I’ve played the Bobby Shew a few times and man I love that horn so much. The valves are some of the best and fastest I’ve played on and the response and resonance throughout the entire horn especially the upper register is extremely beautiful. And the intonation is ridiculously good. Definitely my favorite horn for playing lead that I’ve gotten to try out. One of my favorites all over as well. That’s most definitely a dream horn to me
They both sound great! But I would prefer the Yamaha over the Bach! And I am convinced that you could stick a mouthpiece in a Highway emergency cone and make it sound great! :) Enjoy listening to you play!
Thanks for actually making the video Trent! I’m surprised at how close these two horns actually are. I know the 8310Z-II can be extremely versatile, and adapt to almost any situation. However I know there is a learning curve to getting used to that step bore. My current YTR-83 is a medium bore with large slides, so I don’t have much experience dealing with step bores. To me, I feel like the Bach with either the ML or L bore would be a closer feeling to what I’m doing with now in terms of air. I can definitely see the Bach being versatile, but not nearly as much as the Shew due to the bronze bell. I know the new Shew horn is a solidly built horn, but there’s something about Bach’s valve blocks and the valves themselves that are just incredible to me. Will definitely need to try both horns in the same day. Maybe at ITG... who knows 😬 Thanks again!
I actually had the pleasure of trying out both these horns at a music store at the exact same time. It was definitely a unique experience trying them both, but I definitely would have to choose the Yamaha as my preferred option over the Bach. Even though I was playing with the rounded tuning slide on the Bach, The Yamaha still felt Even more free-blowing and more open. Even with my minimal experience on the trumpet, I actually managed to squeak out a double g. I couldn't squeak out that same note on the Bach, and for sure the Yamaha felt more fun to me.
@@robknol3070 This is my first Bobby Shew so I couldn’t tell you. My teacher though played also the gen2 and he likes the gen3 better. But (like every brand) there are good ones and not that good ones. So try as much as you can.
@@robknol3070 I've had both. Gen 3 (8310z Shew II) is slightly more open feeling in the leadpipe and with the "Bach style" valve caps and 2 piece valve block it has more core, more towards a Bach sound. It also slots way better above the staff. However, my old 8310Z had a smoother, warmer sound in the low register and a little more resistance, therefore more stamina for me. I love the new Shew, best all round Jazz and Commercial trumpet ever made. Not just a lead horn. So in summary, Accuracy, Slotting and Core sound improved over a smoother tone and better stamina. With the right mouthpieces they both work for Jazz and Lead playing.
I used to own a Bach Strad, which I sold a few years back as, really, once I got the Yamaha 6310Z ( the original Bobby Shew model ) I found I just played the Yamaha... I think personal preferences definitely count, but the Bobby Shew model is just so easy to play, light, responsive, very fast valves and a brilliant sound, especially on the high register, perfect for me, really....
The Bach sound is undeniable and is legendary but in this test I like the Yamaha sound based on what you played. Bach is great for classical playing but their are many other brands that kill the Bach in other genres.
Thank you for that. They both sound good and bright. Very commercial sounding. I did hear more lower tones in the Bach especially on the Charlier. On the jazz and ballads very similar. On the upper register sounded darker, I heard the sound project more in the Yamaha.
I had the medium large Bach commercial for a while. Your clip confirmed my feelings about the horn. Fabulous singing tone quality but more challenging to slot than other horns. I gravitated towards the Square tuning slide that came with it. So now I want a Bobby Shew Yamaha with the bronze Bell!
Wow! Tough call - I want both for different reasons. Bach would be a great classical horn for something like playing lead on the Grieg funeral March - tight, solid intonation, would be so centered playing long and high whereas the Yamaha would be my pit orchestra horn for West Side Story!!! Thanks!
The Yamaha sounds far more consistent throughout the registers and dynamics. Slightly darker sound, too. Though the Bach is a bit more brilliant, and really blossoms at the louder volumes. Overall I would definitely take the Yamaha. Though I am admittedly biased, as I already play a Yamaha (8310z gen 1).
Hm... First of all, thank you for this comparison. To my ear the first two comparisons revealed a consistent, but very slight, difference in the sound of the trumpets, with the Shew having a clearer, more brilliant timbre, with fewer lower overtones, and the Commercial having a fuller, richer sound, but when you went to the ballad, the difference was almost negated. Once again in the last comparison, the Shew was brighter, more noticeably so than in the first two tunes. It seemed as if your attacks came easier and cleaner on the Bach overall, but not by much. Also, it seemed slightly easier for you to bring the last note away from being sharp with the Yamaha than with the Bach. Notice that I didn't say "in tune" as the pitch stayed sharp with both horns in spite of your effort to control this tendency. Thank you again for providing the opportunity to hear these two highly acclaimed trumpets.
Great comments! I think they are very hard to compare (I might do a follow-up video with my ribbon mics and better acoustic room sound in the future). Both horns are super close to each other overall while still being fairly different as a whole!
Did you know there is a new Yamaha Commercial trumpet developed by Yamaha in Hamburg. As far as I know it’s only available from Prozone and Phil Parker in London. It sells for the same price as the Shew. The model number is 6335RC but I do t think it shares much with the old 6335 models. I think this was to cover what the Bach commercial was doing.
Oh these clips so often never do justice to how we sound “in person” but from what my ears could pick up, the Bach seems to have a sound best suited for more legit commercial work like Broadway, etc whereas the Yamaha has a slightly warmer quality in the mid range it lights up quicker upstairs with more overtones....Bobby’s horn is loosely based on the Schilke B6 but with a slightly bigger bell
I grew up on a Bach Strad that my parents brought for me in 1976 new for $335. I play more big band and commercial now than concert and soloist. I got a Yamaha Z trumpet 10 years ago and I love it for what I play today. The air has less resistance because it is a ML bore at the mouthpiece but is a large bore at the bell. Plays easier in the upper register. I use the Bach for legit playing when you don't want a bright sound. But if you are looking for a lead trumpet that can be heard though a big band, I highly recommend the Z trumpet. I'm sure the Bach commercial is also a great horn. The horn is only as good as the person who is blowing the air through the horn.
I also played a Bach in college in the late ‘70s. They all have that classical brightness. Yamaha has a slightly warmer sound. I wonder though if that was due some what to the finish.
Very nice playing, two very nice horns. The Bach was a little fuller and had a broader tone. The Yamaha was brighter with a tighter core. The Bach perhaps is better suited to the recording studio and the Yamaha is a better jazz lead horn. I would tend to think the Bach would be easier to color the sound on. Great post!
Thanks for this. You sound great on both horns! I'm curious about your subjective impressions of how the horns felt to play. I'm an old guy coming back to the trumpet and looking for a horn that will most facilitate upper register and endurance (Yes, I know, the holy grail) , mostly for jazz and big band. Cheers and thanks.
We have some really solid options for you in stock. Give us a call 816-410-0826 or email info@austincustombrass.com and we can fit you with the right match for your playing!
Very close to call l own 2 yamaha's and love them ytr734 and ytr632. But if I had to choose the bach comercial sounds just a little more mellow and attachs well to my ear .
The Shew is more centred, compact, brilliant sound. I like the Bach, but not that comercial bach. Bach is for classical music, have the best atack and solid sound.
Please do a comparison of the BAC Benge MLP bore and the Bach 1B .462" bore horns. Is the Bach you are playing. 459 or .462? You sound great on both horns but the Bach sounds richer.
I think your audience will never notice the difference between horns, unless they play a horn. Go for the best value. A microphone and a mixer can change things up a lot. Bach's QC is lacking and you need to play the horn first to ensure it's proper operation/ sound. I would trust yamaha's consistency out of the box more, just like all their other instruments.
I liked the sound of the Shew better but don’t trust the potential stuffiness of it ... I’d take the Bach I’d feel more comfortable with it over the long haul ...so if I was going to be gifted one I’d chose the Bach.
For years manufacturers have been copying Bach and now Bach is copying the Shew horn with this Commerical. Kinda says something about Bach wanting that piece of pie as well. IMHO the Shew horns are the best all-round horn (for the money) at Jazz, Lead and Commercial. The "Bach style" valve caps, the new 2 piece valve blocks and re-positioned balance have added more core and better slotting to the 8310z Gen II.
The Yamaha seems to be crisper, with a better response than the Bach. I would say the Bach has a slightly darker sound, while the Yamaha projects better.
Great question! I think I prefer to play the Yamaha a bit more but liked the sound of the Bach a bit more overall. Of course I play my custom Adams instruments (yes I am lucky to have so many great toys around ;-)). Thanks for watching!
Trent, from your side as the player, which do you think the easier to play, smoothest to blow - I felt on the high stuff the Bach was better, steadier - but I can't play that far up yet, so moot point I suppose
There's a reason I play it. I am fortunate I can afford and choose pretty much anything out there. The two primary Bb trumpets I play are both ones from Adams. A1v2 and Coppernicus
It’s the 8310Z vs. 190S1B ??? If it’s this Models I’ve tried booths and they are very, very different indeed. The feeling of playing are so different that I can’t understand this comparison. Different brands, construction block valves, bores, pipes, receivers, bells. Just my humble opinion :)
HEH not a huge difference. So similar. So the question for the buyer would be do they go JP or domestic? :) Not as noticeable a difference as with saxophones. You can almost always tell when you're hearing a Custom Z alto or tenor...over other brands/models..
The Yamaha sounds more "brassy" to me and perhaps a bit fuller as well. But what I really wonder is - which one feels the best when you blow it? I would never make a choice based on this video (most useful as it is) but would want to compare myself. But I suppose that for classical music people are more inclined to buy the Bach while a jazz musician would probably go for the Yamaha.
The Yamaha is definitely endurance based, because you can use much less effort to get the same sound as other horns, so you will last longer. Since Shew has emphysema, the horn was designed with his breathing in mind, hence poly bore. I would not say the Shew horn is for everyone, most will over blow it easily, but it is versatile and gives a good sound with a large mouthpiece, I use an old Getzen 1C, not like a Bach 1C and I can play any range, of course I have larger fleshy lips. The bad thing about a Yamaha is its valves, they suck, period.
I have a Bach Strad 37 that I am looking to replace with something more suited to jazz (I've just started in a jazz ensemble). In listening to this video, I can tell that the Yamaha is a tad more 'mellow', if that makes sense and to my ear, better suited to jazz. I have a Yamaha Flugel, which I love, so am seriously considering this trumpet. However, one thing that annoys me about my Flugel is that you constantly have to empty all the spit valves, I could be wrong, but it sound like the trumpet also had some residual spit. Do you find that more on Yamahas or is it just my imagination? BTW, awesome playing!
I’ve played the Bobby Shew a few times and man I love that horn so much. The valves are some of the best and fastest I’ve played on and the response and resonance throughout the entire horn especially the upper register is extremely beautiful. And the intonation is ridiculously good. Definitely my favorite horn for playing lead that I’ve gotten to try out. One of my favorites all over as well. That’s most definitely a dream horn to me
They both sound great! But I would prefer the Yamaha over the Bach! And I am convinced that you could stick a mouthpiece in a Highway emergency cone and make it sound great! :) Enjoy listening to you play!
Shew has more sound fidelity to my ears...both very nice.
Thanks for actually making the video Trent! I’m surprised at how close these two horns actually are.
I know the 8310Z-II can be extremely versatile, and adapt to almost any situation. However I know there is a learning curve to getting used to that step bore. My current YTR-83 is a medium bore with large slides, so I don’t have much experience dealing with step bores.
To me, I feel like the Bach with either the ML or L bore would be a closer feeling to what I’m doing with now in terms of air. I can definitely see the Bach being versatile, but not nearly as much as the Shew due to the bronze bell.
I know the new Shew horn is a solidly built horn, but there’s something about Bach’s valve blocks and the valves themselves that are just incredible to me. Will definitely need to try both horns in the same day. Maybe at ITG... who knows 😬
Thanks again!
Thanks for taking the time to watch and write such a great comment! Please say hi next time you're at the ITG! :)
I actually had the pleasure of trying out both these horns at a music store at the exact same time. It was definitely a unique experience trying them both, but I definitely would have to choose the Yamaha as my preferred option over the Bach.
Even though I was playing with the rounded tuning slide on the Bach, The Yamaha still felt Even more free-blowing and more open. Even with my minimal experience on the trumpet, I actually managed to squeak out a double g. I couldn't squeak out that same note on the Bach, and for sure the Yamaha felt more fun to me.
I have the Bobby Shew now for exactly one year. The best (for me) horn I’ve ever played on. It’ll stay till I die.
Congrats! They are wonderful instruments!
Jan, how does the Shew 8310 Gen 3 ( 2019 - …. ) play due to the Gen 2 ( 2008 - 2019 ) ?? Some folks say the Gen2 plays better than Gen 3
@@robknol3070 This is my first Bobby Shew so I couldn’t tell you. My teacher though played also the gen2 and he likes the gen3 better. But (like every brand) there are good ones and not that good ones. So try as much as you can.
@@jancuijpers8170 Thanx 🎺🎺
@@robknol3070 I've had both. Gen 3 (8310z Shew II) is slightly more open feeling in the leadpipe and with the "Bach style" valve caps and 2 piece valve block it has more core, more towards a Bach sound. It also slots way better above the staff. However, my old 8310Z had a smoother, warmer sound in the low register and a little more resistance, therefore more stamina for me. I love the new Shew, best all round Jazz and Commercial trumpet ever made. Not just a lead horn. So in summary, Accuracy, Slotting and Core sound improved over a smoother tone and better stamina. With the right mouthpieces they both work for Jazz and Lead playing.
I used to own a Bach Strad, which I sold a few years back as, really, once I got the Yamaha 6310Z ( the original Bobby Shew model ) I found I just played the Yamaha... I think personal preferences definitely count, but the Bobby Shew model is just so easy to play, light, responsive, very fast valves and a brilliant sound, especially on the high register, perfect for me, really....
This is the most useful comment of all - and answers exactly what I wanted to know!
The Bach sound is undeniable and is legendary but in this test I like the Yamaha sound based on what you played. Bach is great for classical playing but their are many other brands that kill the Bach in other genres.
Thank you for that. They both sound good and bright. Very commercial sounding. I did hear more lower tones in the Bach especially on the Charlier. On the jazz and ballads very similar. On the upper register sounded darker, I heard the sound project more in the Yamaha.
I had the medium large Bach commercial for a while. Your clip confirmed my feelings about the horn. Fabulous singing tone quality but more challenging to slot than other horns. I gravitated towards the Square tuning slide that came with it. So now I want a Bobby Shew Yamaha with the bronze Bell!
That Yamaha is the one!!!!
Wow! Tough call - I want both for different reasons. Bach would be a great classical horn for something like playing lead on the Grieg funeral March - tight, solid intonation, would be so centered playing long and high whereas the Yamaha would be my pit orchestra horn for West Side Story!!! Thanks!
I had the opportunity of trying out both of these horns, but I have to say;
YAMAHA all the way!!!!
Yamaha has a more pure sound. More core. More substantial.
Wish I could play like you, Trent!
The Yamaha sounds far more consistent throughout the registers and dynamics. Slightly darker sound, too. Though the Bach is a bit more brilliant, and really blossoms at the louder volumes.
Overall I would definitely take the Yamaha. Though I am admittedly biased, as I already play a Yamaha (8310z gen 1).
Yamaha has a more mellow tone but that might just be the lacquer finish. However, as tested I would definitely choose the Yamaha.
Hm... First of all, thank you for this comparison.
To my ear the first two comparisons revealed a consistent, but very slight, difference in the sound of the trumpets, with the Shew having a clearer, more brilliant timbre, with fewer lower overtones, and the Commercial having a fuller, richer sound, but when you went to the ballad, the difference was almost negated. Once again in the last comparison, the Shew was brighter, more noticeably so than in the first two tunes.
It seemed as if your attacks came easier and cleaner on the Bach overall, but not by much. Also, it seemed slightly easier for you to bring the last note away from being sharp with the Yamaha than with the Bach. Notice that I didn't say "in tune" as the pitch stayed sharp with both horns in spite of your effort to control this tendency.
Thank you again for providing the opportunity to hear these two highly acclaimed trumpets.
Great comments! I think they are very hard to compare (I might do a follow-up video with my ribbon mics and better acoustic room sound in the future). Both horns are super close to each other overall while still being fairly different as a whole!
Apples and oranges comparison. Both sound great in their own way.
Did you know there is a new Yamaha Commercial trumpet developed by Yamaha in Hamburg. As far as I know it’s only available from Prozone and Phil Parker in London. It sells for the same price as the Shew. The model number is 6335RC but I do t think it shares much with the old 6335 models. I think this was to cover what the Bach commercial was doing.
Yeah I have heard about that horn but haven't seen it in the US.
It’s actually cheaper than the Shew.. seems to be getting good reviews so far.
The cropping looks fine. Using the rule of thirds keeps the eye focused on the horns.
Oh these clips so often never do justice to how we sound “in person” but from what my ears could pick up, the Bach seems to have a sound best suited for more legit commercial work like Broadway, etc whereas the Yamaha has a slightly warmer quality in the mid range it lights up quicker upstairs with more overtones....Bobby’s horn is loosely based on the Schilke B6 but with a slightly bigger bell
The Yamaha is the winner for more core to the sound and I hear better partials than the Bach.
I grew up on a Bach Strad that my parents brought for me in 1976 new for $335. I play more big band and commercial now than concert and soloist. I got a Yamaha Z trumpet 10 years ago and I love it for what I play today. The air has less resistance because it is a ML bore at the mouthpiece but is a large bore at the bell. Plays easier in the upper register. I use the Bach for legit playing when you don't want a bright sound. But if you are looking for a lead trumpet that can be heard though a big band, I highly recommend the Z trumpet. I'm sure the Bach commercial is also a great horn. The horn is only as good as the person who is blowing the air through the horn.
I also played a Bach in college in the late ‘70s. They all have that classical brightness. Yamaha has a slightly warmer sound. I wonder though if that was due some what to the finish.
Very nice playing, two very nice horns. The Bach was a little fuller and had a broader tone. The Yamaha was brighter with a tighter core. The Bach perhaps is better suited to the recording studio and the Yamaha is a better jazz lead horn. I would tend to think the Bach would be easier to color the sound on. Great post!
yamaha is great!
Never thought I'd say this but the Yamaha sounded better! smoother, more control, projection.
Hey, how would you compare the new 8310zII to a Bach 190s37? Looking to get one of the 2.
Thanks!
Thanks for this. You sound great on both horns! I'm curious about your subjective impressions of how the horns felt to play. I'm an old guy coming back to the trumpet and looking for a horn that will most facilitate upper register and endurance (Yes, I know, the holy grail) , mostly for jazz and big band. Cheers and thanks.
We have some really solid options for you in stock. Give us a call 816-410-0826 or email info@austincustombrass.com and we can fit you with the right match for your playing!
Very close to call l own 2 yamaha's and love them ytr734 and ytr632. But if I had to choose the bach comercial sounds just a little more mellow and attachs well to my ear .
I agree they are both very close!
@@austincustom if l had to choose if the bach is lighter in weight that is the one l would choose. Different design for a bach l like the bach.
The Yamaha sounds more focused to me, and you sound more comfortable with the slots on it. The Bach sounds nice as well, just a little more broad.
The Shew is more centred, compact, brilliant sound. I like the Bach, but not that comercial bach. Bach is for classical music, have the best atack and solid sound.
That Bach. Love it.
Please do a comparison of the BAC Benge MLP bore and the Bach 1B .462" bore horns. Is the Bach you are playing. 459 or .462? You sound great on both horns but the Bach sounds richer.
No Bach commercials in stock
I think your audience will never notice the difference between horns, unless they play a horn.
Go for the best value.
A microphone and a mixer can change things up a lot.
Bach's QC is lacking and you need to play the horn first to ensure it's proper operation/ sound.
I would trust yamaha's consistency out of the box more, just like all their other instruments.
Yamaha and it’s not close, that said the Bach is a wonder instrument..
It’s Just my ear likes the Yamaha, a lot.
🎼🎶Yamaha! Yamaha! Yama all the way!!
Yamaha sounds a little bit livier and I think it responds also a little better than B.
I liked the sound of the Shew better but don’t trust the potential stuffiness of it ... I’d take the Bach I’d feel more comfortable with it over the long haul ...so if I was going to be gifted one I’d chose the Bach.
Definitely the Yamaha! More warmth more sizzle more color the commercial is way to 37ish boring.
I definitely like your sound better on the Bach!
This week I'll do an Adams-Bach-Yamaha comparison... I think we both know which one I'll prefer ;-)
Saludos, puede hacer un video comparativo entre la trompeta fides symphony classic y la Carol brass
For years manufacturers have been copying Bach and now Bach is copying the Shew horn with this Commerical. Kinda says something about Bach wanting that piece of pie as well. IMHO the Shew horns are the best all-round horn (for the money) at Jazz, Lead and Commercial. The "Bach style" valve caps, the new 2 piece valve blocks and re-positioned balance have added more core and better slotting to the 8310z Gen II.
Bobby Shew sounds brighter and not as dense a sound
I didn't notice much difference. I guess I don't have refined ears. They both seemed kind of thin to me but it might just be the video.
Or the player 🤓
I can’t tell. I like the spit valve design on The Yamaha better
What mouthpiece do you use here?
An ACB/Schagerl Apredato (1C) and our ACB TAZ mpcsales@austincustombrass.com
The Yamaha seems to be crisper, with a better response than the Bach. I would say the Bach has a slightly darker sound, while the Yamaha projects better.
any chamce you do a schilke B7 against the Shew
Sure buy a b7 and send it to me 😎😎😎😎
Hi Trent, which did you prefer to play? And then how to they compare to custom horns?
Great question! I think I prefer to play the Yamaha a bit more but liked the sound of the Bach a bit more overall. Of course I play my custom Adams instruments (yes I am lucky to have so many great toys around ;-)). Thanks for watching!
Do you guys have any 8335-LA in stock?
Not at this time.
Trent, from your side as the player, which do you think the easier to play, smoothest to blow - I felt on the high stuff the Bach was better, steadier - but I can't play that far up yet, so moot point I suppose
I really like the Yamaha... but that's me. I prefer my Adams a1v2 over both of them (and it's not close).
@@austincustom figured you say that. toot your own horn. lol.
There's a reason I play it. I am fortunate I can afford and choose pretty much anything out there. The two primary Bb trumpets I play are both ones from Adams. A1v2 and Coppernicus
It’s the 8310Z vs. 190S1B ???
If it’s this Models I’ve tried booths and they are very, very different indeed. The feeling of playing are so different that I can’t understand this comparison. Different brands, construction block valves, bores, pipes, receivers, bells. Just my humble opinion :)
A customer of mine asked for the comparison so I recorded the video. Simple reason why I did it! :)
HEH not a huge difference. So similar. So the question for the buyer would be do they go JP or domestic? :) Not as noticeable a difference as with saxophones. You can almost always tell when you're hearing a Custom Z alto or tenor...over other brands/models..
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tell me what is the name of this song?
In a Sentimental Mood
The Bach Commercial is more brightly.
I liked more the Yamaha sound, but not a very great difference there
The Yamaha sounds more "brassy" to me and perhaps a bit fuller as well. But what I really wonder is - which one feels the best when you blow it? I would never make a choice based on this video (most useful as it is) but would want to compare myself. But I suppose that for classical music people are more inclined to buy the Bach while a jazz musician would probably go for the Yamaha.
The Yamaha is definitely endurance based, because you can use much less effort to get the same sound as other horns, so you will last longer. Since Shew has emphysema, the horn was designed with his breathing in mind, hence poly bore. I would not say the Shew horn is for everyone, most will over blow it easily, but it is versatile and gives a good sound with a large mouthpiece, I use an old Getzen 1C, not like a Bach 1C and I can play any range, of course I have larger fleshy lips. The bad thing about a Yamaha is its valves, they suck, period.
i got both horns. i like more the bach commercial compared to custom z.
The bach for me a better sound .
I have a Bach Strad 37 that I am looking to replace with something more suited to jazz (I've just started in a jazz ensemble). In listening to this video, I can tell that the Yamaha is a tad more 'mellow', if that makes sense and to my ear, better suited to jazz. I have a Yamaha Flugel, which I love, so am seriously considering this trumpet. However, one thing that annoys me about my Flugel is that you constantly have to empty all the spit valves, I could be wrong, but it sound like the trumpet also had some residual spit. Do you find that more on Yamahas or is it just my imagination? BTW, awesome playing!
Yamaha all the way!
Yamaha me agradou mais
I prefere MONETTE prana 2 raw brass
Congratulations
Haha, I think Apples are better than Oranges.
Yamaha
Trent, the Yamaha sounded better
No difference
Try to listen.;)
Yamaha BS
Yamaha
Yamaha
Yamaha