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This is how i see worth does the mobo give u enough USBS then that is whenits worth the extraq cash. Do u want to be buying more hubs after a cheap near no usb motherboard i dont
They are only worth it IF you really need the features offered by those expensive boards. And many people don't really understand the difference. For example, if you are primarily a video gamer, there is no significant benefit in the X670 chipset when compared to the B650 chipset. And, B650 boards are almost always cheaper.
@@quaz1moto241 They may be welcome, but are entirely useless for gaming. Even the 5090 will not full utilize the PCIE-5 lanes available on B650 motherboards (Gigabyte B650M AORUS Elite for example).
true but realistically most of the people getting super high end motherboards are people with a high enough disposable income for it to really matter and think it looks cooler
If you need the better cooling, better VRMs, better RAM traces for more stable RAM overclocking, and the better I/O speeds or ports, then yes. If not, then no. For most people: No.
43 year old gamer here. I'm still running an i7-9700K. Socket support for more than two CPU cycles have never been a selling point for me. In 5 years there's new chipsets, faster memory support, and new PCI-E standards. I upgrade the entire build when it's time.
I generally get the best I can afford but do admit once or twice I've splashed out. The weird thing is I've never regretted it - Never had a failed expensive board. Plenty of failed cheap ones. I remember one board had a Type C case header. Thought it was pointless till everything changed to Type-C and got a case that did and it was the best feeling plugging that thing into my board!
6 years ago I built my first system with an i7 8700 and the entry-level Asrock Z370 Pro4 ; recently upgraded my 1080 to a 4070 Super. IIRC I paid 120$ for the motherboard. No regrets.
You seem to have fallen for the marketing B.S. From what you're comparing. You're just talking about the features not what they are useful for. Tell me what you can't do on Sata ssd or nvme gen3 that you can do on gen5? Do you even see the difference? You just compare numbers, oh big number is better... I mean cmon man that's all marketing bs. If you need the speed from nvme en 5 then just get a 40mm on it and call it a day. Don't need to pay a motherboard 500$ for that. Or just get a gen3 ssd or slower gen4 that doesn't consume 15w in the first place? You don't need to pay 500-600$ motherboard for it to last. What is that mentality coming from anyways? Another marketing bs imo. 10-15 years ago mobo were like 50-150$. At what point you need the rgd and visual design looks of an internal pc component? We're not Steve Jobs who cares most of you run windows telemetry edition anyways so what's the point of spending thousands on hardware that run crappy copilot+ os anyways?🤔
I wouldn't even use an MSi board if I got it for free. ASRock or Gigabyte ONLY. Specifically, the ASRock X670E PG Lightning looks to be an amazing value.
Same here. I have ASUS Z790 Prime that i got on release of Z790 chipset in 2022 for 280$ (Z790 boards on release were very expensive and that board was one of the cheapest one) And almost two years later, the Z790 chipset is still the latest one and my mainboard is working grreat. Im not so stupid to pay like 700-800$ for ASUS Maximus boards.
Is the Ace motherboard better in terms of Cinebench multicore and singlecore scores compared to the Tomahawk, considering it has higher VRM quality, when using the same cooler? Or can the Tomahawk outperform the Ace?
Very rare you’d see any difference unless the cheaper board had very poor quality VRMs. Definitely not the case with either board here. The Tomahawk can easily handle a top end CPU
I'm kinda hoping maybe with CAMM2 we can see some more premium boards in the ITX and Micro ATX category. Both Intel and AMD are to be seeing significant improvements in efficiency on CPUs with 15th Gen Arrow Lake, and Ryzen 9000. One already showing improvements in reviews. The high power draw of recent CPU's and GPUs over the last few Generations has kinda made compact and SFF builds complicated.
I got a $800+ 690 MEG ACE for $200 and noticed no difference from my older boards. The only reason I got the board was it had the pci slots with 2 ethernet ports at the right price.
Slots...I need slots. The manufacturers think I don't. I have a load of Enterprise Optane U.2 drives that need PCIe cards to slot into my rig. Works fine on my x99 HEDT board but a lot of moden boards are really limited. Also being over the age of 30 I don't need RGB.
@@nadtz Yeah I might save up the extra and do that. I felt my x99 system was extravagant back in 2016 but it's kept on going and due to the flexibility of the platform I've been able to expand it nicely over the years. But it really is reaching the end with support and some new features I want.
Why do you build an Epyc system so you can have more PCIE5 lanes? I built an Epyc system and I love it even though it was overkill but got the stuff on sale/discount. Using as an storage (Truenas)/VM system. This one system do a lot. Thinking about building another one for docker/kubernities/A.I./etc.
better heatsink ( few pound better wifi ariel few pound ) for the Tomahawk both them boards if you were to sell them in 4 to 5 years would near enough sell for the same price ( i do like features but not worth the extra £300+
I might pay extra if I knew motherboard manufacturers had the identical specs out of the box that that match the specs of the CPU. At least I’d have a working CPU. 😂😂
Computer has reached enough speed that it's very minimal incremental speed among premium and regular parts. I am still rocking i9 9900 K CPU and it works without any hitch for all the task that I do.
Most of the motherboard don't even use 10 gbe for 1 Gb/s transfert speed over the network. What's the point of wanting an internal ssd that can write as fast as ram anyways if you're stuck sharing them at 0.25 Gb/'s max.
I wish they could make a motherboard that would use the 8 pcie gen5 lanes available besides the one for the graphics card and split it up to many more gen 3/4 speed. Imagine being able to put 2-4 full pcie 16x slots that work on gen 3/4 instead of one gen5. Or even better 4 x m.2 gen3 slots instead of one M.2 gen5. Does it exist? Full of ports that can be operated at lower gen speed which is plenty for most people
Gpu still runs at gen 4 And gen 5 nvme are only useful if you do hardcord work So just get a MB that had amazing cooling for the cpu for am5 cpus because its gonna be a long while till we get gen 5 speeds on the gpu and a 990pro m.2 from samsung is plenty fast for games and work atm
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4:50 M.2 temperatures with a PCIe 5 SSD
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31:10 Conclusions
This is how i see worth does the mobo give u enough USBS then that is whenits worth the extraq cash. Do u want to be buying more hubs after a cheap near no usb motherboard i dont
They are only worth it IF you really need the features offered by those expensive boards. And many people don't really understand the difference. For example, if you are primarily a video gamer, there is no significant benefit in the X670 chipset when compared to the B650 chipset. And, B650 boards are almost always cheaper.
I respectfully disagree. I'm primarily a gamer and extra PCIE lanes are always welcome.
@quaz1moto241 Probably not for gaming, though.
@@quaz1moto241 They may be welcome, but are entirely useless for gaming. Even the 5090 will not full utilize the PCIE-5 lanes available on B650 motherboards (Gigabyte B650M AORUS Elite for example).
If you are a sim flyer or sim racer, you need to every pcie lane and as many usb ports that you can get
true but realistically most of the people getting super high end motherboards are people with a high enough disposable income for it to really matter and think it looks cooler
If you need the better cooling, better VRMs, better RAM traces for more stable RAM overclocking, and the better I/O speeds or ports, then yes. If not, then no. For most people: No.
If you are a gamer, expending 100+ USD in a premium motherboard for 5 to 7 fps increase at best, is not worth it.
43 year old gamer here. I'm still running an i7-9700K. Socket support for more than two CPU cycles have never been a selling point for me. In 5 years there's new chipsets, faster memory support, and new PCI-E standards. I upgrade the entire build when it's time.
My back up PC has an i7-7700K, still runs games and any software I throw at it. Built that PC 6 years ago, mobo is an Asus Prime 270K.
I generally get the best I can afford but do admit once or twice I've splashed out. The weird thing is I've never regretted it - Never had a failed expensive board. Plenty of failed cheap ones. I remember one board had a Type C case header. Thought it was pointless till everything changed to Type-C and got a case that did and it was the best feeling plugging that thing into my board!
6 years ago I built my first system with an i7 8700 and the entry-level Asrock Z370 Pro4 ; recently upgraded my 1080 to a 4070 Super. IIRC I paid 120$ for the motherboard. No regrets.
MSI's newest X670e gaming plus wifi is a fantastic gamer focused motherboard.
You seem to have fallen for the marketing B.S. From what you're comparing. You're just talking about the features not what they are useful for.
Tell me what you can't do on Sata ssd or nvme gen3 that you can do on gen5? Do you even see the difference?
You just compare numbers, oh big number is better... I mean cmon man that's all marketing bs.
If you need the speed from nvme en 5 then just get a 40mm on it and call it a day. Don't need to pay a motherboard 500$ for that. Or just get a gen3 ssd or slower gen4 that doesn't consume 15w in the first place?
You don't need to pay 500-600$ motherboard for it to last. What is that mentality coming from anyways? Another marketing bs imo. 10-15 years ago mobo were like 50-150$. At what point you need the rgd and visual design looks of an internal pc component? We're not Steve Jobs who cares most of you run windows telemetry edition anyways so what's the point of spending thousands on hardware that run crappy copilot+ os anyways?🤔
I spent 1k on my Asus x670E CHE mobo and I don't have any regrets.
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I wouldn't even use an MSi board if I got it for free. ASRock or Gigabyte ONLY. Specifically, the ASRock X670E PG Lightning looks to be an amazing value.
Why? What happened?
aside from other features, i've hit a point where if it doesn't have a debug code 7 segment readout, i don't want it for my personal rigs.
I've been using the cheapo ASUS Z690 Prime D4-WIFI from a Microcenter bundle. lack of USB port sucks but I got a usb hub and it's been great
Same here. I have ASUS Z790 Prime that i got on release of Z790 chipset in 2022 for 280$ (Z790 boards on release were very expensive and that board was one of the cheapest one) And almost two years later, the Z790 chipset is still the latest one and my mainboard is working grreat. Im not so stupid to pay like 700-800$ for ASUS Maximus boards.
Is the Ace motherboard better in terms of Cinebench multicore and singlecore scores compared to the Tomahawk, considering it has higher VRM quality, when using the same cooler? Or can the Tomahawk outperform the Ace?
Very rare you’d see any difference unless the cheaper board had very poor quality VRMs. Definitely not the case with either board here. The Tomahawk can easily handle a top end CPU
I'm kinda hoping maybe with CAMM2 we can see some more premium boards in the ITX and Micro ATX category.
Both Intel and AMD are to be seeing significant improvements in efficiency on CPUs with 15th Gen Arrow Lake, and Ryzen 9000. One already showing improvements in reviews. The high power draw of recent CPU's and GPUs over the last few Generations has kinda made compact and SFF builds complicated.
Thank you for the video.
I got a $800+ 690 MEG ACE for $200 and noticed no difference from my older boards. The only reason I got the board was it had the pci slots with 2 ethernet ports at the right price.
Slots...I need slots. The manufacturers think I don't. I have a load of Enterprise Optane U.2 drives that need PCIe cards to slot into my rig. Works fine on my x99 HEDT board but a lot of moden boards are really limited. Also being over the age of 30 I don't need RGB.
In a similar situation and as much as it's going to hurt my wallet I've been thinking about building a threadripper system.
@@nadtz Yeah I might save up the extra and do that. I felt my x99 system was extravagant back in 2016 but it's kept on going and due to the flexibility of the platform I've been able to expand it nicely over the years. But it really is reaching the end with support and some new features I want.
@jabezhane X99 had some fantastic boards. As did X299. I really miss the high end desktop stuff!!
@@CrazyTechLab Yeah it's a shame HEDT now is really enterprise workstation class hardware instead of high end consumer.
Why do you build an Epyc system so you can have more PCIE5 lanes? I built an Epyc system and I love it even though it was overkill but got the stuff on sale/discount.
Using as an storage (Truenas)/VM system. This one system do a lot. Thinking about building another one for docker/kubernities/A.I./etc.
Motherboards are the Heart of the Computers. So do not cheap out.
Take the ASRock B650 LiveMixer, its realy great, with 8 layer design, lots of USB ports, dont`t need eternity to boot and costs 148€. ^^
better heatsink ( few pound better wifi ariel few pound ) for the Tomahawk both them boards if you were to sell them in 4 to 5 years would near enough sell for the same price ( i do like features but not worth the extra £300+
My semi-educated guess is that it matters MORE for Intel enthusiasts because of the known heat issues. Ryzen is trying to make cooler-running chips.
I might pay extra if I knew motherboard manufacturers had the identical specs out of the box that that match the specs of the CPU. At least I’d have a working CPU. 😂😂
Computer has reached enough speed that it's very minimal incremental speed among premium and regular parts. I am still rocking i9 9900 K CPU and it works without any hitch for all the task that I do.
Problem is motherboards prices have increased a lot past 10 years.
Most of the motherboard don't even use 10 gbe for 1 Gb/s transfert speed over the network. What's the point of wanting an internal ssd that can write as fast as ram anyways if you're stuck sharing them at 0.25 Gb/'s max.
I wish they could make a motherboard that would use the 8 pcie gen5 lanes available besides the one for the graphics card and split it up to many more gen 3/4 speed.
Imagine being able to put 2-4 full pcie 16x slots that work on gen 3/4 instead of one gen5. Or even better 4 x m.2 gen3 slots instead of one M.2 gen5. Does it exist? Full of ports that can be operated at lower gen speed which is plenty for most people
Gpu still runs at gen 4
And gen 5 nvme are only useful if you do hardcord work
So just get a MB that had amazing cooling for the cpu for am5 cpus because its gonna be a long while till we get gen 5 speeds on the gpu and a 990pro m.2 from samsung is plenty fast for games and work atm
I'm not paying much for ANY MOBO that doesnt support Oculink.
My gen4 tops out at 68 degrees, no heat sink but fan cooled
you deserve more subscribers , it is a shame
Getting there slowly but surely 😉
No graphs or charts, wth? 😂
Live benchmarking instead. And you have time stamps. Graphs are boring.
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