iPhone 16 vs iPhone 12 Speed Test

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  • Опубликовано: 1 дек 2024
  • iPhone 16 vs iPhone 12 Speed Test - Apple iPhone 16 just launched to the World. In this episode, we’re gonna take a look at the Apple iPhone 16 vs iPhone 12 in multiple speed test comparisons to help you find out which is going to be the one for you. The iPhone 16 features a 6.1 inch display also comes with the Apple A18 chip set and comes with a 8GB of ram and a 5 core GPU. iPhone 12 features a 6.1 inch display, Apple A14 Bionic CPU and 4 GB of ram and also comes with 4 Core GPU. If you have either iPhone 16 or iPhone 12, please consider leaving your thoughts, questions, comments, and experiences down below in the comment section of this video
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  • @nickackermanchannel
    @nickackermanchannel  Месяц назад +21

    iPhone 16 vs iPhone 12 Speed Test - In this video, we look at the 4-year difference between the base model iPhone 16 and iPhone 12 to see in detail the performance differences should you decide to upgrade! Share your thoughts, and enjoy the episode :) 🔥

    • @hafeezben6078
      @hafeezben6078 Месяц назад +1

      Hello sir. You have a very kind voice. I am from Sri Lanka. I watch all your videos. I am watching this on my father's laptop. i am 17 years old . I don't have any money to buy a phone. Could you give me 100 US dollars by paypal to buy a normal phone. I can pray for you. Sorry for disturb.

    • @anttikivi
      @anttikivi Месяц назад +1

      Well, if it's "only" four years difference between the models, I stay with my IP12, BTW, does grown-ups play games that are intended for kids nowadays?

    • @johnbrown9654
      @johnbrown9654 Месяц назад

      Hi how you doing I had the iPhone 11 but I have the 14 now had it for a couple of months but I did order the 16 at AT & T !

    • @Looooser69
      @Looooser69 Месяц назад

      I beg you do s 23 ultra vs base iphone 16

  • @parthivthegreat
    @parthivthegreat Месяц назад +79

    12 still would've been the perfect iPhone in 2024 only if it had a long-lasting battery life

    • @Mmereu74
      @Mmereu74 Месяц назад +2

      I suggest you to get the 13

    • @parthivthegreat
      @parthivthegreat Месяц назад +4

      @@Mmereu74 13 has significantly better battery life compared to 12, but I already use a 15 now

    • @Joe_mama-y8p
      @Joe_mama-y8p Месяц назад +2

      @@parthivthegreatbro was capping😂🤣

    • @redeem5858
      @redeem5858 Месяц назад +2

      @@parthivthegreatthere’s not really much of a difference between them battery wise

    • @parthivthegreat
      @parthivthegreat Месяц назад +1

      @@redeem5858 The 13 offers much better battery life compared to the 12. I've tested them both. The battery life of 12 is even worse than the 11.

  • @anshudipkarn
    @anshudipkarn Месяц назад +37

    I have an iphone 12 and i can vouch for the fact that ever since i updated it to ios 18, my phone's become slower than it was and shows degraded performance. i feel like it was a deliberate move from apple.

    • @zelhkomiladinivari72
      @zelhkomiladinivari72 Месяц назад +10

      That's right, that's what Apple is doing to force users of old phones to buy a new one from $1500-2000

    • @sugarrfree
      @sugarrfree Месяц назад +1

      Defo, they want you to buy their new product.

    • @Sensei_Leo
      @Sensei_Leo Месяц назад +2

      @@zelhkomiladinivari72 thats 1500 to 2000 is you wanting more phone storage.

    • @nathanbouquin9640
      @nathanbouquin9640 Месяц назад +2

      It not that deep bro. Your chipset is older meaning iOS needs more optimization needed to run all the new features smoothly. Future updates will smooth out the performance for your device.

    • @dimakonstanta1868
      @dimakonstanta1868 Месяц назад

      Now it also laggy? Maybe it was slower only in first few days after update and now it’s back to normal?

  • @user-mf9gs
    @user-mf9gs Месяц назад +18

    Same phone. All you’re getting with the newer phone is satellite connection, Dynamic Island, and 48MP camera (more megapixels isn’t really better).

  • @dylankim5460
    @dylankim5460 Месяц назад +44

    RESPECT to you for these tests

  • @puneetsharma1650
    @puneetsharma1650 Месяц назад +46

    I still have the 12th writing with same works like a charm except the battery

    • @InsighterofTech
      @InsighterofTech Месяц назад +11

      I loved 12s too but the battery makes me want to move on. Even the 13s have much better battery life

    • @puneetsharma1650
      @puneetsharma1650 Месяц назад +3

      @@InsighterofTech maybe i would change it up just got my wife a new iphone 15 works like a charm at 600 dollars

    • @How_do_we_know
      @How_do_we_know Месяц назад

      Battery health at 80% ???? Or ????

    • @suruj9860
      @suruj9860 Месяц назад

      @@puneetsharma1650 not related but how did you woo your wife

    • @OGTennyson
      @OGTennyson 28 дней назад

      ​@@suruj9860bro go outside and talk to ppl ffs😂

  • @bajke5591
    @bajke5591 Месяц назад +8

    As someone who doesn't do gaming on my phone, upgrading to 16 from my 12 Mini would save me like 15 seconds of waiting for stuff to load in total per day, not worth to upgrade yet. I will toss in a new battery soon and keep on using it probably until the support runs out in few years :)

  • @kaffeice7
    @kaffeice7 Месяц назад +8

    u can tell the difference tho , would be nice to see an old school battle, 11 vs 12

    • @heshamattia3643
      @heshamattia3643 Месяц назад

      You in a couple of years: would be nice to see an old school battle between the iPhone 16 PM and 17 PM🙄

  • @maximumcobra8576
    @maximumcobra8576 Месяц назад +13

    Need more iphone 12 tests

  • @novelty9594
    @novelty9594 3 дня назад +1

    450$ vs 900$ for slight differences

  • @Aerfinnuhan
    @Aerfinnuhan Месяц назад +93

    12 is The Value For Money Ever!

    • @emi_0311
      @emi_0311 Месяц назад +5

      How should I believe you if you can barely even spell money right?

    • @Aerfinnuhan
      @Aerfinnuhan Месяц назад +2

      @@emi_0311 i mean Second hand market

    • @1stsillyplays
      @1stsillyplays Месяц назад +2

      For gaming gud?

    • @Aerfinnuhan
      @Aerfinnuhan Месяц назад +2

      @@1stsillyplaysYeah absolutely

    • @Gcyrusin
      @Gcyrusin Месяц назад

      Depens on what game you play ​@@1stsillyplays

  • @serialtoon
    @serialtoon Месяц назад +8

    Bro said "faster battery" lol

  • @Hello-ib9dz
    @Hello-ib9dz Месяц назад +9

    going from iphone 12 to 16 pro max

  • @debopoporhypersaiyanidc6718
    @debopoporhypersaiyanidc6718 Месяц назад +5

    Hey Nick, what is your phone of the year? The phone that made you feel so happy with the purchase

  • @Janicepngs
    @Janicepngs Месяц назад +2

    I wanna see more design changes that just placing in a faster chip

  • @Nova-lu5mq
    @Nova-lu5mq Месяц назад +2

    13 is way better for the money, better performance, camera, battery life, and a slightly brighter screen.

    • @redeem5858
      @redeem5858 Месяц назад

      A lot of those differences are negligee coming from a 12 to a 13. A 13 would perform similarly in this test compared to the 16 and fall short

  • @markafc_
    @markafc_ Месяц назад +2

    iPhone 12 is still plenty good enough as daily driver.. Apple just making those G's changing the model number yearly while releasing basically the same device.

  • @keshannaidoo2
    @keshannaidoo2 Месяц назад +13

    Do an iPhone 1 vs iPhone 16 video
    Lets see how much has changed since then

  • @foman567
    @foman567 Месяц назад +4

    Can you do the same test but the iphone 12 is on ios 14, it is interesting to see if apple really "slows" down their phones

    • @nickackermanchannel
      @nickackermanchannel  Месяц назад +1

      Apple is not signing iOS 14 anymore, so no way to downgrade

    • @dimakonstanta1868
      @dimakonstanta1868 Месяц назад +6

      I’m on iOS 16 and my iPhone 12 don’t have so much stutters like in this video, when I opening many apps. So maybe iOS 18 slightly ruined perfomance on iPhone 12

    • @فارسالتميمي-ع7غ
      @فارسالتميمي-ع7غ Месяц назад

      @@dimakonstanta1868 My device has 17.7 and its performance is very good. + I did not like the 18'' look, but it is up to 17''. There is no shortage. The last batches of iPhone 12 come with the 17'' update from the factory.

  • @muzafferavcu518
    @muzafferavcu518 Месяц назад +2

    Hi Nick, do you think the iPhone 12 will be purchased in 2024 and is its performance sufficient?

    • @nickackermanchannel
      @nickackermanchannel  Месяц назад +2

      Yes for daily use, if you plan to game or heavy use I wouldn’t recommend due to low battery life and occasional slow down

    • @Nova-lu5mq
      @Nova-lu5mq Месяц назад

      Honestly 14 would be better since the performance is gonna be a lot better for games and 6gb ram makes a huge difference

  • @lifeisbeautiful7361
    @lifeisbeautiful7361 Месяц назад

    Thank you Nick! 😌😌

  • @MJGxo
    @MJGxo Месяц назад +2

    Video idea set the S24 to 60hz like the 16 and we see the difference in speed i feel like 120hz helps alot

  • @Adi-hr3tq
    @Adi-hr3tq Месяц назад +1

    Great video as always! However, this iPhone 12 feels so much slower than the 12 Pro on the video few days ago… 😢 I wonder if it’s due to the 6gb of ram for the 12 Pro… It’d be interesting to make a speed test between these 2 devices to see how they’ve aged 4 years later ^^

  • @HubelloViking
    @HubelloViking Месяц назад +1

    Hey, I'm curious do you use Display Zoom because your interface is much larger than normal. Or is it just the larger font?

  • @JesusGonzalez-li8fk
    @JesusGonzalez-li8fk Месяц назад

    Nick, after all that should i buy the Iphone 12 or Iphone 16?

  • @TheAppleGuy.
    @TheAppleGuy. Месяц назад

    Great video as usual! Can you do the iPhone 14 vs the iPhone 16 please?

  • @S___24_h
    @S___24_h Месяц назад +4

    hi neck please make a video about the iphone 11 pro because i am planning to get one soon please, thank you in advance ❤

    • @nickackermanchannel
      @nickackermanchannel  Месяц назад +5

      I have plenty of content on 11 pro, please type 11 pro followed by channel name :)

    • @S___24_h
      @S___24_h Месяц назад +1

      @@nickackermanchannelthank you bro

  • @rcmanoj
    @rcmanoj Месяц назад

    Nice video. How about video performance?

  • @silasseberlinsilva8567
    @silasseberlinsilva8567 Месяц назад +1

    do a speed test between S23 and the newer iphones please ❤

  • @patrickchong8581
    @patrickchong8581 Месяц назад +2

    The iPhone 12 is holding up great 👍🏻

  • @artdogg50
    @artdogg50 Месяц назад

    I found it intersesting that the 12 actually rendered a video faster. That was early in the test before it started to maybe lag a bit though. Would have loved to have seen that render test done again though, just to see how the 12 responded the 2nd time. First time was impressive though.

  • @lukic9276
    @lukic9276 Месяц назад +1

    i think they still slow them down a bit on purpose

  • @alberito4632
    @alberito4632 Месяц назад +11

    Why dont u test older galaxy phones

    • @Mike-uy7ph
      @Mike-uy7ph Месяц назад +2

      Apple fan boy, it's clear 😂😂, I bet he barely uses an s24 ultra

    • @cloudiiofficial7562
      @cloudiiofficial7562 Месяц назад +1

      Just nobodys intrested in watching laggy androids

    • @alberito4632
      @alberito4632 Месяц назад

      @@cloudiiofficial7562 ur a sheep and a d rider get out of here

    • @alberito4632
      @alberito4632 Месяц назад +4

      ​@@cloudiiofficial7562Also u didnt watch the video cuz the iPhone 12 was struggling 😂

    • @brandonlee7382
      @brandonlee7382 Месяц назад +1

      He used to but not much anymore sadly. I want to see how the s21 series holds up against the iphone 12 in 2024. Or s20.

  • @ad_edits06
    @ad_edits06 Месяц назад

    Just upgraded from the 12 to the 16 and it’s sooo much better plus I get double the gb which I really needed

  • @Mamerto.
    @Mamerto. Месяц назад

    hey Nick, can you do a zoom test with the 16 and 16 pro. I really like the telephoto lens so I am wondering if it is worth it. I do not care that much about 120fps but I really like the zoom.

  • @dereknweke1145
    @dereknweke1145 Месяц назад +1

    why is the iphone 12 acting this slow and choppy, even in the exiting of apps, it's way more laggy than normal

    • @chiranjeevbakshi8460
      @chiranjeevbakshi8460 18 дней назад

      IKR, I had 12 before 15 PM and there were obviously some differences but not this much and it had degraded battery as well but it never lagged or acted slow like this. Something doesn’t add up

  • @Adamtendo_player_1
    @Adamtendo_player_1 Месяц назад

    This is a comparison between the iPhone iPhone 12, it’s interesting that the older iPhones in General with all of your testing seems to boot up faster which shows that Apple needs to optimise for the new iPhones that is when we probably see a real difference but overall a day-to-day usage I think overall there is not gonna be much different and that you showed in wildlife extreme. The real differences will come in CPU and GPU intensive tasks.

  • @justino9042
    @justino9042 Месяц назад

    14:39 that was a ghost touch issue i have notice in some of your videos some ghost touches issues with your phones there is something wrong with some of the screens they are doing nowadays.

  • @TimCarlenius
    @TimCarlenius Месяц назад +1

    Can you make a iPhone XR vs 16 video

  • @mikldude9376
    @mikldude9376 Месяц назад

    No one would buy an iPhone 12 for gaming , i have an iPhone 12 Pro Max as a secondary device, and it does general duties , browsing the web , looking at RUclips’s ,sending texts, doing my groceries list , taking the odd phone call while my 14 is on charge , , checking emails just fine , mine still has 89% battery health .
    When i bought my 14 pro max initially i thought to myself , there was not much difference in speed for general duties, however after using the 14 for a while i could see the improvement in screen brightness which imo was a bit of a weak point out in the bright sun for the 12 series , the other noticeable improvement from the 12:to the 14 series was low light photography, the 12 was a bit weak in that area in certain circumstances , and quite a decent jump in that area on the 14 as you would expecton a 2 year newer model.
    I have almost zero issues in day to day general stuff on the 12, and it still has a decent screen apart from lacking a bit of brightness outdoors , it also has quite decent speaker volume .
    And as an old android boy of 12 years , i still clear the apps after using them 😊force of habit so , i rarely see any slow glitchy loads .
    I think if you got a 12 for dirt cheap with the intention of only keeping it for a year or had one in good condition that you just use for general duties , imo you could certainly go another year without spending big bucks on a newey unless you want the whizz bang AI when it eventually arrives , personally im just not all that excited for it , as i am not convinced for those of us who just use a phone like phone doing basic duties that AI will make a big difference , im happy to be proven wrong though.
    One nice thing about having two iphones , and that is if one is on charge you can do other stuff as i mentioned like doing your groceries list list , or whatever , and when you get them together just put them close together and the data from one instantly updates to the other .

  • @truthteller2711
    @truthteller2711 Месяц назад

    Planning on upgrading to the 16 pro from the regular 12 purely due to battery and ram issues 😅

  • @فارسالتميمي-ع7غ
    @فارسالتميمي-ع7غ Месяц назад

    My device is a new 12 and even the old one is still considered faster than the 7 Plus even after this age and it outperforms the average Android with ease. The difference now is not comparable to the difference before.

  • @Vincent13997
    @Vincent13997 Месяц назад

    How much power does you phone need to make calls?

  • @albertonvacation2462
    @albertonvacation2462 29 дней назад +1

    I still have the iPhone 12 Pro Max and and see no Reason to upgrande

  • @payday873
    @payday873 Месяц назад

    I have a iPhone 12 watch SE airpods 2 pro I have noticed every since I updated my phone that things are happening with it phone freezing up and it's saying it's connected to a phone call on the watch but I look at the phone in nothing is connected

  • @danydepp8487
    @danydepp8487 Месяц назад +1

    I found:
    brand new iphone12/256 for $500
    brand new iphone16/128 for $1000
    they look the same, work the same... so went for the 500 cheaper one and 2 times storage better deal.

  • @welikeit_balkan
    @welikeit_balkan Месяц назад

    Just bought a 12 128gb for my mom, and I was really nicely surprised while setting it up how premium and modern it looks even today. I find using iPhone 12 quite enjoyable compared to my 15 pro I must admit. It's an amazing phone.

  • @Marcus5800
    @Marcus5800 Месяц назад

    I upgraded from the 12 to the 16. Very happy so far. ❤

    • @nickackermanchannel
      @nickackermanchannel  Месяц назад

      Awesome! Great to hear, I agree I'm happy with that change as well

  • @katrinagordon27
    @katrinagordon27 Месяц назад

    Do a review on the iPhone 16 plus vs iPhone 14 Plus

  • @fardeenmohammad2781
    @fardeenmohammad2781 Месяц назад +1

    Bro logic in nutshell
    When iPhone 12 wins: The app is not well optimised for iPhone 16.
    (Both have same screen size, refresh rate, iOS version)
    When iPhone 16 wins: yeah, as you can see it loaded the app faster. ( the app loads 0.3 sec faster).

  • @mikegaruda4270
    @mikegaruda4270 Месяц назад

    It’s crazy that ok 4-5 years they only changed the notch… so disappointing.

  • @_EllieLOL_
    @_EllieLOL_ Месяц назад +2

    Up until a couple weeks ago I was still using a 6s lol, I now have a Xs

    • @LowmanGames
      @LowmanGames Месяц назад +1

      @@_EllieLOL_ was the 6s even usable?

    • @_EllieLOL_
      @_EllieLOL_ Месяц назад +2

      @@LowmanGames yeah it was nearly as fast as the day I bought it, the battery life was horrible though so I kept it on a battery bank most of the time

    • @LowmanGames
      @LowmanGames Месяц назад +1

      @@_EllieLOL_ I actually had that model a long time ago. Such a testament to Apple that an almost 10 year old phone was actually usable and functional.

    • @_EllieLOL_
      @_EllieLOL_ Месяц назад +2

      @@LowmanGames I still use it at night to text, play music, and be an alarm so I’m not charging my main phone overnight to preserve the battery

  • @ExploracionesInexplicables
    @ExploracionesInexplicables Месяц назад

    12 pro max might not be a bad option is the one I would recommend if you on a tight budget (6gb ram) bigger battery everything wrong with the regular 12 fixed for you!

  • @torf_
    @torf_ Месяц назад +7

    2:11 faster battery lol

    • @nickackermanchannel
      @nickackermanchannel  Месяц назад +3

      lol I meant longer battery haha 🤣

    • @inSpacerr
      @inSpacerr Месяц назад

      @@nickackermanchannelyeah it drains faster battery lol

  • @abdelmonaimsamir2017
    @abdelmonaimsamir2017 Месяц назад

    I am watching from 6s plus and sometimes thinking to upgrade to the 12 version but in the end, I see that my current phone is still ok 😂 😂

  • @hermesles
    @hermesles Месяц назад +2

    Please be honest, i need you guys. So it is worth to change 12 for 16?

    • @GAMERGEBITER
      @GAMERGEBITER Месяц назад +5

      Maybe. But i would rather go with an 15 Pro if you can get it for the same price as the 16. 15 Pro is better in almost every aspect except a little smaller battery.

    • @_WF23
      @_WF23 Месяц назад +2

      I’d wait one more year for the 17. If you have to ask, then it probably isn’t worth it

    • @hermesles
      @hermesles Месяц назад

      @@GAMERGEBITER thank you, maybe should I wait for 120 Hz in iPhone 17? The only reason to not buy 16 is this 60Hz..

    • @katinasoutherland7693
      @katinasoutherland7693 Месяц назад +1

      Yes!!!!!!!!

    • @nickackermanchannel
      @nickackermanchannel  Месяц назад +2

      15 Pro is the one I’d pick as well, that being said, the 16 has better battery life by a good amount, a faster chip, and camera control button, and lighter

  • @iphonegameplay2005
    @iphonegameplay2005 Месяц назад

    I think 12 is still worth it performing good.

  • @2167PhillipM
    @2167PhillipM Месяц назад

    As a person in poverty the iPhone 20 will probably be out when I could afford the iPhone 16. I have the iPhone 12 used refurbished. I had to collect t cans for over 2 years to get it. And I’ll never have $800 for an iPhone 16 EVER.

  • @Egggcorn
    @Egggcorn Месяц назад

    12 is a goat the 16 is trippe the price but only double the performance

  • @JoshQ-mc4bb
    @JoshQ-mc4bb Месяц назад

    Still cant justify leaving my iphone se 2022

  • @dereknweke1145
    @dereknweke1145 Месяц назад

    there's an IOS 18 issue with the iphone 12, it's too irresponsive

  • @lucifera8610
    @lucifera8610 Месяц назад +1

    compare camera also

  • @_alper.b
    @_alper.b Месяц назад

    my iphone 12 on ios 18.0.1 is way smoother and faster than the one on the video, overheating caused too much lag and slowness

    • @dimakonstanta1868
      @dimakonstanta1868 Месяц назад

      Is your iPhone 12 overheating in real world usage (not like in the video when opening so many apps simultaneously)?

  • @akandeoluwafemi2869
    @akandeoluwafemi2869 Месяц назад

    Those iPhone 12 has red colour 😏 this my 1st time of knowing this

  • @Gbagbe
    @Gbagbe Месяц назад

    You forget about the battery!

  • @DisasterMaster3K
    @DisasterMaster3K Месяц назад

    The iPhone 12 base has the same single and multicore score as my google pixel 9 pro xl lmao

  • @justino9042
    @justino9042 Месяц назад

    14:39 even tho the iphone 16 is faster i do think the iphone 12 looks prettier, even tho i might not like the notch that much i think is fine, i think the programmed obsolecense exist in phones.

  • @MihilRanathunga1990
    @MihilRanathunga1990 28 дней назад

    Good on EU to make phones require replaceable battery.

  • @SoKit-u8p
    @SoKit-u8p Месяц назад

    how are you today

  • @Cyberlife800
    @Cyberlife800 Месяц назад

    After iOS 18 12 is way slower. In iOS 17 is better.

  • @MülayimSert-q2w
    @MülayimSert-q2w Месяц назад

    Iphone 16 models stands iphone 17.13🤨 bro get the iphone 17 from apple💀

  • @CSCharlesIV
    @CSCharlesIV Месяц назад

    same phone no... but it feels like an S upgrade in all but name.

  • @Matt_-um4ce
    @Matt_-um4ce Месяц назад +2

    I prefer the old notch

  • @nakibuzzaman5971
    @nakibuzzaman5971 Месяц назад

    12 battery problem sucks

  • @jcbartman1618
    @jcbartman1618 Месяц назад

    Bro every iPhone video is just a guy to promote sales. iPhone 12 works there’s not need to upgrade to any new one until ur phone dies. Ios18 sucks

  • @kzootedd
    @kzootedd Месяц назад

    Still the same phone ngl they just change the design little by litte every year🤷‍♂️

  • @andrejlences8732
    @andrejlences8732 22 дня назад

    iPhones are not what they used to be anymore.

  • @radger6392
    @radger6392 Месяц назад

    Similarity 60hz

  • @oreocookie3379
    @oreocookie3379 Месяц назад

    it's the same phone

  • @TheLawCat777
    @TheLawCat777 Месяц назад

    14:26 But its still there tho 😅

  • @frassefrazer
    @frassefrazer Месяц назад

    Same thing

  • @ashiknibir8084
    @ashiknibir8084 Месяц назад

    Apple best ecosystem

  • @GingerKillough-c4t
    @GingerKillough-c4t Месяц назад

    Hassan Rest

  • @ElyaGetter
    @ElyaGetter Месяц назад +1

    hi

  • @EDC-v4x
    @EDC-v4x Месяц назад +1

    Even the 12 is still better😂

  • @_WF23
    @_WF23 Месяц назад +1

    If you had one iPhone, you’ve had em all…

    • @nickackermanchannel
      @nickackermanchannel  Месяц назад +4

      Not really

    • @mikldude9376
      @mikldude9376 Месяц назад +1

      As Nick said , not really , there is definitely improvements as they go along.

  • @Mike-uy7ph
    @Mike-uy7ph Месяц назад

    💀💀

  • @SON-GOKU-UI-z3c
    @SON-GOKU-UI-z3c Месяц назад +1

    First one 🎉🎉

  • @olamilekanadedeji559
    @olamilekanadedeji559 Месяц назад +1

    Can I get an iPhone 12 from you? @nick ackerman