Trump and South Africa: Doing Musk's bidding? • FRANCE 24 English
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
- One might assume that the new president of the United States has a pretty full in-tray. So at first glance, it was a bit of a surprise to hear Donald Trump lash out at South Africa, threatening to cut aid over its 2023 Employment Equity Act. There's obvious suspicion over who did the whispering in Trump's ear. South African-born Elon Musk has been locking horns with the ANC-led government of Cyril Ramaphosa over its refusal to sign onto SpaceX founder's Starlink broadband via satellite system. Musk calls post-Apartheid laws on Black empowerment "openly racist". Who wins this showdown? More broadly, are tech titans now dictating US foreign policy? How much power do they wield? And as the developing world goes online, who controls the personal information of citizens who log on?
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You all miss the the hidden issue: South Africa went the International court over Israel and USA does not like that.
SA is still in solidarity with Palestine, that won't change. We stand up against bullies. US has no say in our land. BRICS is the future of SA
Surely Afriforum member that one, he cannot downplay the land issue to anc factions. We cannot have 7 percent of white people owning majority of the land.
Similar issue happened during last term of presidency as well.,,,be4Izrael
@@kwatson917 The ANC were bankrupt. Iran offered to settle their debts and give them money, if they took Israel to the ICC.
Nothing about BRICS either.
South africa doesn't need aid from other countries. We are a very rich country with corrupt management
Rich for nothing yes. Trump is coming
@@johandebeer8180 it true ! Only if :
the squanderimg stops
And people who are capicated lead
That is the problem it has been so for long all countries in Africa are rich but all leave by foreign aide all until Africa wake up
Then say no to aid…
@@isaca1543The people who receive and ask for it steal it is basically what the man says. Everything. Internal wealth, aid, everything goes to a few extremely wealthy and their family at the top. Communism, you know?
Trump and Elon do not speak for all white South Africans, I am not oppressed, yes, our politics is complicated, but I as a white South African live a decent life. To all my fellow white South Africans I ask you to think for yourself and work with other South Africans to make things better, rather than let Apartheid holdouts or foreign billionaires control your opinions and thoughts.
Thank you.
👏🇿🇦
You deserve a kiss from blackie like me
Where are geniuses like you hiding 🫡
@@noregularyoutuber In the average towns, just trying to get a college education.
Remember South Africa is a BRICS country and that was already a reason for Trump to start trade barriers against SA
Ding ding ding ding
South African here: Musk & his father have previously expressed 'nostalgia' for the apartheid period of South African history. His comments are utter rubbish & related to not getting his way with Starlink this country. South Africa has ALWAYS had a land expropriation law, which was used to great effect during apartheid to expropriate the land & homes of thousands of black South Africans. Personally, I also think this is US spite over South Africa's support of Palestine & the ICJ court case against Israel.
South Africa is a blip in Elons financial portfolio, try to not be blatantly ignorant….as mot]4th Americans we know you are a]far away from everything, but this is the dumbest defense i have ever heard……
@@creationsandjournal I'm sorry, but your response is quite naive and frankly dumb.
Yes, he doesn't need the money, but he loves to get his way. And, you are completely
missing the main thrust of her argument.
@@creationsandjournal Suggest you enlighten yourself about Musk's comments on X about South Africa. Then you can explain why Trump made an ignorant public 'statement' about South Africa ...a small country which , as you rightly say, is not even a blip on the US economic radar?
@@creationsandjournal We are BRICS nation. Not a part of the West. Leave Africa out of your mouth, Boer
You are a European south African?
South Africa took Israel to the ICJ and America seeks blood.😢
Ray Heartly did not anticipate that Babalwa will be present, her present neutralise his intention to trash our country.
Not at all. He went with AfriForum projection of SA, packaged for the American ignorant...
The girl represent us very well.
Hartley and Mills... They're the reason I won't pay for a Daily Maverick subscription. They're in good company with Musk, Trump and Afriforum.
Absolutely taken aback, nullified to say the least
Exactly! These foundations/institutes are deployed to propagate these views on global networks.
We thank God to see the awakening of black South africans.
Black South Africans always woke…they freed this country themselves. Economic inequality will be lessened in our time
We've never been asleep to begin with
@@thandisilec835never alone my sister - many white people stood shoulder to shoulder with you. We are all South Africans - don’t let Trump divide us
@@thandisilec835So Economic equality not bases on merit is the answer to South Africa’s unemployment. Go girl, see how far you get in creating jobs for the 60% unemployed youth.
@lol the delusion that you seem to think that only white SAns create jobs when they are key reason why Black and Coloured youth unemployment is so high and our economy isn’t growing…it’s their gatekeeper and white joys only club mentality holding this country back. Choke on that fact!
8% of the population can't own 78% of the land. It's not allowable.
8% of the population is providing 78%++++ of the land with FOOD. Capiche?
@@sonjaswart9866How was the land producing the food, acquired?? 😂😂.. By being taken force fully... By displacement of black & colored People.
8% don't own 78%,that is a lie manufactured by some in the media,the land audit does not support that at all.
...the land was bought. What happened in 30 yrs to buy land with money, not mahala!?
@@corneliacoetz243 The land wasnt bought.. It was taken force fully... 😂😂.. Without compensation.
This young lady dealing with this gentleman with intellectual facts. Not with sentiments
I pray everyday that black will finally be free
What does that even mean ?
@@Otherlevel51 Freedom comes from within.
@@viperwr5667 blk people understand what I mean.
@@sonjaswart9866 please
Me too eish🤦🏽♀️free from white supremacists
Right after saying he is using starlink and the internet froze ... South Africa doesn't need starlink ... so embarrassing 😂😂
Don’t think he has starlink - we can’t access it in SA, and it Starlink is good. BEE stops us getting it, sadly, as those who can’t afford internet would have access to internet.
Having said that, I would not purchase Anything that Elon Musk has had anything to do with.
Mabasa👏perfectly gave the reality of the situation in SA
Let him do it. We are tired of being threatened. Some of us are thankful to him, this will teach us to be self-sufficient.
South Africa does not need aid, if corruption is handled, then there is enough money for all they getting aid for.
Absolutely!!!
This is NOT weak Zimbabwe. We are not under the thumb of mother england! South African whites are not dual citizens with white loyalties pledged to king and britania!!
They're not Africans
We also have relationships with nations that have navigated this route very well. No fear.
@ Grow up!!
@rudidehaan7737 Zuma should be the next King
@@suzygirl1843 what are they
South Africa poked Israel that's the problem
Israel is not our problem. BRICS is the future for Africans
Bulelwa dispelled all myths and misinformation beautifully.
SA must expropriate mineral resources. We are not benefitting from our mineral wealth.
The government has messed up mineral rights in SA, that is why most companies either go to other African countries or overseas now.
Because the jews who owned the gold and other metals mines have for some reason pulled back and the Chinese are now taking over mining.
@R.EGrantham False. Fake news.
That’s because our mining laws and regulations make it unviable. The trains can’t transport the ore. There is not enough electricity to smelt metals. The zama zamas from Lesotho, Mozambique and Zimbabwe are now taking “your minerals”.
Why does South Africa need US financial aide?
So that anc can take more tax payers money for themselves while using usaid to feed the masses claiming it's the anc who's feeding the people
Great question
It was based on US foreign policy and that aid is all over the world...South Africa is paying 90% of its public health care projects
R1.00. Out of R10.00. Goes to he needy the other R9.00 goes to the ANC. Its called corruption
Cuz the ANC suck
The irony of being disconnected after disclosing that you're using Star Link. The Universe is a very funny man 😅
Its all hype ... the chinese will introduce better
@@katlegodidit I saw that 🤣🤣🤣, Starlink not well represented there
What a disappointment 😂😂😂 meanwhile Bulelwa and Ray are using boma Rain, MTN,Vodacom, Telecom or CellC
To hell with starlink.we going back to mother nature.
Ms Mabasa explained the south african situation perfectly with facts.
Elon Musk's problem in South Africa is the 30% BEE Policy to a ANC Cadre, or ANC Politicians
BEE is here to stay...period
Try again, that’s not it
Without BEE I don't think South Africa will have any Black multimillionaires. Much as the BEE as a policy is being abused by those who are politically connected it's a good policy to empower black people.
2:30 We in the United States have a similar law called Eminent Domain.
Yes and you receive compensation. Also Eminent Domain is limited.
As a South African who used to be pro-Western and thought closer relations with the USA was a great thing, but I now believe we should move closer to China and Russia, at least they won't treat us with contempt and undermine our sovereignty. I'm disgusted by everything that is America now!
No stay in the middle and neutral, as SA always have been. Be smart and strategic. None are our friends, we are trade partners and nothing more. It’s all business. Of there’s a best government to manouvre this, it’s the ANC…hate to give them props but they are best for this type of job. They are trained in sine resolve tactics…Zuma as much as this country hates him, he’s a great example of that within ANC. Ramaphosa has done great too how he’s backed it so far…
Lady why dont you mention that 8% taxpayers sustain the entire country? Not to mention the 52% unemployed as a result of the mismanagement and theft by criminal ANC Govt for 30 yrs!
Lol 38% general unemployment, means 62% pay tax. Minus 8% 54% will continue to sustain SA when they choose the USA represents their values and migrate there. Win win 👏
No such question was asked, she is explaining what they are asking him and not your theory
The land has got nothing to do with the ANC mismanaging the country. Even if we starve to death that law will not be changed . The US can sanction all they want. We have the world to trade with the US is not the only country in the world
So you justifying for your forebears whom stole our land and kept us from growing our own industries to excel and etc.
That's why black South Africa have a problem with you white South Africans. You are the one's whom will cause a civil war/revolution because we had enough for a century.
That’s because they stole the land and resources and made black people second class citizens in their own homeland.
It is quite disingenuous to call the DA a centrist party.
Much appreciated Bulelwa. U presented South Africa quite well.
When he said starlink is a useful connectivity device then he lost connection 😂
Well articulated Babalwa. People are out there telling liars
Troll
@@troy1709-h5fYou are a troll. Babalwa is articulate and well spoken, she tells our truth, not what you people believe.
Why dont you mention racist discrimination laws I.e. BEE etc to give your viewers the full picture. Very bias programming.
Answer the question as why Elon and Trump are lying?
Lol cry more 😂
So u think when US say they need 50% ownership of tik tok is not racist law?
How can the local benefit financially when you operate and milk their resources?
@@bluegomez4517 not racist, nationalist. Huge difference.
@@hotwings9382 Yeah! I would have taken it as a huge insult if I was black. It only breeds a feeling of inadequacy. A pitty as there are so many brilliant black people in SA.
You did an excellent job, Babalwa. 👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾
95% of all land claims have been settled,most beneficiaries were paid in cash,they did not want the land,SA spends more on VIP protection 2 billion rand than land reform 1.2 billion rand.
They want the farms - the developed farms (not sand). An ANC spokesperson said Ramaphosa signed the bill because the people want the land.
And how much did your apartheid government spend on killing black South Africans in the past, do you know??
@@Scot-Scot-f8c Commercial farming is an expensive business,30% of South Africa is arable,the rest needs a borehole,we have food security,priceless in Africa,most of SA population lives in urban areas,once again the ANC doesn't read the room,people have aspirations,very few of those aspirations lie in farming.
@@davidmcfarlane5873 well that needs changing
8% of the people do not own 78% of the land,that is not true
Report said 72% get the numbers right. It is possible that whites own 72% of the land. I have travelled to Bloemfontein and saw massive farms owned by white farmers.
Stop lying ,just stop lying !
@TheHuny85 Individuals own 39%,Trusts 25% like the Ingonyama Trust,companys 25%,the rest family society's etc.This excludes govt owned land,Swaziland,Lesotho,Transkei,Ciskei,etc.etc.
😂😂😂stop lying to the international audiences
@@hopes9451 The truth will set you free,try Stats SA and logic.
Call just about black and white what about the other races being discriminated against with these policies 30 yrs how much longer much we stay in the shade
You do know BEE is meant for everyone who didn't benefit from Apartheid like Indian and coloured communities too,right? Y'all really need to read our laws and policies fr
@@khanyi8512it used to be but not anymore. I don't mind BEE as long as strong black talent is appointed but sometimes the ppl who get the job are idiots but get away with it because they're black
@@khanyi8512 sorry that doent come first
ITS TIME FOR "REPUBLIC OF AFRICAN UNITY". ❤❤
No continent richer than Africa.
We need to begin now.❤❤❤❤
You can't even get in with Rwanda, all tribes hate each other so there will never be an united Africa period, even the tribes in SA alone hate each other, corruption is the problem
You can't even get in with Rwanda, all tribes hate each other so there will never be an united Africa period, even the tribes in SA alone hate each other, corruption is the problem
This is a country that is on the verge of economic collapse. The once thriving developed and completely self sufficient country, whose currency was stronger than the dollar 30 years ago, now has 50% unemployment, 19m people on welfare, 80% of municipalities are bankrupt, and every state owned entity is dysfunctional and riddled with debt. The 72% figure you quote is absolute nonsense. The state owns the most land, followed by the Zulu Tribe. Laws favour the black majority, reserving university places, jobs, and all businesses must have at least 30% black owners. It is a failed state, cosying up to China Iran and Russia with its socialist ideology.
You mean that same South Africa that was only serving less than 10% of the population for over a century? You mean that SA which was bankrupt when ANC government took over and the country only came out of the red in the mid 2000s? Did you even know your apartheid gov left a country that was bankrupt? Lol you racist boers are such simpletons 😂
Saying DA are centrists is laughable😂 lmao
I thought I was the only one who caught that statement. These guys are something else, the other DA member in another interview said, "DA is the only party that cares about the poorest of the poorest" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@krackhead84 thats even funnier! They are well known Elitists🤣😂
Most of the parties in SA are openly racist though they usually target foreigners
@@krackhead84😂😂😂
i literally laughed, why do right wingers always claim the centre😂
Go South Africa
Changes must be made to land ownership laws from apartheid regime
No longer can 12% (western white)
control dominate 88% of the world's population
South African government is a racist regime, but since it is black racism, nobody says anything.
Fotsek
You stole for centuries and now you do want to give about what has been stolen.
@ I am not your kin, I have never stolen anything from anybody.
@@ernestmocumi5240 why are you gay?
Your ignorance is astounding, there are more millioners and billionaires in the ANC government than there were during the previous racist dispensations. Figure it out
South Africa has no right to US tax payer funds. Tell me why a person in Alabama should be forced to send their money to SA at any level no matter what SA does. Let SA be SA, let USA go on with its own business.
I think you didn't considered humanitarian AID like diseases prevation and epidemic control. Example HIV/AIDS,TB,Malaria.......
We don't need their money, you can take it for yourself please.Trump can shut up
Yeah I think we can survive that 17% loss from them.
Well said the same aid is a problem
SA doesn't get money from the USA , USA is funding NGOs that are controlled by the Americans.
Why 🤔🧐 the current authorities who have been immorally ruling South Africa for 30 years have led the once richest country in Africa to collapse? which currently has the highest unemployment rate in the world 33-38%, the highest crime rate in Africa, gangs prowl even during the day, it is dangerous on the streets of South Africa, tourists do not come to this country, South Africa has the highest social inequality in the world 63% of the ginni index, Zimbabwe once the granary of Africa, a rich country in Africa as there were European farmers, the answer is questionable
only they were rich no one else stop being dishonest
in fact you can't its your nature
Where have you been living??? South Africans do have an issue with this! bill!! ramaphosa signed the bill without consulting with SA ppl
The left … protect their friends on the left.
The left is evil.. irrespective if its in South Africa or in France… the left is a world wide pandemic
Oh shut up...stop lying 🤥🤥🤥
Are you referring to the South Africans who oppose transformation?
Does SA;s membership in BRICS+ have anything to do with this USA aggression?
@@MthobisiMsomiNxumalo🙈🙉🙊
Did Europeans and Americans in Africa in South Africa bother you so much? Zimbabwe, once the richest countries in Africa that are falling into ruin, Zimbabwe, once the granary of Africa, how former white farmers, Europeans and Americans, created the wealth of Africa and still create the wealth of African countries, but they disturb African xenophobia and discrimination business people who create jobs in Africa and pay taxes South Africa is falling into a disaster, the highest unemployment rate in the world, the highest insecurity rate, the highest social inequality
France chose to give away their country. Stop your whining because America will not.
Mother ruSSia will definitely do how you say it. They are brave indeed.
Stop whining white dude
Are you seriously want to put the blame for the anc's 30years of a failed state on Elon Musk and president Trump???
I can tell you know nothing about the politics of South Africa.
Focus, we are not talking about the ANC governments failures over the past 30yrs but about specific event. Namely, the expropriation act and the US' reaction to it.
There are over 140 race laws in South Africa designed to socially and economically exclude all minorities.
If the laws were meant to harm the minority, why are the living much better off than the majority...
Boohoo
Who have been stealing from the natives since 1652....noob
@@kindarosasaki9059
And your point is?
@@Jazzmatazz1849
You seem intelligent ... provide the answer to your question!
They need to address the inequality and gross negligence pushed onto all South Africans over the past 30 years
@ you want to talk about the colonial times I had nothing to do with that. But you most certainly have a lot to do with what is happening now you are supporting a regime that pushes stupid legislation, is corrupt and does nothing for the people but enrich themselves and their friends.
Sorry... the land belonged to the bushman...
Europeans telling Africans which African land belongs to who 😅
@@deborahfilippi798well the Bushmen are are Africans
@@sekikiwilliammamaila3046 I'm a South African
I hope south Actually takes land.
Yup and turn into Zimbabwe 2.0. Bright spark you are 🙄🙄🙄
Its actually KhoiSan land. My people were here b4 Bantu & Europeans.
@@user-ez9en7vk2z hahahaha almost everyone in southern Africa except North of Zimbabwe has Khoisan ancestors. All the clicks don't get ignorant. Also what happened to Zimbabwe is not a horrible thing. Yes in the short time they got poor but now they are on their way up and their industry and commerce aligns more with the majority not alike this extractive banana republic masquerading as a democracy but the people are held hostage to the interest of industry and commerce. The same industries that are completely deaf to the suffering of the African child.
😂😂😂😂@@user-ez9en7vk2z
@@user-ez9en7vk2zZimbabwe because of the illegal sanctions
@@user-ez9en7vk2zZimbabwe was sanctioned. South Africa is not. And even if they sanction it, it won't change anything since South Africa has something Zimbabwe didn't have back then, BRICS.
Did the Khoisan say South Africa was their alone or the your invading white masters claim that?
There's no one who saw the so-called migration of Bantu lol.
Bantu are Africans, they were free to move anywhere on their land for thousands and thousands of years. They don't need your white masters to gate keep that
The Nigerian is thinking because he does not know.
30% black partner not any partner
AND ITS GOOD
Don’t judge a law by its intended purpose. Judge it by its worst possible abuse. Ask Zimbabwe how this went down for them.
@soara4634, ah, the overplayed "fear mongering" card ♦️ ... Too worn out, no one falls for it anymore.
We are not Zimbabwe
Ay least they still own their land 🤡
So you love the current status score where 70% of the land in SA is in the hands of a white minority that is a mere 6% of SA population?
If you don't have the knowledge about something just keep quiet.
It is the sanctions on Zimbabwean not white leaving the country.
Absolute rubbish responses, from so called experts. The big controversy is the NIL compensation, the expropriation already exist. Furthermore public interest, reasons or situations is extreme vague. The definition of property is very undefined. Can be land and investments.
PS. I am a concerned South African
Many countries have expropriation laws, but none of them allow for expropriation with zero compensation. This is far too much power to give the state. In the context of our SA constitution as well. Property is not defined simply as land, but all property, your car, your cash, your pension, etc.
Yes and that law clearly states that.
@@Scot-Scot-f8c no it doesn't
@@Scot-Scot-f8c no it doesn't. Please just read the laws instead of being misled by others just read.
Bulelwa Mabasa❤❤❤
The best voice on the panel. ❤❤❤❤
The RET faction want the State to own all the land in South Africa, this law will allow them to expropriate land in the future without compensation.
Land reforms are clearly needed in South Africa. Once British left India, India too faced this issue. Those that could not reconcile with potential land reforms decided to side with Jinnah. Starlink will be expensive. I would like to see its penentration in wealthy markets before heading to low GDP countries.
How did you Indians get to South Africa you clown. Go back to India if you are tired, you dirty racist people
She represented us very well.. 🎉🎉🎉
Bulelwa Mabasa knows well that the SA government is going to misuse this bill. She makes as of it is not a big deal. This will age badly.
🙄
Lol
Ja, when you can't argue on the technicalities of the law, you can always delve into speculation.
We have courts in this country. If there was ever abuse the courts will rule.
60% of the land in South Africa belongs to the ANC. Why dont they start by distributing that without compensation?
I think is more than that.
I miss Gaddafi 😢
Well i challenge anyone to read the laws here, and how blatantly racist they are.
Give us examples.
So equality feels like oppression now? What are your thoughts on Apartheid laws...especially the land act under that time...I'm curious 🤔
More racist than refusing to share a bench with a black man? 🤔
Seems like South Africa has two Presidents, Elon in USA and Ramaphosa in SA
No America has two Presidents. Elon Musk and Donald Trump
And we only recognise only one president. President CR Ramaphosa
Musk have nothing to do with South Africa, he doesn't even care about Canada where his parents come from, he and Trump only want to revenge ending of apartide.
Elon Musk economy is more bigger than South Africa economy and Elon Musk have the capacity for developing new country else where for his racist peoples.
If South Africa does not take the land law down, Trump and Elon Musk will destroy South Africa economy.
We wish. Anyone but ANC
U wrong Americans got 2 presidents trump n musk
And every aspect she mentioned where they can expropriate, for railways etc, the ANC government has actively broken the railway system. It's literally broken.
South Africa should build nuclear power plants with a capacity of 50 GW, gas power plants with a capacity of 50 GW, South Africa should extract shale gas for its own use and for export to Europe in the form of liquefied natural gas (LNG) + Uranium
South Africa should produce processors, semiconductors, 2mm and 3mm chips, electric cars, gas cars, robots🤖🤖🤖
Branches of Amazon, Microsoft, Google, Facebook should open in South Africa
A space industry should be established in South Africa, spaceships, rockets and planes should be produced in South Africa
South Africa is only country in the world that gave up its nuclear weapons, so doubt we’d ever consider nuclear anything. But agree with rest what you said
Has anyone advised those that are producing uncontrollably to stop having children that they cannot support !!That is one of the biggest problems we face!Children as young as 10 years old are having kids!
It is called statutory rape in South Africa and should be prosecuted the full extent of the law.
SA birth rate according to World standards is not high at all.
African majority will expand and multiplay. Your wishful thinking will never come true, sorry.
South Africa's birth rate is roughly at a replacement level
Has yo 10 Yr old fallen pregnant.Its very rare in our own country in SA.Aftr all in the UK 14yr olds are already engaging in adult activities
i cannot watch this once the greatest, richest country in Africa with developed infrastructure fall into decline, South Africa has the highest unemployment rate in the world 33-38% in South Africa there are 8.5 - 9 million unemployed people, 10% of households have no electricity, South Africa has the highest crime rate in Africa, 87 crimes occur every day South Africa has the highest wealth inequality in the world 63% rate ginego, tourists do not come to this country because it is dangerous on the streets of South Africa, theft is rampant in South African cities, let's put an end to it, to save this once wonderful country, we need to elect South African citizen Elon Musk and the liberal party Alliance Democratic DA as president of the Republic of South Africa
Why make a law you never going to use. Do you think we are as stupid as the people who wants it
As a South African Trump is correct .I live here .
WHite South Africans are not to be trusted
Wrong. I also live here.
Go to Trump and leave South Africa
Let Elon do some doge in South Africa !
BRICSs is here to save us
@@suzygirl1843please we aren’t some damsel in distress, we trade like all nations. US must stop thinking it’s the only one that should be trading with us
The vague generalised way in which he is speaking, shows us that he has just heard something and knows nothing about the facts.
Hearing people say we don't need aid so just say it we don't need and stop complaining, l. Am. Sure some of your poor people need it
We will figure it out, why must we cry for money that’s not ours?
What is she saying.why is she not telling you about the hateforwhites and the corruption.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Why is everyone freaking out? Let Rubio go there and see how the money is spent?
Get rid of beee 😢😢😢😢
Not until there's equality
@@erlingprezens2721 it's time for republic of African unity. All precious germs to Africa first. What land richer than africa then? 😁😁
Why does the ANC use in there defense....it's apartheid...they are then causing apartheid now😢
@@erlingprezens2721 what defence?
They are wrong bru for what they doing too the poor people ,blacks ,whites and colored..look at BEEEthere are people that's without work now 😢
I thought protecting minority rights was very important?
The majority…. ARE a minority, in land ownership.
I’m using Starlink right now … in Zimbabwe (make of that what you will)😌
Seems not who knows where it will end.
@@rockpoppets6182 if you are cool with 3% owning 95% of land in your country…that is your prerogative. We respect your agency…we are not, respect our agency. 😌
I respect South Africa for trying. A person who has nothing to lose, is not good to overall society as a whole.
@AlbertBormant , there's a huge difference between privilege and rights. No one is entitled to privilege.
@ he is not talking about privilege but minorities
Trump doesn't do anybodies bidding. Just look how far South Africa has fallen. Once a rich, vibrant country. It has become another Rhodesia.
@bookertee3057 Are you being serious?
Yes rich and vibrant country for 10% of the population who are not even indigenous to the land, cry me a river
South Africa is fallen ?😂😂😂😂😂 you're joking rite
Rich for who not the black
Land that they have stolen
Rhodesia???with the biggest GDP in Africa??? BRICS member and hosting the G20 summit this year..what are you smoking??
The Khoi and San (Aboriginal (Natives) so. Called Coloreds has not been drawn into the conversation. Hence EWC are deemed Unconstitutional
Which are black, what was your point ?
You know khoi and San aren't coloured? That's not even the correct classification. You can look up the genetic make up.
Haha you whites love to play divide and conquer, you talk as if you give a damn about the Khoi, and btw the Khoi are a seperate tribe that still exist in southern African countries chased away by your great grandfathers
😂What Khoi are coloureds now? There were no such people in South Africa
😭😭😭😭
They want property, not just land. It's everything. Intellectual property, businesses, pensions, bank accounts, your house, car, it's infinite, actually.
It's would seem that apartheid did more harm to you than to the previously disenfranchised 😮😮😮😮😮...
@Jazzmatazz1849 What are you on about? I am one of the so called previously disenfranchised, you're racist.
@Jazzmatazz1849 Not everyone puts their hand out instead of doing an honest days work.
@Jazzmatazz1849 What's your IQ? 70?
If that is on the cards too, we would accept it with both hands because we know all those things you mentioned are the proceeds of apartheid laws and oppression. However, for now, this Act focuses on land-that’s the priority. They can keep their houses, cars, and everything else.
Thank you Bulelwa
Bulelwa you the best, I've been following you explaining this controversial law, West need to understand that this law is mandatory and for them to keep on going back n forth to their papa Trump ain't going to help.
No white farmers no food, ask Zimbabwe.
Lol yea act like a dumb person ignoring the sanctions on Zimbabwe 😂.
@@blackstreet2007 These white people get on my nerves with their delusionally selective 'recollection' of historical facts. They never, ever, ever, ever take responsibility for any of their actions. Make me sick!!!! Ugh!!!!
Sanctions from UK and usa hurt Zimbabwe
That's not a problem
Why are you confused? They said “unused” land may not be compensated, there are certain conditions. They won’t take productive land.
Elon Musk is right about racist ownership laws, called B.E.E which have been around for decades. Nothing controversial about stating a fact.
Kahle wena
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The racis that have been killing black south Africans crying about racism
Not fair, white people had a 400 year headstart
The Expropriation Bill is one of many indicators that Whites enjoy a diluted version of citizenship compared to Blacks.
Same with the 120+ other racial laws that the ANC regime promulgated against Whites since 1994.
The ANC regime has relegated Whites to 'lesser citizens' that can be discriminated against.
The SA constitution must be tested to set the record straight for equal status of all citizens irrespective of skin colour.
I hope the USA will help to get the racial bias scrapped forever from the lawbooks of SA.
30:00 good ad for Starlink lmao
Trust the anc to not use this bill to enrich them??? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Well done Mabasa
Let's take our land back again.
Let's DO IT
Also, wrong from the woman speaking from Johannesburg, the section pertaining to instances whereby property may be expropriated without compensation stipulate that it must be property that is either indebted, abandoned, held for speculative purposes, or in public interest. The last case, public interest, include tribal land claims, so it is in fact racial.
This Act is not about race. It aims to correct the injustices of the past, injustices that many of those responsible and their beneficiaries seem comfortable with. The land we are now required to buy was forcefully taken from our forefathers. For that reason, any sections your people acquired without compensation should be eligible for expropriation without compensation under this Act but unfortunately that is not the case.
@ So it is about race.
@TheoOosthuizen-xs2nq, I'd like to share my family's experience with land restitution to illustrate why this issue is so important to me. My great-grandparents' farm in Mpumalanga was taken from them, and we have records and even family graves on land we're now prohibited from visiting. This is a lived experience for me, and I'm a direct beneficiary of the restitution process. Our family, along with many others in my district of Hazyview (specifically 680 families with documented ties to farms taken during apartheid), has been navigating the legal system since 1998. The process is incredibly slow, often hindered by landowners seeking prices far exceeding valuations. Given this reality, it's difficult to simply "get over it" as the impact is still felt deeply.
Nope not like American law.
It is a serious issue, they want centralised government
We should have a monarchy. Long live the Zulu Nation
There is no exapropriation of land in the United States without proof of no alternatives and serious public need and only with market value compensation.
there is such a law its called eminent domain in the U.S.A.
@@wilowa1413 and the earliest use of eminent domain was to take land away from native Americans, usually with military force
Thank you for convening a fine panel and leading an unusually illuminating discussion.
Yhuh, Bullie kwedini,, dont you wanna be Chairperson for the parliment Mama? the country could do with more of your service and skills
Bullying ? No its art of persuasion
You forgot to say handing over a big chunk to a black No contributing partner.
Isn't South Africa for South Africans? Inequities and plunder continue to be existential cancer engraved by the west in the fabric of the South...how long can the South endure this pain and horror?
... No, only for the majority to gain votes for ANC that's why BEEE cripples the country!
South Africa is a failed state😂
Because of your Ancestors Msunu kanyoko
@@craigdavidson1493 True
@@craigdavidson1493 BRICS is here to save us
What an insult from this Alexander Kateb to call us weakest link.
The anc are killing rsa..😢
As the DA does
Everyone is corrupt black ,white ,colored...that's why all this is happening..the wrath of god😢
We going to vote for ANC until Jesus come back
@@Sam8163-f4fDA has helped more poor people with infrastructure then anc, please open your eyes
Afriforum and apartheid right wings are killing South Africa
Thank you my sister for representing our country n speaks truth about SA❤🇿🇦
Thank you Bulelwa for offering clarity. Ray just gave his wrong twisted version
Their Ford is Assembled in Pretoria and sold to Europe and elsewhere 😊