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  • Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
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    A city that isn't a city, made by builders who aren't builders, full of humans that aren't quite human. What happened here? And is anybody to blame?
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  • @TheTaleFoundry
    @TheTaleFoundry  Месяц назад +122

    Compare news coverage. Spot media bias. Avoid algorithms. Try Ground News today and get 40% off your subscription by going to: ground.news/talefoundry

    • @user-yv3nt5mu9v54
      @user-yv3nt5mu9v54 Месяц назад +2

      MAN , your videos are masterpeace , can you make videos about Concepts like oblivion , limbo and phantoms ? thank you again for this video

    • @arnijulian6241
      @arnijulian6241 Месяц назад

      Go to eastern Europe or china with commie blocks then you will see a city that is built for nobody.
      If you added the appearance of Megacities like New York, Tokyo, Delhi & shanghai as places that look artificial were no sane person would want to live you get Ex - Log.
      I Life in London that is one of the world 1st great cities as both a metropolis & cosmopolitan city it rather immense to new comers but Mega cities are on a whole other scale with often no greens areas with vast portions that have barely any people with other portions that are so densely populated that no one would want to live in either area of a mega city.
      You have the highest depression, mental illness & self harm rates in megacities as frankly humans are not meant to live like that.
      Many want to make London a mega city or claim it is but it really isn't as we have few high rises but nothing like in USA, China, India's or Japans mega cities for comparison.
      I am genuinely amazed that you have never been to a city as how do you manage that in the 21st century?

    • @KaiserAfini
      @KaiserAfini Месяц назад +1

      Have you considered covering The Void video game ? Its an fascinating existential puzzle. Pathologic 2 might also be worth examining, its rich in metaphor and symbolism, while also having a unique world and interaction with the player.

    • @mykalkelley8315
      @mykalkelley8315 Месяц назад

      Literally was obsessing over this manga the past few days, and then you upload this. What are the odds, lol 😂

    • @fang4223
      @fang4223 Месяц назад

      Ground News is a good step forward,
      but you gotta remember that everyone has a bias, even folks trying to work to cut through it.
      It's worth at least throwing that out there.

  • @NewLayer2Bell
    @NewLayer2Bell Месяц назад +891

    "This is what happens when humanity betrays itself." gold

    • @Ebani
      @Ebani Месяц назад +4

      If they're not human how can they have betrayed humanity?

    • @AnomalousVixel
      @AnomalousVixel Месяц назад +21

      ​@@Ebani Ultimately, all of BLAME! began with a faction creating Silicon Life, a faction setting the Safeguard to exterminate anyone without the Net Terminal Gene, and that first faction unleashing a pathogen that eliminated the Net Terminal Gene from the human genome. This is the betrayal in question.

    • @saint037
      @saint037 Месяц назад

      that was Tale Foundry warning us that he and robots like him will take over because of our own failings

    • @woongah
      @woongah Месяц назад +10

      This is what happens... When an architecture student that can draw people discovers the nature of most of an architect's clients.

    • @LoneTiger
      @LoneTiger Месяц назад +4

      @@woongah
      Architect boss: _"Your designs will never be published."_
      Nihei: _"Hold my beer."_ +Draws "Blame!" manga+

  • @jackmesrel4933
    @jackmesrel4933 Месяц назад +1055

    The moment I saw the thumbnail, I knew it was going to be about Blame, can't wait to leave work so that I can see this video
    (EDIT: I finally saw it, great video as always, and yeah, Blame has become unsettlingly relevant in today's AI emerging age)

    • @31webseries
      @31webseries Месяц назад +10

      Same! Instantly stoked!

    • @red_laurel
      @red_laurel Месяц назад +9

      Same, such an iconic setting

    • @homer3817
      @homer3817 Месяц назад +5

      Same

    • @Leto85
      @Leto85 Месяц назад +2

      It's been two hours. Have you left work yet?

    • @jackmesrel4933
      @jackmesrel4933 Месяц назад +3

      @Leto85 getting home, the moment I have dinner ready I'm watching it XD

  • @NotPork
    @NotPork Месяц назад +634

    The crazy part to remember is; in BLAME!, there are more humans alive than have ever been. By a factor of unimaginable proportion.
    They just can't find each other. They're more than a lifetime's journey away from the next tribe, and unable to venture far from their food source.

    • @y.matocinos8448
      @y.matocinos8448 Месяц назад +166

      In the Space Battle forums, people have even tried throwing different fictional universes and even several Warhammer 40K factions and races to try and control the City. Despite all the absurd coping and calculations, the results are almost always this:
      "Lost, presumed eaten by locals."
      And it is not even a joke. That is the MOST LIKELY OUTCOME.

    • @Pandor18
      @Pandor18 Месяц назад +21

      JFC, I need to read Blame again

    • @emperorgalaxian6573
      @emperorgalaxian6573 Месяц назад +67

      @@y.matocinos8448 So even 40k, THE #1 "Curb-Stomp practically everyone else" series when dropped in discussions...aren't able to conquer the place. Holy Jesus.

    • @y.matocinos8448
      @y.matocinos8448 Месяц назад

      @@emperorgalaxian6573 As quoted by a user when someone asked if a billion Imperium of Man can control the City:
      "To give an idea of the sheer size of the City. The spherical portion stretches out to the orbit of Jupiter, which is 744 million kilometres away from the Sun. This gives it a volume of 1.7e+27 cubic kilometres. If you want a single Guardsman per cubic kilometre, you would need 1.7e+27 Guardsmen. Dividing that by a billion, the Imperium of Man would need to have 1.7e+18 Guardsmen or 1.7 quintillion Guardsmen. I don't think they have that many.
      Besides which, 1 Guardsmen per cubic kilometre is not going to let them win. It's still not enough force concentration to overwhelm the City."
      The funny thing about it is that even if the forums would disregard the ridiculous mass and size of the structure (theoretically the size of Betelgeuse, theoretically the size of Jupiter's orbit, and with some parts theoretically reaching the Oort Cloud), what about the Megastructure?
      Gravitational Beam Emitters are needed to destroy the material in the first place because of the gravity furnaces allowing it to be indestructible without the mass turning into a massive black hole. And if those very gravity furnaces can regenerate on their own, what's not to say the whole City can't regenerate by itself as well?
      And even if you could meet a new person every couple of years, it could either be Safeguards or Silicon Life. Safeguards have GBEs of their own, as well as GBE shields to block said shots. Same goes for Silicon Life, who even have melee GBE weapons that have the same destructive output, like swordwaves.
      And in terms of individual power-scaling, the characters of BLAME! are ABSURD. I won't spoil so much, but Killy's GBE's Level 1 shot has a recorded range of 70 kilometers. We don't know if that's the minimum, the average, or the maximum range. And Killy's fired GBE MAX shots several times, but we are not given any statistics on how destructive that is. We only SEE the results via the illustrations.
      Even if a lot of theory-crafting and implications are needed to wrap our heads around the manga, those theories and implications are terrifying, and no one will understand fully until they read the manga themselves.

    • @HonestDepression101
      @HonestDepression101 Месяц назад +31

      I didn't know that there were more humans in Blame. I only watched the anime tho. That changes things a lot.

  • @approximateCognition
    @approximateCognition Месяц назад +407

    i think the one thing that's been overlooked here is that the city isn't actually *dead*. throughout the manga we're shown cultures of who adapted to the city, organisms who feed on the structures, increasingly more variable builders built by builders built by builders all the way down, like a mutating von neumann cascade. some of the builders we meet are even aware; some builders are people now. it's an ecosystem. and the builders are at the top, while what they build is the raw materials upon which the ecosystem is built. the city isn't "for" anyone anymore. it just is. a big dynamic system with diverging clades and cultures and species, robotic and organic. the city truly became a jungle at last

    • @ARockRaider
      @ARockRaider Месяц назад +47

      I haven't read the manga, But based on what was shown and spoken about in the video, I feel like it was a disservice to the manga to compare it to nuclear weapons and burial sites.
      To me, the foundation sounds like a photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy run through AI A few times tries to build a city and the result slowly gets more corrupted as it continues to grow.
      The idea that the city is more populous than ever actually makes the setting much more intriguing to me then the idea of A simple eldritch city with A handful of people scurrying at the corners.

    • @Bluedragon-iz3oo
      @Bluedragon-iz3oo Месяц назад +9

      So nature, but instead of just plant cells and animals cells, they get metal and plastic as well.

    • @rossbob4215
      @rossbob4215 Месяц назад +1

      Great ending to your comment✨

    • @rossbob4215
      @rossbob4215 Месяц назад +1

      @@Bluedragon-iz3oo at the rate we’re going, soon we’ll have that irl if we don’t already lol

    • @JB52520
      @JB52520 9 дней назад +3

      Also, there's the substrate for the Netsphere. I don't know the story well enough to know what minds it holds, but it's possible that the structure of the city could be more about the Netsphere's computing needs, with any resemblance to human architecture being a vestigial artifact of the building process.

  • @wumbojet
    @wumbojet Месяц назад +314

    The second i saw the thumbnail i immediately thought: "Oh, finally, a Tale Foundry BLAME! video".

  • @epiendless1128
    @epiendless1128 Месяц назад +274

    This reminded me of a 1968 Star Trek comic I had as a child: "Invasion of the City Builders" where the crew find a world covered in unpopulated city. The story has its flaws, but the tale of how aliens automated everything until their machines began to design themselves, resulting in unstoppable city-building machines, sounds rather familiar and ahead of its time.

    • @msmaria5039
      @msmaria5039 Месяц назад +6

      I'm going to find that comic.

    • @JTByrd386
      @JTByrd386 Месяц назад +3

      The algorithm is not new, but it has grown tetrationally.

    • @BaronVonMott
      @BaronVonMott Месяц назад +3

      My grandma actually gave me some old retro comics years ago, and one of them was that Star Trek story! I remember it really made me stop and think about the danger of humanity being so creative and curious, that we might accidentally end up making ourselves obsolete.

    • @handlesshouldntdefaulttonames
      @handlesshouldntdefaulttonames Месяц назад +4

      Blame and the Star trek Comic are both likely to be inspired by E.M Foresters 1909 Short Story "The Machine Stops"

    • @JTByrd386
      @JTByrd386 Месяц назад +2

      @@handlesshouldntdefaulttonames A favorite of mine, and constantly on my mind since the quarantine.

  • @zolden37
    @zolden37 Месяц назад +525

    The title made me think you were going to talk about Construct cancellation order. It’s film about robots trying desperately to build a city dispite the orders being terminated for months. It really dives into the complex ideology of following your instructions to the letter to your and everyone else’s detriment. This city is being built for no one.

    • @mme725
      @mme725 Месяц назад +21

      Never heard of this, but now you gave me something interesting to look into. Thanks!

    • @zolden37
      @zolden37 Месяц назад +9

      @@mme725 Your welcome. Its a really good short film.

    • @chasethemaster3440
      @chasethemaster3440 Месяц назад +3

      Oooo I think I know that nice

    • @tahunuva4254
      @tahunuva4254 Месяц назад +23

      For me it was reminiscent of the Iterators in Rain World. They're not empty (in fact full of evolved and deadly wildlife), but they've got such weird, alien layouts. Sky-high chimneys, ladders too tall for you to climb, industrial architecture with seemingly no purpose... It's definitely not a city built for you.
      Also the 2d medium probably helps.

    • @simonus5039
      @simonus5039 Месяц назад +4

      Sounds like the beginning of Wall-E - a robot desperately trying to build a city long after humanity is gone and all

  • @runningthemeta5570
    @runningthemeta5570 Месяц назад +145

    This series sounds terrifying purely because of the city itself. Like the thing that terrifies me the most is that room the size of one of Jupiter’s rings being where Jupiter used to be.

    • @phftheebonidiot637
      @phftheebonidiot637 Месяц назад +19

      Even tearing all of sols planets down to nothing, thats no where near enough mass to build something so large. Im curious if the story accounts for that in some way. Planning to read it now though.

    • @DarthBiomech
      @DarthBiomech Месяц назад +43

      @@phftheebonidiot637 IIRC there's no direct explanation, but it is suggested that The City uses some lovecraftian clarketech to both not let the city to collapse into a black hole under its own weight (it is estimated that it extends out to the Oort cloud by now and outmasses half the galaxy) and to get all this building material, which also I think implied to be gathered from the _alternative timelines,_ Appertuse Science-style.

    • @boppertron4929
      @boppertron4929 Месяц назад +20

      Holy shit thats a complete nightmare, now I'm more convinced by arguments that the strongest and biggest fictional armies would be unable to conquer this place. Its so big and automated that it undoes any amount of progress, slowly or with abrupt force. I watched the movie on Netflix and felt like I was missing something, now I understand the movie much better.

    • @soundcloudpandapandawa2997
      @soundcloudpandapandawa2997 Месяц назад

      ​@@boppertron4929 do you think it's possible a human in the future is born with the gene to control the city within reason and become immune to the virus that renders this ability mute. Cause supposedly at one point humans were able to control the city but due to a plague it altered humanity's DNA and the city no longer registered them as legal citizens. It became hostile and here we are.

    • @handzze7341
      @handzze7341 Месяц назад +13

      @@DarthBiomech The near a galaxy worth of mass calculation IIRC was if the city was made out of *air.* And the city is most definately not made up of only air. And also I think it only accounted for the layered parts of the city. Which is up to around Jupiter orbit.

  • @DudeInADinoOnesie
    @DudeInADinoOnesie Месяц назад +295

    The parallels of how the AI builders work and how AI works now is shocking. AI can talk to communicate with you, create images, songs, and mimic people’s voice by taking samples of what they’re trying to do and creating a sort of Frankenstein’s monster as a result

    • @addison_v_ertisement1678
      @addison_v_ertisement1678 Месяц назад +4

      You guys are actually comparing this to Frankenstein? Really?

    • @DudeInADinoOnesie
      @DudeInADinoOnesie Месяц назад +7

      @@addison_v_ertisement1678 what’s wrong with that?

    • @benjamindebo9283
      @benjamindebo9283 Месяц назад +43

      Generative AI taking the corpses of stolen art and sewing them together into a new form of soul less art. Naw there's no parallels there, nope, no.

    • @addison_v_ertisement1678
      @addison_v_ertisement1678 Месяц назад +5

      @@DudeInADinoOnesie A song made by AI isn't going to slaughter townsfolk.

    • @DudeInADinoOnesie
      @DudeInADinoOnesie Месяц назад +11

      @@addison_v_ertisement1678 I was saying more like the idea of different parts being put together to make something since I couldn’t think of anything else to connect how AI works

  • @brainflash1
    @brainflash1 Месяц назад +432

    "This is no mine. It's a tomb."

  • @hazrust
    @hazrust Месяц назад +177

    The thing that replicates patterns without any understanding of it is truely terrifying

    • @FormerlyDuck
      @FormerlyDuck Месяц назад +21

      Yeah, it resembles what came before but possesses none of the purpose, and now it lives in an uncanny valley of runaway replication. Eventually, it just starts replicating its earlier replications and it spirals down infinitely into a meaningless distortion that has no humanity to it

    • @tahunuva4254
      @tahunuva4254 Месяц назад +4

      Me watching sports be like:

    • @spacecowboy5486
      @spacecowboy5486 Месяц назад +9

      So AI art?

    • @tahunuva4254
      @tahunuva4254 Месяц назад

      @Cordelia Wagner: yeah, that's another good example

    • @editordimentio
      @editordimentio Месяц назад +6

      That’s just AI

  • @schemingbanana2213
    @schemingbanana2213 Месяц назад +157

    Haven't read Blame but the tower with increasingly abstract architecture and uncanny emptiness remind me a lot of the city from Girl's Last Tour.

    • @FairbrookWingates
      @FairbrookWingates Месяц назад +6

      Oh my, yes! I've only seen the first few episodes. Thank for the reminder to pick it up again!

    • @thebeesknees1162
      @thebeesknees1162 Месяц назад +12

      Girl's Last Tour draws inspiration from Blame and has a lot of little references to it.

  • @davejohansen8603
    @davejohansen8603 Месяц назад +109

    This kinda reminds me of a thought I had about remote controlled aircraft carriers. Imagine how spooky it would be to infiltrate a carrier only to find that there are no doors, windows, or any human-centric interfaces. The formidable ship sending drones that have been wreaking havoc on your country, is in itself completely unmanned. I mean, it certainly makes your job of stopping it a little easier considering you're the only one there, but it would be a strange encounter to be sure.

    • @VidkunQL
      @VidkunQL Месяц назад +25

      Remote-controlled, or autonomous? There would almost certainly be passageways, for robots. Try designing passageways without the usual assumptions such as ventilation, lighting, safety, uniform size... Would there be anti-interloper systems?
      Write it.

    • @wesleystockford2616
      @wesleystockford2616 Месяц назад +9

      Kinda like the multipede weapon platforms in Appleseed, needing to shut down the ai controlling them and bypassing it's defence systems

    • @davejohansen8603
      @davejohansen8603 Месяц назад +14

      @@VidkunQL honestly I was just thinking it works like other military drones. No place for people to really take control on it. Just a bunch of big slabs of metal with a whole lot of electronics and engines inside. But yeah the more I think about it, the more interesting it seems like it could be. I was thinking of writing some scifi for a while. Maybe that's something I can include :D

  • @BiomeWalker
    @BiomeWalker Месяц назад +109

    It's always fun when another media analysis channel decides to do a video on Blame!, you never know what they'll focus on; the expansive architecture, immense implied and experienced time for the characters, foreboding future, character designs, Kili's gun, anything. For such a comparatively short series with so little dialog, it has so much to it.

  • @Blue2x2x
    @Blue2x2x Месяц назад +144

    The city building reminds me of the "Paper Clip" AI theory.
    Where if you teach an AI robots to make paper clips and noting but paper clips. Eventually the robots will run out of steel wire, and will teach itself to use something else to fulfill its programming to make paper clips. First might be garbage and waste, then the iron and steal part of the factory, then any materials around the area, to even people would be turned into paper clips.

    • @BlueSpirit422
      @BlueSpirit422 Месяц назад +5

      The universal paperclip game is soooo good

    • @xyreniaofcthrayn1195
      @xyreniaofcthrayn1195 Месяц назад +4

      It may even cannibalize itself to make more paperclips...

    • @RealCodreX
      @RealCodreX Месяц назад +1

      And how will it teach itsrlf if it never learned to teach itself?
      Theory busted, I would say.

  • @damonhawkes2057
    @damonhawkes2057 Месяц назад +13

    That message goes so hard.
    "We considered ourselves to be a powerful culture.
    This place is not a place of honor.
    No highly esteemed deed is commemorated here.
    Nothing valued is here. This place is best shunned and uninhabited."

  • @AnomalousVixel
    @AnomalousVixel Месяц назад +38

    it's pronounced "blam" - Nihei just didn't know how English works.
    Anyway, the Jovian Void is about halfway from the sun to the surface, according to the infographic floating around, so the City's diameter is around 20.8 AU or 3 billion kilometers.
    The ENTIRE STRUCTURE is a whopping 64 AU.

    • @mrnohax5436
      @mrnohax5436 15 дней назад

      my brain cant brain because of the sheer size of the structure let alone have a whole room where a freaking gas giant use to be

  • @troubledvoidling9741
    @troubledvoidling9741 Месяц назад +33

    Fun fact: (at least as far as I've been able to find) it's supposed to be pronounced like Blam since it's onomatopoeia for the gun noise

  • @arthurhill8185
    @arthurhill8185 Месяц назад +46

    to be honest, I think recommending this series by starting with the backstory kind of undercuts a lot of the power it has. It's so impactful just going on with no idea what's going on and seeing these mysterious structures and wondering how they fit together.

    • @Pandor18
      @Pandor18 Месяц назад +8

      well, then dont do that

  • @Bergensape
    @Bergensape Месяц назад +36

    It reminded me of SCP-184, recommended read (or watch on RUclips), it's basically an artifact that expands space around it, filling it with similar structures and objects, but left uncontained it keeps generating more and more space with objects and structures making less and less sense

    • @y.matocinos8448
      @y.matocinos8448 Месяц назад +17

      Funny thing about it is that it considers EVERYTHING as a room, including the entire universe. This basically leads to SCP-184 becoming one of those potential SCP-001 entries, because its anomalous properties can create the very anomalies the Foundation is trying to contain.

  • @Pandor18
    @Pandor18 Месяц назад +13

    Blame!, Girls' Last Tour, and Yokohama Shopping Log are series that have profoundly impacted me. They masterfully balance a delicate line between despair and iyashikei. In these stories, the scale-whether in terms of time or space-emerges as a protagonist in its own right (special mention to Junk Head)

  • @82dorrin
    @82dorrin Месяц назад +42

    50,000 people used to live here, and now it's a ghost town.

  • @prepthenoodles
    @prepthenoodles Месяц назад +18

    The epitaph for the nuclear wasteland is strongly reminiscent of Shelley's Ozymandias poem:
    I met a traveller from an antique land,
    Who said-“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
    Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,
    Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
    And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
    Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
    Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
    The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;
    And on the pedestal, these words appear:
    My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
    Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
    Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
    Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
    The lone and level sands stretch far away.”

  • @makinshort101
    @makinshort101 Месяц назад +29

    This scenery painted by Blame is so unique and recognisable I really hope other interpretations of this or similar things pop up in other medias

    • @thecyanpanda241
      @thecyanpanda241 Месяц назад

      This concept is definitely going to be a location in a Destiny themed dnd location for my campaign. A massive city that sprawls infinitely into the planet of Venus, with seemingly no creators in sight. It's clearly Vex, but none of them are in sight.

  • @TeeKing
    @TeeKing Месяц назад +19

    "There Will Come Soft Rains" springs to mind. Eerily, it's set in 2026, which sounded like the distant future when I first read it in the mid-60s.

  • @yaomingas5425
    @yaomingas5425 Месяц назад +4

    If you ask me, it is pretty badass to have a solar system sized tomb for humanity

  • @Ciebow
    @Ciebow Месяц назад +10

    The fact that you put this much effort on this video for a manga series that everyone barely know is amazing.

  • @jdpowell6405
    @jdpowell6405 Месяц назад +16

    I read Blame! at a very important time in my creative development. The dense and lonely art impacted me and was a great introduction to Oppressive architecture. (Fun fact ‐ it was not intended to be called "Blame" but "Blam!" and was mistranslated."
    So nice to see this manga getting some attention.

  • @richardconnor2871
    @richardconnor2871 Месяц назад +5

    An anime you might be interested in, is "Girl's Last Tour" which features a pair of girls who are the only humans left in an enormous city, that has been completely abandoned, and left to what automation exists to construct and rebuild it... And, it's implied, they are the last humans anywhere in the world, period. It's just a mood piece, there's not really anything too malicious or thrilling. It just explores the world, and lets you soak it in with our two girls with their somewhat minimal dialogue.

  • @TheFrostedfirefly
    @TheFrostedfirefly Месяц назад +135

    What's wild is, the tech bros will preach about how the AI is "improving", how it's getting better and better, good enough to replace real humans, and to an extent, this is "true", but it fails to account for something...
    Once AI has replaced humans, what do they think AI is going to base it's produce off? AI is only as good as it is due to human input. It isn't *truly* "intelligent, otherwise AI would be the one making suggestions to us, unprompted. The reality of "Blame!" doesn't feel so fictional after all.

    • @tahunuva4254
      @tahunuva4254 Месяц назад +3

      But humans too have to be prompted (birthed) in order to make suggestions.

    • @candlestone5397
      @candlestone5397 Месяц назад +12

      in fairness, all art is based on other things. Thats simply how the human brain works.
      There are no ideas in a vacuum.
      Before a human becomes an artist, they learn through exposure to art, and knowledge about art.
      All Modern art is built upon the art of its predecesors. we look at art, take what we like, and add it to our own.
      The best we can get without doing that, is either Photorealism, or more likely, Stick figures.
      Which are both still based on other things.
      Ever realize that Cave Paintings Look Exactly like Kindergarten Art?

    • @plaidhatter1674
      @plaidhatter1674 Месяц назад +10

      ​​@candlestone5397 It does These things yes, but for what purpose. If left to its own devices without a directive, AI will do diddly squat. It also requires human beings to dictate if what it makes is any good. Its program allows it to replicate patterns, and mimic agency, but without humans to make its first references, it would have nothing. AI lacks agency, and that agency requires true sentience.

    • @candlestone5397
      @candlestone5397 Месяц назад

      @@plaidhatter1674 why do we make art? For a lot of folk its because they are told to, and paid for it.
      who tells a human if their art is any good? Other humans give them validation because without it they might stop altogether.
      What does a brain do if the part of it that wants to create art doesn't do anything?
      All the brain does is replicate patterns.
      We only have as much agency as our brains can comprehend. If you can't imagine it, it can't be done. Period.
      The only thing separating brain from computer aside from what it is made of, is that the brain is more advanced by far.
      And considering how fast we are advancing on that front, it won't be true forever.

    • @TheYeetedMeat
      @TheYeetedMeat Месяц назад +8

      ⁠​⁠@@candlestone5397Yeah, but I'm pretty sure AI art programs (in their current state) can't make value judgements or actually recognise flaws in 'their own' work.

  • @OhhCrapGuy
    @OhhCrapGuy Месяц назад +30

    Just did the back of the envelope math, and... anything spherical with a radius of Jupiter's orbit with approximately half the density of a city *should* exceed its own schwarzschild radius.
    i.e. it would collapse into a black hole instantly.

    • @tforter
      @tforter Месяц назад +2

      I believe they said it was empty

    • @aleksatanaskovic9172
      @aleksatanaskovic9172 Месяц назад +22

      ​@@tforterthe gaping hole where Jupiter used to be is empty. The rest of space in our solar system isn't.

    • @diabeticvodka9312
      @diabeticvodka9312 Месяц назад +26

      It would've collapsed if not for the gravity furnaces which regulates the gravity being produced by the megastructure (countless computer chips stacked on top of each other in higher n-dimensions). Gravity furnaces are the ones responsible for why the the countless layers of the city still feels earth-like gravity.

    • @OhhCrapGuy
      @OhhCrapGuy Месяц назад +24

      @@tforter actually, turns out if you replace the entire solar system with air, that means "get rid of the sun and the planets and fill an entire sphere the radius of the solar system with air", you will still end up with a black hole.
      Fun fact, the Schwarzschild radius of the observable universe is almost exactly the size of the observable universe.
      Another fun fact: The Hubble Constant, representing the red shift of the universe, can be expressed in Hertz, and the wavelength of that frequency is the size of the universe.
      3rd fun fact: both of those are 100% coincidences. 5 billion years ago they weren't close, and in 5 billion years they won't be again.

    • @thepacific2933
      @thepacific2933 Месяц назад +11

      ​@@OhhCrapGuyin reality, yes, in BLAME! theoratical gravity particles, gravitons are proven and is harnessed by technology. The self building city regulates its gravity and does not collapse into a black hole. There is also a possibility that in BLAME gravitons are really weak infinite energy sources, which then can be used to convert into more matter.

  • @TheAstralBlade
    @TheAstralBlade Месяц назад +12

    I had a dream with a somewhat similar setting before - the endless city of pipes and metal and rooms and corridors, with endless pits and strange architecture.... abandoned except for the rotting shells of robots and machines.... and anthro mice people barely surviving on the little scraps of wood and food they could find, but quickly running out. There were also weird chimera owl robot monster things that would chase them and turn them to stone. Wack

  • @Stormbringer178
    @Stormbringer178 Месяц назад +16

    i understood this videos theme from the thumbnail. one of my favourite manga of all time. thanks as usual for your job.

  • @vivekgogate3068
    @vivekgogate3068 Месяц назад +6

    This gives me major Girls last tour vibes. Definitely not similar, but the focus on architecture and how humans destroyed themselves is common in both. Difference being it doesn't have a hopeful ending....

    • @M2607d
      @M2607d Месяц назад

      yepp tkmz did said that Blame! was one of the inspiration

  • @DarthBiomech
    @DarthBiomech Месяц назад +11

    The only thing I'd contest is that Blame is neither dystopian nor oppressive. It's _posthumanist_ to it's deepest core. The City isn't a city anymore, nor is it dead, or a tomb, or a memorial to human hubris or some other vapid thing - it's an ecosystem of proportions that a human mind is just unable to comprehend, self-building for a purposes that just do not include humans in the scope anymore. Characters of the manga take years to walk up a staircase. Centuries to travel to another part of The City. But The City is both empty and bursting with life and activity on an unimaginable scale. The room the size of Jupiter looks incomprehensibly, impossibly vast, but then you need to remember that it in itself is just a tiny, absolutely insignificant part of The City.

  • @alexjohnson6069
    @alexjohnson6069 Месяц назад +3

    "I am ozymandias king of kings.
    Look on my works, ye mighty and despair"

    • @joyous18
      @joyous18 Месяц назад

      I mean, technically, the worksare still there 😂

  • @v.v365
    @v.v365 Месяц назад +2

    The intro reminded me of my thoughts about the design of what we’ve gotten to see of Celestia in the game Genshin Impact, the empty feeling, the strangely crumbling architecture despite supposedly being a sort of Heaven, the fact that we have lore about a bunch of gods above the gods among mortals, but we’ve only seen one character residing in Celestia, the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles, and the question of what exactly is she supposed to be sustaining?

  • @miyawedaplayer1237
    @miyawedaplayer1237 Месяц назад +4

    5:25 my favourite concept idea is the dull block city that is built to allow the wind to create haunting howling sounds throughout

  • @Lumberjack_king
    @Lumberjack_king Месяц назад +13

    0:56 they should really extend Talbots track so he can go places or give him cameras

    • @buckethat7585
      @buckethat7585 Месяц назад +1

      Like a podcaster💀

    • @Lumberjack_king
      @Lumberjack_king Месяц назад

      @@buckethat7585 i mean maybe lol it would be interesting expand the story

  • @Cut_Content
    @Cut_Content Месяц назад +12

    As I'm sure other people have pointed out, it's not "blame" as in _"blaming someone",_ but it's the sound the anti-gravity gun makes when firing
    Also, while indeed not having a direct name, the "city" as you call it, is referred to as the megastructure in the story

  • @InaudibleHippo
    @InaudibleHippo Месяц назад +18

    As soon as I saw the thumbnail I knew "ITS ABOUT BLAME!!!!" ❤❤❤

  • @craz2580
    @craz2580 Месяц назад +2

    The thought of an ever growing building that makes itself like a living being has always been one of my favourite ideas

    • @ravena8408
      @ravena8408 Месяц назад +1

      Check House of Leaves or Piranesi.

  • @johnnydarling8021
    @johnnydarling8021 Месяц назад +6

    *Great video*
    As a long time fan of Blame!, I'm thrilled to see it become the subject of a Tale Foundry video.
    Much better than the Netflix adaptation.

  • @kris1123259
    @kris1123259 Месяц назад +6

    Tsutomu Nihei is a funny author, his first series was huge hit, universally praised, a true manga classic. But everything he has done since has yet to even come close to reach the heights of Blame!. I'd even argue he just keeps getting worse with the years.

    • @jalpat2272
      @jalpat2272 Месяц назад +2

      Sidonia quite decent tho his Post-Post Apocalypse and "Industrial" setting and story are rehashed a lot and obviously feel repetitive but the art always the main course .

  • @ThePumpkinPuffin
    @ThePumpkinPuffin Месяц назад +7

    Someone really needs to take this robot to see a city.

  • @bukichi
    @bukichi 20 дней назад +1

    I love the concept of this manga. there's a phenomenon where the structures just keeps growing by itself and even the most advance AI can't calculate how big it is. And the protagonist have to navigate his way through this endless structures to find the net terminal gene, which will save them from the city. So he passed by many levels of the megastructure, layers upon layers, and each layer is called stratum. There is even one stratum that is as big as the freaking Jupiter!! There's this also one time where they spent at least 1 month in an elevator!
    One of the things that makes this manga unique is the lack of dialogue. We barely see the characters talking and it's more about their journey as they made their way through the megastructure. It allow the readers to immerse themselves deeply into the world of the City. It’s a breath of fresh air because I've read a lot of manga/manhwa that has a lot of dialogue that I had to take breaks from it lol. But here, the pictures do all the talking! We can really feel that the megastructure is vast and gloomy, thanks to our mangaka who graduated from achitecture. I can only imagine being there! Imagine the sounds, the deafening silence, only broken by the humming of machines or the roar of explosions as you wonder around these endless labyrinths and endless hallways for years and years...

  • @BBB_bbb_BBB
    @BBB_bbb_BBB Месяц назад +3

    Highly recommend Knights of Sidonia by the same author. He is able to make the horrifying beautiful, similar to Clive Barker. I also love the story of how he designed the mecha by buying pla-plate and locking himself away as he obsessed over making a model instead of actually working on the manga.

  • @AxelLeJeff
    @AxelLeJeff Месяц назад +2

    To borrow a phrase, it's a paper-clip factory.

  • @somepersonyouhavenoassocia1856
    @somepersonyouhavenoassocia1856 Месяц назад +16

    My brain: Ooh! Naissance!
    Everyone else: BLAME!
    So we basically had the same thing

  • @dbboy2133
    @dbboy2133 Месяц назад +1

    YES! Thank you so much for making a video about this. Blame has so little online coverage. It's insanely underrated.

  • @tomasmiranda8263
    @tomasmiranda8263 Месяц назад +3

    Good to hear that Odysseus got an entire city, even if it does sound uninhabitable

  • @tomaszchudy8503
    @tomaszchudy8503 Месяц назад +2

    Whats crazy is the scale of it like theres an elevator ride that takes 800 hours

  • @cinthiagoch
    @cinthiagoch Месяц назад +2

    At first I thought you were going to talk about "City", a work of art from Michael Heizer. It's an actual city, but empty and with some odd building choices. Less than 500 people are aloud to visit it every year.
    Jacob Geller has a very interesting video about it called "Art for No One". It's not just about City, but it takes up most of the video (that I can remember), and it's what stood out for me the most.

  • @BIacK_JacK_
    @BIacK_JacK_ Месяц назад +15

    NEW TAKE FOUNDRY VIDEO!

  • @joshualin5476
    @joshualin5476 Месяц назад +2

    Blame is a masterpiece. Glad you're covering it!

  • @Omegaroth666
    @Omegaroth666 Месяц назад +7

    "It's wear Jupiter used to be" is likely the confounding and intriguing phrase I've ever heard lolz

  • @amergingiles
    @amergingiles Месяц назад +16

    The Megastructure of BLAME!/BIOMECHA
    Edit: I KNEW IT.
    Edit 2: So, the Megastructure was, at some point, entirely practical. It was, for a whole millenium at least, entirely habitable and designed for logisitcal coherence, but... after such an unbelievable span of time, the building machines responsible for outward expansion themselves have simply gone senile. Years pass with every comic panel, and countless swathes of space are purposed as nuclear reactors, refrigeration, water storage, mining long since defunct, breeding grounds of silicon life and pockets of human civilization. It was not that it wasn't supposed to consume the solar system- the sun became an interior dyson sphere at some point, if it even still burns, but the Builder's memory and logic simply decayed as they ran ceaseless. Humanity did forget about them, but they were doing exactly as were designed. Additionally, the Net Gene is not, anymore, supposed to fix the builders. That ship has sailed by the time of BLAME!. The Net Gene allows transcendence from physicality, it is the only escape from the city and it's brutalist horrors. It is the only place grass still grows.

    • @MTTT1234
      @MTTT1234 Месяц назад +1

      I kinda imaged that the sun is stil burning in the center of the solar system, while the 'city' has become a massive structure surrounding it, like a solid dyson-sphere. And the hollow sphere around the sun is used to collect both the releasing gases and sunlight from the star, converting it to building material (you know, e=mc2), because otherwise, where would the builders at that point even get building material from?

    • @handzze7341
      @handzze7341 Месяц назад

      @@MTTT1234 Nah, the sun cannot possibly provide enough energy and material for the scale that the City operates at. There are running theories that suggest the City get building materials through alternate realities and mines dark matter for energy by using gravity furnaces. Gravity furnaces are also responsible for why the City hasn't collapsed into the biggest black hole the universe has ever seen despite massively outmassing the galaxy that it's currently in.

  • @mevtine
    @mevtine Месяц назад +1

    Talking about a city, you should pay a visit to The City of Project Moon universe. Each district has its own unique singularity, the disease of mind of its citizen, and let's not forget that there's Nothing There!

  • @bbittercoffee
    @bbittercoffee Месяц назад +1

    Reading Blame was the worst mistake I've ever made because when I finished all the chapters (including the spin-off/au ones) I was just left with a Blame sized hole in my chest
    And I don't think there will ever be something that can fill it, short of a new chapter which I don't think will ever come

  • @wyvern5438
    @wyvern5438 Месяц назад +8

    Tale Foundry doing a video on my favorite manga? How?!??

  • @megolson9888
    @megolson9888 Месяц назад +12

    This is the fastest I’ve ever gotten to see a Tale Foundry video. Nicely done and thank you for sharing this with us.

  • @thetravelerofworlds8359
    @thetravelerofworlds8359 Месяц назад +1

    You should look into the game "NaissanceE". It's an exploration based platforming/puzzle game that takes heavy inspiration from the manga "Blame!" as it explores the idea of megastructures that seem to be built for nobody at all, or at least... nobody human.

  • @vee_889
    @vee_889 Месяц назад +2

    I love you tale bot! You always draw attention to the coolest aspects of world building!!

  • @FifthConcerto
    @FifthConcerto Месяц назад +13

    What if ground news goes the way of the city? What if you can't trust it in the end, because it becomes a runaway system, still involving humans, but humans doing an algorithmic dance that no longer has any connection to the original intent of the algorithms?

  • @skedizzle
    @skedizzle 26 дней назад

    The dread of an unstoppable, unkillable, unlimitable movement is what makes it so impressive. When I dread something I fear and respect it. It's horrifying to think about a never-ending building that keeps getting bigger, and you will never see it all in your lifetime and never know just how big it is, that's why I love it. So creepy...

  • @rafnael8807
    @rafnael8807 Месяц назад +3

    It's always a dead giveaway that they're talking about Blame when "large raging abandoned cities that aren't cities and are built by creatures called Builders" are the topic. It's so nice to be able to guess

  • @kmrose4741
    @kmrose4741 Месяц назад +1

    LOVE the long term nuclear waste warning messages. So happy you referenced them!!!

  • @matteste
    @matteste Месяц назад +2

    As you seem to be on a manga binge, might I suggest Girl's Last Tour and its follow up Shimeji Simulation by the author Tsukumizu.
    Both are some rather interesting and quite weird stories. Seems to deal quite a bit with ideas of absurdism.

  • @gandelfdev2556
    @gandelfdev2556 Месяц назад +1

    2 of my favorite youtubers talking about blame … this gotta be a dream

  • @intellectually_lazy
    @intellectually_lazy Месяц назад

    man, i gotta thank you. just the title of this video essay gave me a freakin' sweet idea, and no it's not about an empty city, but it is pretty absurd

  • @RecolitusMorbus
    @RecolitusMorbus Месяц назад

    "What is here is dangerous and repulsive to us" is too alarming, ambiguous, and interesting to be one of them.

  • @denisejeffries2675
    @denisejeffries2675 Месяц назад +3

    Thank you for introducing me to another manga that I did not know about! I am so excited to get a copy of this to read it for myself! I’m curious, is there merchandise with the image of Talebot ? If not, there needs to be!

    • @Juansonos
      @Juansonos Месяц назад

      I not sure of Talebot, but I remember seeing Tailoid (the little guys) keychains available.
      Edit: correcting an auto-correct.

  • @doomrevolver8387
    @doomrevolver8387 Месяц назад +1

    I Can't believe you just made a video about my favourite scifi story. Thank you xD amazing video.

  • @johnathanclayton2887
    @johnathanclayton2887 Месяц назад

    Reminds me of the Solstice-5 short film. Machines keep on building, their purpose forgotten, ambivalent. It's on RUclips, I highly recommend.

  • @marcosantoro7465
    @marcosantoro7465 Месяц назад

    I love Blame! It's always been fascinating to me. And scary. The first time I read a few pages I was so confused by the artstile I felt physically sick, and yet I came back at it times and times again. Great analysis, really!

  • @greenhydra10
    @greenhydra10 Месяц назад +1

    If I had a nickel for every video essayist I watch who made a video talking about this manga in the last week, I'd have two nickels.

  • @ApahtieParty
    @ApahtieParty Месяц назад +5

    Blame! will always be peak 🙏🏽😭

  • @Geebees93
    @Geebees93 Месяц назад +1

    When I saw the art style I was like "No way. Not a chance." Then when I saw the characters I was like "BLAME!?"

  • @newdivide9882
    @newdivide9882 Месяц назад +1

    HOLY CRAP, TALE FOUNDRY IS TALKING ABOUT BLAME. PEAK HAS ENCOUNTERED PEAK

  • @c-dawg98
    @c-dawg98 Месяц назад +2

    Pride comes before the Fall! I guess that could also mean the pedestal of pride humans built will eventually overthrow us.

  • @MixaCatPM
    @MixaCatPM Месяц назад

    I would recommend you to visit another place called The City! It is located in the World of Project Moon and is described throughout 3 video games: Lobotomy Corporation, Library of Ruina and Limbus Company. It is the complete opposite to the City in this video and shows all aspects of Humanity.

  • @BLAZE084
    @BLAZE084 Месяц назад

    It always felt like an upside down Alice in wonderland story. Instead of down, you’re going up the rabbit hole and that’s where things get weirder and weirder.
    It also seems like Nihei was going through a depression and this story is a glimpse into his view of the world as he is going through this mental state. In the right conditions it’s actually infectious and can draw you in and spark your own downward spiral into depression. So be warned if you intend on reading this manga.

  • @AxeMan808
    @AxeMan808 Месяц назад +1

    Nihei is right there top of second tier, reaching for first tier but that's occupied by Shirow, Otomo, Ito, & Hara.
    EDIT: NOiSE and Biomega and Snikt! (a cyberpunk Wolverine story) and Beowulf (a cyberpunk retelling) are really REALLY good too. (it feels like NOiSE and Biomega and Blame! are all more or less the same dimension - or very closely related dimensions).

  • @_altoarcadevere
    @_altoarcadevere Месяц назад

    OH MY GOD I DIDNT KNOW YOU MADE A VIDEO FOR MY ALL TIME FAVE MANGA THANK YOU! I LOVE BLAME SO MUCH

  • @ZephyrusAsmodeus
    @ZephyrusAsmodeus Месяц назад

    "Such gnats do not seem to notice they are buzzing on the brink of the abyss"
    -Marguerite Yourcenar, "The Dark Brain of Piraseni"

  • @Fallkhar
    @Fallkhar Месяц назад

    Tsutomu Nihei is such a brilliant artist. I am so glad I found out about him.

  • @watcher313
    @watcher313 Месяц назад +3

    What makes this story very sad is that the three parties know that they are in a perpetual stalemate. The humans know they have lost so much but they can't reclaim it due to need to just survive. The Silicons know the fear of what would happen if the humans ever reclaimed what they lost, so have dedicated to a war that will never end. And saddest of all the city and what it knows, it knows all, it knows of its own compulsions. To build, to maintain, to consume, to kill, to watch as any and all hope slowly die and to being a city for nobody.

  • @sredacted1647
    @sredacted1647 Месяц назад

    In regards to long-term nuclear warning messages, Emil Kowalski had the best opinion on this. Put nuclear waste in hard to reach places, and nobody will be able to get at it who hasn't also developed geiger counters.

  • @calebmaples7068
    @calebmaples7068 Месяц назад

    I’m glad blame is getting more recognition

  • @x1viper392
    @x1viper392 Месяц назад +1

    Fun fact: BLAME is a tv series set in Knights of sidonia. Fun Easter egg

  • @chrissbasement169
    @chrissbasement169 Месяц назад +2

    Hehe i knew it from the title
    Glad to see Blame get more recognition
    Its not obscure but man
    Its not as popular as it should be

  • @HQMan2008
    @HQMan2008 Месяц назад

    I love BLAME! and all other works by Tsutomu Nihei. They are haunting, beautifully dark and cryptic.

  • @__nog642
    @__nog642 Месяц назад

    yoooo, in the first minute or so of the video I was like 'wow this sounds a lot like BLAME, it'll probably be cool'
    I want to read the BLAME manga but I haven't, since I'm not used to reading manga and haven't found time. I first found it through the 2017 movie. The setting was pretty captivating. In particular there is a scene where some people venture out from their village and finally get access to a 3D printing facility, like a star trek replicator type thing. Then in like 10 seconds they generate enough food to feed the village for centuries (or more), and they can only take what they can carry which is almost none of it. The treatment of technological infrastructure as something everyday people can't control and almost see as part of the world, but the fact that it was in fact created by people and can be controlled, is a really cool concept. I think of that movie sort of as the most cyberpunk piece of media I've ever seen.
    This channel does a great job exploring the settings / world building of many pieces of media, and BLAME has particularly left an impression on me in that way, so this video seems perfect

  • @MegaHighmax
    @MegaHighmax 12 дней назад

    DoroHeDoro anime made a job so damn well done in creating a really amazing cityscape, you should watch it just for the architecture they created, it feels extreme but at the same time it feels like something that could actually exist in real life

  • @Tinkerer_Red
    @Tinkerer_Red Месяц назад

    congrats on 1 million team, you really deserved it.

  • @TheOnlyGuermo
    @TheOnlyGuermo Месяц назад

    I love being engage in a contolplativ analysis of the past, present and future of humanities mistakes and if we are doomed to destroy ourselves when a commercial for Airbnb interrupts it.

  • @richarddeese1087
    @richarddeese1087 Месяц назад +1

    Thanks. BTW: beautiful intro music. Top shelf! Worthy of a favorite movie or TV show. tavi.

  • @khanes5376
    @khanes5376 Месяц назад +1

    Never heard of this sadly, but looks awesome, might check it out! Also, this reminds me of the Submachine flash game series.

  • @benjii_boi
    @benjii_boi Месяц назад

    BLAME! has been one of my favourite sci-fi stories across any media so it's great to see you cover it here
    Top 10 anime crossovers in history
    The movie adaptation of the manga is phenomenal. Btw according to the author it's pronounced more like "blam" than "blame" :)