But we don't. In fiction, if a girl character who had a relationship ship with a man falls in love with a girl, that means she's now gay. (I have legitimately seen people call marceline gay (not as an umbrella term, as in the gay) becuase she dates a girl now. Like bitch you serious? She can be bi, pan, she can be a sexuality that I don't know/remember right now but she ain't gay or straight) like, no that's not how it works. That's not how ANY of that works.
It's funny how, when shown a left-handed character, bigots will be like "oh, cool! I'm left handed too, it's neat to see people like me!" and then refuse to acknowledge that same logic for any other qualities of a character
about pandering, Why its bad? They big corporations don't really care. They pander because its easy, they pander because its profitable and if it becomes not profitable to pander to a certain race or gender guess what happens. ruclips.net/video/bhI90v_ivU0/видео.html why did Disney shrink finn in the Chinese StarWars poster? They are just pandering to China right? you should be "offended" that Disney can just shrink Finn to "pander" to China. "should Disney ignore a group of people that exist and consume media" "so yeah they are appeasing china die mad there is nothing wrong with that ima play a a little sad song on the worlds smallest violin" as some would say. You want to be tolerant then this is okay. I don't think left handed people are removed though if a culture like right handed people.
@@tinyetoile5503 you are saying that people are fine with seeing and relating to someone being left handed but have a problem when it comes to gender race size etc, but shows are not going around changing their characters from being right to left handed to be inclusive. New characters are made to be left handed why is that not the same to these other attributes. The majority of people are fine with making new character to be inclusive but changing an already existing character to be inclusive is helpful to no one. In the situation I mentioned in my first comment big companies only care about the audiance as long as it's profitable. If they were to bring an American inclusive show to china you bet they will be making some changes to the characters to make them more relatable to the Chinese audiance.
@@tinyetoile5503 if a film producer wants to be inclusive and relatable they better be making new characters to be inclusive because if they take the route of changing their already existing characters, they can change their characters back depending on who is watching.
@@mesaplayer9636 OK well my comment had literally nothing to do about any of that, except observing a double standard, so IDK why you're talking about that in my replies
People are annoyed that Spider-Man might have a boyfriend when there have been official comics where Mary Jane is a lesbian in a different universe for years Edit: I meant this as in “people are annoyed about a gay Spider-Man when there is already a gay Spider-Man”
“It’s hot when girls do it” Some guy said that aloud in my class one day when talking abt gay people and got chewed out by the teacher so I guess that has something to do with it.
I think it’s more that people dont like it that mcu spiderman is gay, sinds it seems like it’s more of a tag on. There was build up or hints he was gay seems a bit of to me honestly
"BISEXUAL PEOPLE EXIST!" **cuts to a photo of him, and he fades out, leaving only the background** "Or maybe I don't..." This is the greatest bit of all time
Being Bi must kind of suck in terms of discrimination. I've heard that bi people have historically faced discrimination even from within the larger LGBTQ+ community. I met a guy once who had been a gay and later bi porn star and some actors and actresses wouldnt even work with him since the men only worked with gay men and the women only worked with straight men. I bet the fun of bi orgies help make up for the discrimination though (assuming you have the planning skills necessary to arrange for a bisexual Bacchanalia).
as a half native and half black latina (mestiza) i feel you, the only indigenous rep i can remember i had growing up was pocahontas and honestly disney fucked it up, i was always obsessed with all disney princesses except for her... the movies just didn't feel right and later i found out how they got inspo from a real story and romanticized rape/genocide
@@chrisrockett5897 Spiderham line from the movie, bud, but yeah, Zombie Spider-Man that, when feeling at the bottom of the barrel, stops being PETER PARKER instead of Spiderman, like, he physically removes the face of Peter Parker and leaves it in a street alley.
as a bi man, I really hate that media acts like we don't exist. literally the only characters in media who are bisexual are women so that men can have the fantasy of having a three-way with her, and watch her do lesbian things while still having her be open to the possibility of being with them. any time theres a man who is bi or pan or whatever, its always done as a joke. its just so depressing man...
@@toxicsheep9203 how am I being dishonest? I havent watched every single piece of media ever to exist. you mind giving some examples? some names maybe? cuz I am being completely honest, if there are any good ones out there then I just dont know of them, so please let me know. if you dont actually have any examples then youre just being an asshole.
Totally agree. As a bi woman, it really annoys me how rare bi representation exists, and when it does it’s usually just to fetishise sapphic women. Like I get enough of that in real life, I don’t want it from the media too thanks. Representation of different sexualities is definitely getting a little better, but we still need more bi men.
Well to be honest it is. The right stand for traditions and it is tradition (sadly) to hate da gays in a lot of countries. Therefore by showing lgbtq+ characters you’re telling the audience thay being gay is okay (what it is). A statement that’s more left leaning and finally therefore political.
@@jokehu7115 its sad that it has to be a political thing tho. like,,, your existence is inherently political because righties piss their diapers every time they see u
@@jokehu7115 Well no because ‘people are allowed to exist’ isn’t a political opinion mate. Gay people do exist regardless of what the right think or want.
@@littlemrsmods7998 existing is one thing to show them on tv is another. The rights point of view is that you dont show them at all like they dont exist
It's interesting to think people would think marceline/princess bubble gum where "made gay" in the new series when there were references to them having a romantic relationship for most of the old series, they were just literally closeted because they were on a kid's network... and that's kind of like representation in general, it's not that there aren't diverse people in media because they don't exist, it's just that they aren't allowed to exist in that space.
Drawing attention to someone's race, gender, or sexual orientation to make them stand out is never a good thing. It makes you think about their 'otherness', where before you were just enjoying that person as a, well, person. I've caught myself at least once realizing that, after a specific characteristic of someone was pointed out to me (look! he is black/look! he is gay) my brain focused on that one characteristic, and it detracted from my enjoyment, because my brain wanted to stop thinking of the person, and instead think of 'that black dude'.
Fax. Earlier today I was reading reviews for season 5 of This Is Us (great show, I really recommend it) and the reviews gave me brainrot, just a ton of right wing dumbasses saying how it's all left propaganda, one of the characters is in a relationship with a non-binary person, and she always has to remind her parents to use they/them pronouns for them, I can relate to this, I have a friend who is non-binary, I also always have to remind my parents to use the correct pronouns. This Is Us covers every possible subject, whether through a minor character, or a major plot point (those same right wing people also were annoyed at COVID being covered, which is stupid, the show in that season was set in 2020, and the show takes place in our world with constant references to happenings within our world) because it is a show all about life, the life of the main family in the show, the lives of the families sprouting off of them, and life in general, so people who think it's annoying This Is Us having lots of representation obviously just haven't watched the show, or they're just using the show as an excuse to be queerphobic and racist.
@@onelusciouslad7841 No dude lot of it is leftist propaganda you literally confirmed it That the character constantly talks about their pronouns and shoves it in people's faces its garbage and it turns people off.
I prefer to just use the literal meanings of the words, within reason. I'll use 'virtue signaling' to mean a very small, effortless gesture used to indicate support for a humanitarian cause. I will also use 'simp' as short for 'simpleton'. Luckily, most uses of these words fall squarely within these definitions.
@@joshiba-yj8qn He obtained his power just like Peter, his costume is basically a black colour version of Peter, his personality such as being a scientific genius is the same just like Peter Parker, let's face it the dude isn't that original to be honest and for the record I'm talking about comic book miles although most of the argument still applies to movie miles, for a character that's actually a character that took the mantle of a previous hero without having to be the same damn character or a respawn then Terry McGinnis/ Bat man beyond is your guy.
There is a difference between representation and tokenism. For example, JoJo's Bizzare a Adventure had a female lead in part 6 (Jolyne) and a disabled lead in part 7 (Johnny) back to back. And Stone Ocean and Steel Ball Run are fan favourites because Johnny and Jolyne's personalities don't consist entirely on being a girl or being disabled. They're actual characters with development and flaws.
@@volieval I agree. There's also the main iterations of Miles Morales and Ms. Marvel (Kamala Kahn). Miles isn't just the black Spiderman, he's like a brother to Peter Parker.
@@thelgiver5844 yeah and through him, we also saw the world behind peter parker's eyes. And also the problem is no one really understands what they are arguing, first there are people who are uncomfortable with gays, second there are fans who doesnt want their character they relate somuch to change, third there are people who see hollywood diversity bs as it is, fourth there are people who are homophobic, fifth, there are people who are forging the narrative, then last there are people who truely desires good representation. The problem is people think there are only 2 sides and this just makes things all the worse, there sre peopl who camplains for the sake of complaining, there people who uses those complaints to their criticisms and there are people who sees things asthey are but cannot really know who they are talking with on the other side of the screen, this topics arent meant to be discussed on social ,edia. It would only truely work and would knly really change something if its discussed jn real life.
@@drakephysecron6775 Thank you so much! This whole time I've been looking at threads trying to see what other people got out of it, but their arguments just ended in insults and childish shenanigans. Your comment basically highlights what I was trying to figure out and if there was more under the surface. Thanks for the explanation.
@@thelgiver5844 You know what's sad? Some comments that I read from a Spider Man: Miles Morales trailer called Miles black Peter Parker and called the game woke.
Piccolo and Buu from DBZ are biologically asexual because the don't need partners to reproduce. It's not a sexuality though, it's just how Majins and Namekians work.
In the Sherlock Holmes books he is explicitly stated as aro, and I think is ace too. "All emotions, and that one (love) particularly, were abhorrent to his cold, precise, balanced mind... as a lover he would have placed himself in a false position. He never spoke of the softer passions, save with a gibe and a sneer."
@@ProjektTaku You're under every comment pointing your finger and using some generalizing political word. You're just proving all of these right, don't you see? You obviously have no brains to spell or formulate arguments correctly, just spewing off shit like a grade schooler. Grow the fuck up and think for yourself
@@ProjektTaku Black police brutality is very real. Just as an example, a grown man shot on a car for black teenagers because "they were scaring him". He was the one with the gun and they didn't have any weapons. And gay people not being oppressed? Gay people get sentenced to die in 13 countries, simply for being gay. And by the way, that's one more country than where they're allowed to legally marry (in 12). Just a decade ago, it was prohibited around the world. Plus, just type into RUclips "Russians beat up a gay guy" and you see enough unfairness than you could ever blindly deny. Just type into Google in general "what are the human rights that gay people are missing" or "when did the black people optain the same rights as white people" For every movie with a gay person in it, I could tell you ten without one. Stop crying you noisy idiot
Well to be honest it is. The right stand for traditions and it is tradition (sadly) to hate da gays in a lot of countries. Therefore by showing lgbtq+ characters you’re telling the audience thay being gay is okay (what it is). A statement that’s more left leaning and finally therefore political.
@@rageman0329 im saying putting a gay character in a show, not real people. and im debatting shit im just saying that a lot of people on the right see a gay character as a statement.
@@jokehu7115 lgbtqa+ people exist in reality lol. And they’re everywhere. It’s not unrealistic or wrong to have them in shows and movies. It has no effect on you at all. The most it’ll do is make lgbt feel represented which is frankly a really great thing since most of us have just been cast out our entire lives
Reasons why there should be a bisexual Spider-Man: So they can make a "swing both ways" joke. There are probably other good reasons but that's the most important one.
@Carolina Hernandez im not saying they are shipped, im talking about when there is a hetero couple cramed into a storyline for usually the purpose of fan service and because they know it will help it sell. so nothing wrong with that? so there is nothing wrong with putting gay relationships in media just to make gay ppl happy.
@@에리치-b7j It's not usually crammed into a storyline for fanservice just cuz they're hetero. It's mostly done for marketing or because stuff has been building up for the series. It's just a forced relationship which has been done to gay or bi relationships in other media as well.
As someone who has Asperger's characters like entrapta gives me a character that I can actually relate to rather than how crap people treat people with autism in media
While these characters are not confirmed to be autistic, L, Near, and Mello from Death Note do seem to have some level of autism, or at least are neuroatypical. They have oddities like preferring to sit with feet on chairs, not being very socially adept, and having obsessive thinking. As someone who is diagnosed as slightly having aspergers, I found characters like L to be relatable and motivating as they still showcase intelligence and dignity in spite of their flaws.
Exactly I completely agree with you! Also I’m not attacking you here I just wanted to let you know, it’s probably best you don’t use the term Aspergers anymore as it’s an outdated term and no longer an actual disorder ( a lot of people find it antisemitic as the guy Hans Asperger was a n@zi eugenicist who used the “disorder” to determine if disabled people were able to live based on how “functional” they were) Not attacking you just in case you didn’t know (I was diagnosed with “Aspergers” as well, there’s no such thing as high functioning or low functioning just autism)
I’m black and I don’t like it when they change a characters race to black. I want original black characters, I want their identity to be their own. I hate the feeling that minority and LGBT characters can only get the sloppy seconds of main stream characters. Give us our own damn it. Plus I just think changing a characters race in general is pretty weird as it messes with iconography, if a characters look changes too much, it’s not even the same character anymore. Might as well make it a different character, would prefer it.
I partly agree with this? Because tbh personally it comes down to the genre for me. Like if it its fantasy, it doesnt really matter to me because the cultures, races, regions and religions are fictional so real world reflections dont really apply. Like... if a space pirate looked filipino (I'm filipino) while the rest of the crew were an assortment its cool since they dont truly share our real world experiences. If it's a real life setting then yeah theres definitely some iffy stuff there. But yeah straight up with our own character identities!
You know you can have both... right? You can have original characters and characters who are altered to represent a greater span of experiences. It really is okay. It doesn't have to be a rigid either/or.
@@OzinRoseCity I disagree, no matter what they will not be their own character, and always be a "black version" of the original. Look at April from rotmnt, different personality, look, and dynamic; could have been her own unique character that we could have seen in other turtles adaptations. Because she is tied to april she will forever be seen as "that time they made april black" instead of "that cool character from rotmnt" Because that is the character she is tied to. Even Miles (a character i like) is seen as Black spider-man. He is not his *own* super hero. You don't see Blade being called "Black Blade" It makes me feel like people can only accept black characters if their copying white people. That we don't deserved to be recognized for what we build for ourselves and only when we are given status by a white person are we validated. it further perpetuates the idea that white people are the "default race" That shit depresses me. Hell their about to do the same thing to spectrum in the MCU, making her a copy cat side kick of miss marvel, instead of her own independent character that had lead the avengers like she was in the comics.
I've watched a few clips of Riverdale but never watched the show wholly but in my opinion, the show is pretty boring. Sure, it can be a new twist from the comics, but I kinda doubt that the dark and bleak atmosphere fit the overall lighthearted and campy comic franchise about a group of teens spending their time together.
Well to be honest it is. The right stand for traditions and it is tradition (sadly) to hate da gays in a lot of countries. Therefore by showing lgbtq+ characters you’re telling the audience thay being gay is okay (what it is). A statement that’s more left leaning and finally therefore political.
No diversity can be done for political reasons, that doesnt mean diversity in of itself is political. Both can be true at the same time. Youd be disingenuous to not see that
@@behappy5869 true you can make a character however you like but changing a character sexuality in his third movie with no build up or hints that he was is pretty lazy writting and sounds more like a tag in than just a diverse character.
@@jokehu7115 I've literally never met a person who is both LGBTQ+ and cares about things like this without it also being lazy because the sexuality portrayed is using harmful stereotypes. I am deeply confused as to why anyone seems to think this is as important as it is. It seems to be the next way to say "Noncishets shouldn't be in media" without being outwardly homophobic.
@@jokehu7115 Honestly the only reason why this stuff is still considered political is because Hollywood writers refuse to do their job when writing minorities. They don’t want to actually represent these people, they’re just doing shitty damage control that ends up backfiring.
Diversity isnt hurting anyone or being political Its just people existing [Please dont fight in the replies] [Stop] [Seriously, stop arguing] [Omfg bro stop writing paragraphs] [Brooo I need yall to help me with my essay, yall be writing paragraphs on this 2 line comment-] [I was happy that I had a popular comment till I started reading the replies, yall serious, please stfu]
@@shroomer8294 so your argument is... you're uncomfortable with media showing more minority characters than you're used to where you live...? Fuckin... *grow up*, dude. 😑 Media is international, and needing to be represented as a constant, colorless majority to feel comfortable is peak obnoxious privilege.
@@shroomer8294 That bruh moment when diverse groups exist outside of your own environment. I think it's great that shows are starting to have more diverse casts with different ethnicities, sexualities, bodies, ect. Growing up, there weren't any characters that I could find that were similar to me at all, other than Dora the Explorer lmao. I felt like there had to be something off about me because all the characters on TV were white, straight, and conventionally attractive. It's silly, but it makes you feel bad especially when you're young and have bad self esteem. If there were any shows that showed more diversity (other than making fun of every fat character and stereotyping anyone who wasn't white) then I would've not had to feel bad for simply existing. It's great knowing that media is more diverse and that other people won't feel erased or outcasted. That's enough of my rant though lol. I know a lot of people felt the same as I did as a kid.
@@shroomer8294 I honestly agree because they deadass need to stop spoiling aspects of the show before we see it. Let me come into the show blind like that cool shit about to happen. If they have to XYZ before we even know how the plot is gonna be it's a red flag they're trying to pull off diversity and not off the quality of the plot itself. They about to do some cool shit with cool people that's fine now let the story bloom and let people accept it as they watch it. Do agree that sexuality is a need to know bases does it need screentime all the time, hell nah. I personally want to see more people just existing without sexuality thrown around because they just happen to be in the same room.
@Tim van der Oest dude wtf that first part is such a stretch. im not gonna touch anything else you said btt it “you do realize i can use the very logic youre using to make an argument against diversity right” is such a goddamn stretch omg. see the thing here is that someone who uses that reason to justify amounts of white ppl is a fucking idiot. not saying you are since ik u arent actually saying that but like. its a big difference to complain about DIVERSITY than to complain about AN ABUNDANCE OF WHITE PEOPLE. diversity isnt made to fit your exact area, anyway. diversity exists so people of minorities have someone positive to relate to and someone that positively represents them. so fucking what if the population of minorities isnt natural to where you live? i live in california and my school is literally packed to the brim with mainly hispanic people and black people. anyway respond ti this if you wanna but i wont respond. not to be in bad faith i just wont have the energy to
Yeah I'm not queer but I really enjoy seeing lgbtq people on screen because it just leads to more unique dynamics and stories. like im so tired of seeing the same types of people going through the same conflicts
That romcom assembly line aesthetic is why Hallmark channel is a thing and romcom movies are practically nonexistent, even when one rarely hits blockbuster gold.
Anyway, JK Rowling's handling of Black Hermoine pissed me off. As a black person who really enjoyed the books, I tried re-reading the books while imagining a black Hermoine but I couldn't?? Like she was written as white, even if it's a book series you can tell that's what JK had in mind. And ya know, if Rowling had said something like: "When I was writing the books I visualized Hermoine as a white girl. I am a white woman with immense privilege so I never tried the best I could to incorporate proper representation into my books. I now know that as an author diversity is important, especially in media geared towards younger audiences. Because of this, I am 100% ok with people who imagine my characters differently or have headcanons of them that divert from the source material. These characters are as much yours as they are mine." It could've been fine. Just be honest to your audience Joanne. EDIT: This isn't about the fact that Hermoine is black in Cursed Child/ in people's headcanons. I couldn't care less about the character's race, it doesn't add or remove anything from the franchise and theatre is theatre. I'm mad at JK Rowling for trying to get brownie points by making herself seem progressive or whatever without putting in the work to actually represent people. EDIT EDIT: Ya I'm trans so fuck Joanne, there's no way she'd actually admit to being wrong
And if hermione was black it would have been said literally EVERY time she was mentioned like it was with Lee Jordan, or Angelina Johnson, or Michael Corner
Maybe people compared it to Harry Potter (Magic school, evil guy treating the peace who is connected to the main protagonist, main trio, wise mentor guy etc.) But they have totally different characters and the story is easily different from Harry Potter's story. I can't deny that they are similar but haven't you wished to capture your love like you had for Harry Potter again but without being the same? Here you have a chance, with an amazing magic system, fantastic characters, fantastic creature's connected to magic, an underground school with boats as transport vehicles, captivating mysteries etc..
As a straight white male, I don't care if a character is gay, trans, etc. I just care if a character is authentic. Funnily enough, I find most American media inauthentic and generic, but that's just me.
"I hate having diverse characters in my cartoons! I miss when cartoons weren't political!" *any cartoon that's episodic and fun existing* "Ew! Why isn't this realistic?!" :|
Reminds me of that transfemme that talked about being bullied for writing a trans Harry Potter fic. The justification being: "Because of magic trans people wouldn't be a thing, since they could just magic themselves into being cis. Having trans people in that universe is unrealistic" And those cis people in fandom had agreed that trans people didn't exist in Harry Potter,which... is not how that works? Especially, when nonbinary people exist. Similarly, alot of people get upset by "female transformers" saying "Transfomers are robots they have no gender!" despite all of them being seen as men by default. That's kind of a running theme for any fictoinal race/character that's gender neutral.
@@prioritalpanic629 i know what you mean there is never pleasing the internet it usually follows this type of path that "why aren't you more realistic" or "why did you bend the knee" in a fantasy type story where the author decides what does and doesn't exist in the world they created honestly no one can tell a story now a days with out some one being mad about something being included or excluded
Me, a writer who writes a buff masculine man who happens to be bisexual: My mom who says she has no problems with LGBTQ: wHy DoEs hE LiKe a MaN YoU dOnT hAvE tO bE """WOKE"""
Diversity isnt forced, people just exist I am a bi autistic girl, my mother and stepfather are an interacial couple, my closest friend is a pan trans man, my sister's friends are Filipino and hispanic, my grandmother is friends with a lesbian couple None of us have to justify our existence and the existence of our friends, different people just exist, and I'm glad it's being reflected onto modern media instead of having only straight white men taking all the media pie.
Dude conservatives practically have their whole 2 brain cells pour out their ears when i say Im a mixed Afro-Latina lesbian from South America who is also an atheist, a witch and nd. They lose ittt
about pandering, Why its bad? They big corporations don't really care. They pander because its easy, they pander because its profitable and if it becomes not profitable to pander to a certain race or gender guess what happens. ruclips.net/video/bhI90v_ivU0/видео.html why did Disney shrink finn in the Chinese StarWars poster? They are just pandering to China right? you should be "offended" that Disney can just shrink Finn to "pander" to China. "should Disney ignore a group of people that exist and consume media" "so yeah they are appeasing china die mad there is nothing wrong with that ima play a a little sad song on the worlds smallest violin" as some would say. You want to be tolerant then this is okay.
@@LangkeeLongkee about pandering, Why its bad? They big corporations don't really care. They pander because its easy, they pander because its profitable and if it becomes not profitable to pander to a certain race or gender guess what happens. ruclips.net/video/bhI90v_ivU0/видео.html why did Disney shrink finn in the Chinese StarWars poster? They are just pandering to China right? you should be "offended" that Disney can just shrink Finn to "pander" to China. "should Disney ignore a group of people that exist and consume media" "so yeah they are appeasing china die mad there is nothing wrong with that ima play a a little sad song on the worlds smallest violin" as some would say. You want to be tolerant then this is okay.
People stay mad about men loving men but women loving on women is 1. Sexualized 2. Fetishsized 3. Men accept this and women deal with it. It's not right.
I don't know what you talking about, I know many woman who find gay men attractive but I also know men who are into lesbians, it's not a one way street.
So are you just gonna ignore the fact that gay men are also sexualized and fetishized? Some other men such as myself aren't a fan of yaoi and we also have to deal with others who assume us to be homophobic, like are you trying to conform us into watching guys making out? Respect our, and everyone's, disinterests please, I was heavily disturbed when I got clickbaited into guys doing disgusting shit to each other.
@@red_dulge I think they're calling you homophobic for other reasons mate. Protip might have sum to do with you calling what gay men do with one another "disgusting ish" I could be wronf though feel free to correct me.
@@LangkeeLongkee I explained why but RUclips deleted it, but it's simply about men's fists inside butts and the flesh inside pulled out. I accept men being romantic with other men, just not sexually. This is why I choose lesbian love, we all have our fetishes we like and we don't like. Concept of preference.
@@red_dulge as a member of the lesbian deligation: Fnck you. ❤ We dont want you. Get back and get away. Youre not allowed to have preferences for other people's sexuality. Thats not a preference. Its bigotry. You have a f3tish for lesbians sir. And thats gross. We dont like that. Funfact: thats called rose budding and people of all sexualities and genders do it. I do think its freakin gross, but Im not targetting a marginalized group for doing it am I? You are. 2nd Fun Fact: if gay men gross you out but you have a preference for lesbians youre a homophobe. Lol I dunno why I try with yall if multiple people say you are a bigot, especially if those people are members of the group they claim you offend, listen to them. It is not your place to tell us what constitutes as bigotry towards us. It really isnt. And theyre right. You are homophobic. Fix that.
Damn you're good at this lol. It's true: Representation is not pandering, nor is it a political choice to have LGBT characters in your media. Are there some creators who queerbait? Sure, but that's not 100% of them. People who complain about this stuff always pick the wrong targets.
@ALLAN LOUIS JEUNE Well by pandering in this instance I just mean like "here is a cool thing like a new power up or a form", not necessarily "here is a gay character who will never appear again".
@ALLAN LOUIS JEUNE the three different actors represent different spider men/Peter Parkers. The upcoming MCU multiverse events (the next doctor strange movie) will likely involve them all if briefly. Also, any one of them could be bisexual or pansexual because men who date and marry women and are still attracted to men (and the various other genders and sexes) exist. If you don't understand that maybe you should be asking more questions of reliable sources on the subject and making less ignorant statements about it.
I've said it once, i've said it a million times. If you're going to represent, then go ahead. Just make them an *actual character.* Don't make the representative trait ridiculously important to their character identity, or worse, the *only* part of their character that stands out, lest you run the risk of it feeling like it is shoved in your face a ton to the point where it feels like flanderization and inevitably becomes distasteful. This does *not,* however, mean that said representative trait can't be part of the story in some way. Case in point: Wainwright Jakobs from Borderlands 3. He's a gay man, and at one point, you have to rescue his fiancee, Sir Hammerlock, a returning character from Borderlands 2, to progress the story. However, him being gay is not the core of his character identity. Arguably, two of the defining moments about him are when he kills a bunch of baddies when you first meet him, and again when he shoots at one of the main villains of the story, calls him "ratboy," and taunts him all while escaping him. How do people see him? Badass with a shotgun, humble in his own sense, and quick-witted with a sharp tongue. As a straight guy, I consider him one of the best characters in the game. Or, as your thumbnail shows, Miles Morales. The core pillars of his character all relate to his personality - not his skin tone. We know him as a kid who's more intelligent than he thinks he is, somewhat awkward, a little bit of a delinquent but has a good heart, and highly emotionally sensitive, NOT "Black kid who's also spiderman." Arguably, even him becoming Spider-man is a secondary trait, serving mostly to drive his character arc forward. And, to put it bluntly, just let people make what they want to make. Don't be against representation, but at the same time, don't go bashing people for stuff that isn't PC. Let creatives be creative.
Nah, there's nothing wrong with a character's sexuality or gender or whatever being an important part of their character. People hold up "casual" rep like this all the time, and while personally I enjoy that shit too, stories about a gay kid coming to terms with their sexuality, (or something like The Hate U Give that focuses on police brutality and the issues of black people) are also perfectly good rep. They've both got a time and a place, just as long as neither one makes the characterization entirely their identity (by which I mean: just all stereotypes)
@@maevem316 That's... what I said... Once again, if you want to make it part of their character, that's fine. Just make sure to have them be a well balanced character. By "ridiculously important," what I mean is that there may be other pillars, but the representative trait seems to overpower the others. The same goes fore every character trait in general. If you have one of the pillars seem to overpower the others, your character has a high risk of seeming flat, with the other pillars seeming like afterthoughts. I did say that there was no reason the representative trait couldn't drive the main story along.
@Carolina Hernandez I really couldn’t care less if the character was remade and their sexuality, body type, or race was changed in a remake of a show, if the character is an alternate version of a pre-existing character with a different sexuality, race, etc, or if the character is completely original. It’s still good representation as long as it doesn’t promote harmful stereotypes.
about pandering, Why its bad? They big corporations don't really care. They pander because its easy, they pander because its profitable and if it becomes not profitable to pander to a certain race or gender guess what happens. ruclips.net/video/bhI90v_ivU0/видео.html why did Disney shrink finn in the Chinese StarWars poster? They are just pandering to China right? you should be "offended" that Disney can just shrink Finn to "pander" to China. "should Disney ignore a group of people that exist and consume media" "so yeah they are appeasing china die mad there is nothing wrong with that ima play a a little sad song on the worlds smallest violin" as some would say. You want to be tolerant then this is okay.
as a POC I always feel odd because I've never had a problem relating to straight, white neurotypical characters. Matter of fact my favorite character in any sorta fiction ever is Kiryu Kazuma from the Yakuza games. 6 foot, lean, Japanese man and I've never related to a character so much. I am in no way arguing against adding different people in fiction. I just never got how skin color, gender, sexuality stopped people from relating or feeling out of place. Afro Samurai, a black man, but his skin color had no part in helping me relate to him, it was his actions and personality that did. I won't argue for less diversity, cause it's just more appealing to not see the same thing but at times I feel some writers use it to compensate for lack of character depth. It's not everything that has come out but it sure does happen.
Honestly same. I love seeing characters that match my gender and sexuality and wish there'd been some in the shows I watched as a kid, but I never *had* to match a characters race, sexuality, or gender to relate to them, and I never understand why some people apparently do. It's a really great feeling to be able to share similar experiences with characters, but those experiences have never been limited to just someone's race, gender, or sexuality.
I personally want to see different people because as a black person I am tired of the typical "struggle" black content uses. Diversity as a means to an end. Don't pigeonhole your own story trying to appeal to everybody. Find what works and make it work, it's like cooking you can eat steak and strawberry ice cream. Yet you wouldn't want that ice cream on your steak. Just make the narrative work if you have some "diverse" shit in there good. Also another problem they do is spoil the damn "diverse" aspect be telling romance plot aspects before the show is even seen. Again personally I want them to NOT use romance for once and see what they can do.
I completely agree, as a white male I’ve found so many characters that were male and female, white or not, gay or strait, that I relate with in so many ways that I see myself in them. My problem is characters written TO be gay or TO be black, etc. when you can make a good compelling character who is a minority of some kind. Ripley from Alien is a bad ass scientist who is also a woman, Falcon is a patriotic hero who happens to be a POC, Marcie is a bad ass vampire musician who happens to be bisexual. My issue I think comes from a character who’s core characteristic is to be a minority because it seems very disingenuous imo.
for me, i felt the same way, but i think that's partially because i HAD to emphasize with people who werent like me because... there just wasnt anyone who actually looked like me. and then i meet white ppl who are like "i cant watch shows with black people in it because i cant connect to the story" and im like.... there is not even one human element to the story you can connect to? i have to spend my whole life emphasizing with your existence but you cant connect on ANY level???????? none?
Writers are reluctant to write neurodivergent because unless they have some INCREDIBLY THOROUGH UNDERSTANDING OF IT which most writers don't, they are going to get criticized for writing "inaccurately" or something similar. Most writers don't have good understandings of neuroatypical people because they don't know enough people with any one given condition, and most if not all writers aren't psychologists who would have studied this stuff or come into close proximity with neurodivergent people. That's why the most you see are more common neurodivergence--anxiety and depression, ADHD, less-extreme autism, PTSD, OCD, *maybe* bipolar, though most "bipolar" characters aren't well-written, hence why writers are reluctant to try. Things like schizophrenia, more hard-leaning autism, asperger's syndrome--these ones writers shy away from or are routinely criticized for writing them because they don't write them well and either misrepresent their symptoms or just misrepresent them as people. We need to gain a better understanding of mental health and the differences between neurodivergent conditions before we can expect to see more neurodivergent characters.
@@randomperson8571 Thing is I feel like a lot of this also comes down to not treating neurodivergent people as their own people instead of a list of symptoms. Personally the best way to write it that I’ve noticed is to just write a character with these traits and let people put it together and then confirm it if everyone is in agreement. That’s what I’ve found the most productive, Entrapta is the best example for this. Like give them other traits besides being neurodivergent and your set
@@randomperson8571 youre inaccurate about a few things neurodivergencies arent mental illnesses. Depression and other mood disorders are not neurodivergencies, the only thing that is would be anxiety because anxiety is an umbrella term. Thats 1. 2, you see characters with all those disorders??? Where???? Gimme!!! And 3, TJ from Andi Mack is dsycalculic and gay. Love him.
@@randomperson8571 That lack of storytelling experience could be said about many facets of life, especially when bound to studio politics and finances. Even Coppola was reluctant to do The Godfather until he was convinced that other potential directors would portray Italian Americans in a singularly negative light.
@@randomperson8571 Someone already mentioned it but mental disorders are not neurodivergence. Mental disorders can be remedied, cognitive disorders and personality disorders cannot and are therefore neurodivergence. Also saying things like "more extreme autism" and "hard leaning autism" comes off in a weird way. It stigmatizes the idea that only lower functioning autism is "real" autism. Yes there is a spectrum and lower functioning obviously need the most assistance and understanding, but higher functioning autistic people still face a lot of the same issues and still don't have their representation either. Asperger's is also catergorizes closer to higher functioning than lower functioning by the way, that is why they added it to the ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder)
Dudes be like: "wHY ArE gaY peOPLe oNLy HAvE gAy As thEIr OnE PerSONalItY TrAiT!!!?!???" Then get mad when "the gay character" in the show happens to be the main character and has a complex personality. Damn can't believe I used to be one of those people, glad I started to consume more diverse opinions.
If you say The Last of Us people were mad abt 2 guys living happily during apocalyps bc they were gay? The way their relationship was perfectly protrayed but people just decided to show their homophobia
People: “Quit whining about ‘representation’ y’all are just sensitive” Also people: *”yOu CaN’t mAKe ThEm gAaaAYyyy tHatS IllgEAl sTop DoinG ThAT, Waaaaah!!!!”*
Well you see, this character is from a different universe and has the ability to destroy world and fight god while turning time around. But they like dicks AND vag? Yeah I find this unrealistic all of a sudden
You don't get it. Puritans whine about representation, and then try to force representation where it doesn't make sense. AND THEY DON'T EVEN SUPPORT THE CONTENT AFTER THEY CHANGE IT!
It's basically putting your political beliefs in to a media/work that is unnecessary. Ex: say if an artist is well known for their drawings of music artists, and all of a sudden they started putting hate symbols in their, but the work itself has nothing to do with that political belief. At worst it can be annoying.
@@thundercatvstheworld1855 I know now but back then it was thrown around so much by every RUclips channel making videos on how Marvel was shoehorning politics in their comics that the meaning was completely lost on me and it really just became another buzzword like SJW
there are shows with lgbtq+ representation that are censored, manipulated, or just banned in other places. Sailor Uranus and Neptune were turned cousins, Russia made Ruby from SU a hairy dude, Elsa in Frozen 2 was getting called a lesbian for practically nothing, etc. I think we're allowed to make characters gay...
Okay but why do people actually think that elsa's lesbian lmao. I don't think Elsa has even been shown to have any romantic interest at all throughout the whole franchise.
@@qwertydavid8070 She was single and people hopped to the conclusion that because she showed no interest in men that she was gay. Made zero sense since my line of thinking is that if nothing is confirmed one way or the other then a character can't definitively be called something just yet.
I dont like tthe "diversity movement" ptaht is beung firced on us, but miles is a good example of a well written chratcer, honestly i dont think of him as oart of diversity, just his own character, was anyome really alsty about him?
@@drakephysecron6775 Oof. Well I have bad news for you. Unfortunately diversity exists in real life. It's not being "forced" upon anyone. Media is just starting to accurately represent how the world looks. And yes, it is in fact possible to have characters who are well written and also contribute to diversity. Pretty funny that nobody ever gives any examples of the apparent "poorly written forced diversity characters" btw...
@@drakephysecron6775 the only thing people don't like about him is that he is a spider man. Not another hero. And this problem goes on and on in comics
Younger me watching AOT and seeing Ymir’s love letter to Histora gave me the courage to come out to me friend. I know it’s cheesy but seeing that little bit of representation made me feel so great and made me realize that I’m not alone, I loved both of the characters and I remember breaking down after watching it. I hate when people make other peoples existence political. You don’t walk up to a POC or gay person on the street and say “wow no need to get all political on me existing like that”
I think this video hits the nail on the head; diversity isn't political, it's real life, and it's not strange or odd to make characters in fiction be reflective of real life. There's a fine difference between representation and just tokenism, but so long as being a minority isn't their main/only personality trait, I don't see a problem. My biggest pet peeve is people asking "why do they have to be X?" Why not?; they don't need a reason to be X, they just are (just as people in real life are).
People having an issue with old characters being rebooted differently is fair, but I do think the loudest complainers are coming at it through bigotry. I would rather see under represented groups get their own fresh franchises built for them with them in mind than all these reboots of beloved properties get rebooted. Exception would be with the comic universes like DC and Marvel because that's an element already built into the framework through different universes and constantly different character designs.
Yeah I'd love to see stuff focused on the forgotten heroes and villains in Marvel/DC. Seeing John Stewart (one of 2 black green lanterns) in the Justice League was really cool and honestly all the other small heroes like Vigilante, Star girl, Mister Terrific ect. The Justice League and Teen Titan shows were really cool for seeing all those side characters you never see outside comics.
But to the alt-wrongs, there's no winning for losing. Anyone new would just be regarded as "not as good enough" or even the slightest "carbon copy" of their beloved, and then seen as an attack of that which they've co-opted and aggrandized to be correct (unknowingly politically). Those whiners always want to be the center of attention, just like all children.
@@ProjektTaku like I said, there's multi verses in both major comics DC and Marvel. They change everything about the characters from gender, to names, backstory and race through the years. Just being true to the source material you can't actually dismiss wholesale like that. Plus those projects can stand alone like the 2019 Joker. I'd love to see them adapt the Batman universe where Bruce dies and his mother and father become the Joker and Batman respectively, that would be a fvcking dope and it's a different universe anyway, so their race doesn't matter to me.
I agree with you but considering how movies attempt to come off as "the" main universe like the MCU the movie goers might take that as an attempt to replace the character(s) they grew up as the new official version. That's where I see spiderverse getting it right because they come out the gate showing both visually, narritavely, and in every other way possible that this is a new story that isn't against even rewriting bits and pieces of even Miles' own story. If more movies could be like that, showing a film that is clearly their version of a franchise and not just a simple reboot where they make only small and seemingly unaffecting changes that do nothing. Take making Peter Parker Bi, is he just Bi to be Bi so they don't have to use MJ or is this aspect about himself going to lead to new narrative beats in his story? Will he meet Gwen Stacy, will he have fallen in love Harry Osborn? So many possibilities possible but most of the time this change serves no other purpose besides a writer's desire when they think "this character isn't (insert adjective here) enough, let's change that."
The best part about the quartering's "she ra is woke garbage" video is that he doesn't even have an argument. He scrolls through Twitter for 9 minutes because the show wasn't even out yet. I HATE that guy. 😠
Same, he’s literally the typical “anti-sjw” who just hates anything inclusive. Also he has this awful Parasite rant that literally feels like he just hate Asians, and this is coming from me, who’s in fact an Asian 😑
Personally, I think any so called “straight” character can be revealed to be bisexual later. I don’t know why people think that it’s retconning. It’s just something new.
Yeah, as long as it's handled nicely, it's pretty realistic too. I had no idea I was bi until I was in 8th-9th grade, and some people find out much later than that!
Someone who is straight for a vast majority of their life isn't suddenly gonna like the same gender. After a certain point in your life you've usually are set in your ways. Peter( an example ) who has never ONCE shown homosexual tendency is suddenly attracted to guys? Even in real life I'd find that too drastic a change. There'd have to be some major trigger to warrant such a change in character. Mind you this Peter(MCU) still hasn't shown any homosexual tendencies so it'd be weird that he suddenly was interested in dudes when there hasn't been any prior hints that that is the case. No one really cares if someone is gay as long as it's not the only thing that the character is about. However that's usually how the media handles it they just show how gay the character is and nothing more.
@@tigeruntamed6036 Have you ever heard of heteroflexible? Not to mention in the MCU, given the blip, he is still a teenager and plenty of people don’t figure out their sexuality until college. Some people don’t understand there sexuality until there 40s. It’s not a big deal.
"Gay relationships might make the kids think they're gay" Well this is a good point, I saw so many straight relationships and thought I was straight for so long!
just yesterday i saw a tik tok asking “when was the time you realised you weren’t ugly and just black in a predominantly white school/area?” *representation matters*
@@strangereactions6 When I was in 4th grade I asked a girl out and she said "my mom said I can't date black boys" That's when I realized why I got rejected so much. Not because I was ugly, but I because I was of different ethnicity than she was. I was answering the question from the tiktok.
I always find it funny that the characters people like to throw a fit over the most getting a sexuality change (cannon or headcannon) are usually never confirmed heterosexual? like they could very easily be bisexual, pansexual, etc. Like there are the rare exceptions that actually confirm it but it's fairly rare for a character to declare that they only like the opposite gender/sex
Its because many people are hetero, and when you relate to a character for so long then tehy suddenly just change it into something you don't understand, it instantly breaks the conection, making us hate the authors and then, as we are in social media, with no real stakes in opinions and no real concessions, the bitterness that some of us have will leak inti others and create the issue and those on the other side will fight back and as it cycles it just became larger and larger, until this diversity movement essentially became a political movemnt. Look at im not starfire, first the fans assume the worst about the comic because of the bitterness, amd the signs of its being woke, then the author fought back, insulting those who insulkted her and even those who are real fans, then it escalates to the release where every people taht wants to shit on it, were mostly proven right with the addition of the writer seemingly shitting on the original starfire, when jts just bad, not the worse, its just bland, and then this just continues on and on and everyone who doesnt really follow just shuts in the diversity mivement because its seemingly just a bad mivement that wants to take evry bit of happiness the fans has fromthem. Then we all die from wars them teh end
That's why i loved the gay reveal at the end of Paranorman: the big dumb jock is a total stereotypical "Jock" stock character and has the hot cheerleader crushing on him through the whole movie, to which he's completely oblivious and ignores, and when she finally asks him out he says he'd love to see a movie with her since his boyfriend loves chick flicks.
People: "Why can't you just make original characters!" Star Wars: *Casts John Boyega as male lead that is an original character* Star Wars fans: *responds with racism* *Chinese posters of TFO purposefully leave out Boyega's character *After TFO, Boyega's character was gradually sidelined throughout the series* John Boyega: "I don't think I could ever work on anything Star Wars/Disney related again" Some Star Wars fans: "Imagine being *that* ungrateful"
Nah that whole situation had me livid Like we have faster than light travel but the black dude is out of place Hell realism only comes up to say some group shouldnt exist But lukes pale ass going around uncovered on a planet with 2 suns and neither tanning nor burning is aye okay
Well to be honest it is. The right stand for traditions and it is tradition (sadly) to hate da gays in a lot of countries. Therefore by showing lgbtq+ characters you’re telling the audience thay being gay is okay (what it is). A statement that’s more left leaning and finally therefore political.
@@jokehu7115 Regardless of if people think being gay is okay or not, the inclusion of gay people in media isnt political, some people just want it to be.
It also shouldnt be something studios shouldn't do just so they can pat themselves on the back. But that's how they use it. Every time a show is "diverse" the studio acts like is some revolutionary idea. It's not.
But you shouldn't need someone to look exactly like you to feel seen. I see myself in the original wally west because I like to joke a lot, and that I feel that I have to live up to something or someone but I'm not white, or a red head. I also see myself in mikey from tmnt but I'm not a mutant turtle
As a bisexual POC, I agree. Diversity is a good thing but the mainstream media writing bad stories that happen to also be diverse makes it look like diversity is a bad thing and silences writers who happen to be “diverse.” It repels people from diverse stories that happen to be good
@@reeree3032 about pandering, Why its bad? They big corporations don't really care. They pander because its easy, they pander because its profitable and if it becomes not profitable to pander to a certain race or gender guess what happens. ruclips.net/video/bhI90v_ivU0/видео.html why did Disney shrink finn in the Chinese StarWars poster? They are just pandering to China right? you should be "offended" that Disney can just shrink Finn to "pander" to China. "should Disney ignore a group of people that exist and consume media" "so yeah they are appeasing china die mad there is nothing wrong with that ima play a a little sad song on the worlds smallest violin" as some would say. You want to be tolerant then this is okay. If its not a selling point what is it? Evil
“tHeY cHaNgEd ThE sExUaLiTy Of ThE cHaRaCtErS” Do people realize that bisexuals exist? You know, people that like MEN and WOMEN who have their own PREFERENCES?!?
Bisexuals arent real, they were only invented by liberals so they could have straight politicians pretend to be gay and get more gay votes and sell more rainbow flags. Just like birds they're just a conspiracy fabricated by the government.
His name definitely sounds like a Harry Potter character's. "The Slytherin student, Freddie Mercury." xD He certainly had a wild imagination, that Farrokh Bulsara.
"Appease the gays" LOL WHY DOES THIS PHRASE MAKE IT SOUND LIKE PEOPLE ARE SCARED OF THE GAYS™?? I'M JUST IMAGINING SOMEONE GOING "Oh no!! We need to appease the gays cause if they won't they'll smite us :oooo" NOW LOLOLOLOL Btw great video. I completely agree with all of your points.
Well it's because they're the majority historically assuming we're talking about the United States. So the media sells to the majority where they can profit.
@Darling Vexa Art sorry but they treated the old voice actors like shit, didn't give the old creator a proper respect after he died and use his name to promote the show yeah I'm not sad for dislike this.
People don't pop out knowing they're gay, it's sometime in there teens or later that they realize that about them selves, so don't get mad about a character coming out as gay mid-show is fine. If you really wanna do that, maybe you can wright a coming out arch for that character. THAT WOULD BE SO COOL! GOD DAMMIT, WHERE IS MY COMING OUT ARHC!
This! Literally Had A Friend Realize She Was Trans Recently And She Was 17 And I Realized I Was Asexual At 16. Idenify Takes A Long Time To Figure Out, Espically If Your From A Conserstive Place
they be so quick to point out the one gay or black character as "too much" representation but dont bat an eye at the hundreds of white characters that we've been stuck with for decades
@@bumblebee924 about me?I'm not even from there .-. The MAJORITY of movies are made in USA.And at least I'm not bitch1ng about people of my country in movies because of "representation".
@@andruspolanco6935 but let’s be honest, it’s fiction so honestly whether there are ‘too many black people’ or ‘too many gay people’ honestly shouldn’t matter. Not to mention that most of these movies take place in completely fictional universes with fantasy elements, you’re telling me a giant monster destroying the entire world, a giant dragon, magic sword fights or massive space battles are realistic enough but having POC outnumber white people isn’t? (Also considering the fact that POC literally vastly outnumber white people globally anyway??). Even when the USA makes films that take place in a realistic setting OUTSIDE of the USA (in Asian and African countries), they always seem to be centred around white people, never the actual native people to that land/ country which is really iffy. With that being said, the film industry being so USA centric isn’t actually a very good thing either (I’m not from the USA either) it’s honestly really boring getting the same Americanised bullshit with barely any variety.
Exactly, my existence as a person of color should not be seen as "political" or an attempt to be "woke". That's fuckin insulting. We exist and we have the right to participate and be represented in the media like everyone else.
ok then make your own media or ones depicting your own instead of shoving yourselves into places where you don’t fit, there’s your representation, a win-win for everyone, what do you think? Nuke america and your subhuman abominations off the face of this earth
a lot of people don’t realise that almost everything in the media is influenced by politics in some way. having a show where 99% of the cast is cishet, white and able-bodied is influenced by politics. that doesn’t mean it was consciously made with an agenda, but it’s influenced by politics. so when people complain about lgbt+ characters, black or brown or asian characters, disabled characters, jewish or Muslim characters, etc, because it’s too “political”, they’re just being a hypocrite.
@@ProjektTaku how are we forcing you? You consciously chose the movie you're watching. But having any other rcharacter be something besides a white cis man isnt political it's real life
My favorite is when it's a medievalish fantasy stories, and they complain about non-white people being "not historically accurate", when a) it's fantasy, b) there have been vast trade networks and full-on empires across all of Afro-Eurasia for *millennia* and c) none of those people complain about potatoes (or corn or chocolate or pumpkins) existing in those same settings, even though those 100% DID NOT come to Europe until after 1492. It is far, far, FAR more realistic to have a brown or black person wandering around any random remote English village in 1300 than that same village having vast cornfields. The former would be unlikely, sure, but the latter would be impossible.
I feel that many people when discussing a sexuality change forget that bi/pan people exist. And I also feel like it’d be a missed opportunity of a modern show/movie to explore closeted characters.
@@idk-ye7ur ooh, not new! Pan actual is a word for bread! My fave is pan de sal. Next to it is pan de coco which has coconut shavings as filling. Funny how you guessed!
I think that people shouldn’t be freaking out for or against representation in media. What I mean is that this really shouldn’t be a fight. The race and sexuality of a character is based what story wants to be told, and a story isn’t worse or ruined based on the characters skin color or gender or sexuality, white or black, gay or straight. He is right for acknowledging the rectonning in Harry Potter as an example of ruining a story for the sake of looking like a better person. This shit should add to the story and not outright ruin it.
Honestly I always thought about how being black needs to be full on focus of a character instead of just be out there being them. Life isn’t so well child of destiny you know sometimes you just want to live. Edit: Not saying there’s anything wrong with that focus but I think it helps to normalize through just existing without much emphasis and well exaggeration.
yo this video almost made me cry. I always see people who hate on shows because they are "too woke" or "sjw bullshit" and some of those are like my favourite shows. It's nice to see youtubers who actually have the brain cells to spare the fact that lgbtq and literally any form of representation is a good thing. Also, it was very funny, so thank you.
@@alastor-yw7og exactly. I don’t care if you make a character gay or trans. Just don’t A: Make that their entire personality and character and B: Do it only to pander
True and to mention the anti-sjws i don't think we should outright not show those kind of people to either and i think both sides need to understand about real diversity and the group's that are part of it
For me, as long as it isn't their only character trait, they're well written, and they fit in the world, I couldn't care less if they're gay, bi, black, asian, female, etc. Again, me personally, I get a bit annoyed when someone takes a character, a fully established character with years of history, and tries to change them. Either set it in an alternate universe, or make a brand new character in that continuum, like Miles Morales and Sam Wilson. Also, at least 2 Greek heroes that were at the very least bi. Heracles and Achilles. In the Greek mind, what was more manly than one man? 2!
I agree but I feel that diversity also shouldn' t be used as a selling point. The product comes first above all else. Wright a character that happens to be a POC.
@@jokehu7115 I couldn’t agree more, just make a new Spider-Man like they did with miles morales when they wanted a black Spider-Man, that way everyone gets what they want and no character had to be fundamentally changed to fit a selling point.
@@JULIDINHO I mean, Miles Morales proves that multiple Spider-Men can exist in the same world, so it's perfectly reasonable that one of the people that gets bit happens to be gay.
@@charliekahn4205 I think the point was making PETER gay without any buildup wouldn't be good. Plus the whole point of spider verse was that anyone can be spiderman as long as you do the right thing. So a gay spider-man isn't to far fetched.
My only problem with gay characters is the producers not giving them any personality besides gay character like you could at least give them a love story that makes them feel like a person like steven universe was good because it wasnt just gay space rocks they were gay yes but they had character feelings and personality
@@ollDeadfishllo I heard a theory that because it's shows targeted at kids, they have to tell their best to tell mature stories in the most friendly way possible. Like instead of being on the nose they gotta write concepts of depression, body confidence, PTSD into metaphors and scenarios kids can understand. Again mentioning steven universe, when talking about handling anxiety they used butterflies and fusion to deliver the message of moving through your emotions. They have to put a lot of effort into writing something meaningful and hopefully educational, which often makes the final product better handled than a lot of adult stories.
@@kingsaracoon9594 Also A Lot Of LGBT People Are Artistic And Creative So Quite A Few People Who Work On Cartoon Know How To Write Gay Characters Compared To Shows With Actors And Actresses
The fact that there are 23 MCU movies and counting and there isn’t a SINGLE gay character is horrible. Not one gay character in the entire marvel cinematic universe and there is a rumor about ONE gay character and suddenly it’s pandering to an audience. Shits so funny
I kinda wish shows and movies would show more gay relationships- Like both gay and lesbian relationships are valid of course but it just comes off as weird to me that there are more lesbian representation than gay representation. I feel like it would balance it out and show that guys can like other guys- I'm horrible at explaining things so I hope I didn't come off as weird or offensive- qwq
tbh lesbian rep is a double edged sword bc lots of times it's for men to just "lesbians hot lol", but damn it I also want a mlm equivalent to the first time I saw genuine wlw rep because I happy cried and I hope mlm get that someday too (and ofc for bi people, trans people, etc)
Have you ever seen 13 reasons why ? By season 4 over half of the cast is gay. It's not a bad thing just very noticeable that all the male characters excep the main character, the guy dating the feminist and the main jock character are gay, in the main cast that is.
![YoungBoy Never Broke Again - Sneaking [Official Video]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/1ILUps2zDFU/mqdefault.jpg)
I am TRANSRACE!
ggs
pog
How many genders can a trans person trans into?
Why was the first thing I thought of when seeing this: "JoJo, I reject my nigganity!"
@@clearcontentment3695 34 and every-time someone complains about it we add one
"Is it easier for people to believe in magic than gay people?"
Asking the right questions
is it bad that I'm brown?
@@ProjektTaku is it bad i like both genders?
@@zin724 not really
@@zin724 hello fellow Bisexual
@@AnarchoTak *fboy*
"I wasn't even bi yet nigga, I was just lame" I know that shouldn't have been the thing that stood out but that had me HOWLING.
Same
I hate blm and the alphabet community
@@ProjektTaku then why the fuck r u here. 👋👋👋
@@ClaireMakesVids so I could tell you morons how dumb you are
@@ProjektTaku lmao the only dumb one here is you
"bisexual people exist."
"ormaybeidont"
I mean mood honestly
Hol up lemme just ✨cease✨ to exist
I just wanna say I love your profile picture paired up with your username
But we don't. In fiction, if a girl character who had a relationship ship with a man falls in love with a girl, that means she's now gay. (I have legitimately seen people call marceline gay (not as an umbrella term, as in the gay) becuase she dates a girl now. Like bitch you serious? She can be bi, pan, she can be a sexuality that I don't know/remember right now but she ain't gay or straight) like, no that's not how it works. That's not how ANY of that works.
“mr stark i don’t feel so good”
yall ugly **evaporates in a puff of smoke**
It's funny how, when shown a left-handed character, bigots will be like "oh, cool! I'm left handed too, it's neat to see people like me!" and then refuse to acknowledge that same logic for any other qualities of a character
about pandering, Why its bad? They big corporations don't really care. They pander because its easy, they pander because its profitable and if it becomes not profitable to pander to a certain race or gender guess what happens. ruclips.net/video/bhI90v_ivU0/видео.html why did Disney shrink finn in the Chinese StarWars poster? They are just pandering to China right? you should be "offended" that Disney can just shrink Finn to "pander" to China.
"should Disney ignore a group of people that exist and consume media" "so yeah they are appeasing china die mad there is nothing wrong with that ima play a a little sad song on the worlds smallest violin" as some would say. You want to be tolerant then this is okay.
I don't think left handed people are removed though if a culture like right handed people.
@@mesaplayer9636 what the fuck are you talking about
@@tinyetoile5503 you are saying that people are fine with seeing and relating to someone being left handed but have a problem when it comes to gender race size etc, but shows are not going around changing their characters from being right to left handed to be inclusive. New characters are made to be left handed why is that not the same to these other attributes. The majority of people are fine with making new character to be inclusive but changing an already existing character to be inclusive is helpful to no one. In the situation I mentioned in my first comment big companies only care about the audiance as long as it's profitable. If they were to bring an American inclusive show to china you bet they will be making some changes to the characters to make them more relatable to the Chinese audiance.
@@tinyetoile5503 if a film producer wants to be inclusive and relatable they better be making new characters to be inclusive because if they take the route of changing their already existing characters, they can change their characters back depending on who is watching.
@@mesaplayer9636 OK well my comment had literally nothing to do about any of that, except observing a double standard, so IDK why you're talking about that in my replies
People are annoyed that Spider-Man might have a boyfriend when there have been official comics where Mary Jane is a lesbian in a different universe for years
Edit: I meant this as in “people are annoyed about a gay Spider-Man when there is already a gay Spider-Man”
Double standards in a nutshell
“It’s hot when girls do it”
Some guy said that aloud in my class one day when talking abt gay people and got chewed out by the teacher so I guess that has something to do with it.
I think it’s more that people dont like it that mcu spiderman is gay, sinds it seems like it’s more of a tag on. There was build up or hints he was gay seems a bit of to me honestly
because fetishization of lesbians
@@jokehu7115 Couldn't he be bi? There's no reason he couldn't be primarily interested in women but also be bisexual
EXISTING shouldn’t be a controversial political statement. That should be common sense, jesus.
Preach dude
common sense is a stupid term, and your existence is pointless and everyone doesnt have to care about it or accept it
@@magicman6376 people dont have to care and deal with idiots using it as a character trait
@@lordhallibel3604 Fuck off sociopath!
"BISEXUAL PEOPLE EXIST!"
**cuts to a photo of him, and he fades out, leaving only the background**
"Or maybe I don't..."
This is the greatest bit of all time
Being Bi must kind of suck in terms of discrimination. I've heard that bi people have historically faced discrimination even from within the larger LGBTQ+ community. I met a guy once who had been a gay and later bi porn star and some actors and actresses wouldnt even work with him since the men only worked with gay men and the women only worked with straight men. I bet the fun of bi orgies help make up for the discrimination though (assuming you have the planning skills necessary to arrange for a bisexual Bacchanalia).
"is it easier to believe in mAgIC than gAy pEopLe?!" Homie you've officially become my favorite youtuber. That's it, that's the tweet.
Love that you included native people, as a NA woman, we are criminally underrepresented in modern media.
Yes you are boooo!
We see you, we hear you, and we’re gonna help lift you ♥️
as a half native and half black latina (mestiza) i feel you, the only indigenous rep i can remember i had growing up was pocahontas and honestly disney fucked it up, i was always obsessed with all disney princesses except for her... the movies just didn't feel right and later i found out how they got inspo from a real story and romanticized rape/genocide
@@villanellexx The pocahontas movie was a mistake and should never have existed.
@@LangkeeLongkee i agree, it was awful
Pride month: Ends*
Most brands: My friendship with LGBTQ+ has ended
Most brands the next year: We have always believed in LGBT rights.
Only to restart again in June of next year LOL
Omg this reminds me of how so many people got pissed that in June, the Xbox profile pic was made rainbow
@@katherine_queen5294 gay xbox
Bottom text
Every companies profile picture after pride month 🌈 ➡ ◽
"The Spider-verse is fucking weird." Would you believe me that it gets weirder?
Punk-Spider?
@@chrisrockett5897 Spiderham line from the movie, bud, but yeah, Zombie Spider-Man that, when feeling at the bottom of the barrel, stops being PETER PARKER instead of Spiderman, like, he physically removes the face of Peter Parker and leaves it in a street alley.
@@Sleeperhe4d And that's still not the wildest part of the Marvel Zombies storyline
"It can get weirder! ...I just washed my hands, thats why they're wet! ...noothereason-"
@@jaylenhoskins4085 *o h n o*
as a bi man, I really hate that media acts like we don't exist. literally the only characters in media who are bisexual are women so that men can have the fantasy of having a three-way with her, and watch her do lesbian things while still having her be open to the possibility of being with them. any time theres a man who is bi or pan or whatever, its always done as a joke. its just so depressing man...
There's plenty of valid bi men in media you're being so dishonest you're describing a small portion of bi representation.
@@toxicsheep9203 how am I being dishonest? I havent watched every single piece of media ever to exist. you mind giving some examples? some names maybe? cuz I am being completely honest, if there are any good ones out there then I just dont know of them, so please let me know. if you dont actually have any examples then youre just being an asshole.
Agree, it feels that because of this many peoe don't even believe that bi men exist
My friend meet John Constantine 👏 ✨
Totally agree. As a bi woman, it really annoys me how rare bi representation exists, and when it does it’s usually just to fetishise sapphic women. Like I get enough of that in real life, I don’t want it from the media too thanks. Representation of different sexualities is definitely getting a little better, but we still need more bi men.
"STOP MAKING CARTOONS POLITICAL!"
the "Politics": oh yeah, look, this minority exists, yeah, they exist.
Well to be honest it is. The right stand for traditions and it is tradition (sadly) to hate da gays in a lot of countries. Therefore by showing lgbtq+ characters you’re telling the audience thay being gay is okay (what it is). A statement that’s more left leaning and finally therefore political.
@@jokehu7115 its sad that it has to be a political thing tho. like,,, your existence is inherently political because righties piss their diapers every time they see u
@@myra4433 you're acting like the right is full of bad people
@@jokehu7115 Well no because ‘people are allowed to exist’ isn’t a political opinion mate. Gay people do exist regardless of what the right think or want.
@@littlemrsmods7998 existing is one thing to show them on tv is another. The rights point of view is that you dont show them at all like they dont exist
It's interesting to think people would think marceline/princess bubble gum where "made gay" in the new series when there were references to them having a romantic relationship for most of the old series, they were just literally closeted because they were on a kid's network... and that's kind of like representation in general, it's not that there aren't diverse people in media because they don't exist, it's just that they aren't allowed to exist in that space.
I hate how they made Finn straight smh
@@Peasham Finn invents a new gender ny nuking the Musroom Kingdom with aliens and North Korea
@@Peasham aren't he always was straight?
Peasham why though? Just curious
No their relationship was always fan made my problem is they threw finn in the trash after they made marble official that's my problem
I really liked Veridis Joe then I realized he was black and I don’t like how political that is, can’t we just talk bout cartoons???
I’m gonna scream
lol
Lol
Lol in Japanese
Drawing attention to someone's race, gender, or sexual orientation to make them stand out is never a good thing. It makes you think about their 'otherness', where before you were just enjoying that person as a, well, person. I've caught myself at least once realizing that, after a specific characteristic of someone was pointed out to me (look! he is black/look! he is gay) my brain focused on that one characteristic, and it detracted from my enjoyment, because my brain wanted to stop thinking of the person, and instead think of 'that black dude'.
Diversity isnt political, diversity is reality, i dont want my identity to be politicized, but it is, and it causes me pain
Fax.
Earlier today I was reading reviews for season 5 of This Is Us (great show, I really recommend it) and the reviews gave me brainrot, just a ton of right wing dumbasses saying how it's all left propaganda, one of the characters is in a relationship with a non-binary person, and she always has to remind her parents to use they/them pronouns for them, I can relate to this, I have a friend who is non-binary, I also always have to remind my parents to use the correct pronouns.
This Is Us covers every possible subject, whether through a minor character, or a major plot point (those same right wing people also were annoyed at COVID being covered, which is stupid, the show in that season was set in 2020, and the show takes place in our world with constant references to happenings within our world) because it is a show all about life, the life of the main family in the show, the lives of the families sprouting off of them, and life in general, so people who think it's annoying This Is Us having lots of representation obviously just haven't watched the show, or they're just using the show as an excuse to be queerphobic and racist.
@@onelusciouslad7841
You're a idiot just going out of you're way to call people racist and queerphobic just stop it.
@@onelusciouslad7841
No dude lot of it is leftist propaganda you literally confirmed it
That the character constantly talks about their pronouns and shoves it in people's faces its garbage and it turns people off.
I fucking feel you on this one!
Like… why can’t we just exist and be seen in shows and regarded as normal instead of “pushing an agenda”?
Forced diversity is political.
The term “virtue-signaling”, like the term “simp” has become so over-used that it’s losing it’s real meaning. Why does the Internet do this.
Honestly I like using the term simp as a meme at this point example: "I simp for (insert person)"
Ive never heard of virtual signaling until today, but i don't use Twitter
@@dislikebutton2688 as someone who uses Twitter i never heard that phrase too. But then again I stay away from dumb toxic shit
@flower head eh I mostly point the words at company’s where it deserves to be pointed *COUGH* DISNEY *COUGH*
I prefer to just use the literal meanings of the words, within reason. I'll use 'virtue signaling' to mean a very small, effortless gesture used to indicate support for a humanitarian cause. I will also use 'simp' as short for 'simpleton'. Luckily, most uses of these words fall squarely within these definitions.
I fucking love Miles because he's not just black Peter but his own character and he works really well as a character
Nah man you tripping he's basically a re-skinned of Peter Parker.
@@colindowden2182
No he is not because the only thing they have in common is that they are two teenagers with a dead uncle.
@@joshiba-yj8qn He obtained his power just like Peter, his costume is basically a black colour version of Peter, his personality such as being a scientific genius is the same just like Peter Parker, let's face it the dude isn't that original to be honest and for the record I'm talking about comic book miles although most of the argument still applies to movie miles, for a character that's actually a character that took the mantle of a previous hero without having to be the same damn character or a respawn then Terry McGinnis/ Bat man beyond is your guy.
that's how a gay or bi spider-man should be done too; as his own character.
@@MrKaiju-sr8wu Or just make a new hero who's either of those things and leave spider-man just the way he is.
i just got back from ignoring a guy who told me being trans isn't real thanks joe 🙏
well thats a moment
✨Same✨
@@danaenaegod5203 A burh moment
well shit i guess i have to tell my family and friends i’m not real then
@@identitycrisis5020 wait if i'm enby does that mean I double don't exist??
There is a difference between representation and tokenism. For example, JoJo's Bizzare a
Adventure had a female lead in part 6 (Jolyne) and a disabled lead in part 7 (Johnny) back to back. And Stone Ocean and Steel Ball Run are fan favourites because Johnny and Jolyne's personalities don't consist entirely on being a girl or being disabled. They're actual characters with development and flaws.
no but like the diversity jojo has sometimes makes me so happy. l
@@volieval I agree. There's also the main iterations of Miles Morales and Ms. Marvel (Kamala Kahn). Miles isn't just the black Spiderman, he's like a brother to Peter Parker.
@@thelgiver5844 yeah and through him, we also saw the world behind peter parker's eyes. And also the problem is no one really understands what they are arguing, first there are people who are uncomfortable with gays, second there are fans who doesnt want their character they relate somuch to change, third there are people who see hollywood diversity bs as it is, fourth there are people who are homophobic, fifth, there are people who are forging the narrative, then last there are people who truely desires good representation. The problem is people think there are only 2 sides and this just makes things all the worse, there sre peopl who camplains for the sake of complaining, there people who uses those complaints to their criticisms and there are people who sees things asthey are but cannot really know who they are talking with on the other side of the screen, this topics arent meant to be discussed on social ,edia. It would only truely work and would knly really change something if its discussed jn real life.
@@drakephysecron6775 Thank you so much! This whole time I've been looking at threads trying to see what other people got out of it, but their arguments just ended in insults and childish shenanigans. Your comment basically highlights what I was trying to figure out and if there was more under the surface. Thanks for the explanation.
@@thelgiver5844 You know what's sad? Some comments that I read from a Spider Man: Miles Morales trailer called Miles black Peter Parker and called the game woke.
People make a big deal when there's bisexual or gay characters.
People also seem to completely ignore the existence of asexuality 😦
Yeah also spongebobs actually asexual as stated by his creator. Though I wish there was more representation for asexual people.
todd from bojack horseman todd from bojack horseman
Piccolo and Buu from DBZ are biologically asexual because the don't need partners to reproduce. It's not a sexuality though, it's just how Majins and Namekians work.
@@ianthecoolthief6226 yeah also freizas race is also asexual and genderless
In the Sherlock Holmes books he is explicitly stated as aro, and I think is ace too.
"All emotions, and that one (love) particularly, were abhorrent to his cold, precise, balanced mind... as a lover he would have placed himself in a false position. He never spoke of the softer passions, save with a gibe and a sneer."
What's the name of your dog? Like he's an adorable kind of dog!
Cosmo. 0:12
@@sunflower_sosa :0!! Thanks for telling me
@@jelly9257 No problem.
Yorkshire Terrier or Yorkie, for short
@@LeAndre_McCoy so the breed of the dog is yorkie? Dude they look so damn cute!
People who go "Spiderman can't be gay" haven't seen the bromance between Spiderman and Deadpool
Or the fact that Spidey has admitted to dating a male character in the comics lmao
You know a bromance isn’t gay right? Peter Parker has like 30 girlfriends.
@@magicalgirl4 what universe was that? 616?
@@parkeranimations3671 it’s a joke, I thought that was obvious
@@deadmansquestions doesn’t look like one.
minority: exists
"That's too political for me fam"
People who usually say that are probably the same people who say "I like RATM until they got too political"
@@ProjektTaku found one
@@ProjektTaku The conservative.
@@ProjektTaku
You're under every comment pointing your finger and using some generalizing political word. You're just proving all of these right, don't you see? You obviously have no brains to spell or formulate arguments correctly, just spewing off shit like a grade schooler. Grow the fuck up and think for yourself
@@ProjektTaku
Black police brutality is very real. Just as an example, a grown man shot on a car for black teenagers because "they were scaring him". He was the one with the gun and they didn't have any weapons.
And gay people not being oppressed? Gay people get sentenced to die in 13 countries, simply for being gay. And by the way, that's one more country than where they're allowed to legally marry (in 12). Just a decade ago, it was prohibited around the world. Plus, just type into RUclips "Russians beat up a gay guy" and you see enough unfairness than you could ever blindly deny. Just type into Google in general "what are the human rights that gay people are missing" or "when did the black people optain the same rights as white people"
For every movie with a gay person in it, I could tell you ten without one.
Stop crying you noisy idiot
“ItS sUcH a LeFt ThInG tO dO”
To....to have basic human decency?
Well to be honest it is. The right stand for traditions and it is tradition (sadly) to hate da gays in a lot of countries. Therefore by showing lgbtq+ characters you’re telling the audience thay being gay is okay (what it is). A statement that’s more left leaning and finally therefore political.
@@jokehu7115 Are saying people existing is a debate? Because you sound like it is?
@@rageman0329 im saying putting a gay character in a show, not real people. and im debatting shit im just saying that a lot of people on the right see a gay character as a statement.
@@rageman0329 I mean, it shouldn't be, but even if one side of the debate is obviously wrong, the debate is still happening
@@jokehu7115 lgbtqa+ people exist in reality lol. And they’re everywhere. It’s not unrealistic or wrong to have them in shows and movies. It has no effect on you at all. The most it’ll do is make lgbt feel represented which is frankly a really great thing since most of us have just been cast out our entire lives
Reasons why there should be a bisexual Spider-Man:
So they can make a "swing both ways" joke.
There are probably other good reasons but that's the most important one.
Yes that's the most important one 😭😭😭
The only one that matters
You are on to something here
And To Make Me Hate The Character.
Also I think he dated Deadpool in the comics at one point-
"theyre just trying to appease the gays 🙄"
me: *flash back to every unnecessary hetero relationship in media* hmmm yes i see your point.
Why is this so true? Lmao
@Carolina Hernandez Every pair of characters has that happen regardless of sex.
@Carolina Hernandez I'm not the fuck are you talking about. I'm just saying in every form of media characters get shipped no matter what.
@Carolina Hernandez im not saying they are shipped, im talking about when there is a hetero couple cramed into a storyline for usually the purpose of fan service and because they know it will help it sell. so nothing wrong with that? so there is nothing wrong with putting gay relationships in media just to make gay ppl happy.
@@에리치-b7j It's not usually crammed into a storyline for fanservice just cuz they're hetero. It's mostly done for marketing or because stuff has been building up for the series. It's just a forced relationship which has been done to gay or bi relationships in other media as well.
As someone who has Asperger's characters like entrapta gives me a character that I can actually relate to rather than how crap people treat people with autism in media
Mary and Max(?) claymation movie
Max has asperger's
it's a good movie, would recommend
While these characters are not confirmed to be autistic, L, Near, and Mello from Death Note do seem to have some level of autism, or at least are neuroatypical. They have oddities like preferring to sit with feet on chairs, not being very socially adept, and having obsessive thinking. As someone who is diagnosed as slightly having aspergers, I found characters like L to be relatable and motivating as they still showcase intelligence and dignity in spite of their flaws.
same!
Exactly I completely agree with you!
Also I’m not attacking you here I just wanted to let you know, it’s probably best you don’t use the term Aspergers anymore as it’s an outdated term and no longer an actual disorder ( a lot of people find it antisemitic as the guy Hans Asperger was a n@zi eugenicist who used the “disorder” to determine if disabled people were able to live based on how “functional” they were)
Not attacking you just in case you didn’t know (I was diagnosed with “Aspergers” as well, there’s no such thing as high functioning or low functioning just autism)
funny, i have aspergers too and i despised entrapta
I’m black and I don’t like it when they change a characters race to black. I want original black characters, I want their identity to be their own. I hate the feeling that minority and LGBT characters can only get the sloppy seconds of main stream characters. Give us our own damn it.
Plus I just think changing a characters race in general is pretty weird as it messes with iconography, if a characters look changes too much, it’s not even the same character anymore. Might as well make it a different character, would prefer it.
I partly agree with this? Because tbh personally it comes down to the genre for me. Like if it its fantasy, it doesnt really matter to me because the cultures, races, regions and religions are fictional so real world reflections dont really apply. Like... if a space pirate looked filipino (I'm filipino) while the rest of the crew were an assortment its cool since they dont truly share our real world experiences. If it's a real life setting then yeah theres definitely some iffy stuff there.
But yeah straight up with our own character identities!
You know you can have both... right? You can have original characters and characters who are altered to represent a greater span of experiences. It really is okay. It doesn't have to be a rigid either/or.
@@OzinRoseCity I disagree, no matter what they will not be their own character, and always be a "black version" of the original.
Look at April from rotmnt, different personality, look, and dynamic; could have been her own unique character that we could have seen in other turtles adaptations. Because she is tied to april she will forever be seen as "that time they made april black" instead of "that cool character from rotmnt" Because that is the character she is tied to.
Even Miles (a character i like) is seen as Black spider-man. He is not his *own* super hero. You don't see Blade being called "Black Blade"
It makes me feel like people can only accept black characters if their copying white people. That we don't deserved to be recognized for what we build for ourselves and only when we are given status by a white person are we validated. it further perpetuates the idea that white people are the "default race" That shit depresses me.
Hell their about to do the same thing to spectrum in the MCU, making her a copy cat side kick of miss marvel, instead of her own independent character that had lead the avengers like she was in the comics.
@@speeddevil4040 you do have a point. Food for thought.
@@speeddevil4040 honestly you’re making the most sense out of anyone here
Ppl: "you can't just remake characters with a new sexuality"
Riverdale:
Ppl: ok.
i am weird
i am a weirdo
i dont fit in
and ..**rubs jaw** i dont want to fit in
have you ever seen me without this stupid hat on?
THATS WEIRD
Yeah, but riverdale I thought was a poor adaptation of the comics, especially after season 1.
I've watched a few clips of Riverdale but never watched the show wholly but in my opinion, the show is pretty boring. Sure, it can be a new twist from the comics, but I kinda doubt that the dark and bleak atmosphere fit the overall lighthearted and campy comic franchise about a group of teens spending their time together.
FOR REAL
@@polin1710 LMAO
The fact that literally anyone would think diversity is political is utterly idiotically pathetic.
Well to be honest it is. The right stand for traditions and it is tradition (sadly) to hate da gays in a lot of countries. Therefore by showing lgbtq+ characters you’re telling the audience thay being gay is okay (what it is). A statement that’s more left leaning and finally therefore political.
No diversity can be done for political reasons, that doesnt mean diversity in of itself is political. Both can be true at the same time. Youd be disingenuous to not see that
@@behappy5869 true you can make a character however you like but changing a character sexuality in his third movie with no build up or hints that he was is pretty lazy writting and sounds more like a tag in than just a diverse character.
@@jokehu7115 I've literally never met a person who is both LGBTQ+ and cares about things like this without it also being lazy because the sexuality portrayed is using harmful stereotypes. I am deeply confused as to why anyone seems to think this is as important as it is. It seems to be the next way to say "Noncishets shouldn't be in media" without being outwardly homophobic.
@@jokehu7115 Honestly the only reason why this stuff is still considered political is because Hollywood writers refuse to do their job when writing minorities. They don’t want to actually represent these people, they’re just doing shitty damage control that ends up backfiring.
I’m not heterotrophic, I have straight friends, I just wish they wouldn’t put unnecessary straight characters in shows
Nice to meet you I'm a photoautotroph I turn light and water into sugar and energy
I get what you mean, im straight but there are sometimes hetero relationships that aren't needed. *cough* Chicken Little *cough*
@@amethishi exactly, chicken little was great without an added romance
Like Jesus there's kids watching keep that straight shit to yourselves 🙄
@@rain_ypjm lol chicken little was not great even without the romance subplot
Diversity isnt hurting anyone or being political
Its just people existing
[Please dont fight in the replies]
[Stop]
[Seriously, stop arguing]
[Omfg bro stop writing paragraphs]
[Brooo I need yall to help me with my essay, yall be writing paragraphs on this 2 line comment-]
[I was happy that I had a popular comment till I started reading the replies, yall serious, please stfu]
@@shroomer8294 so your argument is... you're uncomfortable with media showing more minority characters than you're used to where you live...?
Fuckin... *grow up*, dude. 😑
Media is international, and needing to be represented as a constant, colorless majority to feel comfortable is peak obnoxious privilege.
@@shroomer8294 That bruh moment when diverse groups exist outside of your own environment.
I think it's great that shows are starting to have more diverse casts with different ethnicities, sexualities, bodies, ect. Growing up, there weren't any characters that I could find that were similar to me at all, other than Dora the Explorer lmao. I felt like there had to be something off about me because all the characters on TV were white, straight, and conventionally attractive. It's silly, but it makes you feel bad especially when you're young and have bad self esteem. If there were any shows that showed more diversity (other than making fun of every fat character and stereotyping anyone who wasn't white) then I would've not had to feel bad for simply existing. It's great knowing that media is more diverse and that other people won't feel erased or outcasted.
That's enough of my rant though lol. I know a lot of people felt the same as I did as a kid.
RIGHT?!
@@shroomer8294 I honestly agree because they deadass need to stop spoiling aspects of the show before we see it. Let me come into the show blind like that cool shit about to happen. If they have to XYZ before we even know how the plot is gonna be it's a red flag they're trying to pull off diversity and not off the quality of the plot itself. They about to do some cool shit with cool people that's fine now let the story bloom and let people accept it as they watch it. Do agree that sexuality is a need to know bases does it need screentime all the time, hell nah. I personally want to see more people just existing without sexuality thrown around because they just happen to be in the same room.
@Tim van der Oest dude wtf that first part is such a stretch. im not gonna touch anything else you said btt it “you do realize i can use the very logic youre using to make an argument against diversity right” is such a goddamn stretch omg. see the thing here is that someone who uses that reason to justify amounts of white ppl is a fucking idiot. not saying you are since ik u arent actually saying that but like. its a big difference to complain about DIVERSITY than to complain about AN ABUNDANCE OF WHITE PEOPLE. diversity isnt made to fit your exact area, anyway. diversity exists so people of minorities have someone positive to relate to and someone that positively represents them. so fucking what if the population of minorities isnt natural to where you live? i live in california and my school is literally packed to the brim with mainly hispanic people and black people. anyway respond ti this if you wanna but i wont respond. not to be in bad faith i just wont have the energy to
Yeah I'm not queer but I really enjoy seeing lgbtq people on screen because it just leads to more unique dynamics and stories. like im so tired of seeing the same types of people going through the same conflicts
That romcom assembly line aesthetic is why Hallmark channel is a thing and romcom movies are practically nonexistent, even when one rarely hits blockbuster gold.
no it doesn't
Me 2 but I don’t like them changing characters. Write new characters.
@@ProjektTaku dude I fucking love tracking down every comment you make in this youtube comment section, you really hate gay people don't you lmao
@@Sablus nah I don't hate nice, smart gay people
Anyway, JK Rowling's handling of Black Hermoine pissed me off. As a black person who really enjoyed the books, I tried re-reading the books while imagining a black Hermoine but I couldn't?? Like she was written as white, even if it's a book series you can tell that's what JK had in mind. And ya know, if Rowling had said something like:
"When I was writing the books I visualized Hermoine as a white girl. I am a white woman with immense privilege so I never tried the best I could to incorporate proper representation into my books. I now know that as an author diversity is important, especially in media geared towards younger audiences. Because of this, I am 100% ok with people who imagine my characters differently or have headcanons of them that divert from the source material. These characters are as much yours as they are mine."
It could've been fine. Just be honest to your audience Joanne.
EDIT: This isn't about the fact that Hermoine is black in Cursed Child/ in people's headcanons. I couldn't care less about the character's race, it doesn't add or remove anything from the franchise and theatre is theatre. I'm mad at JK Rowling for trying to get brownie points by making herself seem progressive or whatever without putting in the work to actually represent people.
EDIT EDIT: Ya I'm trans so fuck Joanne, there's no way she'd actually admit to being wrong
Yeah as a black man myself I was like what ? Why is she's black
Idk who tf you're taking about. Hatsune Miku wrote Harry Potter.
And if hermione was black it would have been said literally EVERY time she was mentioned like it was with Lee Jordan, or Angelina Johnson, or Michael Corner
Maybe people compared it to Harry Potter (Magic school, evil guy treating the peace who is connected to the main protagonist, main trio, wise mentor guy etc.) But they have totally different characters and the story is easily different from Harry Potter's story. I can't deny that they are similar but haven't you wished to capture your love like you had for Harry Potter again but without being the same?
Here you have a chance, with an amazing magic system, fantastic characters, fantastic creature's connected to magic, an underground school with boats as transport vehicles, captivating mysteries etc..
@@Kino_Cartoon what,,?
Forget politics, right wing, left wing, etc. We need plain human decency.
As a straight white male, I don't care if a character is gay, trans, etc. I just care if a character is authentic. Funnily enough, I find most American media inauthentic and generic, but that's just me.
Yes
But none of the current lgbtqa character personalities are their just gay the anti-sjw’s on twitter make that their Entire personality
I don't care much about the gays and all the representation but I say that the LGBT community are people too.
Edit: I realized that I'm bi, but what I said still stands.
@@naikou1633 oh ok as it should
"I hate having diverse characters in my cartoons! I miss when cartoons weren't political!"
*any cartoon that's episodic and fun existing*
"Ew! Why isn't this realistic?!"
:|
yeah that pretty much sums up the past 4 years of cartoons you can never please anyone and then it becomes a twitter fight for 3 months
*no one, never*
Reminds me of that transfemme that talked about being bullied for writing a trans Harry Potter fic. The justification being:
"Because of magic trans people wouldn't be a thing, since they could just magic themselves into being cis. Having trans people in that universe is unrealistic"
And those cis people in fandom had agreed that trans people didn't exist in Harry Potter,which... is not how that works? Especially, when nonbinary people exist.
Similarly, alot of people get upset by "female transformers" saying "Transfomers are robots they have no gender!" despite all of them being seen as men by default. That's kind of a running theme for any fictoinal race/character that's gender neutral.
@@prioritalpanic629 i know what you mean there is never pleasing the internet it usually follows this type of path that "why aren't you more realistic" or "why did you bend the knee" in a fantasy type story where the author decides what does and doesn't exist in the world they created honestly no one can tell a story now a days with out some one being mad about something being included or excluded
@@Pichi312 bruh just because you didn’t see it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. Shut up, pls.
Every time somebody says the word SJW unironically I feel my brain shrivel up a little more
Fucking same here.
Yeah and it's not 2016 anymore, so I have no idea why people are still using SJW
is that why you sjw's are so dumb?
ok sjw
Same. The whole SJW thing is just old news. Anti-SJWs are no better either.
Me, a writer who writes a buff masculine man who happens to be bisexual:
My mom who says she has no problems with LGBTQ: wHy DoEs hE LiKe a MaN YoU dOnT hAvE tO bE """WOKE"""
if your gonna make him bi and masculine I recommed you dress him like a jojo character
@@ProjektTaku *it's me Dio*
@@nathanjereb9944 "wait it was magnet you weene little shi- *ORA* "
Nobody says it like that.
@The Stonefish Why not?
Diversity isnt forced, people just exist
I am a bi autistic girl, my mother and stepfather are an interacial couple, my closest friend is a pan trans man, my sister's friends are Filipino and hispanic, my grandmother is friends with a lesbian couple
None of us have to justify our existence and the existence of our friends, different people just exist, and I'm glad it's being reflected onto modern media instead of having only straight white men taking all the media pie.
Dude conservatives practically have their whole 2 brain cells pour out their ears when i say Im a mixed Afro-Latina lesbian from South America who is also an atheist, a witch and nd. They lose ittt
@@LangkeeLongkee "you're too many things. Me brain hurt. Waaaaah"
@@nukiradio lmao why is that exactly how they act
about pandering, Why its bad? They big corporations don't really care. They pander because its easy, they pander because its profitable and if it becomes not profitable to pander to a certain race or gender guess what happens. ruclips.net/video/bhI90v_ivU0/видео.html why did Disney shrink finn in the Chinese StarWars poster? They are just pandering to China right? you should be "offended" that Disney can just shrink Finn to "pander" to China.
"should Disney ignore a group of people that exist and consume media" "so yeah they are appeasing china die mad there is nothing wrong with that ima play a a little sad song on the worlds smallest violin" as some would say. You want to be tolerant then this is okay.
@@LangkeeLongkee about pandering, Why its bad? They big corporations don't really care. They pander because its easy, they pander because its profitable and if it becomes not profitable to pander to a certain race or gender guess what happens. ruclips.net/video/bhI90v_ivU0/видео.html why did Disney shrink finn in the Chinese StarWars poster? They are just pandering to China right? you should be "offended" that Disney can just shrink Finn to "pander" to China.
"should Disney ignore a group of people that exist and consume media" "so yeah they are appeasing china die mad there is nothing wrong with that ima play a a little sad song on the worlds smallest violin" as some would say. You want to be tolerant then this is okay.
People stay mad about men loving men
but women loving on women is
1. Sexualized
2. Fetishsized
3. Men accept this and women deal with it.
It's not right.
I don't know what you talking about, I know many woman who find gay men attractive but I also know men who are into lesbians, it's not a one way street.
So are you just gonna ignore the fact that gay men are also sexualized and fetishized? Some other men such as myself aren't a fan of yaoi and we also have to deal with others who assume us to be homophobic, like are you trying to conform us into watching guys making out? Respect our, and everyone's, disinterests please, I was heavily disturbed when I got clickbaited into guys doing disgusting shit to each other.
@@red_dulge I think they're calling you homophobic for other reasons mate. Protip might have sum to do with you calling what gay men do with one another "disgusting ish"
I could be wronf though feel free to correct me.
@@LangkeeLongkee I explained why but RUclips deleted it, but it's simply about men's fists inside butts and the flesh inside pulled out. I accept men being romantic with other men, just not sexually. This is why I choose lesbian love, we all have our fetishes we like and we don't like. Concept of preference.
@@red_dulge as a member of the lesbian deligation: Fnck you. ❤
We dont want you. Get back and get away. Youre not allowed to have preferences for other people's sexuality. Thats not a preference. Its bigotry. You have a f3tish for lesbians sir. And thats gross. We dont like that. Funfact: thats called rose budding and people of all sexualities and genders do it. I do think its freakin gross, but Im not targetting a marginalized group for doing it am I? You are.
2nd Fun Fact: if gay men gross you out but you have a preference for lesbians youre a homophobe. Lol I dunno why I try with yall if multiple people say you are a bigot, especially if those people are members of the group they claim you offend, listen to them. It is not your place to tell us what constitutes as bigotry towards us. It really isnt. And theyre right. You are homophobic. Fix that.
Damn you're good at this lol. It's true: Representation is not pandering, nor is it a political choice to have LGBT characters in your media. Are there some creators who queerbait? Sure, but that's not 100% of them. People who complain about this stuff always pick the wrong targets.
@ALLAN LOUIS JEUNE Depends really. Good pandering is just fanservice. Bad pandering is fanservice at the expense of plot.
@@HellfireComms panders is bad.
There's a different between pandering and rep
@ALLAN LOUIS JEUNE Well by pandering in this instance I just mean like "here is a cool thing like a new power up or a form", not necessarily "here is a gay character who will never appear again".
@ALLAN LOUIS JEUNE the three different actors represent different spider men/Peter Parkers. The upcoming MCU multiverse events (the next doctor strange movie) will likely involve them all if briefly. Also, any one of them could be bisexual or pansexual because men who date and marry women and are still attracted to men (and the various other genders and sexes) exist. If you don't understand that maybe you should be asking more questions of reliable sources on the subject and making less ignorant statements about it.
JK Rowling 20 years ago: Hogwarts is in England
JKR now: Hogwarts takes place in Canada.
the pangea: actually......
*hogovworts
wait it does now
It actually located in Scotland, not England. though both countries are part of the United Kingdom
You're literally the Tyler the Creator of RUclips. Stylistically. Everything.
Were people really surprised Catra was gay?, the show looked hella gay already, have you seen that animation
@@lefishe6611 I was not surprised at all
Diversity isn't political, people just keep making it political.
fax it get political when people either try to add to much or to little diversity
@@dylan351 No matter what people do, no one will ever be happy. The many many faults of Humanity as a whole.
"Stop talking about it" -Morgan Freeman
@@arnold20139 Humanity should be destroyed, which I have plans to do
@@pluvi3054 yeah, that's kinda stupid.
I've said it once, i've said it a million times.
If you're going to represent, then go ahead. Just make them an *actual character.* Don't make the representative trait ridiculously important to their character identity, or worse, the *only* part of their character that stands out, lest you run the risk of it feeling like it is shoved in your face a ton to the point where it feels like flanderization and inevitably becomes distasteful. This does *not,* however, mean that said representative trait can't be part of the story in some way.
Case in point: Wainwright Jakobs from Borderlands 3. He's a gay man, and at one point, you have to rescue his fiancee, Sir Hammerlock, a returning character from Borderlands 2, to progress the story. However, him being gay is not the core of his character identity. Arguably, two of the defining moments about him are when he kills a bunch of baddies when you first meet him, and again when he shoots at one of the main villains of the story, calls him "ratboy," and taunts him all while escaping him. How do people see him? Badass with a shotgun, humble in his own sense, and quick-witted with a sharp tongue. As a straight guy, I consider him one of the best characters in the game.
Or, as your thumbnail shows, Miles Morales. The core pillars of his character all relate to his personality - not his skin tone. We know him as a kid who's more intelligent than he thinks he is, somewhat awkward, a little bit of a delinquent but has a good heart, and highly emotionally sensitive, NOT "Black kid who's also spiderman." Arguably, even him becoming Spider-man is a secondary trait, serving mostly to drive his character arc forward.
And, to put it bluntly, just let people make what they want to make. Don't be against representation, but at the same time, don't go bashing people for stuff that isn't PC. Let creatives be creative.
Now, this is some truth, zero lies here homie.
Nah, there's nothing wrong with a character's sexuality or gender or whatever being an important part of their character. People hold up "casual" rep like this all the time, and while personally I enjoy that shit too, stories about a gay kid coming to terms with their sexuality, (or something like The Hate U Give that focuses on police brutality and the issues of black people) are also perfectly good rep. They've both got a time and a place, just as long as neither one makes the characterization entirely their identity (by which I mean: just all stereotypes)
@@maevem316 That's... what I said...
Once again, if you want to make it part of their character, that's fine.
Just make sure to have them be a well balanced character.
By "ridiculously important," what I mean is that there may be other pillars, but the representative trait seems to overpower the others.
The same goes fore every character trait in general.
If you have one of the pillars seem to overpower the others, your character has a high risk of seeming flat, with the other pillars seeming like afterthoughts.
I did say that there was no reason the representative trait couldn't drive the main story along.
Netflix writing side characters: that sign can’t stop me cause I can’t read!
Unless the story is directly related to their race, class, gender, clan, nation, hometown, etc, you don't even need to mention any of those.
He said “I wasn’t even bi yet I was just lame”
now that's just rude
Minorities: “So, can we like, exist and see people we can relate to in stuff we enjoy?”
People: Lol no, sjw. Get owned.
@Carolina Hernandez What are you talking about???
@Carolina Hernandez I really couldn’t care less if the character was remade and their sexuality, body type, or race was changed in a remake of a show, if the character is an alternate version of a pre-existing character with a different sexuality, race, etc, or if the character is completely original. It’s still good representation as long as it doesn’t promote harmful stereotypes.
@Carolina Hernandez They aren’t making Peter Parker gay, it’s an alternate universe. “Spider man” is just a title, it’s not one specific person.
about pandering, Why its bad? They big corporations don't really care. They pander because its easy, they pander because its profitable and if it becomes not profitable to pander to a certain race or gender guess what happens. ruclips.net/video/bhI90v_ivU0/видео.html why did Disney shrink finn in the Chinese StarWars poster? They are just pandering to China right? you should be "offended" that Disney can just shrink Finn to "pander" to China.
"should Disney ignore a group of people that exist and consume media" "so yeah they are appeasing china die mad there is nothing wrong with that ima play a a little sad song on the worlds smallest violin" as some would say. You want to be tolerant then this is okay.
People rlly just attacking someone for having an opinion they don’t like in this chat.
as a POC I always feel odd because I've never had a problem relating to straight, white neurotypical characters. Matter of fact my favorite character in any sorta fiction ever is Kiryu Kazuma from the Yakuza games. 6 foot, lean, Japanese man and I've never related to a character so much. I am in no way arguing against adding different people in fiction. I just never got how skin color, gender, sexuality stopped people from relating or feeling out of place. Afro Samurai, a black man, but his skin color had no part in helping me relate to him, it was his actions and personality that did. I won't argue for less diversity, cause it's just more appealing to not see the same thing but at times I feel some writers use it to compensate for lack of character depth. It's not everything that has come out but it sure does happen.
Honestly same. I love seeing characters that match my gender and sexuality and wish there'd been some in the shows I watched as a kid, but I never *had* to match a characters race, sexuality, or gender to relate to them, and I never understand why some people apparently do. It's a really great feeling to be able to share similar experiences with characters, but those experiences have never been limited to just someone's race, gender, or sexuality.
I personally want to see different people because as a black person I am tired of the typical "struggle" black content uses. Diversity as a means to an end. Don't pigeonhole your own story trying to appeal to everybody. Find what works and make it work, it's like cooking you can eat steak and strawberry ice cream. Yet you wouldn't want that ice cream on your steak. Just make the narrative work if you have some "diverse" shit in there good. Also another problem they do is spoil the damn "diverse" aspect be telling romance plot aspects before the show is even seen. Again personally I want them to NOT use romance for once and see what they can do.
I completely agree, as a white male I’ve found so many characters that were male and female, white or not, gay or strait, that I relate with in so many ways that I see myself in them. My problem is characters written TO be gay or TO be black, etc. when you can make a good compelling character who is a minority of some kind. Ripley from Alien is a bad ass scientist who is also a woman, Falcon is a patriotic hero who happens to be a POC, Marcie is a bad ass vampire musician who happens to be bisexual. My issue I think comes from a character who’s core characteristic is to be a minority because it seems very disingenuous imo.
for me, i felt the same way, but i think that's partially because i HAD to emphasize with people who werent like me because... there just wasnt anyone who actually looked like me. and then i meet white ppl who are like "i cant watch shows with black people in it because i cant connect to the story" and im like.... there is not even one human element to the story you can connect to? i have to spend my whole life emphasizing with your existence but you cant connect on ANY level???????? none?
Thank you now this is what I'm talking about I'm also tired of the black struggle.
I really want more neurodivergent rep ngl, it sucks that I am barely represented
Writers are reluctant to write neurodivergent because unless they have some INCREDIBLY THOROUGH UNDERSTANDING OF IT which most writers don't, they are going to get criticized for writing "inaccurately" or something similar. Most writers don't have good understandings of neuroatypical people because they don't know enough people with any one given condition, and most if not all writers aren't psychologists who would have studied this stuff or come into close proximity with neurodivergent people. That's why the most you see are more common neurodivergence--anxiety and depression, ADHD, less-extreme autism, PTSD, OCD, *maybe* bipolar, though most "bipolar" characters aren't well-written, hence why writers are reluctant to try. Things like schizophrenia, more hard-leaning autism, asperger's syndrome--these ones writers shy away from or are routinely criticized for writing them because they don't write them well and either misrepresent their symptoms or just misrepresent them as people. We need to gain a better understanding of mental health and the differences between neurodivergent conditions before we can expect to see more neurodivergent characters.
@@randomperson8571 Thing is I feel like a lot of this also comes down to not treating neurodivergent people as their own people instead of a list of symptoms. Personally the best way to write it that I’ve noticed is to just write a character with these traits and let people put it together and then confirm it if everyone is in agreement. That’s what I’ve found the most productive, Entrapta is the best example for this. Like give them other traits besides being neurodivergent and your set
@@randomperson8571 youre inaccurate about a few things neurodivergencies arent mental illnesses. Depression and other mood disorders are not neurodivergencies, the only thing that is would be anxiety because anxiety is an umbrella term. Thats 1.
2, you see characters with all those disorders??? Where???? Gimme!!!
And 3, TJ from Andi Mack is dsycalculic and gay. Love him.
@@randomperson8571 That lack of storytelling experience could be said about many facets of life, especially when bound to studio politics and finances. Even Coppola was reluctant to do The Godfather until he was convinced that other potential directors would portray Italian Americans in a singularly negative light.
@@randomperson8571 Someone already mentioned it but mental disorders are not neurodivergence. Mental disorders can be remedied, cognitive disorders and personality disorders cannot and are therefore neurodivergence. Also saying things like "more extreme autism" and "hard leaning autism" comes off in a weird way. It stigmatizes the idea that only lower functioning autism is "real" autism. Yes there is a spectrum and lower functioning obviously need the most assistance and understanding, but higher functioning autistic people still face a lot of the same issues and still don't have their representation either. Asperger's is also catergorizes closer to higher functioning than lower functioning by the way, that is why they added it to the ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder)
Dudes be like: "wHY ArE gaY peOPLe oNLy HAvE gAy As thEIr OnE PerSONalItY TrAiT!!!?!???"
Then get mad when "the gay character" in the show happens to be the main character and has a complex personality.
Damn can't believe I used to be one of those people, glad I started to consume more diverse opinions.
Good job on the redemption arc dude
If you say The Last of Us people were mad abt 2 guys living happily during apocalyps bc they were gay? The way their relationship was perfectly protrayed but people just decided to show their homophobia
"Signal some bitches" is gold; and I'm stealing it
That shit is so unfair of Joe to say, cuz he can signal both sides it's like if you playing baseball for both teams. YOU CAN'T LOSE
People: “Quit whining about ‘representation’ y’all are just sensitive”
Also people: *”yOu CaN’t mAKe ThEm gAaaAYyyy tHatS IllgEAl sTop DoinG ThAT, Waaaaah!!!!”*
Well you see, this character is from a different universe and has the ability to destroy world and fight god while turning time around. But they like dicks AND vag? Yeah I find this unrealistic all of a sudden
@@blasphimusjust because their gay means they cant be strong? is it just me or do i smell a stereotype.
You don't get it. Puritans whine about representation, and then try to force representation where it doesn't make sense. AND THEY DON'T EVEN SUPPORT THE CONTENT AFTER THEY CHANGE IT!
Same goes to the right winger who thinks having diversity is shoving sjw content into their throat. Talk about hypocrisy.
Ngl I didn’t even know what virtue signaling was because it was thrown around so much
Great video as usual dude 💙💜
It's basically putting your political beliefs in to a media/work that is unnecessary. Ex: say if an artist is well known for their drawings of music artists, and all of a sudden they started putting hate symbols in their, but the work itself has nothing to do with that political belief. At worst it can be annoying.
@@thundercatvstheworld1855 I know now but back then it was thrown around so much by every RUclips channel making videos on how Marvel was shoehorning politics in their comics that the meaning was completely lost on me and it really just became another buzzword like SJW
@Darling Vexa Art true lol
there are shows with lgbtq+ representation that are censored, manipulated, or just banned in other places. Sailor Uranus and Neptune were turned cousins, Russia made Ruby from SU a hairy dude, Elsa in Frozen 2 was getting called a lesbian for practically nothing, etc. I think we're allowed to make characters gay...
I think the Russian with Steven Universe is really surprising when I saw that "fun fact" page on the Internet.
Okay but why do people actually think that elsa's lesbian lmao. I don't think Elsa has even been shown to have any romantic interest at all throughout the whole franchise.
@@qwertydavid8070 She was single and people hopped to the conclusion that because she showed no interest in men that she was gay. Made zero sense since my line of thinking is that if nothing is confirmed one way or the other then a character can't definitively be called something just yet.
I'm fr so sick of hearing people say it wasn't "necessary" for a certain character to be gay or anything else than white male cisgender and straight.
Yeah it's like "it's also not necessary for them to be white straight cis male... your move"
Into the spider-verse Miles was basically the best embodiment of actually making someone of a different race while not making it his personality
I also liked the guy from Pixar’s Soul
I dont like tthe "diversity movement" ptaht is beung firced on us, but miles is a good example of a well written chratcer, honestly i dont think of him as oart of diversity, just his own character, was anyome really alsty about him?
@@drakephysecron6775 Oof. Well I have bad news for you. Unfortunately diversity exists in real life. It's not being "forced" upon anyone. Media is just starting to accurately represent how the world looks. And yes, it is in fact possible to have characters who are well written and also contribute to diversity. Pretty funny that nobody ever gives any examples of the apparent "poorly written forced diversity characters" btw...
@@drakephysecron6775 the only thing people don't like about him is that he is a spider man. Not another hero.
And this problem goes on and on in comics
@@bromo8874
So? Spider man is a mantle not a person. Literally anyone can take up the title of spiderman.
Younger me watching AOT and seeing Ymir’s love letter to Histora gave me the courage to come out to me friend. I know it’s cheesy but seeing that little bit of representation made me feel so great and made me realize that I’m not alone, I loved both of the characters and I remember breaking down after watching it. I hate when people make other peoples existence political. You don’t walk up to a POC or gay person on the street and say “wow no need to get all political on me existing like that”
So that would be all the companies that virtue signal about this stuff because they're part of the politicisation.
I think this video hits the nail on the head; diversity isn't political, it's real life, and it's not strange or odd to make characters in fiction be reflective of real life. There's a fine difference between representation and just tokenism, but so long as being a minority isn't their main/only personality trait, I don't see a problem.
My biggest pet peeve is people asking "why do they have to be X?" Why not?; they don't need a reason to be X, they just are (just as people in real life are).
And as long as the diversity makes sense in the setting
Can't wait to see the replies to this
People having an issue with old characters being rebooted differently is fair, but I do think the loudest complainers are coming at it through bigotry. I would rather see under represented groups get their own fresh franchises built for them with them in mind than all these reboots of beloved properties get rebooted. Exception would be with the comic universes like DC and Marvel because that's an element already built into the framework through different universes and constantly different character designs.
Yeah I'd love to see stuff focused on the forgotten heroes and villains in Marvel/DC. Seeing John Stewart (one of 2 black green lanterns) in the Justice League was really cool and honestly all the other small heroes like Vigilante, Star girl, Mister Terrific ect.
The Justice League and Teen Titan shows were really cool for seeing all those side characters you never see outside comics.
But to the alt-wrongs, there's no winning for losing. Anyone new would just be regarded as "not as good enough" or even the slightest "carbon copy" of their beloved, and then seen as an attack of that which they've co-opted and aggrandized to be correct (unknowingly politically). Those whiners always want to be the center of attention, just like all children.
no I don't want to see batman or superman become black because "representation" I would much prefer if they stayed white
@@ProjektTaku like I said, there's multi verses in both major comics DC and Marvel. They change everything about the characters from gender, to names, backstory and race through the years. Just being true to the source material you can't actually dismiss wholesale like that. Plus those projects can stand alone like the 2019 Joker. I'd love to see them adapt the Batman universe where Bruce dies and his mother and father become the Joker and Batman respectively, that would be a fvcking dope and it's a different universe anyway, so their race doesn't matter to me.
I agree with you but considering how movies attempt to come off as "the" main universe like the MCU the movie goers might take that as an attempt to replace the character(s) they grew up as the new official version. That's where I see spiderverse getting it right because they come out the gate showing both visually, narritavely, and in every other way possible that this is a new story that isn't against even rewriting bits and pieces of even Miles' own story.
If more movies could be like that, showing a film that is clearly their version of a franchise and not just a simple reboot where they make only small and seemingly unaffecting changes that do nothing. Take making Peter Parker Bi, is he just Bi to be Bi so they don't have to use MJ or is this aspect about himself going to lead to new narrative beats in his story? Will he meet Gwen Stacy, will he have fallen in love Harry Osborn?
So many possibilities possible but most of the time this change serves no other purpose besides a writer's desire when they think "this character isn't (insert adjective here) enough, let's change that."
THE MANS BACK WITH A VIDEO AROUND TOPICS I WISHED DIDNT NEED TO BE EXPLAINED BUT AT LEAST HE'S GONNA DO IT WITH STYLE
I love how those people say that racism and all that shit doesnt exist but then will fucking *DESTROY* anything that is diverse
The best part about the quartering's "she ra is woke garbage" video is that he doesn't even have an argument. He scrolls through Twitter for 9 minutes because the show wasn't even out yet. I HATE that guy. 😠
Same, he’s literally the typical “anti-sjw” who just hates anything inclusive. Also he has this awful Parasite rant that literally feels like he just hate Asians, and this is coming from me, who’s in fact an Asian 😑
I mean he's not wrong though.
@@adeepseafish1238 no he wasn't and newsflash asains aren't oppressed
@@ProjektTaku maybe not, but we are bullied a lot, so...
@@kennethfajardo9102 no you're not
Personally, I think any so called “straight” character can be revealed to be bisexual later. I don’t know why people think that it’s retconning. It’s just something new.
Yeah, as long as it's handled nicely, it's pretty realistic too. I had no idea I was bi until I was in 8th-9th grade, and some people find out much later than that!
@@justaperson5677 Yeah, for me it was 7th grade.
It also happens in real life xD "thought I was straight, but then I saw (enter someone of the same gender here) and went, woop, apparently not"
Someone who is straight for a vast majority of their life isn't suddenly gonna like the same gender. After a certain point in your life you've usually are set in your ways. Peter( an example ) who has never ONCE shown homosexual tendency is suddenly attracted to guys? Even in real life I'd find that too drastic a change. There'd have to be some major trigger to warrant such a change in character. Mind you this Peter(MCU) still hasn't shown any homosexual tendencies so it'd be weird that he suddenly was interested in dudes when there hasn't been any prior hints that that is the case. No one really cares if someone is gay as long as it's not the only thing that the character is about. However that's usually how the media handles it they just show how gay the character is and nothing more.
@@tigeruntamed6036 Have you ever heard of heteroflexible? Not to mention in the MCU, given the blip, he is still a teenager and plenty of people don’t figure out their sexuality until college. Some people don’t understand there sexuality until there 40s. It’s not a big deal.
"Gay relationships might make the kids think they're gay"
Well this is a good point, I saw so many straight relationships and thought I was straight for so long!
Genius, I’m saying this next time it comes up with my mother LMAO
just yesterday i saw a tik tok asking “when was the time you realised you weren’t ugly and just black in a predominantly white school/area?”
*representation matters*
What the
When I was in 4th grade.
"My mom said I can't date black boys"
@@goose1194 wait what
@@strangereactions6
When I was in 4th grade I asked a girl out and she said "my mom said I can't date black boys"
That's when I realized why I got rejected so much.
Not because I was ugly, but I because I was of different ethnicity than she was.
I was answering the question from the tiktok.
@@goose1194 i know
I always find it funny that the characters people like to throw a fit over the most getting a sexuality change (cannon or headcannon) are usually never confirmed heterosexual? like they could very easily be bisexual, pansexual, etc.
Like there are the rare exceptions that actually confirm it but it's fairly rare for a character to declare that they only like the opposite gender/sex
Corrrrrrrrrect
its because like people in real life, characters are automatically assumed to be straight. even if their sexuality is never confirmed nor denied.
Its because many people are hetero, and when you relate to a character for so long then tehy suddenly just change it into something you don't understand, it instantly breaks the conection, making us hate the authors and then, as we are in social media, with no real stakes in opinions and no real concessions, the bitterness that some of us have will leak inti others and create the issue and those on the other side will fight back and as it cycles it just became larger and larger, until this diversity movement essentially became a political movemnt. Look at im not starfire, first the fans assume the worst about the comic because of the bitterness, amd the signs of its being woke, then the author fought back, insulting those who insulkted her and even those who are real fans, then it escalates to the release where every people taht wants to shit on it, were mostly proven right with the addition of the writer seemingly shitting on the original starfire, when jts just bad, not the worse, its just bland, and then this just continues on and on and everyone who doesnt really follow just shuts in the diversity mivement because its seemingly just a bad mivement that wants to take evry bit of happiness the fans has fromthem. Then we all die from wars them teh end
Because most people are straight.
That's why i loved the gay reveal at the end of Paranorman: the big dumb jock is a total stereotypical "Jock" stock character and has the hot cheerleader crushing on him through the whole movie, to which he's completely oblivious and ignores, and when she finally asks him out he says he'd love to see a movie with her since his boyfriend loves chick flicks.
Of course bisexuality doesn’t exist that would mean I exist
Imagine existing 🤣😳
People: "Why can't you just make original characters!"
Star Wars: *Casts John Boyega as male lead that is an original character*
Star Wars fans: *responds with racism*
*Chinese posters of TFO purposefully leave out Boyega's character
*After TFO, Boyega's character was gradually sidelined throughout the series*
John Boyega: "I don't think I could ever work on anything Star Wars/Disney related again"
Some Star Wars fans: "Imagine being *that* ungrateful"
Nah that whole situation had me livid
Like we have faster than light travel but the black dude is out of place
Hell realism only comes up to say some group shouldnt exist
But lukes pale ass going around uncovered on a planet with 2 suns and neither tanning nor burning is aye okay
reprensation can really help people feel seen so it definitely shouldn’t be something argued about or ,god forbid, political
Well to be honest it is. The right stand for traditions and it is tradition (sadly) to hate da gays in a lot of countries. Therefore by showing lgbtq+ characters you’re telling the audience thay being gay is okay (what it is). A statement that’s more left leaning and finally therefore political.
@@jokehu7115 Having the potential to be a political topic doesnt make something inherently political
@@jokehu7115 Regardless of if people think being gay is okay or not, the inclusion of gay people in media isnt political, some people just want it to be.
It also shouldnt be something studios shouldn't do just so they can pat themselves on the back. But that's how they use it. Every time a show is "diverse" the studio acts like is some revolutionary idea. It's not.
But you shouldn't need someone to look exactly like you to feel seen. I see myself in the original wally west because I like to joke a lot, and that I feel that I have to live up to something or someone but I'm not white, or a red head. I also see myself in mikey from tmnt but I'm not a mutant turtle
I think the problem is most media nowadays uses "diversity" as a selling point for there product which leads a lot of ppl drawn away from it
As a bisexual POC, I agree. Diversity is a good thing but the mainstream media writing bad stories that happen to also be diverse makes it look like diversity is a bad thing and silences writers who happen to be “diverse.” It repels people from diverse stories that happen to be good
@@miriamreinhardt8939 not all of them Are tho good example being deadpool
@@thatonecaster6501 Of course not all of them, but some of them
>most media nowadays uses "diversity" as a selling point
This isn't true at all, this is an anti-sjw strawman
@@reeree3032 about pandering, Why its bad? They big corporations don't really care. They pander because its easy, they pander because its profitable and if it becomes not profitable to pander to a certain race or gender guess what happens. ruclips.net/video/bhI90v_ivU0/видео.html why did Disney shrink finn in the Chinese StarWars poster? They are just pandering to China right? you should be "offended" that Disney can just shrink Finn to "pander" to China.
"should Disney ignore a group of people that exist and consume media" "so yeah they are appeasing china die mad there is nothing wrong with that ima play a a little sad song on the worlds smallest violin" as some would say. You want to be tolerant then this is okay.
If its not a selling point what is it? Evil
Diversity is great. Treating diversity like tokens to collect or mark down on a checklist is not.
Agreed
I agree.
@@ProjektTaku no, it isn't on what exactly? They have two statements, please be more specific.
@@ProjektTaku let me guess your not racist you have a black friend
@@MohammedAli-hl4mr well I'm not racist and I do have a sorta black friend but I don't think those two thinks are related. Unless they are? Are they?
“tHeY cHaNgEd ThE sExUaLiTy Of ThE cHaRaCtErS”
Do people realize that bisexuals exist? You know, people that like MEN and WOMEN who have their own PREFERENCES?!?
Bisexuals arent real, they were only invented by liberals so they could have straight politicians pretend to be gay and get more gay votes and sell more rainbow flags. Just like birds they're just a conspiracy fabricated by the government.
Yeah & sexual awakening is also a thing that can happen randomly. As a bisexual I have tastes that matter more than gender.
“Freddie Mercury is actually straight in the Harry Potter universe”
Since when did Freddie Mercury have anything to do with Harry Potter
He's British I guess
@@kingsaracoon9594 yeah but-
Other people are British too, like she could’ve used any other gay music artist from England-
@@GreenRasqberries Probably because all the others she knows are still alive and ready to call her out on her bullshit.
His name definitely sounds like a Harry Potter character's. "The Slytherin student, Freddie Mercury." xD He certainly had a wild imagination, that Farrokh Bulsara.
@@randomperson8571 yep! That definitely sounds like he’d fit right into the Harry Potter universe! :)
"Appease the gays"
LOL WHY DOES THIS PHRASE MAKE IT SOUND LIKE PEOPLE ARE SCARED OF THE GAYS™?? I'M JUST IMAGINING SOMEONE GOING "Oh no!! We need to appease the gays cause if they won't they'll smite us :oooo" NOW LOLOLOLOL
Btw great video. I completely agree with all of your points.
god i wish they were scared of us. the power i would hold...
You’d be surprised how much power ya’ll hold when it comes to media. You got that shit by the balls.
@Wowie Zowie lol
@Joshua Barnett I am a minor lol
you ever hear a conservative talk about ThE gAY AgEndA. i wish we had an agenda for world domination.
Our king has uploaded
All hail veridis joe!
I feel like this wouldn't be a problem if so many white people didn't see white as "default"
Well it's because they're the majority historically assuming we're talking about the United States. So the media sells to the majority where they can profit.
this is the RUclips comment ever
I'm so glad that we are getting more shows like Kipo and She-Ra that have a main cast that is diverse
As she-ra a spit in the face literally make a new show and not use the same ip
@@kendriccoley7053 just fucking watch the original then its not hard no one said shera had to be straight
@@81b0not3 and no one wanted a reboot so here we are, plus I didn't say anything about her being straight.
I love Kipo tho that show is the shit
@Darling Vexa Art sorry but they treated the old voice actors like shit, didn't give the old creator a proper respect after he died and use his name to promote the show yeah I'm not sad for dislike this.
„Bisexual people do exist“
Me: Yaaas! Validation!
Edit: that’s a nice thumb up number there
It’s been 84 years
That felt good tbh
People don't pop out knowing they're gay, it's sometime in there teens or later that they realize that about them selves, so don't get mad about a character coming out as gay mid-show is fine. If you really wanna do that, maybe you can wright a coming out arch for that character. THAT WOULD BE SO COOL! GOD DAMMIT, WHERE IS MY COMING OUT ARHC!
This! Literally Had A Friend Realize She Was Trans Recently And She Was 17 And I Realized I Was Asexual At 16. Idenify Takes A Long Time To Figure Out, Espically If Your From A Conserstive Place
@@hailey-rosevintora6211why you gotta capitalize every word, this read like an isekai title
Correction: Diversity shouldn't be political. Unfortunately, political diversity exists.
Pandering diversity (for the sake of one's own ego or finances) exists, which is the point of the video. Diversity in itself is the spice of life.
they be so quick to point out the one gay or black character as "too much" representation but dont bat an eye at the hundreds of white characters that we've been stuck with for decades
maybe it's because USA has more white people than black ones -_-?
@@andruspolanco6935 but not all media is made in the USA?? This post didn’t even mention the US so why did immediately think it was about you lmao
@@bumblebee924 about me?I'm not even from there .-.
The MAJORITY of movies are made in USA.And at least I'm not bitch1ng about people of my country in movies because of "representation".
@@andruspolanco6935 but let’s be honest, it’s fiction so honestly whether there are ‘too many black people’ or ‘too many gay people’ honestly shouldn’t matter.
Not to mention that most of these movies take place in completely fictional universes with fantasy elements, you’re telling me a giant monster destroying the entire world, a giant dragon, magic sword fights or massive space battles are realistic enough but having POC outnumber white people isn’t? (Also considering the fact that POC literally vastly outnumber white people globally anyway??). Even when the USA makes films that take place in a realistic setting OUTSIDE of the USA (in Asian and African countries), they always seem to be centred around white people, never the actual native people to that land/ country which is really iffy. With that being said, the film industry being so USA centric isn’t actually a very good thing either (I’m not from the USA either) it’s honestly really boring getting the same Americanised bullshit with barely any variety.
@@bumblebee924 wtf is poc
I mean... about shera, they kinda managed to make this reboot LESS gay than the 80s version
Uh, no they didn’t.
@@mr.x2567 man just count the rainbows per second in the old shera
Exactly, my existence as a person of color should not be seen as "political" or an attempt to be "woke". That's fuckin insulting. We exist and we have the right to participate and be represented in the media like everyone else.
ok then make your own media or ones depicting your own instead of shoving yourselves into places where you don’t fit, there’s your representation, a win-win for everyone, what do you think? Nuke america and your subhuman abominations off the face of this earth
@@tsurugi5 "make your own media"
Uhh bitchass, they do and people like you still talk shit, stfu.
@@tsurugi5 racism in its purest form.
a lot of people don’t realise that almost everything in the media is influenced by politics in some way. having a show where 99% of the cast is cishet, white and able-bodied is influenced by politics. that doesn’t mean it was consciously made with an agenda, but it’s influenced by politics. so when people complain about lgbt+ characters, black or brown or asian characters, disabled characters, jewish or Muslim characters, etc, because it’s too “political”, they’re just being a hypocrite.
no it is being to political cause its being shoved down our throats like I don't want to see a brown asain muslim superman or batman
@@ProjektTaku diversity isnt political lmao did you watch the video? And no one is shoving it down your throat, if you don't like it don't watch it.
@@vietninh9150 I would if you didn't force me too watch it and diversity has become political
@@ProjektTaku how are we forcing you? You consciously chose the movie you're watching. But having any other rcharacter be something besides a white cis man isnt political it's real life
@@vietninh9150 yah but if I don't watch it I'm labelled as racist and homophic
you can make the most unrealistic story and people would be mad when you add a minority.
My favorite is when it's a medievalish fantasy stories, and they complain about non-white people being "not historically accurate", when a) it's fantasy, b) there have been vast trade networks and full-on empires across all of Afro-Eurasia for *millennia* and c) none of those people complain about potatoes (or corn or chocolate or pumpkins) existing in those same settings, even though those 100% DID NOT come to Europe until after 1492. It is far, far, FAR more realistic to have a brown or black person wandering around any random remote English village in 1300 than that same village having vast cornfields. The former would be unlikely, sure, but the latter would be impossible.
@@erraticonteuse Also, I'm pretty sure no dragons, goblins, fairies and elves lived in medieval Europe either.
people also get mad if you don't add a minority there really is no way of pleasing people
@Darling Vexa Art have you seen how journalists get angry when there are only white people on a team then complain that there straight
@@eriklazo5499 ............ maybe because marginalized groups exist and the fact that they just happen to not make an appearance in a work is strange
I feel that many people when discussing a sexuality change forget that bi/pan people exist. And I also feel like it’d be a missed opportunity of a modern show/movie to explore closeted characters.
"Bi/panromantic until proven otherwise"
yep yep, agreed.
Pan? What's that? A new word for bread? Kinda weird.
@@idk-ye7ur ooh, not new! Pan actual is a word for bread! My fave is pan de sal. Next to it is pan de coco which has coconut shavings as filling. Funny how you guessed!
@Darling Vexa Art
It was just a pun.
I think that people shouldn’t be freaking out for or against representation in media. What I mean is that this really shouldn’t be a fight. The race and sexuality of a character is based what story wants to be told, and a story isn’t worse or ruined based on the characters skin color or gender or sexuality, white or black, gay or straight. He is right for acknowledging the rectonning in Harry Potter as an example of ruining a story for the sake of looking like a better person. This shit should add to the story and not outright ruin it.
Honestly I always thought about how being black needs to be full on focus of a character instead of just be out there being them.
Life isn’t so well child of destiny you know sometimes you just want to live.
Edit: Not saying there’s anything wrong with that focus but I think it helps to normalize through just existing without much emphasis and well exaggeration.
Have you seen Boondocks?
@@timtam3730 yeh
yo this video almost made me cry. I always see people who hate on shows because they are "too woke" or "sjw bullshit" and some of those are like my favourite shows. It's nice to see youtubers who actually have the brain cells to spare the fact that lgbtq and literally any form of representation is a good thing. Also, it was very funny, so thank you.
Especially handled the right way to
@@alastor-yw7og exactly. I don’t care if you make a character gay or trans. Just don’t A: Make that their entire personality and character and B: Do it only to pander
True and to mention the anti-sjws i don't think we should outright not show those kind of people to either and i think both sides need to understand about real diversity and the group's that are part of it
I'm a simple woman. I hear someone dunk on JKR, I like.
It's like a tick, it's innevitable
that's more complex than you think
Everyone forgets miles morales is half puerto rican, OOF
For me, as long as it isn't their only character trait, they're well written, and they fit in the world, I couldn't care less if they're gay, bi, black, asian, female, etc.
Again, me personally, I get a bit annoyed when someone takes a character, a fully established character with years of history, and tries to change them. Either set it in an alternate universe, or make a brand new character in that continuum, like Miles Morales and Sam Wilson.
Also, at least 2 Greek heroes that were at the very least bi. Heracles and Achilles. In the Greek mind, what was more manly than one man? 2!
Same
I agree but I feel that diversity also shouldn' t be used as a selling point. The product comes first above all else. Wright a character that happens to be a POC.
Yeah just adding spiderman to be gay in the third movie with no hints or building on it feels like a tag in to me personally
@@jokehu7115 I couldn’t agree more, just make a new Spider-Man like they did with miles morales when they wanted a black Spider-Man, that way everyone gets what they want and no character had to be fundamentally changed to fit a selling point.
yeah there's a difference between representation and tokenism
@@JULIDINHO I mean, Miles Morales proves that multiple Spider-Men can exist in the same world, so it's perfectly reasonable that one of the people that gets bit happens to be gay.
@@charliekahn4205 I think the point was making PETER gay without any buildup wouldn't be good. Plus the whole point of spider verse was that anyone can be spiderman as long as you do the right thing. So a gay spider-man isn't to far fetched.
My only problem with gay characters is the producers not giving them any personality besides gay character like you could at least give them a love story that makes them feel like a person like steven universe was good because it wasnt just gay space rocks they were gay yes but they had character feelings and personality
Yeah, I notice cartoons do a better job of representing people with out relying on stereotypes.
@@ollDeadfishllo I heard a theory that because it's shows targeted at kids, they have to tell their best to tell mature stories in the most friendly way possible. Like instead of being on the nose they gotta write concepts of depression, body confidence, PTSD into metaphors and scenarios kids can understand. Again mentioning steven universe, when talking about handling anxiety they used butterflies and fusion to deliver the message of moving through your emotions. They have to put a lot of effort into writing something meaningful and hopefully educational, which often makes the final product better handled than a lot of adult stories.
Yes
@@kingsaracoon9594 Also A Lot Of LGBT People Are Artistic And Creative So Quite A Few People Who Work On Cartoon Know How To Write Gay Characters Compared To Shows With Actors And Actresses
The fact that there are 23 MCU movies and counting and there isn’t a SINGLE gay character is horrible. Not one gay character in the entire marvel cinematic universe and there is a rumor about ONE gay character and suddenly it’s pandering to an audience. Shits so funny
nah its fine
@@ProjektTaku oh, I guess you accept that people fighting over a rumor is stupid, I'm glad! /s
@@kennethfajardo9102 what do you mean?
@@ProjektTaku what’s fine?
@@aaliyahstark7948 I'm confused
I kinda wish shows and movies would show more gay relationships-
Like both gay and lesbian relationships are valid of course but it just comes off as weird to me that there are more lesbian representation than gay representation.
I feel like it would balance it out and show that guys can like other guys-
I'm horrible at explaining things so I hope I didn't come off as weird or offensive- qwq
90% of wlw representation is wrote it in a joke or to be the male gaze for children, as a wlw, try again mate
tbh lesbian rep is a double edged sword bc lots of times it's for men to just "lesbians hot lol", but damn it I also want a mlm equivalent to the first time I saw genuine wlw rep because I happy cried and I hope mlm get that someday too (and ofc for bi people, trans people, etc)
Have you ever seen 13 reasons why ? By season 4 over half of the cast is gay. It's not a bad thing just very noticeable that all the male characters excep the main character, the guy dating the feminist and the main jock character are gay, in the main cast that is.
also asexual representation in live action shows and movies
@Darling Vexa Art True, they messed up almost all of the likeable characters. And there weren't many to begin with