What is Hybrid Vigor | Better Sheep and Goats!
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- Опубликовано: 19 июл 2024
- What is Hybrid Vigor | Better Sheep and Goats!
Have you ever heard about hybrid vigor or heterosis? In today's video, we join Tim as he helps to explain the benefits of cross-breeding in a commercial sheep or goat operation. Cross-breeding may not suit your operation, and ethical considerations must also be made! You won't want to miss this episode!
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Good day sir. Great video😊 I love raising goat. New subscriber here 😊
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Genetics is like shuffling the deck. Every time you breed your animals, you shuffle the deck and deal a hand based on the cards each parent brings to the deck. Sometimes you get a great hand, other times not so much. The narrower the deck, the more likely you are to have a predictable hand you're dealt. Predictable isn't always better, but it does have its advantages. Adding a new breed to the deck, is a risk but risks can absolutely pay off too. This is an extremely simplified version of how genetics work, of course, but understanding the basics is key. Sometimes its just a matter of trial and error. Regardless though, documentation and learning are key.
Thanks for watching. I think people undervalue the documentation portion of this. Keeping records is very important. We also wouldn’t advise someone bring in a new breed and go nuts. If I was going to make changes, or try a new buck or ram, I would select a few females and see what happens. If you have breeds that are working for you, there might be no reason to mess with things. Hybrid vigor also doesn’t mean you can take 2 sub-par animals and expect to make something great.
@LinessaFarms absolutely agree with this! I breed my St. Croix ewes to a white dorper ram and the lambs they produce are great for my goals. I'd like to breed pure St. Croix at some point too but where I live, quality St. Croix rams are hard to find!
@@LinessaFarms Some people think that they will create something great if they line breed. They don't understand that the idea is to PRESERVE good traits of an outstanding individual. We have learned so much by breeding up. It takes a long time but is a far more satisfying experience in my opinion. There are a lot of grade animals who have very good traits worthy of passing on. We have spent thousands of dollars on registration fees over the years and I regret it. There are a lot of sub-par registered animals out there that should not even be in the herd book. I agree with keeping records. Sometimes you get lucky and have a cross that just works. I think it is referred to as a "nick". Breeding a world champion to a world champion will not give you the results you are dreaming of. Sorry for being long winded!
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Thank you, sir. We appreciate your support over the years and we appreciate you taking the time to leave a kind message as you often do.
Thanks for the great video! There is a lot of misunderstanding on what a purebred is and whether it is better or not than a mix. Of course there is no one right answer, but sometimes people get an idea in their head and dig in their heels without knowing all the information. I really appreciate you presenting the facts and especially bringing in Dr Woody Lane as a resource. I watched the full interview, and it was fascinating! P.S. those baby goats are adorable!!!
Thank you and as always, thank you for your continued support. Much appreciated. 🫡
I have one Sanaan that I bought because I was given a deal on her. I do milk her for our own use. I crossed her with my Kiko buck twice. I am really liking the conformation I got from that cross. I have 2 does from that breeding. My only regret is that I sold that buck so I don't have him anymore. I do have a his last son born here that looks promising. Wasn't going to keep him, but I have been considering keeping him to breed to the few does I have that are not related to him. Will see what he's like as he matures.
I did replace that buck with a Savanah/Kiko cross. His first kid was born yesterday (a doe) to one of the Sanaan/Kiko does. Waiting to see how this combo works out.
Very nice. Thank you for watching and for taking the time to respond. We appreciate your continued support. Kiko make a nice cross with dairy breeds for commercial operations. We have many friends who have used the specific breed cross you refer to.
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Great info. I'm learning a lot from your video's.
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Ok. I am not convinced. Heres why:
If you look at the history of almost all purebred animals it is based on cross breeding.
As an example, we raise 100% New Zealand Kikos. The Kiko was developed in New Zealand by cross breading wild native goats with Saanen, Toggenberg, and Alpine goats. Supposedly, This created a new, specific line of goats, we now call "Kiko" or "meat" goat.
As you point out, us farmers are not trained geneticist. Sure, there may be obvious "dominant" traits, but mother nature gets to pick the winner. If I were to introduce another species into my herd, who is to say I wouldn't be breeding OUT the traits that defined my kikos?
Sure, I get the whole, "If your breeding for commercial..." argument. It basically says to breed for market demand, purity of breed be damned. Then I see you interview farmers whose animals can barely stand up because they are so fat, but its what "the market demands". Seems unethical to me.
I guess what I am saying is that, if you invest in a quality breed that has the breed features you want, then don't throw away that investment by making mutts, because the genetic science has already been accomplished for you. You can easily cull the animals who display negative traits, without introducing an entire new breed (and traits) into your herd. That's why on our ranch, we only raise 100% New Zealand Kikos...no purebreds and no percentage animals.
We don’t make this stuff up. We just go with what the scientists say and give you the information. As stated, it’s not right for everyone. I didn’t come up with the idea of hybrid vigor. People like Dr Lane (on the show) are the people behind the science. Dr. Lane holds a PhD in animal nutrition and science from Cornell University and is a well respected scientist in the U.S. and elsewhere. We have nothing against people who raise specific breeds. This is just a tool for commercial breeders to use.
www.sheepandgoat.com/crossbreeding
Also gotta say, this just sounds like a pitch for your farm. If you don’t believe in hybrid vigor, your argument is with the scientists, not us.
@@LinessaFarms In one sense, I am agreeing with you, which is why I pointed out how the Kiko breed came about - from crossbreeding, just like your PhD guest pointed out.
I guess I should restate it to simply say, leave the genetic breeding to the quantitative geneticists. Yes, you can breed a Chihuahua and a German shepard if you want a lap dog that will eat your face off....but why?? Just buy two dogs!
As you eluded to in your video, there are too many farms out there that are selling off their frankenstein mutts to unaware consumers - seems like you were a buyer with that experience. And as you pointed out, the paperwork can be manipulated. Also, there can be different standards between registries.
Your right about the sales pitch ending, so I edited it to remove the name...it just comes from a viewpoint with some experience, but nothing compared to your guest. I certainly didn't mean to offend or sound like a know it all. We don't always get it right, so we use culling to deal with the bad traits and simply trust in the science that was used to develop the breed.
Show what you are talking about. You talk too much but never show the product
We literally brought a Dr in animal nutrition and science on the show who is well known across the world and holds a PhD from Cornell University. We didn’t invent hybrid vigor, this is a well known genetic tested and proven fact. I am simply giving you the information from the scientists.
www.sheepandgoat.com/crossbreeding