There's something to be said for the sheer confidence displayed by the fact that AvE is able to nearly completely disassemble a presumably 'non-customer-serviceable' device, point out its flaws and various pertinent features, and return said device to working order. All while keeping up a near-incomprehensible flow of Canadian slang-patter that, against all odds, turns out to be funny and oddly enlightening. Kudos, AvE!
Being Canadian and at not a great distance ( as distances go on the left coast ) from the author, I find his slang-patter most coherent and eloquent - albeit bordering on overly formal.
The reason for the relief valve is so when the hose gets clogged it still has some air flow so it doesnt overheat. Most vacs when they are clogged auto shutdown when they get too hot. That thing keeps it cool so it doesnt overheat. However its also going to be a pain in the cunning linguals to clear a clog since the vac loses its oomph.
Yup. That's the one. They are supposed to open at near full clog. You know when you put your hand on the end and a split second later the sound changes and gets louder? That's the valve opening at full clog. In practice the only time this happens is when you suck up your couch pillow or something like that.
The air bypass valve is used because it's a flow-through vacuum motor which does not have a cooling fan. In a flow-through motor the the vacuumed air is directed through the motor for cooling. When you block the vacuum airflow the actual load on the motor drops and the motor spins faster because the impeller is stalled but you have also eliminated the motor cooling.The bypass valve allows some cooling air to flow through the motor even if the vacuum air flow is blocked.
Not to mention that style compressor just like the turbo he compared the bypass valve to will have a surge limit and the surge of the compressor could be strong enough to be destructive to a plastic compressor, not to mention it could occur at an rpm that may be destructive to both impeller and motor.
Another function of having a bypasse valve before any of the dirt separation would be that in the event of hose blockages the by pass can open allowing suction on the stuck obstruction to decrease allowing the mass to loosen and separate down to a less dense more manageable size that if spread out enough it will let air to start bringing the material from front of the blockage and in a sense get a fresh bite on pulling the rest through otherwise the blockage would of only blocked airflow and only made the pluge denser so it's actually a benefit to the system hard to put in concept other then it's basically the same idea as using your hand to plug the front of a hose when plugged to ramp up the suction and letting it all lose at once to clear the air way but on the Dyson does that automatically n. By the way great idea stretching the spring does wonders on the physics of this effect. Thanks for the great vijeaos I always learn loads appreciated
That little attachment with the two brushes spinning opposite each other is the best damn thing I've ever to get dog hair off my couch. I've got a chocolate lab that sheds like it's his job and after a couple passes that thing makes it look like I don't have a dog. It's friggin incredible.
I second that, and it blasts the fine dander out of the microfiber upholstery. The static cling on the plastic is stonger than the suck, so you know its working as the crud builds up.
the vaccum brake helps keep the motor cool. it uses all the air flow to cool the motor so if you plug it up or the filter will not flow enough air anymore you dont have a few hundred watt heater inside a plastic ball.
It could also be to prevent all the plastic components on the vacuums side from exceeding its elastic limit. I.e to prevent plastic component failure due to obstruction
The thermal cutout is usually of the latching type..it has a little heating element in it. You have to turn the thing off and wait for the element to cool down..if you don't turn the thing off it will stay off.. Dyson..over complicated junk.
It would be interesting if you could get a hold of a Miele vacuum. The higher end models (> $500) are still made in Germany and are supposed to be pretty serviceable.
I've got one. The Miele is solid but lightweight, quiet and powerful. It's nicely put together with nice materials and most importantly is doesn't look like an alien abortion, it looks like a vacuum.
Kirby Vacuums are where its at. Never had a Miele, but I've had a Sebo, don't get me wrong that was a Nice vacuum. But man, talk about user serviceable, you can take it half the kirby apart by hand, and the rest of the way with basic tools.
betting he just asked that fishing for comments cuz I thought this guy was the Gandalf of product engineering until he asked what seemed like the immediately obvious application of the valve.
It's main purpose is to stop the motor from over speeding. When there is no airflow the heat gain is minimal due to reduced current, but the risk is the armature can trow it's windings or commutator with effectively unloaded free running.
Some days ago I've seen a package with a label on it saying "Nicht mit Kettensäge öffnen" (do not open with chainsaw) and I was like "who would open a package with a chainsaw".... You, Sir, did. Luckily your package didn't have the label on it :D
Hey AVE, Once a vacuum salesman came to my door. He said his vac was higher performing than the one I had, (an old Kirby). He was sooo surprised when I pulled out a gas meter, as like found on the house to measure cubic feet of natural gas from the utility company (big grey thing). Well I put his rig a sucking to it for one minute and noted the cubic feed of air that had passed. Then I did the same suck to test with my old Kirby. The salesman was astounded to see that the old Kirby was a better mother sucker than his mother chucker. He had no choice other than to concede defeat, and I wished him a good day sir. He left shaking his head, never having known the challenge he would endure and emerge from, licking his woulds from this dethronement.
Interesting! You can also use a water meter to compare (but not measure) air flow. I once used a vacuum cleaner on a water meter in reverse to get the numbers down a bit before I sold it on eBay.
@@saltrocklamp199 you are lucky, because if you have children or my God it's like every single day or at least once a month or if you have that ex-wife that happens to go ahead and suck up like a whole kids shoe and you wonder how the hell it got up there.... I have seen some s*** and s*** accessories. Lol.
The bypass valve is to pass a UL 1017 test where the inlet to the vacuum is sealed off for several hours until an “ultimate result” occurs (ie death & destruction), or it gracefully keeps running until the test duration is complete. It’s far easier / cheaper to just leak cooling air for this test, than to design the cheap thermoplastic enclosure & copper clad aluminum winding motor to fail safely in a consistent manner, & FAR more cost effective than the auto-resetting thermal fuses that have their own design challenges to prevent nuisance tripping. And the BS about it preventing drapes & dicks from being sucked in is BS; every manufacturer would love to get rid of the bypass valve & wants the highest amount of peak suction at the end of the hose, especially in Europe where “Air Power” numbers are apart of the marketing figures, which bypass valves often negatively impact if designed cheaply. This valve is only actuated when the suction side of the vacuum is blocked, well at least that’s the way Dyson tunes them (their large piston w/ only a small piston area exposed to atmospheric pressure causes a “hysteresis effect” that requires a lot of suction pressure to actuate the valve, but not very much to keep it wide open, thus maximizing air power performance AND safety). Other manufacturers are FAR less competent / cheap in their engineering design, as well as engineering ethics, so these valves are confusedly designed to behave in a linear fashion & always leak a little bit even during normal operation, or they use a literal hole to leak all the time to pass the UL “Blocked Inlet” test, among other nefarious things & closed door consensus based decisions that I can’t go into detail with due to legal agreements... Will probably find a pretentious letter taped to my door next week... ;) If you think that Dyson is a POS, you should take a look at the absolute pure crap being sold by the other brands! Dyson has far better design & manufacturing quality than the rest, & non-intuitively do stand up to hard / abusive reliability & durability testing quite well in the complex linkage BS they often use; however, they are way overpriced, because quite literally everyone else is selling modularized cost reduced garbage made in a few factories in the Guangdong Province of China... Shark / Europro is pretty much the only exception besides Dyson regarding design & manufacturing quality, even though they also employ manufacture in these same ‘white good’ factories, albeit on a different floor. Miele is also quite nice regarding design robustness, but even more overpriced & poorer performing than the mainstream brands. If you want a vacuum that doesn’t spew a bunch of sub-micronized dust-mite poop & dead skin into the air, Dyson & Shark are your two best options by a light year, w/ Dyson being superior. Now I’m definitely getting a letter taped to my door! ;)
It's funny that's a panasonic motor. I still have an old panasonic vacuum cleaner (garage and patio use only nowadays). They built the damn thing with so much suction, you could barely move it on a rug. The directions told you to leave the "accessories" port unlatched so that it would operate correctly. 30 years old and still sucks up leaves, twigs, small mammals, whatever.
@@whatelseison8970 or a floor sweeper. Anything is better then shovelling plastic like dog turds. Fast food. Or move up in the world and get a trade. But you chose that job as you have the ambition of a paralysed snail.
Miele, Sebo, riccar. Take a pick, all of them will be better, but can go over $1000 depending on the model. Plus none of them have the marketing, aesthetics, or availability of dyson, which is why dyson is still popular as a premium brand.
ac3ofspades878 Teardown a Kirby. I've done it many, many times. They put everything to shame. I have several Kirbys in the family and a Miele. I like that Miele a lot, but the Kirbys will be around way after it's gone.
The valve is to keep the 200 lb gorilla from getting the dingus end stuck in it, or keeping little johny from sucking his siblings eyeballs out if there headbone.
It’s for cooling the motor when the hose is plugged. My fein vac has two fans, one just for cooling the motor. It does not rely on air drawn through the filter bag. A MUCH better design!
AVE if i may be of some help to your question at 10:54 . most likely the reason behind the valve is to prevent the turbine blades from rotating too quickly. i learned this when i was younger by having a small air compressor for blowing up pool toys. it had the same setup and i noticed that when i covered the holes with my finger, the turbine blew up inside the housing. I think the airflow puts just enough friction on the blades to keep them from centrifugally destroying themselves.
I agree. Pretty much anything built to move air (fans) will move much faster than designed when you remove the resistance that air provides. I've measured fan speed on my laptops cooling fan and when I covered the intake the speed increased from 3,000 to 4,000 rpm and you could hear the change as well.
I agree, the motor is cooled by the working air. If there's a blockage in the airflow caused by an obstruction that goes unnoticed for any length of time, the bypass valve still allows some air through the motor for cooling.
With a shop vac, the cooling airflow is usually separate from the cleaning path, so blocked inlet is both less load, and more cooling air as the RPM goes up. Residential vacs use the cleaning airflow to cool the motor. If airflow goes to zero, even though the load goes down, the cooling airflow can go to zero. Not a good mix.
Love it. The vacuum vent valve choocherator is there for the common times you may suck up a bottle cap, or something plugs the vacuum hose. The vacuum gets a wee reprieve, and can keep sucking air instead of stalling. If it can't flow any air, that Panasonic motor will go Chernobyl.
I bought two Dyson vacs when I lived in the UK. They were amazing. Moved back to the states and didn't think twice about getting one here. I was about as disappointed as in this video. Mine wouldn't pick up Labrador dog hair on the first pass. I needed to go over an area at least twice. Since I knew the Dysons in England did a fantastic job with the same dog hair from the same dog, I called tech support. I was floored when they told me the units made in the US had smaller motors than the UK counter parts because the American market was more interested in the way it looked, whereas the British market wanted an effective product. I actually did some research and had to buy something else to clean. Unfortunately I bought it online and couldn't return it. It sits next to my dryer to clean the lint trap. Wish I seen this video about 10 years ago.
Thanks. I did some research and fumy as it sounds there was a kenmore something or other that was high rated and a decent price. Its been working great ever since. Thanks again for the suggestion.
ntdude4 Interesting that tech support told you that, given that they sell the same models in Europe and USA, other than also selling the upright model in USA.
That valve makes it cheaper for the motor to comply with it's wattage rating. That motor is wattage regulated by air resistance and the motor is designed to a minimum wattage to save money(more wattage means thicker copper winding and more copper), if the motor over spins from lack of air resistance more wattage will flow over-heating the copper winding or popping a circuit breaker. It probably also helps it pass national compliances mandates for the motor's approved wattage use.
I bet its cooling too. These things cool by air circulation through them. when things plug up, the air heats up and the motor dies. This is a common failure mode with cheap shop vacs. Fein shop vacs have external motor cooling and can run forever with the intake clogged. Just a guess though.
but whats the sales rate on these? if they are the most popular ones then it kinda makes sense.. you need to know the amount sold vs the amount returned
And then you take it back to the store and they hand you a new one, no questions asked. Certainly overpriced for all the marketing 'wank', but the built in disposable/replaceable appliance is accounted in there for those willing to march it back into the store (whether or no you agree with the disposable tech that runs rampant these days)
They have a negative designs department : dedicated to adding as many failure points as possible without the thing falling apart in the box. At this rate electronics will come with a Best Before date on them...
I'm sure this has been said, but you shouldn't have messed with that bypass spring. That spring opens to allow air into the impeller at a certain pressure as you know, but what you don't know is that it's there specifically to eliminate compressor stall. This allows the suction to remain at full (-) pressure even when the vacuum has been placed flush on the carpet or couch or whatever. In this condition other vacuums would reach minimum airflow and then stall the impeller, virtually eliminating any suction. With the bypass present this never happens, allowing suction to continue even in very low airflow conditions. This is a really great feature that it seems you failed to appreciate. That being said, I love all your videos and would love to see more high end industrial equipment torn down. Also it would be super cool if you tore down a worn out transmission and explained how it all works, failure modes, etc. Keep up the good work!
Mickleblade Yes, woodworking factories use cyclones the size of a semi trailer. The one where i worked years ago had a 3', or 1 meter pipe going into it, and a 350hp motor.
It spins it out into slower airflow where it loses the bouncy and dynamics to float it, and it falls out of suspension. Of course, the poor dust particles get really too, and it's completely inhumane.
We made a 5 gallon bucket into a cyclone prefilter to extend the time we had sucking up drywall dust in a shop vac beating out the filter! added a good 2 or 3 times more run time betweens cleaning :)
Not _too bad_ as far as pronunciation goes.. i bet there's some German tribe in AvE's family history. No surprise with an name like that (surely must be "Adolf von Eberhoden").
We have a 7 year old Dyson, and the chintz factor is off the charts, but somehow not a single thing has gone wrong with it. It's got all the same flimsy plastic linkages and such for the switches, but all of them still work fine, and we're not exactly gentle with the vacuum. It's really quite amazing to me. Ours has user-serviceable washable filters that come out very easily and are cleaned with a good water soak. I've had to cut threads and hair off the brushes, but that's it as far as service goes.
Isaac Fortner If you have a 7 year old Dyson, this is likely to have a less complicated structure. The wheels on these Dysons break off very easily. Already seen 4 of these Big Ball cylinders with broken wheel shells within 6 months of launch.
I think they saved costs on the switches etc. as it’s not likely to be used that much so for a 10 year lifetime being pressed a few times each week for average user that flimsy mechanism should last. I’ve gotten broken parts on my dc54 but I blame my wife’s long hair that wrapped around the wheel bearing and took me a good half an hour to remove and ended up having to rip off the wheel and now it won’t click back on the same as before!
"Might've saved someone else from making the same mistake" ... Dyson did $2.5 billion in revenue in 2016. They sell a fuckload of suck machines. Averaging that they were all this model, at $600/pop, they're selling 4.2 million of them annually. Your videos usually get around a quarter million views, the Dyson one tons more, call it a wash around that many people who were going to buy that now won't.. that's a solid 8% of their marketshare you just shoved your dingus into, probably triple that if you consider only the impact on this particular model. Either way, that's $150,000,000 they won't be sucking up their hoses this year. Attaboy. In other news... I know you lament the idea of being beholden to anyone, but, Chickadee might like her own Caribbean Island for her 10th birthday, and the people who saved money from this teardown sure ain't gonna send you a thank you cheque.... just sayin'...
That's assuming all 250,000 people who viewed this video intended to buy this Dyson. Unfortunately it's probably on the order of 0.1% of the viewership, if not lower.
MrCrowley - When word gets out, and when people search, I bet it'll be something like that. The impact will but beyond view count and the last two dyson videos did 3 million views combined. The conversations that happen off screen, after church, etc are where the gossiping is done. People buy what is popular, and if you know something or give it a rep before its popular, its all the ones people don't buy because their friends don't have it that makes the impact.
I hated Dysons, until my SIL got one for Xmas. She has the cordless v10 or whatever it is. I’m amazed by it. Then she got the Dyson hairdryer and it’s super quiet compared to a regular loud ass hairdryer. I really want one of those v10 cordless ones. It sucks in a good way, and fits quiet.
Haha just got the automatic reply and all responses are delayed due to the overwhelming success of their holiday promotion! Marketing on a customer support/complaint! Do they know no bounds!
Actually received an actual email back saying that the video has been sent to the engineering department! I bet those fellows will get a kick out of it and maybe even feel bad about how much they cheap out on these things.
Remember when these geniuses of marketing claimed hundreds of thousands of G's for their cyclonic separators. I did the calculations on them and sent them an email saying they were several orders of magnitude lower than claimed. They dropped that claim from their advertising. His venturi effect fans and heaters are another piece of marketing baloney. They claim they're fan-less but the fan is just hidden in the base. But I guess Dyson is probably rich making ignorant people think he's some engineering genius when in reality he's a snake oil salesman.
I think the marketing term for the fanless is obviously a misnomer, but the "idea" still stands as its advertised for being quiet and efficient without buffeting fan noise, which it does seem to do.
@Michael Patrick The marketing may be less than honest, but the early products were top notch. Friend of mine owns a janitorial company and almost all he uses are Earlier model Dysons. He said that he has tried all the other brands and they neither last as long, nor do as good a job.
Jelsma Outdoors I'm going with that valve is there to keep it from tearing holes in stuff. 12 in mercury will bend steel on a head that size, nevermind pulling a couch through that "lifetime" filter.
AfterDark3 That might be all and good in a non-t-bag vacusucker, in this case, the motorb is been clusterfucked by a large amount of plasteek. In other words, the motor might not burn up, but without airflow from the motor, The plastic will ment... and, well, I think i've said enough.
Grumble grumble, moan moan. We have 2 dyson vacuums. One we bought used on CL about 12 years ago and it’s still working wonderfully. Zero problems whatsoever. Sure, it’s no 1950’s Kirby in terms of construction/materials, but it also works about 100x better than my mom’s 40lb Kirby ever did.
Mitchell McCreath two times, the cycle starts at zero at t=0, goes up comes down through zero (count one) and back up to zero (count two), you don't count the one at t=0. Well, you could but then the last one (the third) would be the first of the next cycle. I think that makes sense.. lol. I'm just being a dork, feel free to correct me if I missed something.
Its easier (for me at least) to think of it as starting at the top of the wave, down to the bottom includes one zero-cross, and back up to the top includes the second, and completes on cycle or hz.
I loved that intro, but as a German I have to correct you. The right way to start your video would be "Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren, willkommen zurück in der Werkstatt. Hier haben wir 'Sir James praller Hoden'!" Instead of "praller Hoden" you could also say "mächtige Klöten" or "dicke Eier". But that "Fick dich Dyson!" was great. Props to you!
I love how we Germans are probably the only people to correct him on what he is saying instead of being happy our language is used. It was my first reaction too.
That little pop it valve is for jimmys johnson. You know so that he doesn't have to suffer from the crippling embarrassment of having his member stuck when his mother comes home from getting the groceries.
lol to me that is what charging an AR15 sounds like... (spring in buffer tube) makes a pez dispenser noise, I had to slap some grease on it to quieten it down (a dab'll do)
This guy is hilarious; just his wordages! 1st video I've seen of AvE and subscribed. Hope all the others are as informative/inventively insulting as this.
Your in for Alot of laughs Ave doesn't pull punches haha Calls it as it is... So refreshing in a pc sociaty that's forgotten truth is beautiful and fkin hilarious
perfectdiversion That reminds me of the time my grandfather gave me a reuseable hand warmer dated 1968. It still works great, but unfortunately people will still choose disposable chemical hand warmers. I suppose we really are living in an age where everything is engineered to fail and everything is disposable.
I went to school for engineering. everything is designed these days to last 3-5years before its degrated to be thrown away. Even vehicles are designed such ways. Its pathetic, and why i quite as i want my designednshit to last and be simple.
Ya it makes me very disappointed ☹️ because Dyson used to be great I had a yellow one and a DC35 ALLERGY i think it was indestructible and the filter and motor or easy to get to and they were well engineered The new Dyson's I do not like
I had same opinion 12 years back when i bought a dyson. However it still lives although heavily misused. Only had to replace the electric supply reel once because elec connection broken. But all the silly small parts are still alive.
They are still a good product but ridiculously overpriced. That said, if they are going to begin to have crap switch assemblies like that and more off the shelf components, for the same price, then their reliability is certainly going to be up for question.
My mother in law used to go thru a vacuum every year until she got a Dyson. That sweeper is still going after countless years and only had to have a new belt and brushroll after many years of hard use. Expensive yes, but not compared to all the cheaper units that would have needed to have been purchased instead. Overall, it’s been a right skookum choocher!
In England, every town has at least one "Dyson Repair Shop", but you don't see shops specifically for the repair of any other brand of vacuum cleaner. What does that tell you about their longevity eh? My old smiley face Numatic is still going strong after 18 years, what with it being just a motor with a power switch in a cylindrical case
arcadeuk yeah your right, Dyson are total shite, went to look for a new vacuum an the woman shows the good lady a Dyson, she dropped it once an the handle snapped clean off! I laughed that much I had to leave the shop!
My parents had one Dyson vacuum ever, and it died pretty much every time it sucked up anything that wasn't very light dirt. Basically, they are vacuums that don't do well at cleaning things that are actually dirty.
Dyson figured out how to fleece us. Like Apple they are no longer quality since they are born to fail. Great job on this review. Definitely in your debt. Saved me a handful.
Were they ever really quality, or were they just a marketing gimmick? about a dozen years ago, I switched over to a commercial vacuum made by sebo (sebo is overpriced in the US, but their vacuums are available half price from commercial supply places). It looks like an honest unit. I very briefly looked at the dyson stuff, but never really found anything that great about it - it seemed like $500 worth of plastic vacuum that had an expected lifetime of a couple of years.... ....and because of the giant profile, couldn't fit under anything. The sebo-made commercial vacuum at the time was actually cheaper. And made in Germany.
they are expensive, I found mine in the trash and put it through some burn tests, now i use it in my garage, it still works !, i was impressed but still too expensive for me.
TheChromestyle - is that a problem if the proprietary tech Dyson claims to have can operate with ANY source of suction and is independent of the motor technology for this model?
I would think that valve is for preventing a no *SUCC* event. You know like when you stick your hand over the hole and you can hear the motor RPM increase. Maybe some kind of protection for the motor in some way from over current event due to higher load. I actually have no idea if thats what its for, I'm talking out of my ass.
AvE - Thank's for the video. I picked up the stand up version of this model 5 years ago. The build quality is spooky however, not a plastic part has failed and the thing has beastly suction. The other thing is that all the parts come apart easily when I suck up something and it gets stuck in the vacuum. The thing is also very light weight and easy to use. Picked it up on Craigslist for $200.00 US. Will be sure to comment if / when it breaks. Thank you again. : )
Not completely. Dyson’s handheld vacuums are truly the best out there and are (at least in my opinion) worth the price, especially when they can be frequently gotten on sale. They really are the most powerful handheld units with the longest battery life. Expensive, yes, but unlike others they are a true vacuum that’s handheld. Apple doesn’t really have any products anymore that offer the best performance (or even functionality) in their class. Now as for some of Dyson’s other products like this POS...
Dyson have always had an amazing talent for combining poor engineering with over engineering and a massive advertising campaign targeting the ignorant.
Just now seeing this video July 2020. In my experience, vacuum cleaners rely on the airflow they draw to keep the motor assembly cool. If the intake gets clogged (which happens frequently in my home), then it cannot get the airflow it needs to keep cool. By including a relief valve to allow air intake, you can maintain enough airflow to keep the motor cool in the event of a clogged hose.
Those cheapo parts come in handy when someone breaks their $500 and tosses it and I can pick it up and fix it for the $5 replacement part (assuming they weren't just to lazy to unclog the Easter grass). I've never bought a vacuum yet.
N Ames What model is it? My Ultimate G Diamond Edition is about 15 years old and going strong. It may sound silly but I really want a Heritage II like my grandpa had in condition. The inflating bag always got me for some reason.
@It's-a me Megatron My dad was a Kirby salesman for a short time, and he got to keep a Heritage II.We got a new vacuum about 6-8 years ago(it's not as good, but Kirbys are pretty 'esspessive'); the Kirby still sucked, just not as well. I agree, seeing that bag puff up and flop around was kinda fun to watch.
Unfortunately, we don't. I was around 8 years old at the time otherwise I would have tried to fix it, and my dad wasn't as repair-minded then, so it got chucked. My grandparents recently gave us their Gen. 3 Kirby, so we have a lean, mean, cleaning machine again. We save that one for more serious vacuuming and use the lighter, cheaper one for everyday.
My experience is that when when we got the 2 Dysons home, we were amazed. However, within a couple of years, they both broke. We thought the first time was a fluke, but the next one was the same thing. Haven’t bought another one since......
The bypass vacuum valve (poppet valve) is provided to facilitate cooling airflow for the motor in the event the main vacuum airflow is blocked for any reason.
I have seen a $50 Bissell out perform a $500 Dyson. That same Bissell has went through a few belts, but it still works great. The Dyson is in a landfill in Tennessee.
I don't think a wastegate makes much, if any noise. The "pa cheeewwwww" sound is made by a blow off valve on the compressor side when there is a lot of boost built up and then the throttle closes quickly making the "kaaaaa cheeeeewwwwwwww" noise. And yes I just made those noises out loud and yes my 7 year old daughter is asking me why I'm making these noises. What is wrong with me
Really love the Dyson battery vac. The circuit board is in the airflow and has no conformal coating (to make it waterproof.) If you wash the filter (which is what they recommend) and don't wait long enough before you use it, you blow the board. Whole new motor assembly needed. Great design...
Regarding the relief valve, since this is intended to (also) groom animals, it is to prevent severe injury to said animal. For instance if somebody gets the plain hose with no safety-vented attachment up against the animal, body parts can get fuckulated very quickly. That much vacuum against an eyeball or a spink,,,, shpink,,,,,,,,, sfink,,,,,,, anus can do bad stuff. I felt really bad for mom-in-law, but I just couldn't stop laughing. RIP Shaggy Tom.
Jay Littleton that's not entirely true, the relief valve is there for a few reasons, 1 to cool the step down PCB in case of a blockage, 2 it is also there to slow the motor in the event of a blokage
I was merely going with my knowledge of a system specifically made for animal care & grooming that was built similar to a shop vacuum, which had a safety relief for what I described.
There's something to be said for the sheer confidence displayed by the fact that AvE is able to nearly completely disassemble a presumably 'non-customer-serviceable' device, point out its flaws and various pertinent features, and return said device to working order. All while keeping up a near-incomprehensible flow of Canadian slang-patter that, against all odds, turns out to be funny and oddly enlightening. Kudos, AvE!
Dominic Del Principe his videos are a work of art!
God Bless Canuckistan
Eh. 50/50 it comes back to working condition. Sometimes all the parts fit back in too.
Lol that is a very accurate explanation.
Being Canadian and at not a great distance ( as distances go on the left coast ) from the author, I find his slang-patter most coherent and eloquent - albeit bordering on overly formal.
The reason for the relief valve is so when the hose gets clogged it still has some air flow so it doesnt overheat. Most vacs when they are clogged auto shutdown when they get too hot. That thing keeps it cool so it doesnt overheat. However its also going to be a pain in the cunning linguals to clear a clog since the vac loses its oomph.
Yup. That's the one. They are supposed to open at near full clog. You know when you put your hand on the end and a split second later the sound changes and gets louder? That's the valve opening at full clog. In practice the only time this happens is when you suck up your couch pillow or something like that.
i don't know vacuums well, but that was my first thought. seemed like common sense?
Ryan Layne it also triggers when you're trying to vacuum pack your luggage/store your clothes in one of those ziplock bags
Also prevents overspinning
You saying that when there's no air to be moved, there's no resistance to slow the impeller?
The air bypass valve is used because it's a flow-through vacuum motor which does not have a cooling fan. In a flow-through motor the the vacuumed air is directed through the motor for cooling. When you block the vacuum airflow the actual load on the motor drops and the motor spins faster because the impeller is stalled but you have also eliminated the motor cooling.The bypass valve allows some cooling air to flow through the motor even if the vacuum air flow is blocked.
thank you
Not to mention that style compressor just like the turbo he compared the bypass valve to will have a surge limit and the surge of the compressor could be strong enough to be destructive to a plastic compressor, not to mention it could occur at an rpm that may be destructive to both impeller and motor.
And all that for a company that gets their rocks off by saying their vacuums don't lose suction.
Another function of having a bypasse valve before any of the dirt separation would be that in the event of hose blockages the by pass can open allowing suction on the stuck obstruction to decrease allowing the mass to loosen and separate down to a less dense more manageable size that if spread out enough it will let air to start bringing the material from front of the blockage and in a sense get a fresh bite on pulling the rest through otherwise the blockage would of only blocked airflow and only made the pluge denser so it's actually a benefit to the system hard to put in concept other then it's basically the same idea as using your hand to plug the front of a hose when plugged to ramp up the suction and letting it all lose at once to clear the air way but on the Dyson does that automatically n. By the way great idea stretching the spring does wonders on the physics of this effect. Thanks for the great vijeaos I always learn loads appreciated
@@nizzesbizzbuzz4074No one's going to read that story, I got 3 lines in and hit read more and said " nope! Not reading all that.. back to the video"
That little attachment with the two brushes spinning opposite each other is the best damn thing I've ever to get dog hair off my couch. I've got a chocolate lab that sheds like it's his job and after a couple passes that thing makes it look like I don't have a dog. It's friggin incredible.
I second that, and it blasts the fine dander out of the microfiber upholstery. The static cling on the plastic is stonger than the suck, so you know its working as the crud builds up.
the vaccum brake helps keep the motor cool. it uses all the air flow to cool the motor so if you plug it up or the filter will not flow enough air anymore you dont have a few hundred watt heater inside a plastic ball.
Also the blades will spin extra fast with no air friction and burn the motor up. So this is a "safety" feature.
No air is present in a perfect vacuum. No air, no heat x-fer.
Jason Coleman sure, aint no how this thing is gonna pull a perfect vacuum
Thank you, I went to the comments for this
Thats what i just wanted to post the valve keeps the air flowing couse the suced air is also for cooling the motor
I'm Scottish. We don't use Velcro gloves or boots. We get em next to a cliff, so they push back.
haha real funny :)
LMFAO Mate you made my week 👍
Rotflmfao
Funniest comment I've read in a while.
A ditch will also work.
Ive been opening boxes the wrong way all my life
@@conmanumber1 what about a campfire (it'll also help the fire).
@conmanumber1 His plasma cutter box opening was classic.
Without that little valve when the main input is clogged the motor would over heat due to no airflow.
It could also be to prevent all the plastic components on the vacuums side from exceeding its elastic limit. I.e to prevent plastic component failure due to obstruction
It could also be to keep the flowrate up so that the cyclonic filtration stages still work.
@@ryan.crosby The valve doesn't flow air from the cyclonic part, it's just fresh air.
The thermal cutout is usually of the latching type..it has a little heating element in it. You have to turn the thing off and wait for the element to cool down..if you don't turn the thing off it will stay off.. Dyson..over complicated junk.
How bad is it for the vacuum when it gets clogged with something like a sheet of plastic?
It would be interesting if you could get a hold of a Miele vacuum. The higher end models (> $500) are still made in Germany and are supposed to be pretty serviceable.
I have a 20 year old Miele that still runs like new.
I've got one. The Miele is solid but lightweight, quiet and powerful. It's nicely put together with nice materials and most importantly is doesn't look like an alien abortion, it looks like a vacuum.
Do a Henry, they are indestructible
Nilfisk is the way forward.
Kirby Vacuums are where its at. Never had a Miele, but I've had a Sebo, don't get me wrong that was a Nice vacuum. But man, talk about user serviceable, you can take it half the kirby apart by hand, and the rest of the way with basic tools.
Those switches have been mothballed in the new ball models, they only existed on these models. The warranty claims must've killed them.
And the poor graduate engineer that was greener than grass who designed them was probably bumped off by Dyson's hitman.
Vacuum valve required to allow airflow for motor cooling when it's clogged.
yes that what i thought
Came down to the comments, to say just this.
betting he just asked that fishing for comments cuz I thought this guy was the Gandalf of product engineering until he asked what seemed like the immediately obvious application of the valve.
It's the anti-degloving valve?
It's main purpose is to stop the motor from over speeding. When there is no airflow the heat gain is minimal due to reduced current, but the risk is the armature can trow it's windings or commutator with effectively unloaded free running.
"These are mainly for optics..." and with that he neatly summed up everything Dyson craps out.
Love this video. Always has me cryin'! :D
Some days ago I've seen a package with a label on it saying "Nicht mit Kettensäge öffnen" (do not open with chainsaw) and I was like "who would open a package with a chainsaw"....
You, Sir, did.
Luckily your package didn't have the label on it :D
Hey AVE, Once a vacuum salesman came to my door. He said his vac was higher performing than the one I had, (an old Kirby). He was sooo surprised when I pulled out a gas meter, as like found on the house to measure cubic feet of natural gas from the utility company (big grey thing). Well I put his rig a sucking to it for one minute and noted the cubic feed of air that had passed. Then I did the same suck to test with my old Kirby. The salesman was astounded to see that the old Kirby was a better mother sucker than his mother chucker. He had no choice other than to concede defeat, and I wished him a good day sir. He left shaking his head, never having known the challenge he would endure and emerge from, licking his woulds from this dethronement.
Interesting! You can also use a water meter to compare (but not measure) air flow. I once used a vacuum cleaner on a water meter in reverse to get the numbers down a bit before I sold it on eBay.
What was he selling?
And I believe you that Kirby those things are beasts.
Epic comment
And then the whole neighborhood clapped
i love this
You aren't kidding about golden retrievers
Practical Engineering liked because practical engineering commented... I haven't even gotten to that point in the video yet!
You hit the quick. We all have that problem with this BS abparkagedpipe.
Love your channel to. Why did not you mention the main main force involved in this process. Ave have forgotten - centrifugal force.
Gotta agree, Golden Retrievers shed somethin fierce.
Poppet valve is due to when the user blocks the inlet up to stop the motor burning out
Would be interesting to see a teardown of a more conventional "high end" vacuum like Miele, for comparison
High end. Low end. They all get clogged. :-)
Some actually run for longer than a year... but most of the well known brands is by now total rubbish .
@@MickeyMishra I don't think I've ever had a vacuum get clogged. In my experience the motor just wears out.
@@saltrocklamp199 you are lucky, because if you have children or my God it's like every single day or at least once a month or if you have that ex-wife that happens to go ahead and suck up like a whole kids shoe and you wonder how the hell it got up there.... I have seen some s*** and s*** accessories. Lol.
Ooh! Now do the Shark Apex Zero M!
The bypass valve is to pass a UL 1017 test where the inlet to the vacuum is sealed off for several hours until an “ultimate result” occurs (ie death & destruction), or it gracefully keeps running until the test duration is complete. It’s far easier / cheaper to just leak cooling air for this test, than to design the cheap thermoplastic enclosure & copper clad aluminum winding motor to fail safely in a consistent manner, & FAR more cost effective than the auto-resetting thermal fuses that have their own design challenges to prevent nuisance tripping. And the BS about it preventing drapes & dicks from being sucked in is BS; every manufacturer would love to get rid of the bypass valve & wants the highest amount of peak suction at the end of the hose, especially in Europe where “Air Power” numbers are apart of the marketing figures, which bypass valves often negatively impact if designed cheaply.
This valve is only actuated when the suction side of the vacuum is blocked, well at least that’s the way Dyson tunes them (their large piston w/ only a small piston area exposed to atmospheric pressure causes a “hysteresis effect” that requires a lot of suction pressure to actuate the valve, but not very much to keep it wide open, thus maximizing air power performance AND safety). Other manufacturers are FAR less competent / cheap in their engineering design, as well as engineering ethics, so these valves are confusedly designed to behave in a linear fashion & always leak a little bit even during normal operation, or they use a literal hole to leak all the time to pass the UL “Blocked Inlet” test, among other nefarious things & closed door consensus based decisions that I can’t go into detail with due to legal agreements... Will probably find a pretentious letter taped to my door next week... ;)
If you think that Dyson is a POS, you should take a look at the absolute pure crap being sold by the other brands! Dyson has far better design & manufacturing quality than the rest, & non-intuitively do stand up to hard / abusive reliability & durability testing quite well in the complex linkage BS they often use; however, they are way overpriced, because quite literally everyone else is selling modularized cost reduced garbage made in a few factories in the Guangdong Province of China... Shark / Europro is pretty much the only exception besides Dyson regarding design & manufacturing quality, even though they also employ manufacture in these same ‘white good’ factories, albeit on a different floor. Miele is also quite nice regarding design robustness, but even more overpriced & poorer performing than the mainstream brands. If you want a vacuum that doesn’t spew a bunch of sub-micronized dust-mite poop & dead skin into the air, Dyson & Shark are your two best options by a light year, w/ Dyson being superior. Now I’m definitely getting a letter taped to my door! ;)
Thanks Sir James.
Slutty Mc'Slutface Henry are ttteeeerrrrriiiibbbblllleeee
"Gee, I love that kind of talk!" (Tim Conway as Ensign xxxxx on McHale's Navy)
*Ensign Parker
DDSPL15 This was actually a great read
It's funny that's a panasonic motor. I still have an old panasonic vacuum cleaner (garage and patio use only nowadays). They built the damn thing with so much suction, you could barely move it on a rug. The directions told you to leave the "accessories" port unlatched so that it would operate correctly. 30 years old and still sucks up leaves, twigs, small mammals, whatever.
small mammals... *small mammals*
Oh no, not the chihuahua again!
You haven't lived until you have had to clean rodents out of a psuedo-shop vac.
+Alan Hunter Sounds fun. Does the lawnmoeer qualify?
I need no channel youtube! - only if you have the bagger attachment...
Otherwise it’s more of a small mammal mulcher, than a pseudo shop-vac ;-)
Hi from New Zealand. FYI sheep aren't our thing anymore. We've moooved on to cows.
I'm Welsh. We've moved on to Dragons!
Hi, american living in NZ here, they have shitloads of freaking sheep
No in Wales we have tiny little dragons..
Can confirm, as a Welsh man living in New Zealand, everyone is right into sheep. At least that'll be my defence in court. 😊
jca111 lot of Welsh guys here today....I'm up in North Wales.
I used to sell these and they would come back for repair/replacement all the time. Now I know why. Thank you.
Funny that they never bothered to tell you when you were sellin em. Hopefully you found a more respectable position; a telemarketer or something.
@@whatelseison8970 or a floor sweeper.
Anything is better then shovelling plastic like dog turds.
Fast food.
Or move up in the world and get a trade.
But you chose that job as you have the ambition of a paralysed snail.
Teardown a Miele, would be interesting to see how it compares.
Ill second this.
Miele, Sebo, riccar. Take a pick, all of them will be better, but can go over $1000 depending on the model. Plus none of them have the marketing, aesthetics, or availability of dyson, which is why dyson is still popular as a premium brand.
Given all these teardowns of dyson products, you'd think that AvE is a fan (albeit a disappointed one) of dyson.
ac3ofspades878 Teardown a Kirby. I've done it many, many times. They put everything to shame. I have several Kirbys in the family and a Miele. I like that Miele a lot, but the Kirbys will be around way after it's gone.
+1 on that, I haven't really looked inside the mieles, but other than some halfassed plastic parts, the motors themself seem to last forever
The valve is to keep the 200 lb gorilla from getting the dingus end stuck in it, or keeping little johny from sucking his siblings eyeballs out if there headbone.
But... Getting your dingus end in is half of the reason to buy a home suction device...
the Dyson motor overheats in dingus situations err uh sitiations where its blocked. try a better vac.
No vacuum, no cooling air. It's to protect the motor cooling
"if there" headbone... Dingus End, you ain't done no readin' wot'cha wrote there, git'cha English better buggerit!
"ave" and "this old tony" you've changed my life lol
Amen
4:17 "- The big ball animal, I don't know how the f**k they found out my college nickname!" I'm dead xD
This relief valve is probably for when you plug the hose catching something you didn't want to, like the curtain or the cat
diamened - or your dingus
Nope... It´s for cooling air for the motor...
It’s for cooling the motor when the hose is plugged. My fein vac has two fans, one just for cooling the motor. It does not rely on air drawn through the filter bag. A MUCH better design!
Is for cooling. Try clogging some normal vaccum. It will stop due to overheating.
@Terry I was gonna say something about cost being a major factor of good design, but then I remembered the price dyson is asking for this.
AVE if i may be of some help to your question at 10:54 .
most likely the reason behind the valve is to prevent the turbine blades from rotating too quickly. i learned this when i was younger by having a small air compressor for blowing up pool toys. it had the same setup and i noticed that when i covered the holes with my finger, the turbine blew up inside the housing.
I think the airflow puts just enough friction on the blades to keep them from centrifugally destroying themselves.
I agree. Pretty much anything built to move air (fans) will move much faster than designed when you remove the resistance that air provides. I've measured fan speed on my laptops cooling fan and when I covered the intake the speed increased from 3,000 to 4,000 rpm and you could hear the change as well.
I have a guess that the motor need some air for cooling as well!
I agree, the motor is cooled by the working air. If there's a blockage in the airflow caused by an obstruction that goes unnoticed for any length of time, the bypass valve still allows some air through the motor for cooling.
When they stop sucking that's when you want them to cook!Got me beat
With a shop vac, the cooling airflow is usually separate from the cleaning path, so blocked inlet is both less load, and more cooling air as the RPM goes up. Residential vacs use the cleaning airflow to cool the motor. If airflow goes to zero, even though the load goes down, the cooling airflow can go to zero. Not a good mix.
Right. This is also why drills recommend that if you are going slow on steel to pull the drill out and rev it free to move some air over the motor.
That's why I like direct air vacuums like my Kirby. It has it own dedicated cooling fan.
Love it. The vacuum vent valve choocherator is there for the common times you may suck up a bottle cap, or something plugs the vacuum hose.
The vacuum gets a wee reprieve, and can keep sucking air instead of stalling.
If it can't flow any air, that Panasonic motor will go Chernobyl.
I bought two Dyson vacs when I lived in the UK. They were amazing. Moved back to the states and didn't think twice about getting one here. I was about as disappointed as in this video. Mine wouldn't pick up Labrador dog hair on the first pass. I needed to go over an area at least twice. Since I knew the Dysons in England did a fantastic job with the same dog hair from the same dog, I called tech support. I was floored when they told me the units made in the US had smaller motors than the UK counter parts because the American market was more interested in the way it looked, whereas the British market wanted an effective product. I actually did some research and had to buy something else to clean. Unfortunately I bought it online and couldn't return it. It sits next to my dryer to clean the lint trap. Wish I seen this video about 10 years ago.
ntdude4 I've had good luck with Hoover products. They do what you need them to for a third of the price.
Thanks. I did some research and fumy as it sounds there was a kenmore something or other that was high rated and a decent price. Its been working great ever since. Thanks again for the suggestion.
That's actually really interesting information. Noted!
ntdude4 Interesting that tech support told you that, given that they sell the same models in Europe and USA, other than also selling the upright model in USA.
EU/UK consumer protection laws are much much better than the ones in the US. That is probably why.
That valve makes it cheaper for the motor to comply with it's wattage rating.
That motor is wattage regulated by air resistance and the motor is designed to a minimum wattage to save money(more wattage means thicker copper winding and more copper), if the motor over spins from lack of air resistance more wattage will flow over-heating the copper winding or popping a circuit breaker.
It probably also helps it pass national compliances mandates for the motor's approved wattage use.
scot shabalam i thought it were just for cooling incase the intake were to be blocked. Good to know though
I bet its cooling too. These things cool by air circulation through them. when things plug up, the air heats up and the motor dies. This is a common failure mode with cheap shop vacs. Fein shop vacs have external motor cooling and can run forever with the intake clogged. Just a guess though.
AvE said it was attached to a breaking mechanism to slow down the motor.
also stops it catching fire :)
nope the vacuum mech lets air in if the vac gets too high (blocked inlet)
I work in the warehouse at best buy, one of the most common vacuums I get returned are dyson.
Me too I work in the warehouse as well and all the sales people just drool over these vacuums.
I saw one being returned to the store at a Best Buy as a customer.
but whats the sales rate on these? if they are the most popular ones then it kinda makes sense.. you need to know the amount sold vs the amount returned
Your unboxing with commentary in German killed me. Your German is great. Keep it up!
yes think so too! did you use translate or did you use to learn it?
What an eloquent pair of hands.
WimpyMcWeaksauce you must be new here
4:07
I am thinking that the on off switch is enginerded to break before the filter clogs up.............?
And then you take it back to the store and they hand you a new one, no questions asked. Certainly overpriced for all the marketing 'wank', but the built in disposable/replaceable appliance is accounted in there for those willing to march it back into the store (whether or no you agree with the disposable tech that runs rampant these days)
They have a negative designs department : dedicated to adding as many failure points as possible without the thing falling apart in the box.
At this rate electronics will come with a Best Before date on them...
Thanks for spending your own money to prove what i already knew: Expensive crap just like the Kirby!
I lost it at "fleshlight pantaloon edition"!
AnimeSunglasses yes fucking same I laughed so hard!
I'm sure this has been said, but you shouldn't have messed with that bypass spring. That spring opens to allow air into the impeller at a certain pressure as you know, but what you don't know is that it's there specifically to eliminate compressor stall. This allows the suction to remain at full (-) pressure even when the vacuum has been placed flush on the carpet or couch or whatever. In this condition other vacuums would reach minimum airflow and then stall the impeller, virtually eliminating any suction. With the bypass present this never happens, allowing suction to continue even in very low airflow conditions. This is a really great feature that it seems you failed to appreciate. That being said, I love all your videos and would love to see more high end industrial equipment torn down. Also it would be super cool if you tore down a worn out transmission and explained how it all works, failure modes, etc. Keep up the good work!
so a cyclonic vacuum works by spinning the dust in a circle 'til it gets dizzy, then it falls to the bottom?
Mickleblade Yes, woodworking factories use cyclones the size of a semi trailer. The one where i worked years ago had a 3', or 1 meter pipe going into it, and a 350hp motor.
It spins it out into slower airflow where it loses the bouncy and dynamics to float it, and it falls out of suspension.
Of course, the poor dust particles get really too, and it's completely inhumane.
Chris Walford Basically, It's a gravitational slingshot simulator.
Coal fired power plants used to have cyclonic separators, for fly ash.
We made a 5 gallon bucket into a cyclone prefilter to extend the time we had sucking up drywall dust in a shop vac beating out the filter! added a good 2 or 3 times more run time betweens cleaning :)
That german intro, jeez my neighbours are now definitely awake after getting a good laugh at 6am. :D
it was a mix of austrian german and switzerland german but no german german
I reckon its as good as it could be for a non german speaking canadian. But it has nothing to do with swissgerman mate.
Not _too bad_ as far as pronunciation goes.. i bet there's some German tribe in AvE's family history. No surprise with an name like that (surely must be "Adolf von Eberhoden").
he has a bit of the swiss accent
I used to stretch the springs on all my retractable pens in school! I liked the heavier thumb feel
We have a 7 year old Dyson, and the chintz factor is off the charts, but somehow not a single thing has gone wrong with it. It's got all the same flimsy plastic linkages and such for the switches, but all of them still work fine, and we're not exactly gentle with the vacuum. It's really quite amazing to me. Ours has user-serviceable washable filters that come out very easily and are cleaned with a good water soak.
I've had to cut threads and hair off the brushes, but that's it as far as service goes.
Isaac Fortner If you have a 7 year old Dyson, this is likely to have a less complicated structure. The wheels on these Dysons break off very easily. Already seen 4 of these Big Ball cylinders with broken wheel shells within 6 months of launch.
I think they saved costs on the switches etc. as it’s not likely to be used that much so for a 10 year lifetime being pressed a few times each week for average user that flimsy mechanism should last.
I’ve gotten broken parts on my dc54 but I blame my wife’s long hair that wrapped around the wheel bearing and took me a good half an hour to remove and ended up having to rip off the wheel and now it won’t click back on the same as before!
Sorry AvE as a Welsh man I took the gloves for myself. My sheep wife thanks you.
"Might've saved someone else from making the same mistake" ... Dyson did $2.5 billion in revenue in 2016. They sell a fuckload of suck machines. Averaging that they were all this model, at $600/pop, they're selling 4.2 million of them annually. Your videos usually get around a quarter million views, the Dyson one tons more, call it a wash around that many people who were going to buy that now won't.. that's a solid 8% of their marketshare you just shoved your dingus into, probably triple that if you consider only the impact on this particular model. Either way, that's $150,000,000 they won't be sucking up their hoses this year. Attaboy.
In other news... I know you lament the idea of being beholden to anyone, but, Chickadee might like her own Caribbean Island for her 10th birthday, and the people who saved money from this teardown sure ain't gonna send you a thank you cheque.... just sayin'...
Videos are like this are the proof in the pudding that uncle B isn't taking kickbacks from anyone. Keep it up!
That's assuming all 250,000 people who viewed this video intended to buy this Dyson. Unfortunately it's probably on the order of 0.1% of the viewership, if not lower.
MrCrowley - When word gets out, and when people search, I bet it'll be something like that. The impact will but beyond view count and the last two dyson videos did 3 million views combined. The conversations that happen off screen, after church, etc are where the gossiping is done. People buy what is popular, and if you know something or give it a rep before its popular, its all the ones people don't buy because their friends don't have it that makes the impact.
I hated Dysons, until my SIL got one for Xmas. She has the cordless v10 or whatever it is. I’m amazed by it. Then she got the Dyson hairdryer and it’s super quiet compared to a regular loud ass hairdryer.
I really want one of those v10 cordless ones. It sucks in a good way, and fits quiet.
Hugh Jafro your name is fantastic
Just sent a link to this video to Dyson support team. May get a good laugh if they actually respond!
Haha just got the automatic reply and all responses are delayed due to the overwhelming success of their holiday promotion! Marketing on a customer support/complaint! Do they know no bounds!
1911 shooter lol lol lol my ROFL copter is taking off
Actually received an actual email back saying that the video has been sent to the engineering department! I bet those fellows will get a kick out of it and maybe even feel bad about how much they cheap out on these things.
Awesome ! The world sure does need more of these PSAs
Johan Hallgren Public service announcement.
Remember when these geniuses of marketing claimed hundreds of thousands of G's for their cyclonic separators. I did the calculations on them and sent them an email saying they were several orders of magnitude lower than claimed. They dropped that claim from their advertising. His venturi effect fans and heaters are another piece of marketing baloney. They claim they're fan-less but the fan is just hidden in the base. But I guess Dyson is probably rich making ignorant people think he's some engineering genius when in reality he's a snake oil salesman.
I think the marketing term for the fanless is obviously a misnomer, but the "idea" still stands as its advertised for being quiet and efficient without buffeting fan noise, which it does seem to do.
Drive your enemies before you....And hear the Vayling of the VEMON!
"Nice Guys finish last....You gotta decide...Are you a Sheep Or are you a Wolf?"
Same happened with the Dyson "No loss of suction" tag line.
It's no loss of suction till the barrel is 1/2 full.
Actually don't they say "Bladeless"
@Michael Patrick The marketing may be less than honest, but the early products were top notch. Friend of mine owns a janitorial company and almost all he uses are Earlier model Dysons. He said that he has tried all the other brands and they neither last as long, nor do as good a job.
Gimme a Numatic Henry Hoover over this anyday.
Hoover the building site by day, then hoover your house in the evening...
were there really zero electronics in that thing outside of the switch and motor? Dyson went from digital overkill to harbor freight in a year. lol
Valve is there when it gets clogged it dont burn up.
Jelsma Outdoors when motors are under vacuum they are under less load, so they are less likely to burn up
AfterDark3 Ok, its also a safety feature so if you get the hose stuck you can pull it away.
Jelsma Outdoors I'm going with that valve is there to keep it from tearing holes in stuff. 12 in mercury will bend steel on a head that size, nevermind pulling a couch through that "lifetime" filter.
jet still; no airflow == no cooling
AfterDark3
That might be all and good in a non-t-bag vacusucker, in this case, the motorb is been clusterfucked by a large amount of plasteek.
In other words, the motor might not burn up, but without airflow from the motor, The plastic will ment... and, well, I think i've said enough.
Grumble grumble, moan moan.
We have 2 dyson vacuums. One we bought used on CL about 12 years ago and it’s still working wonderfully. Zero problems whatsoever.
Sure, it’s no 1950’s Kirby in terms of construction/materials, but it also works about 100x better than my mom’s 40lb Kirby ever did.
9:50 doesn't a 60hz sine wave reach zero current 120 times a second?
It does but he Probably converted his house to 30Hz.
Three times.
Mitchell McCreath two times, the cycle starts at zero at t=0, goes up comes down through zero (count one) and back up to zero (count two), you don't count the one at t=0. Well, you could but then the last one (the third) would be the first of the next cycle. I think that makes sense.. lol. I'm just being a dork, feel free to correct me if I missed something.
Its easier (for me at least) to think of it as starting at the top of the wave, down to the bottom includes one zero-cross, and back up to the top includes the second, and completes on cycle or hz.
that'd be a cosine wave
'Pantaloon edition" hahaha I lost it. Too funny.
That's not a blow-off valve, it's a SUCK-OFF valve. Haha.
Nice one
RUclips recommendations strikes gold. You buddy are it. Have a sub.
I loved that intro, but as a German I have to correct you. The right way to start your video would be "Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren, willkommen zurück in der Werkstatt. Hier haben wir 'Sir James praller Hoden'!"
Instead of "praller Hoden" you could also say "mächtige Klöten" or "dicke Eier".
But that "Fick dich Dyson!" was great. Props to you!
Immi Ogmios My German teacher sucked then because I understood that and I haven't heard German since high school (8 or 9 years ago).
Immi Ogmios I shouldn't say understood, should say got the basic understanding of it.
Manche Leute lockern den Schraubstock , und der Schwanz faengt zu waedeln ann !
I love how we Germans are probably the only people to correct him on what he is saying instead of being happy our language is used. It was my first reaction too.
I'm happy he used German, but I also think he should use it correctly. Another mastered skill is better than a half assed skill.
That little pop it valve is for jimmys johnson. You know so that he doesn't have to suffer from the crippling embarrassment of having his member stuck when his mother comes home from getting the groceries.
Brian Gasser - some of us like to vacuum in the nude and don’t want to loose any parts lol
I recommend using the same tuck method found in silence of the lambs if you are going to be doing that.
There use to be a phrase in the early 60's in my youth for a cheap spring switch...It was ...No better than a Pez dispenser.
I had a Boogy Chill'n disguised as a Pez Dispenser....In my miss spent youth.
lol to me that is what charging an AR15 sounds like... (spring in buffer tube) makes a pez dispenser noise, I had to slap some grease on it to quieten it down (a dab'll do)
Idk unlike this piece of crap a Pez dispenser has candy.
Minutes into this video I know you're my kind of guy. You're turning the proper gears and producing the proper results.
The poppet valve is for cooling air flow. This motor is cooled by the "working air" flow. No flow means little load but NO COOLING!!!
Dyson is a marketing company that happens to sell vacuums
Can you smell the patents expiring?! Smells like copycats
This 600$ Flesh-light screws you
poot111111 hot damn it's made in russia! dyson lied to us all!
It sucks you
Finally the toy works for me!
It does a better job too.
This guy is hilarious; just his wordages! 1st video I've seen of AvE and subscribed. Hope all the others are as informative/inventively insulting as this.
Phil McClenaghan you've come to the right place
Phil McClenaghan 3rd video but on the first I subbed to
Welcome! You won't be disappointed
Your in for Alot of laughs
Ave doesn't pull punches haha
Calls it as it is... So refreshing in a pc sociaty that's forgotten truth is beautiful and fkin hilarious
Indeed! Vastly entertaining!
Someone is watching this whole video to make sure there are no actual animal balls involved
That an expensive piece of plastic. It sucks well and sometimes that can get pricey.
+cmcrisp42 is that a blonde joke? Because if it wasn't, it is now.
hookers can do that too.
Sounds like a woman with bolt-ons.
Rod 1984 The damn thing just got from there...made by pros...
There isnt much out there these days that is actually engineered to last
Certainly not in the cyclonic bagless vacuum market...
unless you get a central vac. MUCH more servicable
perfectdiversion
That reminds me of the time my grandfather gave me a reuseable hand warmer dated 1968. It still works great, but unfortunately people will still choose disposable chemical hand warmers.
I suppose we really are living in an age where everything is engineered to fail and everything is disposable.
I went to school for engineering. everything is designed these days to last 3-5years before its degrated to be thrown away. Even vehicles are designed such ways. Its pathetic, and why i quite as i want my designednshit to last and be simple.
Henry hoovers suck all day and have been for 37 years. That's why professional cleaners use them.
The enginerds spent too long thinking if they could, they forgot to ask if they should.
the answer was no. no you shouldn't.
Ya it makes me very disappointed ☹️ because Dyson used to be great I had a yellow one and a DC35 ALLERGY i think it was indestructible and the filter and motor or easy to get to and they were well engineered The new Dyson's I do not like
I had same opinion 12 years back when i bought a dyson. However it still lives although heavily misused. Only had to replace the electric supply reel once because elec connection broken. But all the silly small parts are still alive.
They are still a good product but ridiculously overpriced. That said, if they are going to begin to have crap switch assemblies like that and more off the shelf components, for the same price, then their reliability is certainly going to be up for question.
My mother in law used to go thru a vacuum every year until she got a Dyson. That sweeper is still going after countless years and only had to have a new belt and brushroll after many years of hard use. Expensive yes, but not compared to all the cheaper units that would have needed to have been purchased instead. Overall, it’s been a right skookum choocher!
This probably does say more of the general quality of vacuums. We used to go through one every year or two as well until we got a Dyson.
Dyson-the Apple of vacuum cleaners,you paid $100 for the packaging.
In England, every town has at least one "Dyson Repair Shop", but you don't see shops specifically for the repair of any other brand of vacuum cleaner. What does that tell you about their longevity eh?
My old smiley face Numatic is still going strong after 18 years, what with it being just a motor with a power switch in a cylindrical case
arcadeuk yeah your right, Dyson are total shite, went to look for a new vacuum an the woman shows the good lady a Dyson, she dropped it once an the handle snapped clean off! I laughed that much I had to leave the shop!
I too would have laughed my ass off in that situation :)
YMMV... My DC07 Animal is 17 years old and still sucks like the day I got it. I've replaced the filters 3 times and that's it.
My parents had one Dyson vacuum ever, and it died pretty much every time it sucked up anything that wasn't very light dirt. Basically, they are vacuums that don't do well at cleaning things that are actually dirty.
Maybe it is better to have a machine that is serviceable instead of one that you simply throw away?
The break: It’s for a clog so it doesn’t get too hot- saved my vacuum.
Dyson figured out how to fleece us. Like Apple they are no longer quality since they are born to fail. Great job on this review. Definitely in your debt. Saved me a handful.
Were they ever really quality, or were they just a marketing gimmick? about a dozen years ago, I switched over to a commercial vacuum made by sebo (sebo is overpriced in the US, but their vacuums are available half price from commercial supply places). It looks like an honest unit.
I very briefly looked at the dyson stuff, but never really found anything that great about it - it seemed like $500 worth of plastic vacuum that had an expected lifetime of a couple of years....
....and because of the giant profile, couldn't fit under anything.
The sebo-made commercial vacuum at the time was actually cheaper. And made in Germany.
@@daw162
A used Kirby will do.
Easy to repair too.
@@Milkmans_Son You got yourself a fluke. They've been plasticy junk falling apart since day one.
I have 3 DC01s. I think the oldest one is from about 1995. It still works fine. Worst thing about it is emptying the damn thing.
$600 fekin crazy ...
they are expensive, I found mine in the trash and put it through some burn tests, now i use it in my garage, it still works !, i was impressed but still too expensive for me.
I expected it to have more metal inside for that price. What a crock.
For the price you can buy a workshop vaccum
Warped Perception Never expected to find you here.
up to $900 in Australia LOL!
Love it. Eight-likes with no actual views since the video is currently being processed. Liked her...I hardly knew her.
Mark Ney some of the best relationships fall in that bucket.
Thank you editing that vacuum noise level out. I always listen to your videos with headphones. I really appreciate that
22:58 "The noosel on the end of the hoose!" ~Groundskeeper Willie, the Simpsons
Panasonic aka Matsushita have been making motors since the dawn of time.
The bigger problem is that it is not a dyson mottor.
TheChromestyle - is that a problem if the proprietary tech Dyson claims to have can operate with ANY source of suction and is independent of the motor technology for this model?
Why is that a problem?
Weren't they called National Panasonic at one time?
@@TheChromestyle No problem here, move along.....
I would think that valve is for preventing a no *SUCC* event. You know like when you stick your hand over the hole and you can hear the motor RPM increase. Maybe some kind of protection for the motor in some way from over current event due to higher load. I actually have no idea if thats what its for, I'm talking out of my ass.
Adubs this was my guess.
I assumed it may be to help keep the motor from getting damaged if the filter or hose is blocked.
That's exactly what its for, motor protection. The air flowing through the motor keeps it cool.
a fans load is proportional to the mass flow of air. thus when blocked, it has almost no load on it. cooling is my guess.
Rigid Stainless shop vac had it for years.
Got it on sale for $100.
A very wise man once said it was"like shearing a pig,lots of squealing, but not much wool".
OMG, that's too funny!!
Thanks for the warning, I was interested by those Dysons, but thanks to you saved myself some money, and had a fun video to watch...
Can I get a count of the plastic tabs broken in the disassembly process?
AvE - Thank's for the video. I picked up the stand up version of this model 5 years ago. The build quality is spooky however, not a plastic part has failed and the thing has beastly suction. The other thing is that all the parts come apart easily when I suck up something and it gets stuck in the vacuum. The thing is also very light weight and easy to use. Picked it up on Craigslist for $200.00 US. Will be sure to comment if / when it breaks. Thank you again. : )
The poppet valve I believe is in place in case of a clog in the system. I figure to prevent damage to the motor.
To clear the blockage before it fills the whole hose
They are the apple of vacuums
logik100 True.
And the tesla of cars.
Not completely. Dyson’s handheld vacuums are truly the best out there and are (at least in my opinion) worth the price, especially when they can be frequently gotten on sale. They really are the most powerful handheld units with the longest battery life. Expensive, yes, but unlike others they are a true vacuum that’s handheld. Apple doesn’t really have any products anymore that offer the best performance (or even functionality) in their class. Now as for some of Dyson’s other products like this POS...
Apple sells good adapters :D
no, seriously: I use an Apple Thunderbolt 3 to 2 and Thunderbolt 2 to Firewire adapter with my Dell.
What, PCs with a sticker and premium price?
Dyson have always had an amazing talent for combining poor engineering with over engineering and a massive advertising campaign targeting the ignorant.
Just now seeing this video July 2020.
In my experience, vacuum cleaners rely on the airflow they draw to keep the motor assembly cool.
If the intake gets clogged (which happens frequently in my home), then it cannot get the airflow it needs to keep cool.
By including a relief valve to allow air intake, you can maintain enough airflow to keep the motor cool in the event of a clogged hose.
The beginning... I laughed my rear off so hard... :-) Greetings from Germany
axised001 what did he say?
Shaun Martin
dear ladys and gentlemen welcome back to my workshop what we have here is ( no idea ) big balls
"Dear lady's and gentlemen, welcome back to the workshop. What we have here is the big testicle. Fvck you Dyson"
axised001 "... What we here have is Sir Dysons big testicle."
Those cheapo parts come in handy when someone breaks their $500 and tosses it and I can pick it up and fix it for the $5 replacement part (assuming they weren't just to lazy to unclog the Easter grass). I've never bought a vacuum yet.
On/off switch breaks? Install a 80 cent light switch in the chassis.
I love my Kirby. All metal, simple design, and still choochin almost two decades after purchase.
N Ames
What model is it? My Ultimate G Diamond Edition is about 15 years old and going strong.
It may sound silly but I really want a Heritage II like my grandpa had in condition. The inflating bag always got me for some reason.
@It's-a me Megatron My dad was a Kirby salesman for a short time, and he got to keep a Heritage II.We got a new vacuum about 6-8 years ago(it's not as good, but Kirbys are pretty 'esspessive'); the Kirby still sucked, just not as well.
I agree, seeing that bag puff up and flop around was kinda fun to watch.
@@41A2E
If you still have it probably just needs a new fan. Cheap part BIG difference.
I believe they're made of Kevlar now
Unfortunately, we don't. I was around 8 years old at the time otherwise I would have tried to fix it, and my dad wasn't as repair-minded then, so it got chucked.
My grandparents recently gave us their Gen. 3 Kirby, so we have a lean, mean, cleaning machine again. We save that one for more serious vacuuming and use the lighter, cheaper one for everyday.
I'm not sure why RUclips recommended this video to me, but man that was the most metal unboxing I have ever seen. I'm hooked
My experience is that when when we got the 2 Dysons home, we were amazed. However, within a couple of years, they both broke. We thought the first time was a fluke, but the next one was the same thing. Haven’t bought another one since......
Next Vijayo he needs get his grubby little paws around one of those robit sucking machines
Would this suffice??: facebook.com/TheRealistPeopleofLancaster/photos/a.1520818981471441.1073741829.1441126146107392/2084064225146911/?type=3
^ this made me laugh! :D
The bypass vacuum valve (poppet valve) is provided to facilitate cooling airflow for the motor in the event the main vacuum airflow is blocked for any reason.
I have seen a $50 Bissell out perform a $500 Dyson.
That same Bissell has went through a few belts, but it still works great.
The Dyson is in a landfill in Tennessee.
You couldn't give me a Dyson I have repaired many machines over the years over price over engineer the best I had is a Henry
Henry is the best but dyson is styled nicer and I like my V10 cordless
Henry rocks. Cute face, quiet, powerful and well built. He just keeps the suction going long after others quit. He's not cheap either. Lol
I don't think a wastegate makes much, if any noise. The "pa cheeewwwww" sound is made by a blow off valve on the compressor side when there is a lot of boost built up and then the throttle closes quickly making the "kaaaaa cheeeeewwwwwwww" noise. And yes I just made those noises out loud and yes my 7 year old daughter is asking me why I'm making these noises. What is wrong with me
Pasheeeeeow, vroom vroom
Wastegates flutter as well.
Oh Dyson, the Apple of vacuums. Both offer overpriced proprietary garbage made with other company's technologies.
Really love the Dyson battery vac. The circuit board is in the airflow and has no conformal coating (to make it waterproof.) If you wash the filter (which is what they recommend) and don't wait long enough before you use it, you blow the board. Whole new motor assembly needed. Great design...
Regarding the relief valve, since this is intended to (also) groom animals, it is to prevent severe injury to said animal. For instance if somebody gets the plain hose with no safety-vented attachment up against the animal, body parts can get fuckulated very quickly. That much vacuum against an eyeball or a spink,,,, shpink,,,,,,,,, sfink,,,,,,, anus can do bad stuff.
I felt really bad for mom-in-law, but I just couldn't stop laughing. RIP Shaggy Tom.
Jay Littleton that's not entirely true, the relief valve is there for a few reasons, 1 to cool the step down PCB in case of a blockage, 2 it is also there to slow the motor in the event of a blokage
I stand corrected and thank you for your input. Cheers.
Your very welcome, it's confusing I know.
So you’re actually with Dyson PR?
I was merely going with my knowledge of a system specifically made for animal care & grooming that was built similar to a shop vacuum, which had a safety relief for what I described.