In the case of the irritator, it depends, if you are using its size from the first fossil, it loses, but if it is the estimate of the angaturama (since new studies show that they were the same animal),The irritator wins because it's bigger and stronger, but nice edition 👍
Yes i was using the holotype, and no there aren't any new studies clearly proving that Angaturama is synonymous with Irritator, we still don't know. They only have like 2 cm of bone overlap in common, they could be the same specie or different species but we would need more completes remains with more overlap to make sure.
@@RzkEditz Thank you very much for responding, but there are studies that have shown that there is a high chance that they are the same animal such as: the new reconstruction of the irritator's skull that shows that it was everywhere flattened laterally like the tip of the angaturama's snout, and the argument is also used that the balance of the ecosystem where the irritator lived could not support two fishermen of similar size and the final argument is the LPP-PV-0042 holotype which is larger than the two holotypes(irritator and angaturama). Of course this is just evidence and doesn't confirm anything, so we should have our own opinions, but it was just a small correction 😁👍
@@RzkEditz A! Just out of curiosity, the irritator holotype would be 6m long, that of the angaturama would be 8m long and the LPP-PV-0042 holotype would be 9m(or more) long.
@@dvrp4532 Sorry for the late answer im kinda busy at the moment, can you mention where in the Cranial Osteology study they mentionned that there's a high chance they're the same animal ? Again only a very small portion of their remains overlap so its really hard to slice, and also in their phylogeny Irritator and Angaturama are considered different. Your second argument of 2 animals with the same alimentation cannot coexist is also pretty irrelevant to me, its debunked by both modern days animals (C. niloticus and C. suchus) and extinct genus like the fact there's a consensus that there were at least 2 spinosaurids in Africa in the Ceromanian coexisting in the same region (S. aegyptiacus and S. brevicolis) supported by many studies like Hendrickx et al. 2016 for example. Animals can have preferences in preying habitat for exemple to coexist while eating the same thing. And finally i dont see how LPP-PV-0042 being bigger than both goes in line to show they're the same, its literally just a scrappy tibia piece so doesnt really prove anything. Thanks for being polite too ^^
@@RzkEditz I'll explain better, first: the studies that showed that the recovered materials belonged to different species were based on the size and shape of the snout,Since it was believed that the irritator snout was rounded Like Spinosaurus, and with the new reconstruction of the irritator skull, that it had a crest that went to the tip of its snout, flattening it at the end, like the material of angaturama. Second: it is worth remembering that irritator and angaturama were not like (for example) suchomimus and spinosaurus(as one was a baryoniquinae and the other was a spinosaurinae, and had different adaptations), as they were two spinosaurines, in a tight ecosystem, since with my experience with the Crato and Romualdo formation when I went there (I'm not a paleontologist), the environment of these two animals was different, Because there was almost a big sea, with islands and small, thin portions of land, it was a very tight place for two very similar predators(but of course this is a big speculation that actually explains a lot) but now I'm in a hurry so I'll answer you more later.
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on ne s'en rend pas souvent compte, mais yangchuanosaurus était quand même un prédateur incroyable
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Thanks ^^
In the case of the irritator, it depends, if you are using its size from the first fossil, it loses, but if it is the estimate of the angaturama (since new studies show that they were the same animal),The irritator wins because it's bigger and stronger, but nice edition 👍
Yes i was using the holotype, and no there aren't any new studies clearly proving that Angaturama is synonymous with Irritator, we still don't know. They only have like 2 cm of bone overlap in common, they could be the same specie or different species but we would need more completes remains with more overlap to make sure.
@@RzkEditz Thank you very much for responding, but there are studies that have shown that there is a high chance that they are the same animal such as: the new reconstruction of the irritator's skull that shows that it was everywhere flattened laterally like the tip of the angaturama's snout, and the argument is also used that the balance of the ecosystem where the irritator lived could not support two fishermen of similar size and the final argument is the LPP-PV-0042 holotype which is larger than the two holotypes(irritator and angaturama). Of course this is just evidence and doesn't confirm anything, so we should have our own opinions, but it was just a small correction 😁👍
@@RzkEditz A! Just out of curiosity, the irritator holotype would be 6m long, that of the angaturama would be 8m long and the LPP-PV-0042 holotype would be 9m(or more) long.
@@dvrp4532 Sorry for the late answer im kinda busy at the moment, can you mention where in the Cranial Osteology study they mentionned that there's a high chance they're the same animal ? Again only a very small portion of their remains overlap so its really hard to slice, and also in their phylogeny Irritator and Angaturama are considered different. Your second argument of 2 animals with the same alimentation cannot coexist is also pretty irrelevant to me, its debunked by both modern days animals (C. niloticus and C. suchus) and extinct genus like the fact there's a consensus that there were at least 2 spinosaurids in Africa in the Ceromanian coexisting in the same region (S. aegyptiacus and S. brevicolis) supported by many studies like Hendrickx et al. 2016 for example. Animals can have preferences in preying habitat for exemple to coexist while eating the same thing. And finally i dont see how LPP-PV-0042 being bigger than both goes in line to show they're the same, its literally just a scrappy tibia piece so doesnt really prove anything. Thanks for being polite too ^^
@@RzkEditz I'll explain better, first: the studies that showed that the recovered materials belonged to different species were based on the size and shape of the snout,Since it was believed that the irritator snout was rounded Like Spinosaurus, and with the new reconstruction of the irritator skull, that it had a crest that went to the tip of its snout, flattening it at the end, like the material of angaturama. Second: it is worth remembering that irritator and angaturama were not like (for example) suchomimus and spinosaurus(as one was a baryoniquinae and the other was a spinosaurinae, and had different adaptations), as they were two spinosaurines, in a tight ecosystem, since with my experience with the Crato and Romualdo formation when I went there (I'm not a paleontologist), the environment of these two animals was different, Because there was almost a big sea, with islands and small, thin portions of land, it was a very tight place for two very similar predators(but of course this is a big speculation that actually explains a lot) but now I'm in a hurry so I'll answer you more later.
Yang and irritator za best
Sadly they lost today 😅
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Irritator wins In Mid-High Difficulty
Australovenator has way better weaponry despite a size disavantage, it would tear Irritator's appart in a fight to the death.
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