REDRAFTING THE LAST 8 NHL TOP 5 PICKS | BarDown Podcast
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- Corwin, Jesse are joined by special guests Poc and Julia to discuss some of the most recent NHL drafts, how they have shaped the landscape of the current NHL and how each draft could have changed with hindsight.
The fact that Dallas got Robertson, Heiskanen, and Oettinger in the same draft is insane
might be the best draft class for one team ever
True. Let's see if they can win a cup with them.
@@obscurereference6298up there with 1989 red wings draft class
Thomas Harley, Wyatt Johnston, Logan Stankoven, and Mavrik Bourque are all looking like steals too. Excellent drafting by Jim Nill over the last several years.
no arguments here @@mchaseross13
Brady Tkachuk over Quinn Hughes was absolutely insane by Julia lol
Putting him over either of Hughes or Dahlin is insane to me.
I'm so tired of how overrated B Tkachuk is. He's a very good player but some people think he's so much better than he is I don't get it
as a sens fan hes actually really good for the type of player he is
@@olivierpeartnoy
Brady is a better hockey player, better for the team than any other player on that list. Easily the most important to a team. It’s a Torontonian answer to want Quinn over Brady, so I understand where that thought comes from. But yeah Quinn is having a great start to the season. Re-draft, Brady is the answer.
@@Sens8909 See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Tkachuk is a great player but picking him over Hughes or Dahlin is mind-boggling to me
I just think Jesper Bratt at least should have been mentioned for the 2016 redraft, my man was originally chosen as the 162nd pick and is definately one in the top 10 of that draft
That’s what I was sayin. Can not believe he didn’t get the riser nod
He should have been the top riser for sure, I was going to ask why he wasn't mentioned
Ikr, rn he’s a first round player
Why was Quinn Hughes being one such a debate? Dude is clearly the best in his class.
They are a toronto media company, they rarely watch anything out west
@LETZGONHLdraftyeah but his team might not make the playoffs so until they’re clearly in or it’s at the end of the season and people are taking a look at his stats he won’t get enough votes
@LETZGONHLdraft
Quinn Hughes is on pace for:
30-93-123 Points
I won't even mention the others.
These guys originally had the Canucks pick Keller over Fox. They just didn't put much thought into the Canucks
@LETZGONHLdraft He is on the same team he was on last year, except he has a top 4 d partner now and is the Captain.
He actually lost a 40 goal scorer in Bo horvat as well, he is the best player on his team that is doing amazing right now.
He is making records that no dmen since Orr and al macinnis have. That isn't because the Canucks are decent. He was the leading Hart candidate for like a month this season as well.
julia: (proceeds to list every single qualifier to be a franchise cornerstone when describing quinn hughes)
also julia: "i just think tkachuk is that guy you build a team around cuz he just feeeels like a captain"
Sorry you can’t admit she’s right
@@Mediumreginald Hughes is the leading hart and Norris trophy candidate rn and tkachuk hasn't even passed 90 points and isn't even the best player on his own team
sorry that you're delusional
@Tedmetal666 facts and emotions can all be right lol😅
I kinda agree with her tbh. If you’re building a Stanley cup caliber team, Brady makes a lot of sense
@@Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa369 bro the senators have never made the playoffs with brady, at least quinn has had a run
In Quinn Hughes first two years he was already breaking records on a bad team, and he continues to make new ones VS Powers, hard to image he'll be better than Hughes in his peek
The chaos without DZ there to herd these cats is PALPABLE
What a surprise, no Jake Ottinger for the 2017 draft for Corwin lmao
Robertson ahead of Heiskanen is crazy. Brady Tkachuk over Quinn Hughes is insanity! Wouldn't have Brady in my top 3
THIS
Good job on the consistency folks! I'm proud of you guys.
Also, Corwin: "What is a defenseman but a Goalie with a different stick?"
Brady tkachuk over dahlin and Hughes is laughable
no it's just sad.
As well as over Svech. Honestly I think he’s 5 imo.
Canucks players always disrespected on the pod. Give me Quinn Hughes over Brady tkatchuk every god damn day what the hell is that take
damn, big diss to hischier. Hes a cornerstone. two way complete player.
2016 biggest riser HAS TO BE Jesper Bratt
He went in the 6th rd!!!
McTavish getting disrespected here hes so good shouldve stayed 3rd to Anaheim at least imo
Nah bro what are you talking about? Obviously a goalie who's never played a game in the show is a much better pick.
Good defensemen are way more important now than ever especially with the speed and skill of todays game.... they are like point guards on basketball teams. They drive every play and put up the most minutes on each team. Teams can have amazing forwards and still lose games. It's hard to beat teams with amazing defensemen.
As a Canucks fan 2016 draft was rough, I would’ve loved McAvoy on the team. 2017 & 2018 draft though, we struck gold. The Quinn Hughes disrespect is kind of crazy, but it’s your redraft so I’m not going to judge.
Seriously disrespecting Raymond.....
Slafkovský is now almost point per game last 20 games, oh how wrong you were about him love it! Shame on you all who was throwing on him.
What about Jake Oettinger for 2017?? I think he’s more impactful than Hischier at that #5 spot. That would also be cool cause then it’s three stars players that would crack the top 5 and imagine if it happened; the Canucks would have Demko and Oettinger 👀 nasty
When even 5-8 years later we can't get a real consensus on those top 5 lists from passionate fans, imagine how hard it is to rank them when they are 18 years old. Drafts are something else but that's why I'm enjoying them so much.
Swayman and Oettinger not at least being mentioned is criminal. No goalie love
So you admit that Quinn Hughes is probably the best player in the league at the moment, but you'll take the 70 point winger instead because you just like his vibes better?
Quinn Hughes isn't even the best player on his team homie
@@shoeboxbistro and who would that be?
1 month later, Slafkovsky keeps showing that your evaluation is so damn off, love it! xD Also Nemec killing it for Devils, what the hell is Jesse on, clueless opinions xDD
He has 7 goals in 49 games played lol I swear mtl fans think their players are god tier
@@bug0811 he's 19 lol, and his first full season 😄 seen Dubois's stats? Or do you expect 19 y.o. kid to slap in 30 goals on his first season?
@@jan_hamara your original point was that the evaluation is off, mintyukov has almost the same amount of points as Juraj in 9 less games played as a D on a worse team than mtl. Cooley has more points in less games than juraj.
@@bug0811 and evaluation was indeed off lol
And the Devils are terrible right now with Jack Hughes out and Nemec is still catching up to Mintyukov in points with less games played.
so disappointed in you corwin. no team should be disappointed in getting Nico. Selke nominee last year, captain, reliable, the best guy all around.
Right! Elite 2 way player who can get 80 points a season (I think more)
How are you going to be disappointed
Brady over Quinn is one hot the hottest and worst takes ever in these podcasts!
The Wild have been really good at drafting which is great news since we haven't won a game in three weeks
The Wild would be better at Drafting if our former coach had actually used our top draft picks actively. Best players this year so far have been young players with the exception of Kap and Boldy.
Slaf kind of proving them wrong rn
This hilarious hate train for Slafkovsky needs to stop
Yeah, really not understanding it. He's been getting better and better, especially this season. Really playing with more confidence and physicality. Good head on his shoulders as well. People are clearly not paying attention to the little things he does well.
Was really hoping to see Axel Sandin-Pellikka as a riser in that final draft class. Dude is on pace for an all time great SHL season for a Dman, but I cant blame them for not having eyes on that league.
him and perreult were def my picks for riser
2017, Jake Oettinger isn’t even an honourable mention 👀
17:43 The discussion between Julia and Jesse about Tkachuk vs Hughes was amazing.
How someone can take Brady over Quinn and Dahlin is just crazy
@@Cedisdeadi'd even argue svech over brady lol
love corwin but couldn’t be more wrong on the scorers>#1 defensemen take, anyone can score goals not everyone can be that defensemen that controls the blue line and the d zone
Anyone taking Brady in the top 2 is insane. Dahlin and Quinn are the top 2 easy and it’s not close. Tkachuk is heavily overrated by the Canadian market.
Maybe Hughes has Captain Serious vibes on the team, as a Canucks fan I understand why he's captain and its good Petty didn't get the C given his contract holdout. JT is a bit too emotional for the C as well so really only Hughes is left.
morons: Brady is a good captain because he's emotional
also morons: JT cant be a captain because he's too emotional
.... morons
Raymond has started the season a bit slow while Larkin and Cat were lighting it up, but ever since Cat cooled off, he's been the main offensive weapon for the team along with Larkin. Last year he had his sophomore slump but honestly I think this year he'll have a 65+ point season and he's not even playing PP1 most of the time.
Jessy talking down on slaf ,bet you are eating your socks now seeing him explode offensively lol
I don't even think Ottawa fans would pick Brady Tkachuk over Quinn Hughes....
Forget JUST this year. Hughes was first overall as of last year, you east coasters just havent seen it till now. Hes RIDICULOUS.
That entire 2016 top 5 re-draft is American - unreal class
Hello these people are just pod caster not real nhl experts.
I feel for poc 😂 these leafs & jets fans ripping on your team constantly with you having no backup… its vicious these days for habs fans LOL
Update: felt bad until you agreed that Tkachuk was a good choice for 1st overall on Julia’s list 😂 another delusional habs fan 😉
It's scary as a penguins fan realizing we haven't gotten many early draft selections and we are gonna be rebuilding in the coming years
It's not that scary. It's fun when you start hitting on new players and they start developing chemistry.
Penguins should have tanked for a year just to get a top prospect. Gonna need a Blackhawks level tank after syd goes
why tf is it scary? there's like 8 teams with cups the last 20 years and you have 3.
I think the 3 cups and watching Crosby, Malkin, and letang on your favorite team should hold you over for a while
20:56 Durzi was in the Muzzin trade. Trevor Moore was the return for Campbell.
Considering Tkachuk or Dahlin over Quinn Hughes exemplifies the superficial understanding this panel has of hockey at the most fundamental level.
Kaiden Guhle is severely underrated.
He needs pp time
Which shouldn't be hard to do. Just take anderson out of pp1.
Just do 3 forward and 2 d.
Toronto media talking about the Habs is so mind boggling, it's hard to watch
honestly i really like corwin, but with that said, he makes some of the dumbest takes in my opinion.
lol the Slafkovsky takes are aging poorly already
Hughes it up, all the Hughes’ bros be picked in the first round top 10, and we got Nico in here to
Corwin you are a casual for picking Raymond at 5. I hope you read this
For real, Raymond is more capable all around player every day and is scoring more right now too.
How the fuck is Savoie ahead of Jiricek or Nemec xD
Of course the east coast kids choose Brady over Quinn. I doubt they even watch Canuck games
Jesse has to re do the 2021 draft. In what world does mason Mctavish drop with the year he’s having
Where does Jesper Bratt get drafted in that 2016 redraft?
Good player. Not better than Matthews, Tkachuk, Fox, Mcavoy, Thompson
Tbh I think jesper bratt should have been in at least the top 10. Devils got the biggest steal of the draft
For me only Raymond and Stutzle would make the top 5 that were originally in the top 5. I think Perfetti, Lundell, Mercer, and Jarvis have been better than the other players in the top 5.
as a Sens fan… Sanderson is more valuable than stutzle and should of gone #1. Points are great but Sanderson is f-ing near flawless and he’s played 1 year.
id have brady 3 behind hughes & dahlin
The absolute Heiskanen disrespect
Dude he’s really good but Makar, Pettersson, Robertson, and Oettinger were also taken in that draft
@LETZGONHLdraft Pettersson, easily. Deal with it.
@LETZGONHLdraft Pettersson
@LETZGONHLdraft Pettersson is on pace for 30+goals and 100+points and will probably get selke votes this season
@LETZGONHLdraft Pettersson is in a slump right now and still producing at a point per game pace Heiskanen is playing at his best
Still can’t get over the red wings taking Zadina over Hughes
You guys are underrating nico hieshier he is one of those players that might not look amazing on stat sheets but when you see him live he blows you away
Lucas Raymond is looking like a much more complete player than Stutzle after this year. Guy put on some lbs and got stronger and then executed like he said he would, dude was a dog on the ice all year people just talk about points which he also has but that part of his game isn’t really quantifiable, even though it adds so much to a players game and their value on a team
The fact that every highlight is a play against the red wings shows the red wings hate
Julia you think it harder to find a scorer than a guy you can trust on the blueline....
Brady Tkatchuk over QUINN HUGHES ALL DAY BABYYYYYY. jesus ,woman....
Brady Tkachuk I’ve Quinn Hughes is one of the WORST takes I’ve ever seen
is it just me or does it feel like all of these highlights are dunking on the Wings?
Agree what Jesse says about Quinn Hughes.
dahlin would have been better off if he also waited for his NHL debut.. like hughes, heiskanen and makar. but brady tkachuk first overall? i get quinn hughes first overall. and dahlin and brady can fight for second.
Already didn't age well with slaf ahaha!
Robertson over Heiskenan is crazy talk
Devils fan here. I’d rather have Hischier than Makar. Not arguing who is better but Nico is our captain and our heart and soul. Keep Makar avs
Lucas Raymond should probably be third in the 2020 class, and sandin pelikka will be a riser in a few years
Lmfaoooo just goes to show, Quinn Hughes can literally lead the league in points as a dman and captain a team from the basement to the top, and he'll still get passed over for a winger who's well below a ppg on a middling-bad team. 😂😂 That's fine, keep sleeping, that's how we got him at 7 so all I can say is thank you. ❤
Why not talk about how bad the leafs are and how they look like another first round exit.
corwin trying to leave out Raymond, a calder finalist, is absolutely crazy
As yes, the greatest achievement a player can earn, Calder finalist lol. You realize how many nobodies where Calder finalists lol
Raymond wasn’t even a Calder finalist
Jesper Bratt 2016? 6th round Pick
was just about to type that comment!
Michkov talent is undeniable but you never know if he'll even make his way to the NHL due to Russia war
Byfield over the rest of the list and perfetti is a sickness
For anyone to put Brady over Quinn is absurd. Coming from a Calgary fan
these guys are horrible
Where is the love for Zach Benson in the 2023 draft, he's got NHL games under his belt and is looking decent so far as an 18 year old
2018 Brady is #1 no question, also the reason the Sens haven’t taken the next step is because they still have DJ smith as head coach!!! Fire DJ already OMG😭😭
As a jets fan I’m crying we could have got thackuk
I dont disagree with having the hard nose dman in the playoffs but Mintyukov is 100% not that player lol. Hes a forward on the backend
The GM for the Wild should be screaming at himself, he created the most dead cap space I’ve ever seen
quinn hughes is the undisputed 1st overall pick in 2018...
Nemec just played his first game, you guys can fix your top 5 for 2022 now 😉
wouldn't be a bardown podcast without corwin dropping some horrible takes. clearly unfazed by how "samsonov is similar to oettinger" has aged only a short period later, he drops "defensemen 4-24 are basically all the same"
I can't think of any way i'd ever consider Brady over Quinn especially after this season
Quinn over Brady for me at least until we see how they do in the playoffs the Canucks are doing well because everyone has bought into Tocchets system as well as good luck maybe some it to due with Quinn Hughes but idk Sens still have 3 clowns on the bench but Quinn Hughes is better than Brady at this point in time and Dahlin clears both
Are you saying Dahlin is better than Hughes?
@tommyjack6425 If it wasn't for Hughes small sample size this year for sure I'd take Dahlin but they are pretty close rn because Hughes has the C ID probably take him but it's pretty tough to choose all 3 of these players are really good in different ways
@eliaminator2313 Quinn has always used his stick handling and skating for his defense. He lacks the big body obviously. But he makes up for it with his bag of skill.
@@Chewatdachewy ya Quinn is very underrated defensively
I think Brandt Clarke will break the top 3 in 2 years
I agree. He hasn't had nearly enough time in the NHL, as is the case for most 2021 draftees. LA is just too deep right now for him.
Bouchard disrespect is crazy
If Tkachuk left Calgary theres zero chance he was staying in Winnipeg
Winnipeg could've won a cup in 2018 or 2019 with Chuck.
@@LukaDialogueI dont think so. Tkachuk was a 60-70 point player then and Vegas beat them in 5. I dont think that puts them over the top
The yegor being terrible comments aged well lmao
How did noone bring up Lundell for 2020?
Tough one for Finnish players 😅 Maccelli was only one that got uplift, others went down
yup that 2016 youth world championship really pumped them up so high on the draft
Raymond had career numbers this year :)
The disrespect to dahlin wow
Dropping McTavish is disrespectful af. At the very worst he stays at 3
mctavish #1
So Michkov is ripping up the KHL with 26 points. I feel like it should be said that Jordan Weal has 44.
Tkachuk over Hughes??!?!!? What?! How?