Love all your video's, this is another great one. Already really looking forward to the fire siblings one :). I do want to say though, the progress team seems to have a design philosophy that is too strong. There is no tactical way to counter at all, no real weakness either. It seems a departure from the old teams and hero balancing. Though, similar to fart. Countering it comes down to a few very small weird timing interactions and MASSIVE all-out dmg output. I really don't like it - it doesn't seem like a healthy game-balance philosophy to allow this
And I love your comments 😉❤️ That's true but I think we will see a new hero one day, who counters shields 🤣 The niche heroes counters the next niche heroes and so on. Good business for Nexters 🙈
Im Großen und Ganzen ja 🙂 es bietet mehr Vorteile als die Ginger Variante. Aber es hat natürlich auch Nachteile, wie z.b. die fehlenden Buffs für Lucas. Würde er dir buffs bekommen, dann wäre das ganz klar die beste Variante. Leider fehlt das, weshalb dann manchmal der aoe Schaden von Ginger sehr nützlich ist 🙃 problem an dem team ist, dass alle Helden gut entwickelt sein müssen. Kann also für Anfänger durchaus ein schwerer Anfang werden, weil Julius einfach kein Tank im klassischen Sinne ist. Man kann aber mit z.b. Astaroth gegensteuern
@@herowarssuddendeath Both versions are well countered by the Keira Fafnir with Morrigan Corvus and another Tank. But that Progress teams feels OP, a bit like Fart, it's clearly "above" other teams. It's sad to see Nexters are going the (even more) greedy way. On another topic, I've watched a few other videos. You ability to grasp game mechanics is on the master Yoda level lol. Thanks for sharing. Definitely going to recommend watching your videos on the guild discord.
Thank you very much 🙂✌️ Yes it's definitely one of the best setups (JJI synergy). The mechanic can't be really stopped until now but I think we will get more ways to counter shields one day 🙂 satoris rework was also very op but now it looks different 🙃
Alright bro, so do you like the Ginger Progress META or A&L Progress META better? Also, Twins with Krista tanking beats the Ginger META does that work vs A&L variant also?
🤣 the Astrid version has some more usecases, so it's the better allrounder. But like I said, Lucas gets no buffs and that makes the Ginger variant more powerful during the whole fight. Lucas has a tactical advantage and he pushes your tank back. So Krista could be stand suddenly at position 2
Both are good but I prefer nebula 🙂 even against amira I never use Sebastian. Sebastian is strong when the rng god is with you. Nebula has the consistent boost for you. So I would decide depending on your other wish heroes. If you want yasmine then go for seb. If you want iris/heidi then nebula 🙂
Quick question: if I usually use my Arachne in the front line (1st or 2nd spot) so she’s gonna be a “tank” most of the time, should I use armour or health skin for her? (I’m on hero wars mobile)
@@herowarssuddendeath thank you. I guess in my case my question should be should I focus on increasing stats for health or armor for my Arachne since she’s usually on position 1 for my team?
Health is always a hard decision because it influences your energy gaining too. She has at max 356k which is very high, without still 250k. Armor has a similar effect but at max you have only a real effect against: Artemis (26% reduction), Jhu (26%), QingMao, Andvari, Isaac (59%). The unwritten rule: as long you have no problems stay at this point until you get problems 😉
@@herowarssuddendeath haha ok thank you! I was just debating on whether I should focus on which one to strengthen her. Coz she’s generally ok but in some instances she died too quickly
That's why Julius was introduced 😉 Isaacs shield + judges shield are helping too. Btw she needs magic penetration assist for more damage = more self healing
Very nice especially that part there you share how to counter it. Those teams a very annoying., i will try xesha, phobos, iris, lilith combo, thank you very much. Btw. it could be interesting to find how to counter Kayla+Aidan, undeads not working well, as everyone expected
Thanks 🙂👍 just for info: the ironics counter needs also well developed heroes 🙈 especially Phobos. That is the problem or the good thing 🙃 Yes, I think they will be my next video 🙂 yeah I know what you mean. Generally they work
as always great work ... looks like I am very glad I raised Iris ... not done jet so ... looks like Luther is realy a weapon I will need in my arsenal soon :/
Thank you for your nice comments as always 😉❤️ I like Iris too but she is a little bit hard to handle, similar to Keira but in the magic way. Luther is nice and I'm building him too. But a 5 skins hero is always not so easy (except you have the money left 🤣)
Lucas doesn't get the buffs, which makes them weaker after the overlapping speed buffs. Nebulas boost on Isaacs ult helps Lucas a lot too but the additional pure damage can be nice to. So it's hard for me to say this one is better but personally I like more the Nebula combos (especially with Ginger)
Hm Alvanors aurora depends on Magic Attack, so this one is pretty good Health is very helpful because he dies often quickly Armor is nice too but only to be protected by Yasmines ultimate So I would say health/magic attack
I would say it depends on your situation 🙃 if you face a lot of kaylas (without tristans) the armor skin helps a lot. If you face more iris (without nebula) then the MD skin helps. If nothing of them then I would go for the magic attack skin 🙂
Hi, if you have Sebastian you can use him to counter Amiras crit fumble. The bot has different suggestions: julius judge sebastian isaac ginger Julius yasmine sebastian isaac ginger Cleaver tristan yasmine artemis fafnir Mushy Orion Mojo line Corv Keira Morri Face Fafnir
Here is Sebastian medium. Astrids attacks are single ones and Lucas doesn't get the crit buff. So you have only mainly for Julius the additional damage. For Ginger it makes more sense because of her aoe attacks
After 5 days, on mobile I currently have my main team of: Isaac, Arachne, Celeste, Morrigan, Thea as my top 5. (Level 44) Still have Maya, Kiera, Jhu who are close in power. Next I have Astaroth, Faceless, QingMao, Galahad, who are much lesser equipped with items and power. What do you think of my current main team, and how do I strengthen it by making any strategic changes?
One day your Arachne needs magic penetration assist to do some damage and to have her as tank is not the best overall solution. Isaac is not bad but better with julius judge and nebula. So I would stay what I've told you already in the other comment 🙂
Just that I already spent more resources on Isaac (he’s the most powered now), so it would be a waste to leave him out haha. Not sure how to properly synergise everyone 😅
I only started the game less than 2 days ago and currently at level 25. This is my current team: Morrigan Arachne Thea Astaroth Galahad On my bench I have Aurora Maya Phobos Keira Fox Who do you think I should focus on building to make my team a stronger overall team?
For new players are generally the special hero events a good chance to get a strong hero. I like Keira and I have started with her too. She is very strong. Focus at first on her (your team has no damagedealer, keira is one 🙂). Try to focus on her armor penetration. It must be higher than the armor of your enemies, results will be great
Astaroth and Morrigan are not working well together (you will steal your own resurrection). If your Galahad can hold the front, replace Astaroth with Keira. And if have situations where your Galahad can't properly tank, replace Morrigan with Astaroth. Maya is for the tower very very strong if you keep your energy full for the next fight (endless healing)
@@herowarssuddendeath thanks for the tips! I cleared the tower level 50 already. Also I used Aurora to replace my Galahad as my tank. (But no idea why Aurora seems to always die early) My Astaroth is already a blue 2 star while Keira is only green 1 star so it might take some time to groom her to be good enough haha.
Aurora is more THE tank for magic heroes. Her violet skill reduces magic hits very well and hits even back. She has not much armor but for this a dodging ability. If she is not lucky, she gets often hard physical damage. You can combine her with Astaroth, he will reduce exactly the physical damage but he will take also some damage if she dodges 🙃 Galahad has no own armor penetration which means later, you won't get much self healing.
I saw that combo too sometimes 👍 nebula has the big advantage if Isaac uses his ultimate with her sphere, the amount of his armor reduce is unbelieveable 😉 that's why even a double tank combo doesn't work properly. But yes, it depends on timing and that is also a disadvantage. Your team works more consistent 👌
I always gain so much information from your videos! Thanks for working hard!
Me too 😉 thanks for comment ❤️
Full cover of subject. No stone unturned as always 👏👏👏
Thank you ✌️🙂
Love all your video's, this is another great one. Already really looking forward to the fire siblings one :).
I do want to say though, the progress team seems to have a design philosophy that is too strong. There is no tactical way to counter at all, no real weakness either. It seems a departure from the old teams and hero balancing. Though, similar to fart. Countering it comes down to a few very small weird timing interactions and MASSIVE all-out dmg output. I really don't like it - it doesn't seem like a healthy game-balance philosophy to allow this
And I love your comments 😉❤️
That's true but I think we will see a new hero one day, who counters shields 🤣
The niche heroes counters the next niche heroes and so on. Good business for Nexters 🙈
Alvanor hard counters Astrid. Ginger is better anyway
In this order of ideas, this team works better with Astrid than with Ginger
Im Großen und Ganzen ja 🙂 es bietet mehr Vorteile als die Ginger Variante. Aber es hat natürlich auch Nachteile, wie z.b. die fehlenden Buffs für Lucas. Würde er dir buffs bekommen, dann wäre das ganz klar die beste Variante. Leider fehlt das, weshalb dann manchmal der aoe Schaden von Ginger sehr nützlich ist 🙃 problem an dem team ist, dass alle Helden gut entwickelt sein müssen. Kann also für Anfänger durchaus ein schwerer Anfang werden, weil Julius einfach kein Tank im klassischen Sinne ist. Man kann aber mit z.b. Astaroth gegensteuern
Nice video, subscribed. I often see Sebastian instead of Nebula.
Thanks 👍❤️
Yes, Sebastian is also a nice subsitution 🙂 he counters Phobos too. Nebula has a bigger synergy effect in my opinion but both are nice
@@herowarssuddendeath Both versions are well countered by the Keira Fafnir with Morrigan Corvus and another Tank.
But that Progress teams feels OP, a bit like Fart, it's clearly "above" other teams. It's sad to see Nexters are going the (even more) greedy way.
On another topic, I've watched a few other videos. You ability to grasp game mechanics is on the master Yoda level lol. Thanks for sharing. Definitely going to recommend watching your videos on the guild discord.
Thank you very much 🙂✌️
Yes it's definitely one of the best setups (JJI synergy). The mechanic can't be really stopped until now but I think we will get more ways to counter shields one day 🙂 satoris rework was also very op but now it looks different 🙃
Awesome analysis.
How did you find those counter?
Maybe Helios team work because of weapon artifact buff + Krista mag debuff.
Thanks 🙂 I'm always looking what other players are using plus my own experience. So there are probaly more ways to win 😉
Hello. What about Julius-Judge-Nebula-Isaac-Astrid vs Julius-Isaac-Ginger-Sebastian-Jet? Can you make a short video?
Hey, I have not the necessary heroes for your test 🙃 the astrid version team killed julius fastly (and now judge is missing), so it's more 4 vs 5 (6).
Ok. Thanks
What about JJNIA vs JJNAI (Amira)?
Thanks for the video. Love your work. Is Kayla and Aidan a great solution against them?
Thanks too 🙂✌️ I havn't seen that fight, so I can only guess. Kayla & Aidan without the right assist will probably lose.
Alright bro, so do you like the Ginger Progress META or A&L Progress META better? Also, Twins with Krista tanking beats the Ginger META does that work vs A&L variant also?
🤣 the Astrid version has some more usecases, so it's the better allrounder. But like I said, Lucas gets no buffs and that makes the Ginger variant more powerful during the whole fight.
Lucas has a tactical advantage and he pushes your tank back. So Krista could be stand suddenly at position 2
I cant believe astrid and lucas survived to Iris. Battle min 2:20
That was due to the fact of non maxed heroes. The other fight was max vs max
For JJI team, i am split between A&L + Sebastian or A&L + Nebula. Which do you think is better? Seb or Neb? is there a difference in late game?
Both are good but I prefer nebula 🙂 even against amira I never use Sebastian.
Sebastian is strong when the rng god is with you. Nebula has the consistent boost for you.
So I would decide depending on your other wish heroes. If you want yasmine then go for seb. If you want iris/heidi then nebula 🙂
Quick question: if I usually use my Arachne in the front line (1st or 2nd spot) so she’s gonna be a “tank” most of the time, should I use armour or health skin for her?
(I’m on hero wars mobile)
Hey, all skin values are active at the same time. So you don't have to decide which one you use for the stats (it's only for the visual effect) ✌️
@@herowarssuddendeath thank you. I guess in my case my question should be should I focus on increasing stats for health or armor for my Arachne since she’s usually on position 1 for my team?
Health is always a hard decision because it influences your energy gaining too. She has at max 356k which is very high, without still 250k.
Armor has a similar effect but at max you have only a real effect against: Artemis (26% reduction), Jhu (26%), QingMao, Andvari, Isaac (59%).
The unwritten rule: as long you have no problems stay at this point until you get problems 😉
@@herowarssuddendeath haha ok thank you! I was just debating on whether I should focus on which one to strengthen her. Coz she’s generally ok but in some instances she died too quickly
That's why Julius was introduced 😉
Isaacs shield + judges shield are helping too. Btw she needs magic penetration assist for more damage = more self healing
Hi, will you make a video about the new twins teams?
Hi, yes it's in progress 👍
Very nice especially that part there you share how to counter it. Those teams a very annoying., i will try xesha, phobos, iris, lilith combo, thank you very much. Btw. it could be interesting to find how to counter Kayla+Aidan, undeads not working well, as everyone expected
Thanks 🙂👍 just for info: the ironics counter needs also well developed heroes 🙈 especially Phobos. That is the problem or the good thing 🙃
Yes, I think they will be my next video 🙂 yeah I know what you mean. Generally they work
Same with no. 1 player in my server but the marksman he uses is Ginger which is pretty strong
Yeah I talked in my previos JJI video more about Ginger 🙂 it's a very great team synergy 👌
Great Video.
Do you have a Video for Kayla and aiden planned?
Thank you 🙂 ✌️ yes, I think the next will be fiery twins 👍
@@herowarssuddendeath siblings...not twins bro ;)
@@robertcatania1120 twins is a little bit shorter to write 😜
@@herowarssuddendeath haha definitely!
Have you tried the Nature team with Darkstar instead of Orion against PROGRESS?
I have seen it and if I remember right, it failed 🤔
Great video thanks good work
Thanks for the nice comment 👍
as always great work ... looks like I am very glad I raised Iris ... not done jet so ... looks like Luther is realy a weapon I will need in my arsenal soon :/
Thank you for your nice comments as always 😉❤️
I like Iris too but she is a little bit hard to handle, similar to Keira but in the magic way. Luther is nice and I'm building him too. But a 5 skins hero is always not so easy (except you have the money left 🤣)
Can I counter progress team with ASTA jorgen xesha faceless Amira ?? Or i must replace amira with Lilith?
No it doesn't work. The only way I got 8:2 was with Asta Jorgen Xesha Amira Aidan
@@herowarssuddendeath what about ASTA jorgen xesha Amira Lilith ?
@@herowarssuddendeath or ASTA jorgen xesha iris Lilith
Both worked 10:0 👍
But if I change attack/defense it's also 10:0 against Amira
Iris is strong vs astrid so here 2:8
What about Julius-Judge-Isaac-Nebula-Astrid vs Julius-Judge-Isaac-Sebastian-Ginger?
Love your videos BTW.
Thank you very much 🙂❤️
Ginger 0 : 10 Astrid
@@herowarssuddendeath thanks. nebula's soul stones r a problem. instead of nebula, if I use sebastian will I get same effect?
@Mehmet-yc3ff ginger 0: 10 astrid
If I don't have Alvanor in team, can Mushy Mojo and orion beat this Lucas team?
Yes, include Luther & Xesha ✌️
Which one is better Nebula or Sebastian
Lucas doesn't get the buffs, which makes them weaker after the overlapping speed buffs. Nebulas boost on Isaacs ult helps Lucas a lot too but the additional pure damage can be nice to. So it's hard for me to say this one is better but personally I like more the Nebula combos (especially with Ginger)
Which skin of mojo and alvanor should buy first?
Mojo health is overall nice
And his magic defense to resist against a normal iris
Alvanor? Or Astrid?
@@herowarssuddendeath alvanor
Hm Alvanors aurora depends on Magic Attack, so this one is pretty good
Health is very helpful because he dies often quickly
Armor is nice too but only to be protected by Yasmines ultimate
So I would say health/magic attack
@@herowarssuddendeath which skin of mushy should be prioritize to buy? Thanks for ur answer
I would say it depends on your situation 🙃 if you face a lot of kaylas (without tristans) the armor skin helps a lot.
If you face more iris (without nebula) then the MD skin helps.
If nothing of them then I would go for the magic attack skin 🙂
so which is better ginger or astrid
For attack Ginger and for def Astrid 🙂
Hi, how can i beat this team? Julios Amira Nebula Judge AND Isaac plz
Hi, if you have Sebastian you can use him to counter Amiras crit fumble.
The bot has different suggestions:
julius judge sebastian isaac ginger
Julius yasmine sebastian isaac ginger
Cleaver tristan yasmine artemis fafnir
Mushy Orion Mojo line
Corv Keira Morri Face Fafnir
Ziri Asta/Andvari Keira Iris Fafnir also works
👍🙂
Hi, can Mushy team with Jasmines?
Yasmine needs only someone with armor penetration buff or/and Sebastian. So it's possible but you need mojo for mushy.
Phobos iris nebula morrigan Corvus
Fafnir Keira Andvari Tristan Asteroth (for variants)
Thanks 👍
Did you see Nebula+Dante shocked dmg this trio =)) Just test it yourself and see how Nebula boost sphere dmg, almost can kill Julius within 2 atk
Dantes ult is very strong and has a big multiplier 👍 but AP is necessary
How about cut nebula for sebastian
Here is Sebastian medium. Astrids attacks are single ones and Lucas doesn't get the crit buff. So you have only mainly for Julius the additional damage. For Ginger it makes more sense because of her aoe attacks
After 5 days, on mobile I currently have my main team of:
Isaac, Arachne, Celeste, Morrigan, Thea as my top 5. (Level 44)
Still have Maya, Kiera, Jhu who are close in power.
Next I have Astaroth, Faceless, QingMao, Galahad, who are much lesser equipped with items and power.
What do you think of my current main team, and how do I strengthen it by making any strategic changes?
One day your Arachne needs magic penetration assist to do some damage and to have her as tank is not the best overall solution.
Isaac is not bad but better with julius judge and nebula.
So I would stay what I've told you already in the other comment 🙂
@@herowarssuddendeath 🙏
Just that I already spent more resources on Isaac (he’s the most powered now), so it would be a waste to leave him out haha. Not sure how to properly synergise everyone 😅
I only started the game less than 2 days ago and currently at level 25. This is my current team:
Morrigan
Arachne
Thea
Astaroth
Galahad
On my bench I have
Aurora
Maya
Phobos
Keira
Fox
Who do you think I should focus on building to make my team a stronger overall team?
For new players are generally the special hero events a good chance to get a strong hero.
I like Keira and I have started with her too. She is very strong. Focus at first on her (your team has no damagedealer, keira is one 🙂). Try to focus on her armor penetration. It must be higher than the armor of your enemies, results will be great
@@herowarssuddendeath thanks for the tips! Who should I replace with, in my current top 5?
Astaroth and Morrigan are not working well together (you will steal your own resurrection).
If your Galahad can hold the front, replace Astaroth with Keira.
And if have situations where your Galahad can't properly tank, replace Morrigan with Astaroth.
Maya is for the tower very very strong if you keep your energy full for the next fight (endless healing)
@@herowarssuddendeath thanks for the tips! I cleared the tower level 50 already. Also I used Aurora to replace my Galahad as my tank. (But no idea why Aurora seems to always die early)
My Astaroth is already a blue 2 star while Keira is only green 1 star so it might take some time to groom her to be good enough haha.
Aurora is more THE tank for magic heroes. Her violet skill reduces magic hits very well and hits even back. She has not much armor but for this a dodging ability. If she is not lucky, she gets often hard physical damage.
You can combine her with Astaroth, he will reduce exactly the physical damage but he will take also some damage if she dodges 🙃
Galahad has no own armor penetration which means later, you won't get much self healing.
i've had better results dropping nebula and using both astrid and ginger. having no ginger in the lineup has less knockout power, no real AoE dmg.
I saw that combo too sometimes 👍 nebula has the big advantage if Isaac uses his ultimate with her sphere, the amount of his armor reduce is unbelieveable 😉 that's why even a double tank combo doesn't work properly. But yes, it depends on timing and that is also a disadvantage. Your team works more consistent 👌
This team comp is too strong. Needs nerf.
It's definitely strong 👍
If you don't have the right other setups, it's impossible to kill anyone 🙃