@@JilesMcCoy the burner is 200 bucks. you can get a excellent synology DS1823xs+ and 96TB of HD (8x12tb @ $199 todays price Seagate Ironwolf Pro NAS) for $3300. A blu ray ripper is $200 (Asus BW-16). $3500 and you have 96TB of space in a RAID array. You still have to buy discs just like you have to buy their overpriced movies and you own what you buy. You are way, way ahead here it's not even close. As an AV integrator this is what I do for my clients and they love Plex. You try and match specs with Kaleidescape and you tell me why anyone should pay an ungodly amount of $ more for this product. I met with them at CEDIA myself because I figure there has to be more to it and there isn't. It's a massively overpriced product and that's coming from someone that could profit from it as a dealer. I won't rip off my clients like that. They want $5,000 for an 8TB server lol. What I just priced out is 12x that in storage. what a joke. You have any idea how many 4K movies 8TB holds? not much
@@JilesMcCoy To be fair, most anyone I know who has a Plex server, largely has torrented 4k BluRay rips. A NAS is cheap these days when you consider drive costs. You commented in another thread about "1000+ movies if you want" but that's a bit misleading. The base system is 4k for a 960GB SSD. 960GB will store about 65-70 4k movies - so to reach "1000+" you'd need not one, but 2 of their "8TB movie servers" in addition to the Strato - totaling with taxes over $15,000 USD. Meanwhile I could build a Plex Server using my already existing home PC with an nVME storage array with single drive parity (meaning redundancy if the drive fails) giving me a total capacity of 6TB (using 2Tb Samsung 990 Pro SSDs) of storage for less than $1000 ($180 each for the 4 SSDs and the array runs around $200-250) - why would anyone with any amount of technical know-how (likely the only people interested in this market anyways) want to spend 4x that amount for 1/6 the capacity and a system that is objectively slower than a VM anyone with a decent home PC build could stand up in 10 minutes? To go a step further - say I had money burning a hole in my pocket - I could buy an ASUSTOR 12 bay nVME array for $2300, 12 - 2TB 990 Pro nVMD Solid States at $180 a pop, have dual drive parity and still have #TB more storage than the 2 Movie Servers + the Strato combined, all for less than $5k after taxes. This is a perfect example of a product being made to fill a market that doesn't exist, and I'd be willing to bet than in a few years, the company behind it will cease to exist, just like the market they made it for.
@@TwoWheeledBooBear You can have 10,000 movies with a Strato V if you want. The unit only holds 10 or 12 at a time, but you get lifetime cloud storage with every movie you buy. You aren't forced to store them on local storage like with torrented movies. I have an old 6TB unit and its plenty of storage for my viewing needs. Not all of my movies fit at one time of course, but I just download what I want if its not on there. This system does not work like a NAS storing files. That is part of the absolute beauty of it. I'll take you up on your bet. Its 7/18/2024. Lets come back on 7/18/2027 and see who wins. How much do you want to wager?
@@JilesMcCoyits not so much the price only , its the tie in to an ecosystem that Im not willing to go there , trust me , this platform will not last your lifetime , physical media does , the product is great , but one day they will go bye bye and your movie collection will go with them
Or for you a dealer it's the income There is no way to justify 4k +tax for 10 movies 🍿 For a subpar experience Not having 10 disk is not worth 4k That's 400+ per movie + buying the film🤣🤣
Just ordered one. So you don’t get to scroll through the cover art to find movies to buy? Is that not there? Do you just have to search for movies you want? Or collections? How is it set up?
This definitely makes the entry level easier or less painful to the wallet. Do you ever see a lower price additional server/storage to add to the V coming in the future?
With the simplified home screen will you be able to view your whole library eg all you own say you owned 100 movies but not downloaded. Also does it have the scope format ?
They should have added 3D support. In my opinion, that would have been more beneficial than DV. Especially for those of us with 3D compatible TV's and projectors. They need to make this happen
@JilesMcCoy Maybe if we push a little harder, the studios or Kaleidescape would listen in stead of locking away the 3D copy in a vault after the theatrical release
please answer this question for me please 🤔if I buy this unit ,pay the 3995 dollars hook on my system , turn it on , movie catalogue it show , then I click for example to Aquaman 3 can I watch this movie without paying nothing ?
There not respecting our money or care for best content on the tv If we spend 4k + 20to 24 dollars per movie for a player for 10 movies and that's 4200 all in And can't have the same experience of a interface and demo to feel good about that purchase Might as well buy Apple TV & Sony Core movies are up to 80Mbps and save 3990 dollars They need to update that
Yeah, no. $4000 is still entirely too expensive for entry into yet another digital storefront where you don't actually own anything. And the premium aspects of it still don't justify it even at this price tag. Theater-grade DCP's are all but wasted on...well, anyone who doesn't own an actual full-size theater. But I get why Kaleidescape exists - it's for super-rich people who don't want to bother going through the hassle of setting up their own curated movie server. And those same people will gladly pay thousands to have someone come into their house just to plug it in. But this new model puzzles me - who is this device for? It seems like it's being marketed towards those with more limited means but at that price, no one in their right mind is going to touch this. As others have already posted - there are better devices with way more functionality that cost a fraction of this.
@@JilesMcCoy thanks but no thanks,So many boutique label titles,foreign titles are not found on kaleidoscope.Its for those whos got extra cash on the side.Even then,if you are movie buff kaleidoscope can't be sole source of movie watching in your home theatre.If kaleidoscope wants to go more mainstream they can't charge 4k$ for a player.Thats not gonna appease collectors crowd because they like their special editions,steelbooks on the shelf.And streaming crowd who complains when you put extra 2$ a month on subscription won't be queuing for the player for 4000 bucks
get a synology server which runs Plex. buy a $200 4K ripper and rip all your discs. No discs then, if you want, and you aren't wasting all your money buying their bloated priced products!
They should consider offering a monthly viewing plan that would let owners download a certain number of movies a month for a monthly fee. Similar to the companies that mail you a certain number of movies for a monthly fee. I agree with others though that for this to interest a bigger audience that the price would need to come down some.
I have a great pc and video card. With the free MPC media player with mad vr plugin to play movies in 4K HDR atmos. PC is HDMI to a Marantz Cinema 50 and Arendal 1723 speakers and a 120" projector. (The Marantz cost less than this clunky media looking player) I'm over 15K invested in the home theater. But It's nuts to me that this costs this much for what is basically a $4,000 version of the free MPC media player??? AND it only has a small internal storage? I have close to 40 TB's of storage with thousands of movies in MKV format. You can buy a super computer and video card, tons of storage for waaaaay less than this ripoff costs... I've been in sales and customer service and tech for over 30 years. I know a ripoff when I see one. jus sayin...
Finally!! Assuming disc to digital is supported, this is ALMOST exactly what I've been waiting for from Kscape. Your assessment is spot on, it should open the market up for Kscape significantly. The 1gb LAN port is the one BIG disappointment, though. Why, oh why wouldn't they use the current 2.5gb LAN? Please ask tonight Jiles. Also not sure about the GUI, but we'll see how it actually works!
get a synology and plex sever for 10% of the cost. Their business model is ridiculous
But you have to buy use blu ray discs right? What hard drives are you using? I need a full NAS for 200 bucks like you are saying.
@@JilesMcCoy the burner is 200 bucks. you can get a excellent synology DS1823xs+ and 96TB of HD (8x12tb @ $199 todays price Seagate Ironwolf Pro NAS) for $3300. A blu ray ripper is $200 (Asus BW-16). $3500 and you have 96TB of space in a RAID array. You still have to buy discs just like you have to buy their overpriced movies and you own what you buy. You are way, way ahead here it's not even close. As an AV integrator this is what I do for my clients and they love Plex. You try and match specs with Kaleidescape and you tell me why anyone should pay an ungodly amount of $ more for this product. I met with them at CEDIA myself because I figure there has to be more to it and there isn't. It's a massively overpriced product and that's coming from someone that could profit from it as a dealer. I won't rip off my clients like that. They want $5,000 for an 8TB server lol. What I just priced out is 12x that in storage. what a joke. You have any idea how many 4K movies 8TB holds? not much
@@JilesMcCoy To be fair, most anyone I know who has a Plex server, largely has torrented 4k BluRay rips. A NAS is cheap these days when you consider drive costs.
You commented in another thread about "1000+ movies if you want" but that's a bit misleading. The base system is 4k for a 960GB SSD. 960GB will store about 65-70 4k movies - so to reach "1000+" you'd need not one, but 2 of their "8TB movie servers" in addition to the Strato - totaling with taxes over $15,000 USD.
Meanwhile I could build a Plex Server using my already existing home PC with an nVME storage array with single drive parity (meaning redundancy if the drive fails) giving me a total capacity of 6TB (using 2Tb Samsung 990 Pro SSDs) of storage for less than $1000 ($180 each for the 4 SSDs and the array runs around $200-250) - why would anyone with any amount of technical know-how (likely the only people interested in this market anyways) want to spend 4x that amount for 1/6 the capacity and a system that is objectively slower than a VM anyone with a decent home PC build could stand up in 10 minutes?
To go a step further - say I had money burning a hole in my pocket - I could buy an ASUSTOR 12 bay nVME array for $2300, 12 - 2TB 990 Pro nVMD Solid States at $180 a pop, have dual drive parity and still have #TB more storage than the 2 Movie Servers + the Strato combined, all for less than $5k after taxes.
This is a perfect example of a product being made to fill a market that doesn't exist, and I'd be willing to bet than in a few years, the company behind it will cease to exist, just like the market they made it for.
@@TwoWheeledBooBear You can have 10,000 movies with a Strato V if you want. The unit only holds 10 or 12 at a time, but you get lifetime cloud storage with every movie you buy. You aren't forced to store them on local storage like with torrented movies. I have an old 6TB unit and its plenty of storage for my viewing needs. Not all of my movies fit at one time of course, but I just download what I want if its not on there. This system does not work like a NAS storing files. That is part of the absolute beauty of it.
I'll take you up on your bet. Its 7/18/2024. Lets come back on 7/18/2027 and see who wins. How much do you want to wager?
Sorry Jiles 3995$ is still more than I’m willing to spend. I’ll get excited when it gets to be around $1000.
Eventually!
@@JilesMcCoyits not so much the price only , its the tie in to an ecosystem that Im not willing to go there , trust me , this platform will not last your lifetime , physical media does , the product is great , but one day they will go bye bye and your movie collection will go with them
This is huge news across the home theater community!
100%
The whole experience of this system is the interface Why spend 4k to have Roku screen
For me it’s about having no discs, but fair point!
Or for you a dealer it's the income
There is no way to justify 4k +tax for 10 movies 🍿
For a subpar experience
Not having 10 disk is not worth 4k
That's 400+ per movie + buying the film🤣🤣
@@angelosilva4666 huh? You can have 1000 movies if you want.
Just ordered one. So you don’t get to scroll through the cover art to find movies to buy? Is that not there? Do you just have to search for movies you want? Or collections? How is it set up?
That’s on the app.
I’d love to experience this but why can’t we access here down under?
VPN to the rescue.
This definitely makes the entry level easier or less painful to the wallet. Do you ever see a lower price additional server/storage to add to the V coming in the future?
In the long run but no time soon.
Can you upgrade the storage by swapping out the SSD drive? I guess its nice they let your store purchases in the cloud.
I agree that would be nice, but it’s not an option.
With the simplified home screen will you be able to view your whole library eg all you own say you owned 100 movies but not downloaded. Also does it have the scope format ?
Please come to the stream tonight to ask!
They should have added 3D support. In my opinion, that would have been more beneficial than DV. Especially for those of us with 3D compatible TV's and projectors. They need to make this happen
That would be nice.
@JilesMcCoy Maybe if we push a little harder, the studios or Kaleidescape would listen in stead of locking away the 3D copy in a vault after the theatrical release
Will you have a demo of the new interface at the livesteam?
I’ll ask for it but so far no dice.
Is there a trade in program for us strato c owners to upgrade to strato v
No, probably just eBay and a new purchase.
Do you have a link to the spec sheet?
You can see it in my video and I have this: www.kaleidescape.com/strato-v-movie-player/
@@JilesMcCoy I appreciate it.
1 last question for tonight if possible ..is there a price for the U.K?
Please come to the stream tonight to ask.
please answer this question for me please 🤔if I buy this unit ,pay the 3995 dollars hook on my system , turn it on , movie catalogue it show , then I click for example to Aquaman 3 can I watch this movie without paying nothing ?
No,you have to buy the movie,
Movies aren't free unfortunately.
Nice coverage and yeah this is the 4k bluray killer. I will make my purchase next year on this one.
You are going to love it!
Always liked what they have done but to expensive for me. What SSD did they use and can you put in your own if you want bigger storage?
Don’t know, and no, you can’t change the drive.
It’s like Apple environment, works well, overpriced, and completely protected/shielded off, so you have to buy there overpriced Nas storage.
Strato V is $4k player with UI in 1080p and looks terrible on big screens. Other than that it’s excellent player.
I didnt notice the resolution of the UI. Seemed ok where Ive seen it.
There not respecting our money or care for best content on the tv
If we spend 4k + 20to 24 dollars per movie for a player for 10 movies and that's 4200 all in
And can't have the same experience of a interface and demo to feel good about that purchase
Might as well buy Apple TV & Sony Core movies are up to 80Mbps and save 3990 dollars
They need to update that
I would feel good about the purchase...
Still currently out of my price range but maybe someday..... I guess I should finish my home theater first. Hehe
They are never really finished are they?
Yeah, no. $4000 is still entirely too expensive for entry into yet another digital storefront where you don't actually own anything. And the premium aspects of it still don't justify it even at this price tag. Theater-grade DCP's are all but wasted on...well, anyone who doesn't own an actual full-size theater. But I get why Kaleidescape exists - it's for super-rich people who don't want to bother going through the hassle of setting up their own curated movie server. And those same people will gladly pay thousands to have someone come into their house just to plug it in. But this new model puzzles me - who is this device for? It seems like it's being marketed towards those with more limited means but at that price, no one in their right mind is going to touch this. As others have already posted - there are better devices with way more functionality that cost a fraction of this.
No, that’s not it.
Awesome update from kscape!!
It really is!
Panasonic ub9000"the best player in the market"+2800$ to spend on 4ks,or bare player for 4000$ that dont play discs
Exactly, no more discs!
@@JilesMcCoy If the player gets damaged, no more discs and movies! Unless you have another $4,000 to throw away again.🤣🤣🤣
@@JilesMcCoy thanks but no thanks,So many boutique label titles,foreign titles are not found on kaleidoscope.Its for those whos got extra cash on the side.Even then,if you are movie buff kaleidoscope can't be sole source of movie watching in your home theatre.If kaleidoscope wants to go more mainstream they can't charge 4k$ for a player.Thats not gonna appease collectors crowd because they like their special editions,steelbooks on the shelf.And streaming crowd who complains when you put extra 2$ a month on subscription won't be queuing for the player for 4000 bucks
@@roberrzadkowski2789 exactly,so many of us got 2 players in case one of them fails
get a synology server which runs Plex. buy a $200 4K ripper and rip all your discs. No discs then, if you want, and you aren't wasting all your money buying their bloated priced products!
They should consider offering a monthly viewing plan that would let owners download a certain number of movies a month for a monthly fee. Similar to the companies that mail you a certain number of movies for a monthly fee. I agree with others though that for this to interest a bigger audience that the price would need to come down some.
That would be cool!
I have a great pc and video card. With the free MPC media player with mad vr plugin to play movies in 4K HDR atmos. PC is HDMI to a Marantz Cinema 50 and Arendal 1723 speakers and a 120" projector. (The Marantz cost less than this clunky media looking player) I'm over 15K invested in the home theater. But It's nuts to me that this costs this much for what is basically a $4,000 version of the free MPC media player??? AND it only has a small internal storage? I have close to 40 TB's of storage with thousands of movies in MKV format. You can buy a super computer and video card, tons of storage for waaaaay less than this ripoff costs... I've been in sales and customer service and tech for over 30 years. I know a ripoff when I see one. jus sayin...
That’s a big investment in discs right there!
@@JilesMcCoy 🏴☠
Finally!! Assuming disc to digital is supported, this is ALMOST exactly what I've been waiting for from Kscape. Your assessment is spot on, it should open the market up for Kscape significantly. The 1gb LAN port is the one BIG disappointment, though. Why, oh why wouldn't they use the current 2.5gb LAN? Please ask tonight Jiles. Also not sure about the GUI, but we'll see how it actually works!
Come ask tonight yourself! Love to have you in the audience!
Me too
:-)
And you will STILL need the player to play the movie so you really dont own the movies.........Pass.
You have to have a player to play any movie.
SWEET!!! 😎
For real!
no thanks
Dont know it till you try it!