Fiat Chrysler merges with PSA Group: Stellantis is born | Auto Expert John Cadogan
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- Опубликовано: 5 июн 2024
- Fiat Chrysler has merged with PSA Group and the new entity will be called Stellantis.
Stellantis will become the fourth largest carmaker on Earth, behind Toyota, Volkswagen and Hyundai - but it will be a challenge for Stellantis to survive because it has no sales in China (world's largest car market) as well as massive over-production capacity and commitments with the French Government not to close factories or reduce head count.
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I have to say there are reasons, why the merger is logical though: PSA has new platforms & EV technology which FCA need to comply to emissions regulations as well as FCA have luxury brands with high brand recognition which PSA would benefit from.
PSA would like to expand its presence in othet countries outside of Europe to reach a larger audience which would lower the production costs which would equate to a higher profit margin. Because FCA has a lot of dealerships in the USA, they could use those.
Lastly, PSA's Chef Tavares has proven, that he can flip prands around to profit and make them more desirable. The new Opel Mokka E is sold out in Germany. GM Europe was making losses for the past 20 years but after PSA acquired Opel / Vauxhall, they started becoming profitable.
Exactly - I feel this whole thing is just a basing it on stereotypes rather than actual research on how brands stand and rank these days.
Sure it's an odd name but if done right this merger could churn out some interesting stuff.
So many here seem to be loving in the past and cant let go.
Yes Josh. I own it through $FCAU. I look forward to seeing what Tavares can do.
This video sure was entertaining though🤣
clearly i need to be in the same dimension of reality as you to understand this, i nor anyone i know wouldn't shit on any of these brands sold by these companies.
@@rfmonkey4942 I've worked for Toyta, Mercedes-Benz and independent shops. They are all pieces of shit in their own way.
Land Rover/ Jaguar was profitable at first too under Tata.
Good to see they're still moving the deckchairs as the "Titanic" sinks! 😂
Amazing to see the ignorance of people outside Europe not knowing about the recent years of PSA. They have been in the top tier for price quality ratio for a few years now, quality shooting up and healthy sales. And I remember this very same RUclipsr raving about the DS. Short memory?
Carlos Travers has been a godsend for PSA, the new Peugeot and Opel models look fantastic! I can't wait what they are going to do with Fiat, Alfa and especially Lancia
Can't agree more. PSA is better than the VW group.
In Australia they like cheap Kia and dull Toyota hence why this bloke can’t seem to see outside the box. In my opinion Asian brands are still behind the Euros in terms of design, quality and platforms..
@@daanwillemsen223 we will do the best for them because those manufacturers are historic.
@@daanwillemsen223 lancia has theoretically huge potential, absolutely correct
Reminds me of when BMC merged with Leyland.
Absolutely. Brace for impact...
that ended well (ironic)
Dark days ahead...
@@barrettwbenton The ingredients are the same. Merging to form the world's 4th largest car maker. Government intervention with a promise to protect jobs, and unions, (probably), threatening to strike if, (when), the lay offs start. Too many underused factories, and too many products competing for the same customers. It has to be said though, that BLs product range was more impressive, than streptococcals.
A recipe for disaster.
Here in Garlicstan (France) I live among die hard Peugeot owners, Citroen too. They would never be seen in the other brand of basically the same car. Then there is dyed in the wool Renault owners, the same applies. Most would not consider a Dacia or Nissan, PSA is their devils spawn.
I guess the same blinded brand loyalty was rife in Shitsville, Ford v Holden.
That was the same with the Italians up to the 80's. Now you don't see many Italian cars on the road in Italy because they even know what a pile of crap they are.
Yes - exactly. Citroen-Shitroen, except to the faithful.
@@johntheaccountant5594 thought lancia are still around, very popular small car in Italy?
It was much simpler here though because the average Aussie can only compare two things at a time, eg Ford/ Holden, Liberal/Labor, AFL/Rugby, Sydney/ Melbourne etc.
@@kenpickett9317 well there is no point complicating things if it doesn't achieve anything.
I heard their new model was going to be called the Uranus to go with their new customer service complaints department.
More likely ANUS 😂
@@angrysoybean1012 I think that what Albert was implying.
Are you sure it wasn't URINAL.
@@clubsportr08 No, that's the sales department!
To go with the new Pisseur
Stellantis sounds like something the doctor prescribes you when you no longer find your wife attractive.
Also known to treat the dreaded Softcockadopolous!
very well said!!
Haha
PSA are doing very well at the moment, their new cars are very good in both quality and mechanically.
What it also means is a door to the US car market, and PSA has access to the Chinese market due to having a chinese car company as a partner (dongfeng?) and the French government do have an ownership stake of around 13%, the French Government have a larger 15% in Renault.
James Tolkan was the actor who uttered the immortal line. "Your ego is writing cheques, your body can't cash." But points for movie quoting.
Best line in the whole movie!
"Slacker"!!
"If you screw up just this much, you'll be flying a cargo plane full of rubber dog shit out of Hong Kong!"
Chrysler continues their proud heritage as the Village Bicycle. Look who's riding her today......
Or perhaps Village idiot is more appropriate.
Lmao yall bunch of idiots. They’re making moves that EVERY company will be making in the future. Sergio and FCA revived the company to profitability and expansion. This is another step forward in companies needing consolidation to survive. One has great EV tech, the other has a large footprint to place that technology. It’s simple. Now they’re really the only legacy maker growing amongst a new pack of EV companies on multiple continents. 👏 Just ask their workers about their profit sharing... how you think Fords workers are feeling? 😂
I'm actually surprized that Stellantis isn't already a name for a Chinese car-brand.
Sound like something they would come up with...
lmao
I immediately thought of the Kia range: Stonic, Seltos, Sorento, Stinger, Sportage and add Celtos. No confusion there at all.
Stellantis sounds like a venereal disease
Hence the hospital package...
Or some corporation behind a virus that creates a zombie apocalypse.
Maybe a play of words on Stella (star in Italian), as in the Chrysler star and Atlantis, as in the trans-Atlantic deal.
Stellantis: The Lost Empire
@@kylesoler4139 exactly this, Umbrella something
"Synergies and economies of scale" is a management euphemism for lots of redundancies from the other divisions.
Yup.
not in France and Germany due to government shareholding (not sure how diluted German government shareholders are now or did they sell the shares (2008?))
@@QALibrary Hence my comment about conflict of interest.
It's an MBA bullshit for people are getting fired.
This was one Sssssssoooooooo good!
"peak wank" lol. When John gets his language flowing the imagery is amusing.
Thanks for reminding me to have my PSA test
This is actually very helpful. It reduces the list of companies never to buy a car from drastically. Stellar, no, Stellantis!
Stelltanic...
They are worried about selling cars not people's opinions, PSA knows how to sell cars just check what happened when they bought Opel, while with GM the brand sales were shit during all administration in about 2 years PSA brought it back in bussiness
Pity they didn't get Holden, Daewoo and Saab.
China owns saab
And Jaguar, Land Rover, Renault (includes Dacia), GM, Tata... putting all the rotten eggs in one basket.
They’ve kind-of got the Commodore. It’s currently sold by Opel and Vauxhall (now part of PSA, and so part of Stellantis) as the Insignia.
@@punkvoid9957 Actually defunct. NEVS the Chinese company bought out the Saab assets and untended to use the Saab name and emblem. They have no rights to the emblem. They are only producing car with the NEVS name. In effect the Saab name is gone from the automotive world. Saab AB the aerospace company soldiers on.
@@garfieldsmith332 how is Renault a rotten egg?
Peugeot 308 won car of the year two years a row. They are visually stunning automobiles.
I recently found out that the rear lamps represent tiger claw marks. Up the French! Quality
I agree. IMO Peugeot put out the best mainstream cars in Europe these days
Cars, cars everywhere but not a one I would drive.
Totally - but driving one is OK. Just don't own one.
Beatiful comment!
@@AutoExpertJC I was really happy with the previous Citroen I owned. I had it for 11 years and drove about 230.000 km in it. It was reliable and I did not spend much on maintenance and repairs. The two newer Citroens I have now seems to be as reliable and I have not had any issues with them. I do think that the reputation of Citroen quality is far worse than what the actual quality is.
@@leifsimmons2464 How do you feel owning one now that they are under the Fiat/Chrysler umbrella? Just saying those two names together makes me nauseous.
@@SirBunghole I don't know anything about F/C, but as I understand it, it is a merger and not an acquisition, so you might as well say that F/C is under the umbrella of PSA :-) In any case, I don't think the merger will affect my current ownership of Citroën cars. Though it might mean that the next car won't be a Citroën.
psa bought opel gm because it caused losses for years, one year was enough to start making profits
GM pretty much kept all their smaller brands on a token life-support for over a decade. When it came to Opel they were pretty much treated as the captured rocket-scientist who is kept in a basement and works for peanuts while the big shots get all the glory and rewards. Anybody abused will eventually just give up or work casually. GM kept thinking it was still in the 1960's well into the 2000's. Had it not been for the huge American market they'd be filing for bankruptcy long before the crisis in the late 00's.
Dr Google disgorged the following: "An anagram for Stellantis is "lets in salt", which is great for producing that distinctive, genuine Jeep rust"
What Jeep rust are u talking about ???
"Stellantis" Spelt backwards "Sit an l'lets.......wait for a tow truck again" oops sorry "Sit, na(h), l'lets... wait for a tow truck again?
Haha nice one lol
"Stallantis" - how could they miss such an obvious, cool car wars tag ? Presumably their vast array of SBmobiles will roll with a China sourced "one size fits all" electric motor in close proximity to each wheel ?
Actually, Stellantis backwards is "sit NA llets". still, nice try. I was looking at some funny anagrams, like "STATES NILL" or " "SLIT 'N' STEAL"
Nailed it
I think two of the biggest problems facing Stellantis’ products, along with Nissan, Renault and Ford’s - in the UK - is their abysmal marketing and poor customer service at dealer level. Their ranges are too complex and confusing to those consumers who exist outside of the industry and the ability to make informed choices is a lottery, leaving buyers to choose German or Asian brands based on perceived reliability. One of our best cars - the Ford Mondeo - has been dropped due to poor sales and yet it is a good car on so many fronts! Dreadful marketing and Ford’s dealership staff have chiefly contributed to its demise rather than it being an irrelevant car in today’s market.
I was wondering if you had fallen ill, since there were no videos for 5-6 days. Glad to see you hail and hearty.
I'm right as rain mate - it's just that car reviews take for ever to produce. And I'm doing a lot of that recently.
Not sure I’d class Peugeot (PSA) as a less attractive proposition then Renault these days. I Might have agreed 10 years ago though. Since 2014 when Peugeot first launched the second gen 308, they have consistently won European car of the year awards for every new vehicle they’ve launched. Quite silly of you to try to have people believe they are rubbish just because they’re not very big in the Australian market! 🙃
Seems like a train wreck in the making to me.
Me too, dude.
@@AutoExpertJC My dad pulled the leg of our neighbour who owns a Citroen and Vauxhall. The wind up in The Telegraph there was a competition where first prize was a car, second prize a Vauxhall and third prize a Citroen.
@@alexwright6038 Hahahaha!! Got him!
Ok, so you have Chrysler, the smallest of the "Big Three" that always had a bit of reputation for sub-par quality. Then you merge them with Daimler Benz ( that worked out magnificently btw.) and then with Fiat, a paragon of vehicular quality. On the other hand, you have Peugeot (I concede, they at least had their heads screwed on right at one time) weirdo Citroen (great quality pedigree there as well) and Opel. The saying goes that every car becomes an Opel, eventually. What could go wrong here?
Long time over due..let’s all wait for the Bang
I have an Alfa Romeo Giulia and it's the best car I've ever had. Hope they don't stop making such incredible driving machines.
Is that because you don't drive much?
@@drivingriding that is some acid you’re pouring. Look it up, Giulia and Stelvio are amongst the most reliable cars. More reliable than Audis and BMWs and Mercs ftm
@@RunTheTapeWell hello,telling me they are more reliable then BMW and Mercs proves nothing.European cars might be fun to drive and reliable for the first couple of years,after that they become expensive unreliable over engineered pieces of crap.Want reliability and durability you can not beat Japanese.
@@drivingriding i did wanted to buy a Honda, but then I test drove a Giulia. It was just impossible at that point to even look at anything else.
@@drivingriding just go test one. Then buy it.
The circle is complete.
In the late ‘70s Chrysler was in dire financial trouble and ended up off-loading its European car building operation to PSA*.
They continued it on until 1986 (with the small badge-engineered van range limping on as Talbot until 1994) when Talbot was ditched as it was deemed to be unnecessary within the PSA group. Models under development became Peugeots and Citroens.
And now here we are, with Chrysler joining up with the same people who took their European car range off them, tried running it for a few years, and ended up canning it.
Will history inevitably repeat itself here?
* it’s even more incestuous than that if you go back even further. Chrysler Europe was, until the PSA takeover in ‘78, made up of the British former Rootes group, and the French Simca. Previous to that Simca had been in partnership with FIAT, and had produced a few very heavily FIAT-influenced cars.
Regrettable Tale, John - For those who remember - Back in The Day - French President, Charles De Gaulle's, Legendary,
Citroen DS, Hydro-pneumatic suspension/ Peugeot 404, East African Safari winner/ Revvy, Italian engines/
Vauxhall Velox & Cresta/ Opel Commodore, Grand Daddy of Holden Commodore...
Are you being a bit like that Ancient Mariner? Stopping folks - like on the way to a wedding?
Fixing 'em, with Glittering eye & Hoary beard? :)
Can you imagine how big the Warranty Claim Department will have to be ??!! 😱 It's a hard No from me thanks !
See it from space...
In the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, the complaint department for an insurance company occupied an entire planet, so that's a starting point for planning purposes...
Wait! Merging FCA with PSA means a faster death for Tesla. FCA is one of the biggest buyers of EV credits from Tesla, but PSA has its own BEV technology, even for SUVs.
Reduced margins from increased competition, no more EV credits, and... Yesssss, Tesla goes the Blackberry way.
Psa will finish to buy Tesla ?
@@stephen10. PSA is disappearing now, it would have to be Stellantis instead. But market value for Tesla is too high to be overtaken by another car maker by now. FCA/Stellantis still has two more years (and something) to keep paying Tesla under contract for those EV credits.
But my guess would be Tesla will get bought by a Chinese maker after those credits run out. Tesla has a well known name and some good automotive engineers while the Chinese have plenty of cash and little prestige. Tesla won't disappear as a brand.
The only thing worth saving out of those brands is Alfa Romeo , beautiful designs. Im suprised Toyota or Honda hasnt bought them yet.
If Toyota bought Alfa, they could fix it. Hyundai too.
Why would Toyota or Honda want a failed brand, when they could hire the designers/stylists for far less money. Now imagine either brand with a "body by Alfa Romeo" vehicle; high sexy, high reliability.
Alfa Romeos and Lancias are rebodied Fiats with Fiat engines, suspension and brakes.
Branding like Audi, Seat, Skoda and VW.
@@markh.6687 So they could have a share of the Italian Car market , with much realible cars. Some people are loyal to their brands. Also they would adquire all the design talent.
Why do you think VW bought SEAT , DACIA and Skoda?
@@johntheaccountant5594 yep , prettty much , but Alfa's design and sense of fun is an asset in itself IMO. Like i already stated , its the only thing worth saving out of that pile of shit brands.
I love my 300 SRT8.
Tom Skerritt was also the captain of the 'Nostromo' (Alien 1979)
Wow...it's absolutely amazing to me that Chrysler/Jeep/Fiat has survived as long as they have; considering the low quality of their products. This merger will be interesting???
Chrysler/Jeep, and Dodge vehicles became cheap under Daimler Benz owner ship. Fiat actually upgraded or discontinued Daimler's crap
"Stellantis" sounds like a dodgy front for a ponzi scheme. Oh, wait...
Was about to say the same... Sounds to me like a multi-level marketing scheme...
The French government bought into "Solar Roadways".
And that went swimmingly well...
Vive la France et Stellantis?!
agreed sir ! greed breeds stupidity --
how come governments fall for these corporate scam? recently UAE and indian governments bought into the hilariously scammy 'hyperloop'. is the urge to 'one-up' other countries so high that you have to fall for obvious scams?
@@the80386 Coming from a country with the probably most corrupt government in the word, I can recognize that these things, while looking stupid from the outside, could actually be intentional. The "gullible" politicians that struck the deal are probably well compensated for the decision they made. Who the hell cares, it's no ones money, what else were they gonna spend it on, health care?!
yeah, corruption and kick-backs explain the issue. it's the sad reality
They were both competing hard for first place to be the worst car manufacturers.
To guarantee neither would not get the top position as worst manufacturer, they amalgamated.
Win-win...
My thoughts too. They are now jointly the ultimate champion!
“Writing cheques your body can’t cash” was actually quoted in Top Gun by James Tolkan, not Tom Skerritt. Sorry to burst your bubble.
57 Vauxhall. Drove that car for years.
I had a Citroën AX for 68.000 km without 1 single problem. I also had a Peugeot 308 for 70.000 km and a Peugeot 208 for 58.000 km, all without a single problem. Fine cars and maybe their network is not good in Australia, but I see no reason whatsoever to call them bad cars. I personally would never buy a Korean car, they lack personality.
At last someone who know a bit about cars outside of German and Asian brands. Seems like the comment section is full of people not having a clue about these cars. Which makes sense for an Australian channel I suppose.
70,000km is but in the teenage years for a car here. You don't see many Citroëns or Peugeots here with 250,000-300,000 trouble free kilometres on the clock. Unlike Toyota, Hyundai, Mazda...
I owned a Peugeot 306 and it blew a head gasket at 195000km. Ended up replacing the cylinder head and it was never the same since. Great car to drive though.
@@jantschierschky3461 I buy a new car every 5 years. Go to Africa and see the french cars do 500.000 kms or more.
@@jantschierschky3461 Then you have been in the English speaking countries. The French speaking, like for instance Morocco, are full of old french cars. Even the Peugeot 404 can still be seen. But you also see VW and Mercedes. Market is also rapidly changing into Korean and Chinese cars. The French cars because of historical facts and I do not say that they reached 500.000 km without problems....
You sir are an automotive sarcastic genus, my hat is off to you I watched it twice and laughed my ass off both times, well done!!!!
Driving a car with the reliability track record of Italian, 'murican, British and French cars. I guess there are fates worse than death.
Definitely.
Nice to see the bulk of the really shit cars coming from the same place...
Birds of a feather
Being french i wonder , If you dislike so much french cars , why don't you buy yourself FCA in the USA ? Why do you let PSA to merge with FCA ? Why does FCA has so much problems ?
Sadly, my government will do anything to allow them to survive. A bankrupt of PSA or renault will be a disaster in France.
The funny thing is: the most French car manufacturer is Toyota :):):)
PSA is a disaster for the world.
Triste mais vrai 😔
@@AutoExpertJC mostly because a poor management and conflict with French government for years.
The champions of getting government bailouts united under one name. They might have made a mistake here: who is going to bailout such a multinational monster next time?
Yes it's another reason merkel was so desperate for a brexit deal. The uk buys a lot of German cars, we could have crashed their economy single handedly if we had the guts to leave with no deal.
They make low odour 2020-FO now, and to my surprise it is practically odourless. I don't know how they managed that, but it's pretty miraculous.
Your best 1 to date. Keep it up John 😂
Hi John, I’m a fan but I think you have misjudged this one. Thousands of (mainly elderly) people are dying horribly in ICUs across the globe every day from COVID, and these are not images that should be used for satire.
Never heard such crap in my life.
Ignorant Australian lol
PSA builds good cars. This is a blessing for FCA.
I had to go and research it but The Rime of the Ancient Mariner is a fitting analogy.
John, I busted a gut laughing at your stinging commentary. Spot on, mate.
I’m surprised they didn’t call the new firm “Le Mac”.
Welcome back. Happy New Year #Fatman
Thanks, Taff - you too.
You've got to hand it to John, he has a way with words.
Amazing that the DAF brand is not included if they are situated in Holland.
Day after day, day after day,
We stuck, nor breath nor motion;
I bought a French car once. Was told that it only had one gear, "R". Is that for "reverse"?, I asked the salesman. Non, Monsieur, "Retreat". When I asked why the big rear view mirror, he said that's how French like to see the battlefields. Then I bought a German car. Very efficient; could drive from Berlin to Warsaw with one tank.
Very fun, have you ever owned a French car tho?
The silver lining, I suppose, is the increasing amount of sand being kicked into Electric Jesus' smugness.
He's impervious to that. Being a billionaire means you can have the best sandproofing available.
@@AutoExpertJC Fair point. He personally, yes. Maybe that PSA wallflower has a cupboard full of EV aids to help spice up the relationship. Either way, it's a load more green credits EJ is not selling from this point on.
Musk'll coup whoever he wants!
So, divisionally-speaking, this becomes a cross between musical-chairs and - ahem - Dodge-ball?
Maybe Stellantis sounds better in French or Italian?
On the operational level putting two losers together is a prescription for failure.
Very touching little speech.. However from January 2021 to present, Peugeot (excluding all other Stellantis brands) have been the second best selling car brand in Europe, with only VW (excluding Audi, Seat, Skoda) ahead of them. They have surpassed not only Renault but also Toyota in the European sales charts, selling some 724k units of their range. As for Ford, Hyundai and Kia, it’s fair to say they are some way behind Peugeot at present!
Epically on point John!
Cars cars everywhere and no one stopped to think.
I see what you're doing there, VB.
What's the problem the name chosen, or Peugeot, they make fine cars, or is it Aussies favourite pastime of 'French Bashing' not known for catching fire so often as KIa and Hyundai have been in the US!
Headquarters in the Netherlands? Citroen in Dutch means "lemon" Good enough for an icing on the cake?
Perfect fit.
I know of an NRMA recovery mechanic that got called to a 2 week old Citroen having deployed all its airbags start up one morning. Turned out when the HVAC system was installed it didn’t line up tithe firewall holes and one of the screws went through the main wiring harness. 2 week old car written off over a stellantis screw.
Think I've just soaked myself down below with laughter. Great video. Really great. Where's the bloody new Tucson review ffs?
In europe toyota uses peugeot vans as there comerical range
Prophetic eloquence! Beautiful. Any chance of you going the whole hog and turning this diatribe into rhyming metre?
Stellantis has no sales on China? Citroen is one of best selling brands in chinese market for decades with really enthusiast customers. Also Peugeot and DS are selling good in China, PSA have a joint venture company with largest Chinese automaker Dongfeng since 1992 for manufacturing Citroen and Peugeot models in China. They have another joint venture with another Chinese automaker Changan since 2011 for manufacturing DS models on China. PSA have their own design center in China and many models designed specially for Chinese market only. Also Fiat Chrysler have a joint venture company with another Chinese car maker GAC since 2010 for manufacturing Fiat and Jeep models on China for Chinese market. Also Dongfeng have 4.91% of Stellantis`s stocks.
"It's like a deleted scene from the worst David Attenborough documentary ever." LMAO @ ~1:50
They are boldly going where everyone else has been before... nothing to see here!
John, this is superb... love this presentation. The story itself is kind of sad, a story of failure and incompetence.
Hey John do you have any thoughts on the 18-20 Ford F-150 5.0L and the oil consumption issue with them? Have an 18 myself and just saw the class action suit come up. Love the channel
We don't get them here...
@@AutoExpertJC my mistake. I thought you might know about them no matter where they are. Thanks for the response though.
I remember another car maker with this number of brands. It was called British Leyland. That ended well.
No presence in China? are you sure?
PSA has 2 Factories in China (down from 4 about 3 years ago). FCA has 1, making Jeep and Fiat. They are under 2 different JV agreements, PSA with DongFeng and FCA with GAC. Think their current capacity combined is about half to two third of a million cars for domestic Chinese market.
The PSA plants are in Wuhan, which didnt help last year... But it was the reason that when Covid 1st hit, France arranged a flight to extract French citizens from Wuhan, they are mostly PSA workers. PSA also turned a profit with Vauxhall and Opel, which was unheard of under GM, FCA was actually making decent $$$ in China (thanks to Jeep).
As far as reliability goes, Jeep reliability/dependability was top 10 in China, ahead of Toyota and Honda, they must be doing something right over there.
FCA/Jeep under Stellantis is also "Trade war free". They dont have to deal with any of the fallout between US-China relations, no tariffs, no embargos, nada.
"Western Leyland" was taken?
Stelltanic would have been better.
@@AutoExpertJC The only difference is the ship had a band.
@@markh.6687 ...and the ship wasn't towing its own iceberg along, ie too many promises to too many people in various countries - when it hits, some part of the Stelltanic will sink and then you can bet they'll find a band (of PR geniuses) to play over the sound of factories shutting.
@@MrFlazz99 Good ones, Mr. Flazz99!
Great analysis. With the PRC electric car brands growing so rapidly, Stellantis will find it very difficult to make inroads into that market. They probably need to look to Africa and India for new market opportunities.
Hi John off this topic, will you be doing a review of the GWM Ute. Looking at purchasing a 4x4 & I’m on a budget. Looking for bang for buck but also reliability. Would like to know your thoughts & if you think GWM are a safe bet. Cheers Graham
As a younger man I owned a succession of Peugeots all bought new and coveried a total of 740,000km, combined they fewer unscheduled dealer visits than my current Volvo has in 77,000km; and no this has a Volvo engine not the PSA/Ford engine, if only. All except one a 306GTI6 were/are diesel.
The 1.6 (1560cc) 8v or 16v diesel engine (DV6) made by PSA/FORD is crap. They suffer from injector problems, high pressure pump problems, turbos blowing up early and other issues but to name a few. Egr issues and ECU failure is common also. I don't know which Volvo you have but if you have 2.4 that is better.
I only had one 1560 a 16v, it did 200,000km with only a starter motor beyond routine servicing. The Volvo is a 2.0 VEA D4204, three ECUs before 20000km, 10 unscheduled dealer visits, (who are excellent) before 30 months old.
I've heard that Chryslers are going to be built on PSA platforms .
Fiat 500 ( which is the mk2 Ford Ka platform ).
And the Fiat Punto ( which is the same platform as the recently discontinued GM Vauxhall /Opel Corsa ) will both use PSA platforms as well.
Ironically the PSA Vauxhall Corsa is the same as the Peugeot 208 .
However FCA are building a new plant in Poland which is going to construct Fiat Alfa Romeo and Jeep.
Whats next? Hemi Panda? I will buy one in a heart beat lol
I do hope so.
Hemi Hellpanda!
I laughed so hard at that hospital FCA part lol
John, are kidding me? This is gunna be unreal! I'm going to get the Opel "Commodore" wagon optioned up with one of those huge Chrysler V8's, a separate 4x4 Jeep chassis, some 33in muddies and roof racks for my surfboard! I've even got a name for it.....The Stellantis THUNDERWAGON! ( I do hope they haven't run out of yellow paint just yet)
John, do you recall when Daimler-Chrysler treated us to Dieter Zetsche doing their commercials?
How about when they made and ugly version of the SL called the Crossfire?
K Mart and Sears , sounds familiar. Look how well that worked out.
You remind me of the car salesman I used to work with back in the 80 s
Oi!
John you said they don't have a presence in PRC, but I read Dong Feng are a major(?) part of this show. Hmmm...
John. I did enjoy this one. As many a one. One thing omitted. Stelleantis surely was the submarine name the bond baddie got blown up in ??????
Should've been 'Stelltanic'...
Anyone give me odds on Ellesmere Port being the first car plant to close?
If the UK stops selling new petrol/diesel engines in 2030 then PSA already said they would invest no more and with Brexit and old carlos saying if the terms doesn't suit him then boom. Odds are pretty high i reckon.
can you imagine the dealer service and warranty claims?
John I can’t wait to see the new NSW HWP SRT Panda 😂
Panda SRT Hemi - yessssssss!
So PSA, who bought Chrysler Europe in 1978, now has the rest of Chrysler! I saw today that the next 208 will be electric only. Wonder if this will apply to C3/DS3/Corsa/Punto/Giulietta and friggin Neon!
They now have what's left of AMC (Jeep) that Chrysler bought from Renault.
@@dr.elvis.h.christ There is a split occurring in the car manufacturing world. While Europe is rapidly heading for ICE bans and China seems to be more and more electric, the USA still loves "trucks" and Japan doesn't seem to be enthusiastic to ditch petrol. Interesting times.
I really do need attention. I have owned a FIAT 125S, an Alfa GTV, a SAAB 900 V6 now driving a Skoda Octavia and an MGTF 160. Is there any hope?
Yes. Own them all at the same time.
Could be good thing as long as Shitsville gets Dodge Challenger, Charger and Durango to compliment Jeep GC SRT and Trackhawk power kings.
For PSA products, zero interest.
I mean you'll need technology and hybrid system in the future.
American cars are great in their own way, but Dodge and Ram cannot survive by buying C02 credits from Tesla forever.
PSA has technology, good manufacturing and reliability ( not Toyota level) and is innovative in design. Look up the new 508 or 308 and 208 and tell those cars are not interesting.
John , please use some of your 2020FO on the pointer mate .
Or get some use with another backyard physics lecture.
Stellantis is working with former Holden management to ensure workers get what they deserve.
Stellantis is stillborn. A better name is Stell-anus.
"A desire to buy any Stellantis product is the sign of a serious medical emergency requiring immediate care. Do not own or drive a Stellantis if you have an IQ score higher than that of a brick."
Stelltanic.
Soon to be an exhibit at The Glug-enheim Institute of Buoyancy Mechanics.
@@AutoExpertJC Typo. I still like Stell-anus.
It sounds awfully similar to the GFC when a load of bad debts were consolidated into a new investment and the resultant merger given a AAA credit rating. Is Stellantis going to inevitably sink taking all its new investor's money with them? Call me old-fashioned but I like to think I learn from past mistakes.