And apart from it not beeing fun to use it doesn’t even work as well as it used to. Sometimes I put temp low with ac and I’ll get hot air for a while and suddenly I start to get cold air. I mean the AC works it’s just it seems like the input doesn’t get through fast.
I drive the 2024 Crosstrek 2.5L boxer 182hp Limited model and I love it. Some people complain about lack of Subaru power, but my Crosstrek doesn't feel that way. Here in Canada, we get the Japanese Crosstreks, and the fit and finish is excellent. A hybrid would be a great thing but if they take out the spare tire it would be so annoying. The gas Crosstrek gets pretty good fuel economy compared to other compact gas SUVs, but hybrid will depend on price and availability. I hope it's another success!
I find the CVT makes them feel less powerful. Also, the increased weight muted the slight increase in power. However, they will still do over 200 km per hour. I feel people are just too lazy to rev things and expect to have some diesel-like powerband as if they're driving around like some useless fat person melted into the seat.
@@060racing8 The CV transmission is used because it weighs less than an automatic. I think my Legacy performs just fine. I retired my 2002 Altima 3.5 L . In its youth it would take just about all that was running then. Traction in rain and snow is obviously superior .
gas subarus are extinct in europe or will be in 2025 we only have the awful e-boxer which crippled their sales a few customers got owned by it word of mouth finished the brand their sales fell from a cliff, to cite my comments above it pollutes more and has like 10% better mpg than my 2.3l 350hp awd focus rs which in europe means a subaru forester owner is going to pay more "green taxes" than my 0-60 4.5s rally inspired car while a rav 4 owner will pay less than 1/3 of my taxes
@@060racing8 it's normal as CVT only accelerate up to an ideal rpm and then it's the gearing that changes now whether we like it or not unless the zero emission mandates fall it's the future for all brands as it's more efficient, the old way of engines to work through the rpms really isn't it works fine going full throttle but in real driving you're constantly out of the ideal air/fuel ratio thus the CVT with it's weird acceleration
I had a 2017 Outback which I thought was one of the best cars that I ever owned. In the past I’ve had the LS430 and the Tesla S. I really wanted a new Subaru with better fuel economy. There was nothing on the horizon so I bought a Toyota Venza LE. . I’m just blown away at how good the Venza LE is. I’ve got a 2024 RAV4 XLE loaner for some service work and I feel the Venza is quite a bit better.
I’m a big fan of Toyotas E-AWD. It’s interesting how Subaru will stick with mechanical AWD system. The decision stays true to heart of the old Fuji Heavy Industries. Good for them to honor their heritage.
I have a 2024 outback XT and I love it. What I really like is the drivetrain to me it feels like kinda like a cat climbing a tree just hold the road so well. I also have a RAV4 hybrid and I love you for different reasons. I like the fuel economy and gets pretty peppy when I need it. For me, the best of both worlds would be an outback maybe with the turbo but definitely in a hybrid configuration. They’ve got to improve the mileage factor and range. If they get it right, I think they’ll sell a ton of them.
I visited the Subaru Japan website (and translated to English). Looks like they’re already taking preorders for the Crosstrek Strong Hybrid. Hope we get them in North America.
I own a Solterra and absolutely love it. I drive in the city a fair amount, but also long distance and it has been fantastic. I would also love to see another Crosstrek Plugin Hybrid with Subaru's new Hybrid tech. I owned the 2019 version of the Crosstrek Plugin Hybrid for a few years and it was truly nice, but its range was just too little.
The Soltera is a nice entry level EV although the price won't reflect that unless you are leasing. At least it has the appropriate amount of black cladding on the exterior befitting the Subaru image.
@@sparklander It is a lot better than reviewers make it out to be. I see terms like "entry level EV" and "terrible range" floating around everywhere, but none of these people own the Solterra long term. I drive a lot of kilometers in city and have to drive long distance on highways weekly through all sorts of harsh weather and this vehicle has been phenomenal so far. I have at home charging, which makes a big difference for any EV owner, so that does make things a lot easier for me. I also have charging options at work. Honestly though, I have over 700 km's a week just from the weekly highway trips and I have not changed my driving habits in any way from my previous full petrol and hybrid Crosstreks. I still stop for 45 minutes to an hour at least once during long hauls (from Montreal to Toronto or Gatineau to Toronto) to eat and relax and this is more than enough time to get back up to 80-90% charge with fast charging. I have only been able to do light off roading so far, but I will push it more when I get some decent time off. It handles incredibly well in everything and is quite enjoyable to drive. I love the safety features and have to praise the lane centering when I have needed it. The Toyota / Subaru safety systems have held up even in torrential downpours and high wind storm conditions. The cargo capacity inside and on the roof allow me to always have room for my tools, camera gear, bikes. snowboards and kayaks while still having plenty of space for luggage and my partner's gear. There are also some amazing purchase and lease deals up here in Québec currently. Though I will say that the biggest complaint that I had about the Solterra was the high price. We stiil get incredible subsidies from the Provincial and Federal governments right now, along with the 5,000 manufacturer rebate so we likely have better purchasing options than many other locations. Basically I just wanted to get some positive facts out there from someone who owns and uses the Solterra for everything that it is capable of doing, though I do need to get her out caving with me on some of those forest roads when I get the next opportunity ;)
It’s the only model sold at the dealership right now in France, I mean it’s the only way to get competitive here in EU… everything’s coming are far far away and will be out dated at the release. Maybe for the US or Swiss but the competition is really high. But from what I remember they must launch futur EV models as well… It’s really sad because I like boxer engine for a while but a Solterra is getting me more excited right now, just realistic.
We have its sibling, the Bz4x, despite the very negative biased press reviews, we think it is a good bev.....comfortable, good warranty and for us good range, no problems at all. It is almost as efficiënt as a model y Tesla....we have several Bev's in our businessfleet and even the hard core Tesla users like the Bz4x.....
I had signed up for one when it was announced but ended up getting a model Y due to delays. Loved the naming philosophy and knew it would be a sleeper hit. After owning a Tesla, I’m will remain a Japanese car fan.
I lost patience early 23 and got an Outback Limited 2.5L in Dark Mahogany Pearl.. Really like my car! I probably won't trade up unless there is a Hybrid Outback with significant fuel savings and a tweak to the center screen to make it a little more responsive. An E-CVT might convince me, too. I miss my Toyota planetary gear set.
The expected fuel economy is about 19km/L, so it's not particularly good, but because the tank volume has been increased, it can run 1000km on one tank. There's no doubt that it will be the main engine for the Japanese Forester to be released next year. After that, I hope it will be rolled out to the LEVORG and LAYBACK as well.
I must be really lucky. No CVT complaints, not burning any oil. And that’s with 5 Subie cars in last 8 years. Love them. Will buy a hybrid after it is out for a couple of years.
Crosstrek hybrid would be perfect for me. It’s a bad move that Subaru wants to wait to bring a hybrid to America with the forester when the Crosstrek hybrid is about to be available in USA. It should be the first one brought to America .
One of the most exciting things is that they are keeping the big gas tank. Most hybrids have to sacrifice tank size for battery space. I'm hoping the hybrids are good ask there standard engines get good gas millage and distance to empty but improving that while upping the power would be a big selling combo. Hopefully it'll cost an arm and a leg too....
If you look in the engine bay of the WRX, Forester or Crosstrek, there is a heap of room behind the boxer engine, plenty of room for the electric motor. Losing a slight amount of trunk space for the battery, and this works really well. The Crosstrek could be a far, far, far better seller if it had more power. Most don't need a hot rod version(it would be nice!) just make it a decent, competitive 7.0 0-60 for safety.
Isn't the current Forester rated at 33mpg on the highway? If the hybrid only get 35 mpg, and is same or slower than the current Forester, it's a total fail.
Do you know if the hybrids are going to use toyota’s planetary gear based CVT, like the previous crosstrek hybrid, and NOT the chain belt based CVT that is in the rest of the subaru lineup? That would be awesome!
An option to opt out the the Infotainment System is what I am looking for. I do not want this potential complication or distraction in my Vehicle. I work in IT. I spend most of my day looking at a Screen. I do not want to be greeted with a Screen when I get into my Vehicle. I need a Screen Break. Also, A Ignition Key, Physical Parking Break not a electronic button, a Engine Oil Dip Stick, Physical Buttons for the Controls are things I am looking for. Less Complicated, Lighter Weight, Simpler more reliable Vehicle Design is what I want.
@@avdp9095 But it’s not. I do all my own service work. Look under the hood of a three year old Subaru. Almost every fastener has a mild coating of rust. The fasteners on my Toyotas look new, phosphate or cadmium plated everything.
I like the 2025 Forester but i wish it had more horsepower like a turbo which they had in the older models. And like the other person stated, some HVAC buttons.
Nice analysis. Any tight city environment is kinda rough with the naturally aspirated engine and slushbox CVT. It can sound and feel so terrible, but then other times it does precisely what you want it to do, which is weird. Add in the auto start/stop and you are sometimes pausing right as you try to take a left turn in front of traffic..that is a huge safety hazard. Even the turbo charged Subarus can feel annoying/pokey off the line with turbo lag and jerky and unpredictable fake shifts. I believe the main issue with the Subarus driving-wise having driven a Legacy, 2 Ascents (turbo charged) and an Outback in the last 10 years as many have said is the CVT transmission. It's as if Subaru pre-purchased like 10 million of these CVT setups in 2011 and need to burn them all off before they upgrade the thing! The 2025 drives exactly like the 2015 model! They need to upgrade or change this thing, either mild hybrid to more of an eCVT thing, full hybrid with eCVT or complete overhaul with a regular auto transmission. The CVT might save you some gas on the highway (maybe) but really doesn't around town. If you can average better than 20 mpgs with a 2.5 naturally aspirated Outback in the winter in city driving, you are hypermiling and on incredibly flat terrain.
We had an outback for 10 years and 160k. Loved it. Very comfortable and very reliable. Since we've had hybrids with the Camry as our current car. Subaru is behind the ball and needs to go hybrid much faster or they'll miss out.
I have a 24 Crosstrek Sport and did 500 miles on a tank. Range isn't a problem and power isn't a problem with the 2.5 unless maybe you live at higher altitudes. I did months of research before I wrote a check and this Subaru is a fantastic vehicle especially for the money. The hybrid option can't hurt if it's done right.
I daily drive a 2013 Subaru legacy 3.6 R limited. I’ve got about 150,000 miles on the car and my commute is 20 minutes to work on the freeway and I average about 25 to 27 miles a gallon now I stay on top of my maintenance and run synthetic fluid but you can get decent fuel economy out of a Subaru I mean I have the biggest engine they produced!
Kirk, It's about time Subaru got back in the hybrid game. Having said that, the closer I look at hybrids offered by other brands, the better Toyota Hybrids look. 🤩
Having owned a Toyota (Lexus) hybrid myself, I agree they are incredibly smooth and reliable. I will say, however, that their preferred method of creating a 4WD/AWD hybrid is to use and electric motor on the rear axle. The problem with this is that the rear motor is not really powerful enough to be a huge help for off road and/or deep snow. From my perspective, it is not really in keeping with Subaru’s go-anywhere persona. Now, if they can keep the fully mechanical 4WD system and add the efficiency and torque of the hybrid, then they are onto something. We will see.
Honestly seems like a mistake to make a Forester hybrid for the States first before just bringing the Crosstrek Hybrid over here. The market is way bigger for a Crosstrek Hybrid as there's zero chance of me getting a Forester hybrid but the Crosstrek Hybrid is right up my alley
@@danguelph2676 Look up "Subaru Forester Sales Drop 12% While Crosstrek Soars 47% In August." There's a reason why the Crosstrek is their best seller. It works for more people. I don't need a huge clunky looking Forester.
Kirk we ordered a Corolla Cross Hybrid here in Canada in August 2023. We were told 8 months. This is almost 15 months later and we still don’t have it. Not very happy 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
You're right. A few words would have been nice, but I think the main reason is that there is just no news about them. Hybrid Outbacks are further in the future, at best!
It would be awesome to see Subaru build a hybrid Impreza. Something comparable to the new Civic hybrid. You get a hatchback, Symmetrical AWD, and 200 or more horsepower and 200 or more torque. 0-60 in about 6 to 6.5 seconds and 50mpgs. That would be a fun car to drive. I would pre-order one today. Make it happen Subaru!!
I'm in the UK and have a 2011 Outback 3.6 and a 2009 Outback 3.0. I've been waiting all this time for Subaru to bring out a hybrid model with some decent power, not reliant on a turbo charger... and I was running out of patience. In the UK, only the lower power versions have been available for many years now. I'd rather buy another Subaru than any other brand, based on my excellent experience with a number I've owned over the years. Your video gives me cause to wait a little longer. Thank you!
I'm in the market for a new car. The Crosstrek hybrid is interesting, perhaps what I'd like to buy. But I can't wait years as I need a new car sooner. So that leaves the Rav4 hybrid or Corolla Cross hybrid.
They have pretty decent fuel economy for their gas only vehicles, when they come with a CVT. Over a decade ago, they had their EJ25 engine with a 4 speed automatic transmission, which was pretty low on economy, especially if you got one with the turbo.
All future hybrid technologies with subaru are through Toyota cooperation it makes total sense because the first Toyota hybrid was the prius beck in the year 1999 greetings from southern Ontario Canada I really enjoyed the video 😊
I'm going to guess a hybrid would substantially help the way they drive and would be worth checking out. I used to have an 02 Impreza TS wagon (it was naturally aspirated with the 2.5 EJ that's in a countless other subaru's) and the thing had little to no low-end power and not much at the top either, all if it came in the middle of the powerband. I read somewhere that the lack of low end grunt is a trait of the H pattern boxer layout, only having four cylinders, and not having forced induction.
I'd rather have eAWD. Maybe for off-roading the mechanical awd is better. But for commuting the eAWD is ideal. You get regenerative braking in the rear and fewer mechanical parts to wear out.
@@justalurker3489 some say it’s a Toyota eCVT and some other say is a series hybrid like a range extender I’m not to sure but I’m sure the belt and pulley CVT is gone for good
I've been driving Subarus since 1992. I have been going into dealer shops and bugging them about getting more eco friendly for half that time! Pzev was a nice touch but fizzled out and did not help the actual fossil fuel problem overall. So I'd be happy to update my next Outback (hopefully not for a few years) with a hybrid or maybe by then full EV model. I'd also love a Solterra but they need to fix range! Obviously I'm Team Subie and just hope they put their "we love nature" money where their mouth is! (from Canada)
I’ll be curious to see how it turns out. But I’m not so pleased with the overall quality with our 21 Ascent. Even the loaner outback’s (23 limited and 23 limited xt) seemed to be lacking in build quality compared to previous Subaru’s I’ve driven and owned.
200hp in the Forester would be excellent as long as the electric motor allows for more low end torque, as it should. I'd be shocked if they went backward, compared to the ICE only Forester, and the hybrid took 9+ seconds to 60.
Thanks for the info ! I drive a Forester e-boxer and it's quick enough for daily driving. We're getting the new Forester in the UK early next year with the same mild hybrid rather than the new setup. I'll still buy another Forester with the mild hybrid system.
I also liked our Forester e-boxer. Went this summer for a new Outback to get some more towing capacity, in Sweden we can tow 2-tons with Outback. It will be really interesting to see the new strong hybrid system later on in Forester and Outback
If the range was competitive with the Solterra, I would be interested. Toyota was just way too conservative with the battery design in that car. I get they wanted the battery to have a long lasting range for a longer time than other EV competitors but considering that EV buyers mostly lease their cars, it just doesn’t make sense to me.
We have a 2020 highlander hybrid AWD model LE (base model). Plenty of room overall average of 36 mpg real world driving Plenty of power and we tow our 3200 lb travel with it. I believe it’s hard to beat that and this is a 4,500 lb vehicle empty. Also Toyota’s proven reliability with hybrids.
Having owned and or driven basically every subaru model the crosstrek was slow on acceration but only from 0-60 because of the way the cvt is tuned and they handle really my forester outhandles a prius of a similar generation not to mention how well my crosstrek handled that being said if the hybrid don't out accelerate and more importantly to consumers have more hp than the regular models they won't sell well.
I don’t get the complaint about power, Just bought a 2025 Forrester Touring and I don’t have a problem with acceleration. I also have Honda Accord Touring with the 1.5 turbo that is getting 42.3 mpg but those little engines with low friction rings and a cvt are going to suffer from too much pressure with a hot foot. Sorrry, not paying 2 grand more so I can say I have a turbo.
I don’t care so much about the range of a Hybrid but more MPG. From what little I can find there doesn’t seem to be a big improvement. What’s the point then. 🤔
I hope they will include a plug-in version, so the electric motor needs to be powerful. I live in CA where gas is expensive now, will likely keep going higher as the EV push and anti-petroleum policies reduce gas stations and push refineries out of state. Any car I buy now, needs to account for driving 3, 4, 5+ years from now. I am also glad Subaru is keeping their mechanically linked front/back AWD system. Not a real 4x4 transfer case, but close. Systems that use a rear e-drive (Rav4 Prime, ...) , while getting good mileage, tend to have poor off-road/AWD performance compared to Subaru's current system. Let's keep our fingers crossed that the new hybrid models are available to buy in 2025.
From an EU/UK perspective, the MPG figures for the hybrids we already have (Crosstrek and Forester) are extremely disappointing when compared to the competition such as the Rav-4 and we hold little hope that the upcoming Outback will do any better. With the disappearance of the Audi Allroads it's a shame as an Outback would be a great replacement for those looking for good winter performance in a wagon but if it gets the same 34mpg as the e-Forester than it's a non-starter in the land of $8 gallon fuel.
But Audi Allroad have not been available as hybrids I guess and I think when it comes to cost they will be much more expensive than an Outback or Forester
The Corolla Cross hybrid will take sales away from the Crosstrek but Toyota has supply issues in North America. Nissan will bring in hybrids next year but they are late to the game when they had them in Europe for years.
I suggest anyone even remotely interested in these 'Hybrids' search out UK reviews of them. It could save you a major headache and disappointment. Personally until Subaru sorts out their doo doo out I'm steering well clear of these 'new' vehicles. They're a home mechanics nightmare and don't get me started on the screen interface monstrosity. I'm keeping my 2005 Forester XS on the road for the foreseeable future. Even bought a short block to have on hand when the OEM engine starts giving it up, at 230,000 miles it's still rock solid. Fingers crossed Subaru finally gets back on track, but I doubt it. Good luck everyone, all the best. P.S. Subaru's hand will be forced in the very near future to give up on the Symmetrical All Wheel drive system. 4 electric motors are far better, far quicker to respond to conditions with far more direct torque. There are already mumblings about this amongst the dealers. I heard they will be adopting Toyota's system...whatever that means. Maybe someone here with better ears to the ground can enlighten us?
Subaru hybrids are long over due and their engine and power band hasn't made a improvement in over 10 years they should ditch the spare tire on the outback, forster and crosstrech if u look under its so much wasted space those new Hyundai hyriids system perfect for their 2.5 and 3.0 engines low end its instant ev torque >then the engine turns on> then the turbos kicks in
Driving a 2019 Subaru Ascent. Love my car but I have been begging Subie for a Wilderness Edition (with a 2nd row bench 😅) hybrid. Gimmie that and they have my monies lol.
I watched a few Japanese reviews and the best thing about them was not listening or read the word "Lineartronic" anywhere. This new drivetrain looks promising.
@@下田洋介-w4z Exactly, what I am excited about is the instant torque from stop in off'roading conditions. Something that the previous drivetrain weren't ideal for.
Not greatest fuel economy? Almost every model of Subaru is at the top of its class in fuel economy. When you consider Subaru uses FULL TIME AWD when most companies use an inferior clutch based on demand system, that makes their fuel economy even better than it looks at 1st glance.
I'm very interested in the Crosstrek. Subaru says it gets 27 mpg city. But after spending hours reading owner reviews and the Crosstrek forum I see many owners complaining the best city mpg is 20-22. Some report even less. It's the reason why I put the Crosstrek on the back-burner.
@@kenfrank2730 My son has a 2024 Crosstrek sport and I have a 2024 Impreza RS. We both do a pretty solid 50\50 mix of city\hwy driving. Both vehicles use the exact same 2.5L engine and transmission. My Impreza consistently returns 30-31 mpg while his Crosstrek gets about 27-28. It could be a difference in driving styles, but I suspect that with the big tires and being so high off the ground that it is just much harder for the Crosstrek to meet its rated MPG. If you dont need the ground clearance, and lets be honest most buyers dont, get the Impreza. It is functionally the EXACT same vehicle, just lower and sportier.
@francisverniere9250 Great point. Considering most Subaru models are about as aerodynamic as a refrigerator, its even more impressive how good their fuel economy is.
That the hybrid system "is expected to be offered in a U.S.-made Forester in the coming years" is a big disappointment. The Forester, being heavier than the Crosstrek but currently with the same powertrain, is in greater need of more power and fuel economy.
This seems like such a weird way to go at this point with battery prices dropping and stuff. I'm not any EV fanboy, but I do think high battery range simpler series plug in hybrid or range extender EVs would be the smarter thing to invest in at this point rather than these more complicated mechanical systems that really only have advantages on road trips. I don't think most of us care if we have to spend 5-15% more on gas during road trip if we are buying zero gas for daily commute and short trips. REVs should be able to have 100-200 mile range as BEV get to the 400+ as the norm.
The current engine line up is destroying Subaru. Make the turbo an option damn it. Thats what Mazda does. Give customers some choices. The Subaru 4 banger has horrible performance without the turbo.
It's such a miss opportunity to not put the front differential IN FRONT of the engine. Like how Ferrari did to their AWD. Just hanging and swing the hunk of metal in front of the front axle.
@@kermit1 No. Subaru has had problems with antifreeze and oil use, much because of horizontal boxer design. Doesn’t make any difference there are other makers using the boxer design.
If I’m gonna give up the manual transmission in my forester 2017 it’s gonna have to get something else to compensate like hybrid ( more power and better fuel economy) otherwise I’m keeping this for a while, unless we get the levorg 😅? I’d trade my 2023 wrx manual for a levorg. hybrid or not just bring us more power options and manuals across the line up and I’m all in .
Hello, the CX50 has been around in Europe for a while now, It was a candidate for me but we choose the Outback. The CX50 has been haunted with issues and when I test /dry drove it it feelt very cramped on the inside and very big on the outside. It feel Subaru is much more function over form. Its more sleek, thought over and smart packaged than the CX50. The Subarus also feels very nimble to drive
Been owning various Subarus since 2005. Hate the cvt's with a passion, and the push for ev/hybrids i feel less "fun to drive".. (Owned 2 wrx's and an STi and cvt Forester XT in all these years..)
Exactly whats wrong with them. I prefer them over manual, double clutch, 7g-tronic and all others I’ve own or tried. Fixed steps feels as stupid as having a leg or an arm with 5-9 fixed positions to choose from. It might look cool to move like a robot but is not smart at all.
as an european I wanted a rugged forester but the only engine left here is the e-boxer and how can I sum it up it has half my 350hp 2.3l sports awd power but still somehow manages to pollute MORE and has barely better mpg (with less than half hp and torque remember) it's also in reviews cited as the slowest hybrid against it's competitors, I had a wrx sti and liked the awd (as an utiliy snow awd not for sport) the big problem for Subaru is that they want to keep their awful boxer design and their good awd (if utilitarian and not sporty) the eboxer for the love of God get rid of it it's one of the reason I sold my wrx sti real fast it brings zero benefit other than noise and that's not a utility subaru feature so lose-lose, the supposed lower center of mass is marketing in real life the block sits very high and having driven honda civic type r ford focus rs mitsubishi lancer evolution I can tell you the car that felt the heavier handling wise was the wrx sti so don't even try on a forester or outback, I went for a forester begin 2024 but the e-boxer is just horrible so went toyota for a rav4 but apparently they employ dealers who refuse to sell a car because they don't make enough lease commissions on it (what kind of salesperon still hasn't sold a car after 5 visits by a willing buyer ready to pay msrp for a car on the lot ?) so I'm back to waiting for an acceptable subaru either give me mileage or power but something e-boxer is worst than the 2-5l turbo which was atrocious (my ford focus literally has double the torque between 1000 to 4000rpm)
We had an e-boxer Forester in parallell with our E500 V8 Merc. I dont think the e-boxer nor the boxer is horrible at all. The engine is super smoth thanks to the boxer, can be compared to our earlier MB E320 with inline 6 when it comes to vibrations. Of course 150+17hp will not create a racer but thats not the intention of the car. We towed a 1800kg boggie 8m long caravan with it. It worked but we have now moved to an Outback for a bit more grunt. At start, I though miss the extra 50+ Nm that the e-machine in the Forester delivered instantly. Im looking forward to an Outback or Forester with more beefed up hybride system. We have a cottage and we get around 0.7 summertime and 0.75 wintertime with fully packed car with roof box. Not too bad for a big family car with permanent 4WD.
They need to fix the interior ergonomics by replacing the HVAC section of the touchscreen with physical buttons
!!!!!!!!!!...........10/4.............ALL cars, Please..........Knobs/buttons.................Programing sucks.........Paul
And apart from it not beeing fun to use it doesn’t even work as well as it used to. Sometimes I put temp low with ac and I’ll get hot air for a while and suddenly I start to get cold air. I mean the AC works it’s just it seems like the input doesn’t get through fast.
Talking about a 2023 so it’s not about used defect
They need to get rid of the cvt and refine the boxer engines
Who thought about putting vertical screen instead of horizontal screen? This is so dangerous.
I drive the 2024 Crosstrek 2.5L boxer 182hp Limited model and I love it. Some people complain about lack of Subaru power, but my Crosstrek doesn't feel that way.
Here in Canada, we get the Japanese Crosstreks, and the fit and finish is excellent. A hybrid would be a great thing but if they take out the spare tire it would be so annoying.
The gas Crosstrek gets pretty good fuel economy compared to other compact gas SUVs, but hybrid will depend on price and availability.
I hope it's another success!
I find the CVT makes them feel less powerful. Also, the increased weight muted the slight increase in power. However, they will still do over 200 km per hour. I feel people are just too lazy to rev things and expect to have some diesel-like powerband as if they're driving around like some useless fat person melted into the seat.
@@060racing8 The CV transmission is used because it weighs less than an automatic. I think my Legacy performs just fine. I retired my 2002 Altima 3.5 L . In its youth it would take just about all that was running then. Traction in rain and snow is obviously superior .
@mikewallace8087 yes but it's not like comparing it to a 2.5 RS
gas subarus are extinct in europe or will be in 2025 we only have the awful e-boxer which crippled their sales a few customers got owned by it word of mouth finished the brand their sales fell from a cliff, to cite my comments above it pollutes more and has like 10% better mpg than my 2.3l 350hp awd focus rs which in europe means a subaru forester owner is going to pay more "green taxes" than my 0-60 4.5s rally inspired car while a rav 4 owner will pay less than 1/3 of my taxes
@@060racing8 it's normal as CVT only accelerate up to an ideal rpm and then it's the gearing that changes now whether we like it or not unless the zero emission mandates fall it's the future for all brands as it's more efficient, the old way of engines to work through the rpms really isn't it works fine going full throttle but in real driving you're constantly out of the ideal air/fuel ratio thus the CVT with it's weird acceleration
My dream Subaru would be a hybrid wilderness trim Baja.
I had a 2017 Outback which I thought was one of the best cars that I ever owned. In the past I’ve had the LS430 and the Tesla S. I really wanted a new Subaru with better fuel economy. There was nothing on the horizon so I bought a Toyota Venza LE. . I’m just blown away at how good the Venza LE is. I’ve got a 2024 RAV4 XLE loaner for some service work and I feel the Venza is quite a bit better.
I’m a big fan of Toyotas E-AWD. It’s interesting how Subaru will stick with mechanical AWD system. The decision stays true to heart of the old Fuji Heavy Industries. Good for them to honor their heritage.
I have a 2024 outback XT and I love it. What I really like is the drivetrain to me it feels like kinda like a cat climbing a tree just hold the road so well. I also have a RAV4 hybrid and I love you for different reasons. I like the fuel economy and gets pretty peppy when I need it. For me, the best of both worlds would be an outback maybe with the turbo but definitely in a hybrid configuration. They’ve got to improve the mileage factor and range. If they get it right, I think they’ll sell a ton of them.
I have had subaru for 10 years now. reviewing both rav4 and subaru. what do you think is gonna be better option for hikers?
thank you! currently own a forester and waiting/wanting for any updates on the hybrid version!
I visited the Subaru Japan website (and translated to English). Looks like they’re already taking preorders for the Crosstrek Strong Hybrid. Hope we get them in North America.
I own a Solterra and absolutely love it. I drive in the city a fair amount, but also long distance and it has been fantastic. I would also love to see another Crosstrek Plugin Hybrid with Subaru's new Hybrid tech. I owned the 2019 version of the Crosstrek Plugin Hybrid for a few years and it was truly nice, but its range was just too little.
The Soltera is a nice entry level EV although the price won't reflect that unless you are leasing. At least it has the appropriate amount of black cladding on the exterior befitting the Subaru image.
@@sparklander It is a lot better than reviewers make it out to be. I see terms like "entry level EV" and "terrible range" floating around everywhere, but none of these people own the Solterra long term. I drive a lot of kilometers in city and have to drive long distance on highways weekly through all sorts of harsh weather and this vehicle has been phenomenal so far. I have at home charging, which makes a big difference for any EV owner, so that does make things a lot easier for me. I also have charging options at work.
Honestly though, I have over 700 km's a week just from the weekly highway trips and I have not changed my driving habits in any way from my previous full petrol and hybrid Crosstreks. I still stop for 45 minutes to an hour at least once during long hauls (from Montreal to Toronto or Gatineau to Toronto) to eat and relax and this is more than enough time to get back up to 80-90% charge with fast charging.
I have only been able to do light off roading so far, but I will push it more when I get some decent time off. It handles incredibly well in everything and is quite enjoyable to drive. I love the safety features and have to praise the lane centering when I have needed it. The Toyota / Subaru safety systems have held up even in torrential downpours and high wind storm conditions. The cargo capacity inside and on the roof allow me to always have room for my tools, camera gear, bikes. snowboards and kayaks while still having plenty of space for luggage and my partner's gear.
There are also some amazing purchase and lease deals up here in Québec currently. Though I will say that the biggest complaint that I had about the Solterra was the high price. We stiil get incredible subsidies from the Provincial and Federal governments right now, along with the 5,000 manufacturer rebate so we likely have better purchasing options than many other locations.
Basically I just wanted to get some positive facts out there from someone who owns and uses the Solterra for everything that it is capable of doing, though I do need to get her out caving with me on some of those forest roads when I get the next opportunity ;)
I Love My Solterra. I don't care what other people think.
That’s a good thing.
It’s the only model sold at the dealership right now in France, I mean it’s the only way to get competitive here in EU… everything’s coming are far far away and will be out dated at the release. Maybe for the US or Swiss but the competition is really high. But from what I remember they must launch futur EV models as well…
It’s really sad because I like boxer engine for a while but a Solterra is getting me more excited right now, just realistic.
We have its sibling, the Bz4x, despite the very negative biased press reviews, we think it is a good bev.....comfortable, good warranty and for us good range, no problems at all. It is almost as efficiënt as a model y Tesla....we have several Bev's in our businessfleet and even the hard core Tesla users like the Bz4x.....
@@Rspirit86 Boxer's engine emissions too high for Europe. More money to be made from selling EV Credits from Soltera.
I had signed up for one when it was announced but ended up getting a model Y due to delays. Loved the naming philosophy and knew it would be a sleeper hit. After owning a Tesla, I’m will remain a Japanese car fan.
I lost patience early 23 and got an Outback Limited 2.5L in Dark Mahogany Pearl.. Really like my car! I probably won't trade up unless there is a Hybrid Outback with significant fuel savings and a tweak to the center screen to make it a little more responsive. An E-CVT might convince me, too. I miss my Toyota planetary gear set.
A crostrek wrx would be a fun compact alternative to the Sedan Wrx. Which has gotten bulky & wonky (design).
Same here.
Just modify it, WRX engine, add a hood scoop.
The expected fuel economy is about 19km/L, so it's not particularly good, but because the tank volume has been increased, it can run 1000km on one tank. There's no doubt that it will be the main engine for the Japanese Forester to be released next year. After that, I hope it will be rolled out to the LEVORG and LAYBACK as well.
I own a 2017 Outback. In the summer I get 36 mpg consistently. In the winter it gets 33.
I must be really lucky. No CVT complaints, not burning any oil. And that’s with 5 Subie cars in last 8 years. Love them. Will buy a hybrid after it is out for a couple of years.
People love to hate Subaru's and CVT's. They've dedicated their lives to it. Lol... I've had two and had 0 problems.
Crosstrek hybrid would be perfect for me. It’s a bad move that Subaru wants to wait to bring a hybrid to America with the forester when the Crosstrek hybrid is about to be available in USA. It should be the first one brought to America .
One of the most exciting things is that they are keeping the big gas tank. Most hybrids have to sacrifice tank size for battery space. I'm hoping the hybrids are good ask there standard engines get good gas millage and distance to empty but improving that while upping the power would be a big selling combo. Hopefully it'll cost an arm and a leg too....
If you look in the engine bay of the WRX, Forester or Crosstrek, there is a heap of room behind the boxer engine, plenty of room for the electric motor. Losing a slight amount of trunk space for the battery, and this works really well.
The Crosstrek could be a far, far, far better seller if it had more power. Most don't need a hot rod version(it would be nice!) just make it a decent, competitive 7.0 0-60 for safety.
Isn't the current Forester rated at 33mpg on the highway? If the hybrid only get 35 mpg, and is same or slower than the current Forester, it's a total fail.
My 2019 forester only gets 25mpg if its lucky.
The range on my little WRX is amazing, it's got a pretty big tank for a small car.
Do you know if the hybrids are going to use toyota’s planetary gear based CVT, like the previous crosstrek hybrid, and NOT the chain belt based CVT that is in the rest of the subaru lineup? That would be awesome!
An option to opt out the the Infotainment System is what I am looking for. I do not want this potential complication or distraction in my Vehicle. I work in IT. I spend most of my day looking at a Screen. I do not want to be greeted with a Screen when I get into my Vehicle. I need a Screen Break. Also, A Ignition Key, Physical Parking Break not a electronic button, a Engine Oil Dip Stick, Physical Buttons for the Controls are things I am looking for. Less Complicated, Lighter Weight, Simpler more reliable Vehicle Design is what I want.
I own two Subarus. I like their cars but right now they feel 5 years behind Toyota.
Quality wise on par or better....
They're 50 years behind toyota
You been in the new Camry? It rattles like crazy
Yeah, but Subarus have the best Awd, especially noticeable in snow. And the flat engine does make them drive a little sportier.
@@avdp9095 But it’s not. I do all my own service work. Look under the hood of a three year old Subaru. Almost every fastener has a mild coating of rust. The fasteners on my Toyotas look new, phosphate or cadmium plated everything.
I like the 2025 Forester but i wish it had more horsepower like a turbo which they had in the older models. And like the other person stated, some HVAC buttons.
Nice analysis. Any tight city environment is kinda rough with the naturally aspirated engine and slushbox CVT. It can sound and feel so terrible, but then other times it does precisely what you want it to do, which is weird. Add in the auto start/stop and you are sometimes pausing right as you try to take a left turn in front of traffic..that is a huge safety hazard. Even the turbo charged Subarus can feel annoying/pokey off the line with turbo lag and jerky and unpredictable fake shifts. I believe the main issue with the Subarus driving-wise having driven a Legacy, 2 Ascents (turbo charged) and an Outback in the last 10 years as many have said is the CVT transmission. It's as if Subaru pre-purchased like 10 million of these CVT setups in 2011 and need to burn them all off before they upgrade the thing! The 2025 drives exactly like the 2015 model! They need to upgrade or change this thing, either mild hybrid to more of an eCVT thing, full hybrid with eCVT or complete overhaul with a regular auto transmission. The CVT might save you some gas on the highway (maybe) but really doesn't around town. If you can average better than 20 mpgs with a 2.5 naturally aspirated Outback in the winter in city driving, you are hypermiling and on incredibly flat terrain.
We had an outback for 10 years and 160k. Loved it. Very comfortable and very reliable.
Since we've had hybrids with the Camry as our current car.
Subaru is behind the ball and needs to go hybrid much faster or they'll miss out.
I have a 24 Crosstrek Sport and did 500 miles on a tank. Range isn't a problem and power isn't a problem with the 2.5 unless maybe you live at higher altitudes. I did months of research before I wrote a check and this Subaru is a fantastic vehicle especially for the money. The hybrid option can't hurt if it's done right.
I daily drive a 2013 Subaru legacy 3.6 R limited. I’ve got about 150,000 miles on the car and my commute is 20 minutes to work on the freeway and I average about 25 to 27 miles a gallon now I stay on top of my maintenance and run synthetic fluid but you can get decent fuel economy out of a Subaru I mean I have the biggest engine they produced!
Kirk, It's about time Subaru got back in the hybrid game. Having said that, the closer I look at hybrids offered by other brands, the better Toyota Hybrids look. 🤩
Toyota is decades ahead in hybrids. Their hybrids are literally THE most reliable powertrains ever created by industry.
Having owned a Toyota (Lexus) hybrid myself, I agree they are incredibly smooth and reliable. I will say, however, that their preferred method of creating a 4WD/AWD hybrid is to use and electric motor on the rear axle. The problem with this is that the rear motor is not really powerful enough to be a huge help for off road and/or deep snow. From my perspective, it is not really in keeping with Subaru’s go-anywhere persona. Now, if they can keep the fully mechanical 4WD system and add the efficiency and torque of the hybrid, then they are onto something. We will see.
Honestly seems like a mistake to make a Forester hybrid for the States first before just bringing the Crosstrek Hybrid over here. The market is way bigger for a Crosstrek Hybrid as there's zero chance of me getting a Forester hybrid but the Crosstrek Hybrid is right up my alley
So you think Subaru made a mistake because you not going to buy Forester hybrid? 😂
@@danguelph2676 Look up "Subaru Forester Sales Drop 12% While Crosstrek Soars 47% In August." There's a reason why the Crosstrek is their best seller. It works for more people. I don't need a huge clunky looking Forester.
The 2025 Forester is hideous
Kirk we ordered a Corolla Cross Hybrid here in Canada in August 2023. We were told 8 months. This is almost 15 months later and we still don’t have it. Not very happy 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
By the time you’ll get it, second generation will come out 😂
@@danguelph2676 is that a good thing?
Here in Los Angeles there are several CCH on dealer lots - ready to buy.
@@kenfrank2730 ya go figure
I'm curious as to why they are skipping over talking about the Outback?
You're right. A few words would have been nice, but I think the main reason is that there is just no news about them. Hybrid Outbacks are further in the future, at best!
Forester hybrid is the beta tester for their flagship Outback before it's introduced on it.
It would be awesome to see Subaru build a hybrid Impreza. Something comparable to the new Civic hybrid. You get a hatchback, Symmetrical AWD, and 200 or more horsepower and 200 or more torque. 0-60 in about 6 to 6.5 seconds and 50mpgs. That would be a fun car to drive. I would pre-order one today. Make it happen Subaru!!
We want the forester xt back as well. Hybrids too.
I'm in the UK and have a 2011 Outback 3.6 and a 2009 Outback 3.0. I've been waiting all this time for Subaru to bring out a hybrid model with some decent power, not reliant on a turbo charger... and I was running out of patience. In the UK, only the lower power versions have been available for many years now. I'd rather buy another Subaru than any other brand, based on my excellent experience with a number I've owned over the years. Your video gives me cause to wait a little longer. Thank you!
I'm in the market for a new car. The Crosstrek hybrid is interesting, perhaps what I'd like to buy. But I can't wait years as I need a new car sooner. So that leaves the Rav4 hybrid or Corolla Cross hybrid.
They have pretty decent fuel economy for their gas only vehicles, when they come with a CVT. Over a decade ago, they had their EJ25 engine with a 4 speed automatic transmission, which was pretty low on economy, especially if you got one with the turbo.
All future hybrid technologies with subaru are through Toyota cooperation it makes total sense because the first Toyota hybrid was the prius beck in the year 1999 greetings from southern Ontario Canada I really enjoyed the video 😊
Given Toyota dealers don't have hybrids to sell, might as well wait for this to sort itself out.
The hybrid is the only reason i would consider a forester. I just wish they would put this in the ascent
does anyone know if this engine will be available in europe
An eCVT is the most exciting upgrade.
Japanese car critic commented, "It's such a powerful hybrid that makes you want to call it an eWRX".
I'm going to guess a hybrid would substantially help the way they drive and would be worth checking out. I used to have an 02 Impreza TS wagon (it was naturally aspirated with the 2.5 EJ that's in a countless other subaru's) and the thing had little to no low-end power and not much at the top either, all if it came in the middle of the powerband. I read somewhere that the lack of low end grunt is a trait of the H pattern boxer layout, only having four cylinders, and not having forced induction.
I'd rather have eAWD. Maybe for off-roading the mechanical awd is better. But for commuting the eAWD is ideal. You get regenerative braking in the rear and fewer mechanical parts to wear out.
I’m in Canada and my dealer is expecting the Forester hybrid next summer (2025)
The biggest advantage of hybrid Subaru is it got rid of the CVT
So it's a Toyota eCVT instead?
@@justalurker3489 some say it’s a Toyota eCVT and some other say is a series hybrid like a range extender I’m not to sure but I’m sure the belt and pulley CVT is gone for good
I've been driving Subarus since 1992. I have been going into dealer shops and bugging them about getting more eco friendly for half that time! Pzev was a nice touch but fizzled out and did not help the actual fossil fuel problem overall. So I'd be happy to update my next Outback (hopefully not for a few years) with a hybrid or maybe by then full EV model. I'd also love a Solterra but they need to fix range! Obviously I'm Team Subie and just hope they put their "we love nature" money where their mouth is! (from Canada)
I’ll be curious to see how it turns out. But I’m not so pleased with the overall quality with our 21 Ascent. Even the loaner outback’s (23 limited and 23 limited xt) seemed to be lacking in build quality compared to previous Subaru’s I’ve driven and owned.
Sadly probably cause those are built in America not japan
200hp in the Forester would be excellent as long as the electric motor allows for more low end torque, as it should. I'd be shocked if they went backward, compared to the ICE only Forester, and the hybrid took 9+ seconds to 60.
Thanks for the info ! I drive a Forester e-boxer and it's quick enough for daily driving. We're getting the new Forester in the UK early next year with the same mild hybrid rather than the new setup. I'll still buy another Forester with the mild hybrid system.
I also liked our Forester e-boxer. Went this summer for a new Outback to get some more towing capacity, in Sweden we can tow 2-tons with Outback. It will be really interesting to see the new strong hybrid system later on in Forester and Outback
2.5 boxer 4 is great on fuel
so it be good
This is what they should do with the Subaru Wrx STI, instead of going fully electric they should go hybrid just like Honda with the new Prelude
wait for theEV STI might not see it until 2027😔 hopefully the new hybrid forester worthy❤
If the range was competitive with the Solterra, I would be interested. Toyota was just way too conservative with the battery design in that car. I get they wanted the battery to have a long lasting range for a longer time than other EV competitors but considering that EV buyers mostly lease their cars, it just doesn’t make sense to me.
We have a 2020 highlander hybrid AWD model LE (base model). Plenty of room overall average of 36 mpg real world driving
Plenty of power and we tow our 3200 lb travel with it. I believe it’s hard to beat that and this is a 4,500 lb vehicle empty.
Also Toyota’s proven reliability with hybrids.
I would have gotten a forester if the engine was more powerful! They need to bring back the XT versions we need 250hp 😫
Having owned and or driven basically every subaru model the crosstrek was slow on acceration but only from 0-60 because of the way the cvt is tuned and they handle really my forester outhandles a prius of a similar generation not to mention how well my crosstrek handled that being said if the hybrid don't out accelerate and more importantly to consumers have more hp than the regular models they won't sell well.
Why old people in my area, bought the bZ4x, what they find attractive?
they can't see well anymore
I don’t get the complaint about power, Just bought a 2025 Forrester Touring and I don’t have a problem with acceleration. I also have Honda Accord Touring with the 1.5 turbo that is getting 42.3 mpg but those little engines with low friction rings and a cvt are going to suffer from too much pressure with a hot foot. Sorrry, not paying 2 grand more so I can say I have a turbo.
They are probably going to use the newer Toyota’s hybrid setup.
Subaru will also price these wrong. I suspect the lack of 2025 Forester sales are just customers waiting for the Hybrid.
I don’t care so much about the range of a Hybrid but more MPG. From what little I can find there doesn’t seem to be a big improvement. What’s the point then. 🤔
I hope they will include a plug-in version, so the electric motor needs to be powerful. I live in CA where gas is expensive now, will likely keep going higher as the EV push and anti-petroleum policies reduce gas stations and push refineries out of state. Any car I buy now, needs to account for driving 3, 4, 5+ years from now. I am also glad Subaru is keeping their mechanically linked front/back AWD system. Not a real 4x4 transfer case, but close. Systems that use a rear e-drive (Rav4 Prime, ...) , while getting good mileage, tend to have poor off-road/AWD performance compared to Subaru's current system. Let's keep our fingers crossed that the new hybrid models are available to buy in 2025.
From an EU/UK perspective, the MPG figures for the hybrids we already have (Crosstrek and Forester) are extremely disappointing when compared to the competition such as the Rav-4 and we hold little hope that the upcoming Outback will do any better. With the disappearance of the Audi Allroads it's a shame as an Outback would be a great replacement for those looking for good winter performance in a wagon but if it gets the same 34mpg as the e-Forester than it's a non-starter in the land of $8 gallon fuel.
But Audi Allroad have not been available as hybrids I guess and I think when it comes to cost they will be much more expensive than an Outback or Forester
Will there still be a boxer engine in the Crosstrek hybrid?
The Corolla Cross hybrid will take sales away from the Crosstrek but Toyota has supply issues in North America. Nissan will bring in hybrids next year but they are late to the game when they had them in Europe for years.
I suggest anyone even remotely interested in these 'Hybrids' search out UK reviews of them. It could save you a major headache and disappointment. Personally until Subaru sorts out their doo doo out I'm steering well clear of these 'new' vehicles. They're a home mechanics nightmare and don't get me started on the screen interface monstrosity. I'm keeping my 2005 Forester XS on the road for the foreseeable future. Even bought a short block to have on hand when the OEM engine starts giving it up, at 230,000 miles it's still rock solid. Fingers crossed Subaru finally gets back on track, but I doubt it. Good luck everyone, all the best.
P.S. Subaru's hand will be forced in the very near future to give up on the Symmetrical All Wheel drive system. 4 electric motors are far better, far quicker to respond to conditions with far more direct torque. There are already mumblings about this amongst the dealers. I heard they will be adopting Toyota's system...whatever that means. Maybe someone here with better ears to the ground can enlighten us?
man. it's about damn time.
Subaru hybrids are long over due and their engine and power band hasn't made a improvement in over 10 years
they should ditch the spare tire on the outback, forster and crosstrech if u look under its so much wasted space
those new Hyundai hyriids system perfect for their 2.5 and 3.0 engines
low end its instant ev torque >then the engine turns on> then the turbos kicks in
Is the drive motor driving both front and rear wheels? Otherwise I don't see any benefit to having it in the front.
Driving a 2019 Subaru Ascent. Love my car but I have been begging Subie for a Wilderness Edition (with a 2nd row bench 😅) hybrid. Gimmie that and they have my monies lol.
Anyone can confirm if Subaru Forester Hybrid will be available in NA in 2025 as 2026 model?
I watched a few Japanese reviews and the best thing about them was not listening or read the word "Lineartronic" anywhere. This new drivetrain looks promising.
If customers don’t want the CVT, you can be assured Subaru will put a CVT in it.
This s-hev is ecvt, which is same as toyota ths, planetary gear train, means very reliable.
@@matthelms4167 Lol, specially here in Japan. Even the WRX comes in CVT only form.
@@下田洋介-w4z Exactly, what I am excited about is the instant torque from stop in off'roading conditions. Something that the previous drivetrain weren't ideal for.
This is one of the most exciting news you have given on this channel
There was a dealer who wrote that they were told by Subaru that are going to have the crosstrek eboxer in 2026 probably after the forester
Not greatest fuel economy? Almost every model of Subaru is at the top of its class in fuel economy. When you consider Subaru uses FULL TIME AWD when most companies use an inferior clutch based on demand system, that makes their fuel economy even better than it looks at 1st glance.
I'm very interested in the Crosstrek. Subaru says it gets 27 mpg city. But after spending hours reading owner reviews and the Crosstrek forum I see many owners complaining the best city mpg is 20-22. Some report even less. It's the reason why I put the Crosstrek on the back-burner.
@@kenfrank2730 My son has a 2024 Crosstrek sport and I have a 2024 Impreza RS. We both do a pretty solid 50\50 mix of city\hwy driving. Both vehicles use the exact same 2.5L engine and transmission. My Impreza consistently returns 30-31 mpg while his Crosstrek gets about 27-28. It could be a difference in driving styles, but I suspect that with the big tires and being so high off the ground that it is just much harder for the Crosstrek to meet its rated MPG. If you dont need the ground clearance, and lets be honest most buyers dont, get the Impreza. It is functionally the EXACT same vehicle, just lower and sportier.
Thank You!!
@@boost331basic aerodynamics.
@francisverniere9250 Great point. Considering most Subaru models are about as aerodynamic as a refrigerator, its even more impressive how good their fuel economy is.
I’m waiting for the Subaru Baja sub, compact pick up, in a strong hybrid.
That the hybrid system "is expected to be offered in a U.S.-made Forester in the coming years" is a big disappointment. The Forester, being heavier than the Crosstrek but currently with the same powertrain, is in greater need of more power and fuel economy.
This seems like such a weird way to go at this point with battery prices dropping and stuff. I'm not any EV fanboy, but I do think high battery range simpler series plug in hybrid or range extender EVs would be the smarter thing to invest in at this point rather than these more complicated mechanical systems that really only have advantages on road trips. I don't think most of us care if we have to spend 5-15% more on gas during road trip if we are buying zero gas for daily commute and short trips. REVs should be able to have 100-200 mile range as BEV get to the 400+ as the norm.
The current engine line up is destroying Subaru. Make the turbo an option damn it. Thats what Mazda does. Give customers some choices. The Subaru 4 banger has horrible performance without the turbo.
I agree. 2019 Forester just no fun.
In Europie there’s a Forester 2025 with e-boxer 2.0 and initial impressions aren’t good if it goes to „power”
I’d still go regular Highlander hybrid, 243 horsepower. 😂
I have 3 Crosstreks 2018 2022 2024 and one Forester Sport 2020. I have 32mile/gallon. I am OK with that.
It's such a miss opportunity to not put the front differential IN FRONT of the engine. Like how Ferrari did to their AWD.
Just hanging and swing the hunk of metal in front of the front axle.
Apples to oranges mate.
But, it would be better like you say haha
I would have thought to quicker 0-62 mph would be comparing it to the basic ice ?? Not the mild hybrid of old.
'14 XV crosstek was not a plug-in
I just saw a review of the 2025 Subaru Crosstrek Hybrid in Australia. It was not good. The mileage was not good.
Crosstrek hybrid is about to be the number 1 car in USA being most reliable, safe, good 39-40mpg.
Everyone else going for turbos. Then a brand known for turbos don’t have much in their lineup.
Are the engines going to consume oil, or have gasket failures?
That was stuff from 2010 get with the times
@@210brownie if they’re good enough for Porsche and Toyota to use them, it’s good enough for Subaru👌
@@210brownie2 stroke engines are the best, we need to bring those back
@@kermit1 No. Subaru has had problems with antifreeze and oil use, much because of horizontal boxer design. Doesn’t make any difference there are other makers using the boxer design.
@@210brownie They use the boxer/flat design in small aircraft. Find a new source of info.
If I’m gonna give up the manual transmission in my forester 2017 it’s gonna have to get something else to compensate like hybrid ( more power and better fuel economy) otherwise I’m keeping this for a while, unless we get the levorg 😅? I’d trade my 2023 wrx manual for a levorg.
hybrid or not just bring us more power options and manuals across the line up and I’m all in .
ide never give up the manual....only have 1 auto but it is my "beer car" for swedish beer cruises
Mazda has the CX50 with Toyota’s last generation hybrid now. I think they will be in customer garages end of October or November
Hello, the CX50 has been around in Europe for a while now, It was a candidate for me but we choose the Outback. The CX50 has been haunted with issues and when I test /dry drove it it feelt very cramped on the inside and very big on the outside. It feel Subaru is much more function over form. Its more sleek, thought over and smart packaged than the CX50. The Subarus also feels very nimble to drive
@ Congratulations on the Subaru. I hear the Japan is getting a hybrid Impreza and the US is getting a hybrid Forester some time within a year or so.
The Subaru dealers near me need something, they have plenty of inventory just sitting on the lots
Been owning various Subarus since 2005. Hate the cvt's with a passion, and the push for ev/hybrids i feel less "fun to drive"..
(Owned 2 wrx's and an STi and cvt Forester XT in all these years..)
What's wrong with Subaru's CVT's?
Exactly whats wrong with them. I prefer them over manual, double clutch, 7g-tronic and all others I’ve own or tried. Fixed steps feels as stupid as having a leg or an arm with 5-9 fixed positions to choose from. It might look cool to move like a robot but is not smart at all.
A more fuel efficient WRX would be great!
as an european I wanted a rugged forester but the only engine left here is the e-boxer and how can I sum it up it has half my 350hp 2.3l sports awd power but still somehow manages to pollute MORE and has barely better mpg (with less than half hp and torque remember) it's also in reviews cited as the slowest hybrid against it's competitors, I had a wrx sti and liked the awd (as an utiliy snow awd not for sport) the big problem for Subaru is that they want to keep their awful boxer design and their good awd (if utilitarian and not sporty) the eboxer for the love of God get rid of it it's one of the reason I sold my wrx sti real fast it brings zero benefit other than noise and that's not a utility subaru feature so lose-lose, the supposed lower center of mass is marketing in real life the block sits very high and having driven honda civic type r ford focus rs mitsubishi lancer evolution I can tell you the car that felt the heavier handling wise was the wrx sti so don't even try on a forester or outback, I went for a forester begin 2024 but the e-boxer is just horrible so went toyota for a rav4 but apparently they employ dealers who refuse to sell a car because they don't make enough lease commissions on it (what kind of salesperon still hasn't sold a car after 5 visits by a willing buyer ready to pay msrp for a car on the lot ?) so I'm back to waiting for an acceptable subaru either give me mileage or power but something e-boxer is worst than the 2-5l turbo which was atrocious (my ford focus literally has double the torque between 1000 to 4000rpm)
We had an e-boxer Forester in parallell with our E500 V8 Merc. I dont think the e-boxer nor the boxer is horrible at all. The engine is super smoth thanks to the boxer, can be compared to our earlier MB E320 with inline 6 when it comes to vibrations. Of course 150+17hp will not create a racer but thats not the intention of the car. We towed a 1800kg boggie 8m long caravan with it. It worked but we have now moved to an Outback for a bit more grunt. At start, I though miss the extra 50+ Nm that the e-machine in the Forester delivered instantly. Im looking forward to an Outback or Forester with more beefed up hybride system. We have a cottage and we get around 0.7 summertime and 0.75 wintertime with fully packed car with roof box. Not too bad for a big family car with permanent 4WD.
waiting for hybrid forester.
Hope they make the Ascent Hybrid and keep it under 50k
I am excited about Subaru hybrids. An AWD station wagon hybrid would be great.