Dave Rat Responds to Reddit - Episode 4
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
- After several people forwarded links to a subreddit with hundreds of posts ranging from informed and curious to insults and and confusion, I decided to dive in and use this opportunity to share my perspectives.
In episode 3:
More fun comments and responses and I demo ways to achieve some decorrelation of 2 mics on the same source
In Reddit Responses Decorrelation Demo:
I demonstrate a method to use two mics on a single source such that the signals have audible decorrelation
In episode 2:
I dive into reading and responding to a variety of comments some curious, some practical, some pointing out how dumb and wrong I am but all of them fun!!
In episode 1:
I respond to " I Don't Understand Dave Rat" and describe the issues with sending the same signal to multiple speakers covering the same space as well as offer solutions to help mitigate comb filtering in stereo systems
In future episodes I will wrap my arms around a wide variety of posts as well as do a demonstration showing how to use dual mic'ing to achieve some decorrelation of a single source.
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00:00 No respect
01:34 130 db
02:42 Lighten up
03:26 Ol School guy
04:12 Mic'ing the room
04:36 Appalling mixer
06:37 Mixing into the red
07:31 Trust vs knowledge
10:06 Multiple mixes
10:39 Outro
Dave has an ‘out of the box’ way of thinking, which makes him very creative. He also has deep understanding of acoustics and psycho acoustics. He is bringing the human factor into his thinking . Good stuff.
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Exactly right, Dave's going for 'real' over 'correct', this offends people who put a ton of their energy into correctness because they are ultimately frustrated trying to achieve that. Even the best system is still going to make a mess of everything you put into it, and you can't cope with that kind of chaos by force. Much better to understand the limitations and find ways around them than try to bang against the wall, and Dave's one of the best at finding ways around the walls. Very much a rat indeed, and a damn clever one.
Yes! The rats in the walls we hear and rarely see!
I appreciate how you’ve grown your business. You didn’t just walk into being a mixer. You paid your dues and started where everyone else did.
Thank you and yes, it's been a long bumpy path and would not trade it away for anything
Yeah, and that first redit was odd, because all of what I've seen from you is almost ALL sharing your knowledge you have for free. And a lot of the what you share is info that many people hoard and keep secret. Not to mention, you're not afraid to be creative and experimental....trying to push the craft forward.
Wish more people were like you in the industry. 5 bucks a month is nothing compared to the wealth of knowledge and the back and forth you share. Appreciate your time, Dave!
Thank you Niel! 👍👍👍
Your wisdom is always appreciated. I’ve learned so much from your videos. Keep’em coming
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The drum overhead comment! 😂😂😂 I love this so much
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Keep the responses coming, Dave! They're great.
Awesome and thank you Markus!!
Dave is a creative genius and his resume speaks all that needs to be said. Sweet guy for putting up with any criticism and continuing to share knowledge. Much love Dave!
Thank you! Honored!
Haters will be haters and Constructive criticism is always appreciated. At the end of the day, most of us love what you do and appreciate your sharing. Be well Dave.
Thank you Kevin!!
“Dream adventure” encapsulates everything Dave. Thank you for everything is not enough but a start.
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His grandpa is a world famous brilliant inventor: Robert C Webber invented the Heat Pump patent.
Dave (ratsound) Levine inherited his Genius Invention Gene because his grandpa is world famous brilliant inventor Robert C Webber.
Genius Genes alive and performing.😮
Lolol man…way to handle the trolls with style and grace Dave.
Side note: FINALLY got a virtual soundcheck set up at home and am playing around with the x32. Massive revelation on delaying one side of a stereo guitar channel by 0.3 ms…my goodness the sound got sooooo much warmer I couldn’t believe it.
You can go longer on the delay. With headphones sub Ms is audible and with speakers 5 to 10 feet apart low delay times below 5 Ms work. But for gigs with the speaker 20 feet or more apart, 10 to 30 Ms are times to give a listen to.
@@DaveRat awesome, thanks for the knowledge, will definitely experiment!
Awesome and keep me updated
@@DaveRat excellent specifics. Learning is the spice of life.
It had not occurred the delay times need to increase with distance. I've intuitively done this (thinking back - what sounds good?) makes sense distance from your ears plays a factor. Thanks professor
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Learning where Rat sound name comes from was so cool. Thank you for sharing that!
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My favorite video to date. I'll echo what others have said: you're contributions are and will continue to improve our unique industry. You are a great friend and scholar. Cheers!
Awesome Rob and thank you!
I incorporate stuff I’ve learned from Dave into my mix on the daily. Thank you Dave!
That is wonderful!
The old school guy comment gave me a solid chuckle.
If there has been one person on this platform who is actively testing gear and learning and maybe more importantly, showing how you can do that too. It has been you.
That's what got me hooked on this channel in the first place.
Awesome and thank you!
Love you Dave! Your access to hardware and insight is worth every penny.
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Great content as always Dave,Great videos so keep em Coming..Learned loads off your Chanel during the lockdowns.Thanks So Much 👍
Cool cool Mark!
I think what you’re doing for sound engineers out there like me is nothing short of awesome. Over the last year I’ve designed a sound system for my church and without your many videos about the fundamentals of sound I likely would have never known about or been able to take them into consideration for my Church’s system.
I thank you very much Dave and God bless you and keep you.
Awesome!!!
people talk too much, criticize, and offer nothing new.
your videos are pearls that sometimes fall to the pigs
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I love you Dave! Always had love your attitude. Love your work ethic. And I've always loved your shows any of the ones that you've done anyhow. Those who don't know speak the rest of us just get the job done. Carry on Old Man
Thank you Sean!!
Same here. And Dave's way of approaching things can be applied to pretty much anything in life imho.
I love mixing live sound and I appreciate all of Dave’s insights. I may not use all of them due to time or need, but Dave is filling my tool box with things I never even thought I needed
Cool cool Adam!
Thanks Dave. Always refreshing. Appreciated!
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I think its very brave and fearless of you to do these Reddit videos and to do it with such good humour is admirable. I've been a professional FoH engineer since 1980 and have issues with confronting criticism, even if it is objective, critical and I can learn from it. As an official 'old guy' I have definitely learn from the answer Reddit posts.I last worked with you in the UK on some Juliette Lewis & The Lick shows. Keep up the posts and keep answering your critics in positive, non aggressive manner Dave. #Bigpowa
Super cool and thank you Dalton! It can be challenging to look past the personal attacks and focus on the reasons for the attacks. When undeserved, the attacks are almost always founded in fears. And I do my best to step back and make sure my responses are based communication rather than emotion
Dave, you are a RUclips jewel. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Thank you TB!
"My name isn't Dave Rat" 😅 I love how measured you are in your responses to these posts. Thanks Dave!
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I'm sure there's a Spartacus joke in there somewhere.
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Dave, I wish more folks with your knowledge and expertise would be as open and willing to share (even if it comes with some unsubstantiated hate). We are all blessed to be able to consume the content you are putting out.
Awesome and thank you!
Absolutely agree!! Dave has given insight into a lot of common issues faced by engineers. If you don't like his methods, you're at least thinking about them and how you can do even better. For me, one of these pieces of gold was doing a stereo mix for subs. What a game changer!! We all need to keep thinking, experimenting and evolving like Dave! :)
Love the testing and pushing to make things better and not just doing things the same old way. Let's rock some cool new fun stuff!
LOL!! I love the responses. I first met you in the early-90s when I part of Kevin Lyman/Ray Woodbury's Claremont crew (Janes, Lollapalooza, The Palace, Palladium). I was in awe then. I'm in awe now.
Awesome and thank you Victor! And I still stay in touch with Kevin.
Liked the video - Looking forward to Episode 5!
Love your work Dave, and your character is unparalleled!!! Been loving your videos for what feels like a decade now. Repeatedly given me the confidence to push things further than what was thought possible, and keeping a cool humble mind the entire time. You’re a huge inspiration! Hope to knock elbows with ya some day!
I also had the pleasure of fooling the measurement mic at Red Rocks by slightly delaying the right sub stack enough to push the null right over mic at FOH. It’s fun to play dirty sometimes 😈😹
Dave
I love all your videos
You are doing a great job really helps me with lots of tips and great knowledge
Please keep doing these videos
Thank you
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I love these comments from people that don't actually mix live shows. I do all the time and try out all the things you talk about and they all make my shows better. could never thank you enough Dave for sharing your knowledge and experience, I been doing this 26 years and I learn something new in all your videos. rock on mate you are a legend whether people like it or not.
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“This is a dream adventure”
Man. Respect, yes it is.
Yeah who would have knew we could listen to music and generate invisible energy for people to enjoy for a living? And how could that possibly make people grumpy?
THIS IS THE ONLY RUclips CHANNEL I HAVE THE BELL ON!!! I LOVE THESE DAVE!!!
Honored!!
Love these vids. Keep the series going
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I am Dave's age and have been doing sound since I was 18 too (yes I remember crown DC300s, Phase Linear 400, and Macintosh mc240 amps). I love to continue to build my own speakers as a woodworker, a delightful pass time. I eat up all Dave's videos and have learned a great deal. Please keep sharing the knowledge and experience Dave! You are unselfish. I'm very grateful and love to learn more.
Super cool Kimo!
Hey Dave , I completely enjoy your videos. Some I get some I don’t. So watch them over and over till I get them. Overall it’s a good experience. Thank you for sharing your experience.
Thank you Bharat and stay curious and learning always
Dave, It’s amazing what you have accomplished and the knowledge you share is awesome. We can sense your passion and love for what you do. My only hope is that you don’t internalize or give value to any of these haters. Onward!!
All good, I look at it like jumps in the snowboard park!
Got to factor in the rat.
The Rat factor .
The advanced knowledge that swirls in your brain, it’s a lifetimes worth and growing.
Addressing those commentaries steers a lot of love out there for the haters and blind beliefs .
Thank you.
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Dave, you're a great tech and Dont allow a nay Sayer to stop you. Your knowledge is always appreciated and I frequently share your videos with my technical crew for my nightclub and concert operations. You are a wealth of information and deeply respected. Keep em coming Bob from Federal Way WA.
Thank you Bob!!
You are the greatest grandson of the inventor Robert C Webber 😊
I only discovered your videos a week or two ago (the super long cat5 mic test) and then stumbled upon some of the decorrelation stuff. Now I'm not in the industry, but I'm an EE that designs and manufactures circuit boards. I've done some mixing for friends just screwing around. When you talk about all your ways of doing things it just clicks. You're an excellent teacher. The people who have so much negative to say must not actually watch. You're inspiring me to work on my massive hifi setup again. 4 crown com-tech 400s running 4 pairs of alesis monitor one mk2. 2 amps left, 2 amps right. I've got an old DC-300 that works perfect but I haven't had time to build a good subwoofer yet.
Awesome and thank you and yes! Build subwoofer!
I am looking to do a vid on a unique subwoofer build soon.
Great to meet ya
Forums and comments have become such shit shows. It's much to your credit that you keep spreading the techy love in the face of all that, Dave. How anyone can criticize someone offering his/her own time and energy in the form of free, educational videos is beyond me. You can disagree, but you don't have to be a dick about it. And whatever you choose to do, stay out of our troll-free zone. Those are five of the best bucks I spend each month.
Big kudos to you all 'round, Mr. Levine.
So cool and thank you! Yeah, part of me wants to shout " what have you done to help people and share info?" To the couch coaches but that serves no benefit. Time is best spent redirecting negative to informative IMO
Proud to have hit the 1K like!
You’re a good man, Mr Rat!
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Dave, you have a great mind, thank you for sharing your insights. Lots of the data helps me in the studio as well. Rock on, brother.
Keep doing what your doing Dave!! Don't change a thing!
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Please keep doing these videos 😂....pure internet gold!!!
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keep up the good work and please don´t stop producing videos on your take on sound. I
tś so refreshing to see a sound engineer / technician that really want to explore new things to improve on his own skills and also sharing it to people like me that share the same passion about sound.
So cool and thank you Kristopher!
I've always been a fan of you Dave. Your ideas and teaching have helped me since almost the beginning of my sound career. The thing I love about this job is there's an infinitum way to make things sound good. Everyone does things differently and you can learn from every single engineer out there. Even that engineer that does things in a way you think is stupid. If it sounds good, then he knows something you don't. Thank you for this response to Reddit series and your work in general. While I don't know if I would ever use your techniques (will try soon), I will add them to the list of knowledge that is infinite in this career.
Cool cool and let me know if ya do try new stuff and how it works for ya
There's always those who who can't do what you do so they criticize you with 0 knowledge.
I'm thankful for what you do for our industry and have always been kind to me and answered my questions
Thank you Bro Appreciate your help
Thank you Stevean77!
this is my favorite person alive. The most legendary tales
Thank you David and I am honored!
So much respect for you Dave. And great response.
Hi Dave, I hope none of these messages affect you. I've been following you online for 16 years. I spend more time in the studio, but from time to time I mix live for some bands I worked with in the studio. Since the beginning of your blog and before many of the current social networks became popular, your interest in teaching the experiences lived in the first level of the world of professional audio was always noticed, no matter who they were or how big or small were the gigs of those who followed you and consulted. I always took away something useful from each of your blog entries at a time when obtaining information about our profession was much more difficult. It is not necessary for me to tell you, but as soon as you are interested and want to do it, keep doing that great work in parallel that you have been doing with teaching, with the generosity and desire that characterize you that many people from all over the world respect you and care what you have to say. Greetings from Argentina. (Pardon my english)
PS: I think I only heard you mix the RHCP once and it sounded great, was in a festival and when the band walked in it's like the sound got bigger and the thousands of people next to me exploded with excitement.
SO cool and thank you Luciano!!
Dave, your videos are great!!! Please keep it up!
Thank you Will!
Thank you for your videos Dave
Thank you for the videos and chasing sound.
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These vids are great Dave ✌️
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It's a dream adventure until someone spills a beer on your console.
Ha! And then we get to dive into hero save the show mode and have great story as well!
you rock Dave... as you said its about having fun, share ideas and everyone enjoy the show.
I knew concerts were a lot louder in the 90s!! Love the content!
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Dave, i have been following your blog and you tube channels since 2011. I attended one of your seminars in 2013. I have used and applied many of your helpful techniques to great success. I am amazed at how many critics of your channel have probably never fixed a mic, cable, mixer or stage speaker. They completely miss the point. We should never take anything for granted. Love what you do, please keep sharing the knowledge.
Super cool and thank you Alex!
What city seminar! Great to hear from you
@@DaveRat Cape Town. During Chilli Peppers tour.
Awesome, Super cool, I really enjoyed it there.
Very cool and thank you!
Keep up the great work! Thank you!
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You’re a national treasure Dave! Thank you for everything you do for our entire industry. Way to handle the haters with style and grace.
Shit talk comes from a place of insecurity and self doubt.
Stay groovy dude! 🤙🏽
Thank you Joseph!
Well Dave What-Ever-Your-Name-Is (LOL), they are all talking about YOU! That must make you proud! Regardless if their comments are good or bad, ok or bad spelling or grammar, they are talking about Dave Rat. I say... GREAT JOB!! Unlike them, you are someone!!
And we all get to chat about sound!
Seems to me like it isn't even about pride. It's about sound. That's the respectable part to me.
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On any topic, Reddit is suited to a certain personality type. The snob. The misfit. The know it all. It's a gathering of misfits, but not in the cool "Dirty Dozen" way.
I am remiss to catgorize an entire latform based on the actions of a few. And perhaps the venting of opinions may seem frivolous but also look at the bigger picture of 10s of thousands of people reading their comments and the responses, may be a net positive.
@@DaveRat Why is there road rage? People get mad on the road who would never have bad manners otherwise. So maybe some generalizations are kind of true. I posted a few things from record engineering college in 1980 that did not go over well on reddit. Why bother? Everyone just goes with what their telephone says is true.
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Unfortunatly youtube commentors can be just as bad
@@stehfreejesseah7893 I have fun on RUclips. I logged out of reddit. I tried it. I posted the truth about the "UFOs". They're part of our missile defense system. No alien visitation. That's a psyop. And that one was actually pretty well received, ironically;).
I'm consistently blown away by the lack of respect shown to Dave. The guy has done it all and is knowledge is nothing short of intimidating. He makes me feel like an ant with impostor syndrome and I've been gigging consistently for almost 20 years.
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Much respect Dave. I’ve always admired your drive to not only create & innovate but also share all knowledge you’ve learned throughout your career. I’ve learned a great deal from you in my 12 years of being an audio engineer. Also, I was today years old when I learned that Rat isn’t actually your last name…
Thank you Jeff and the appreciation of my efforts and hopefully making a positive impact in peoples lives makes this all worth while
God bless you Dave🙌🏾. You earned my respect. I am 23 and I am on your trajectory, I own a rental business and I hope to get as big and bigger than you, I just learnt the something I would not have known regarding frame of mind and handling dicey issues, God bless you
I wish you well on your adventures!
I love your videos keep up the good work
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Dave is a legend. What a wonderful and extremely bright master. 👏🏻
Thank you Ernie!!
Dave, once again your passion / creativity shines! keep preaching the truth!
Thank you and while I don't claim to know truths, I do try and share things that are highly probable to be useful and repeatable.
Dave the fact that you share your knowledge is appreciated here. The fact that you have a members area seems to bother some because it would cost them something. Seems this has a side of jealousy not criticism. I have done FOH for lots of gigs inside and out. I have audience's leaving venue say great sound could have been a bit louder and the individual behind him said good sound just a bit too loud. You can never achieve 100% delighted but we try! Thanks for your info appreciated here! Free Island Audio Productions
Thank you Randy and keep rocking!
Dave…you rock brother!! Hate always comes from below!! I love your videos and learning from you. Not once have I felt like you are negative person…love the videos!!
Tha k you Daniel!!
I did some work on signal processing (beamforming, source direction determination and blind source separation). Audio is the most complex signal there is to work with. No other signal have 120dB amplitude and 20 to 20K range. I'm serious about sound and that's why I love your videos!
Hey Hey Max Headrom cool cool
Best laugh I’ve had in a long time
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Right, you always are trying new ideas. Like it.
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Bang on man! Bang on. Thanks for sharing the love
Thank you Jonathan!!
After years of working in this industry if I’ve learned anything it’s you can and will learn from everyone if you humble yourself just a little. I am not a rocket scientist but Dave Rat is!
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Another nod for Dave. Keep the videos coming.
Will do and thank you
You are an awesome guy. I tinker constantly with large sound, "what if" mockups constantly, making mixed sound system brands work together. Right now I am experimenting with various material types for woofers to increase transient response and cone stiffness and types. My reference woofer is a yamaha ja 3882 (lightest cone fastest response woofer to date, unless you know of another one). I picked up a bunch of EAW LA400's and tested several 12 inch drivers in them and got interesting results from these small subs.
Super cool and yes, exploring low mass high rigidity cones to make faster woofers is cool.
Dave Rat you are the best. Even though you're not Dave "Rat" ahhaha...just learned it today when you explained it in the video. But I often think of this "rat" metaphore and what it stands for...rats are known for their adaptability to the most extreme conditions. I find this as quite a strong metaphore and also a very cool name because of that for an audio company where you always have to adapt to all sorts of things (weather, different people...). Love it!
Cheers Dave Rat
Awesome and thank you! And yes the industriousness, ingenuity and resistance of Rats is an inspiration!
It has been such a joy in my professional audio life to grow future engineers.
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Best response possible, I love Dave more now! 😂😂❤
Thank you Brian!!
Thank you Dave for all the excellent insight and wealth of Info! I’m a small time guy but a lot of the EQ Info you give has help bring me consistency and confidence! Forget the Reddit trolls. They can’t know venue limitations, electrical limitations or any of the engineering and thought that went Into a show. They only think they know how something should sound because they herd it that way in thier car or crappy Bose Bluetooth speaker. I had a guy making my life crazy once because it didn’t sound like Hillsongs album. Well first buddy we have 1/3 the musicians on stage..
Thank YOU!!
You're so great that you find the time to answer this dumbiness...Virgilio told Dante:"Non ragionam di loro, ma guarda e passa" You're so great, your video are gold!!
Great stuff and will dive more into Dante and Virgilio thank you
"Ragionar di loro" is pretty important nowadays, though. Dumb people and haters aren't always easy to spot. They often masquerade themselves as "experts" and it's often easy for a newbie to fall for their nonsense.
What Reddit has done for me is pointing me to Dave's videos, so I guess not all haters hit their target :D
Welcome!
lmao I love you Dave keep up the great work! as a new FOH engineer you have taught me so much!!
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Keep it up Dave, Ignore the haters completely. if I were you I wouldn't even make videos about their comments.
It's an opportunity to cover some topics that I normally may skip over
People can be so dramatic. Thanks again for sharing your experience and insight!
Cool cool thank you!
I don't care what people say about you. I learned so much from you. You are a great teacher and people are just jealous because you are successful.
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Being a paying member for years has been a bargain, Dave is Authentic, the personification of the liberated sound guy, thx for sharing Dave!
Hahaha oh no, ya go me Dave! I guess I need to dial things back a bit and should more appropriately attribute doing things differently as just a different approach and not jump to thinking it's wrong. I am ready to admit fault here for my comments made, and frankly I don't have enough info on your work to really be making any assessments on you. My apologies. I let my past bad experiences with some other engineers get in the way.
I'm going to take this opportunity to try and have my ego take a step back so I can be more open to people and their ideas. I may still disagree with some of your methods but hey, that's alright.
Josh, you are awesome and just made my day! I really appreciate and respect you r response here. And there are few things in life that are truly right or wrong from every possible perspective but there are things that have a higher probability of resulting in a desired outcome.
You don’t really need to respond to tools, Dave- they enjoy negative gossip, because jealous kvetching is easier than hard work. To them, it’s anybody else’s fault that they are stuck where they are, and today that anybody is you. 🙄 Love your optimism and openness!
Thank you and hey, I made 5 videos sharing info based on the reddit comments, so for me it was kind of fun and hopefully interesting and helpful to others.
Reminds me of Glenn Frickers "butthurt of the week" videos lol. I agree 100%. lighten up! Btw, did you actually say "licks farts"? I died! Learned a lot from you man! Thanks!
Good times and thank you!
You sound like a real down to earth guy. Thanks for the video. Some great advice, cheers
Thank you Joey!
Don’t be discouraged Dave, the hell with those negative comments. I appreciate your contributions to the Industry. Greetings from Malaysia.
Man, this video and the last "trip under the bridge (to see the reddit trolls)" vid gave me a good laugh when I needed one! The guy knocking you and a high-end L'Acoustics rig 'cuz he was, in fact, slamming the venue limiters....LOL! Also great to hear you mention about the "ole' school mid-air overheads" thing, tbh I stole it from Dave Jerden but used tight underheads ever since and the results have been great. Keep on keepin' on man.
Awesome!
Nice one Dave!
Thank you Charlie
Very well done!
Thank you Adam!!
I've enjoyed following your career and occasionally rubbing elbows over the years. I was house head at Santa Monica Civic years ago. You gave me some iffy mic stands which served me well. If you are at Brookside this week, I hope we have a chance to talk.
Awesome, headed there now for a meeting today.
Thanks for calling out these keyboard warriors! I've been a fan for a while. You are definitely knowlegable, and back it up with repeatable experiments. That's what sets you apart from many of the others! Lots of haters out there, that don't have a clue about the science of sound. They probably couldn't spell Phase if their life depended on it! Keep on doing your thing!
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I couldn’t agree more that this industry needs to be a fun one and is not medical science. However, there are many in this industry that don’t see it that way and probably wouldn’t hold down a job anywhere else for that matter.
Yeah, why make doing sound suck?
Getting a kick out of watching Dave troll roasting!😄
I find it fascinating that people are commenting that they don’t understand your ideas.
As a monitor engineer I strive to understand the meaning behind the words that are said.
I’ve tried the panning of the two kick mics and the Bass DI and bass mic. It was very effective at the show I did it at.
You have to listen and think when people talk.
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