Progressivism's Breakdown Over Israel and Jews | Rabbi Joshua M. Davidson | December 22, 2023

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  • @vitacrown5806
    @vitacrown5806 10 месяцев назад +12

    Oh how I love to listen to a disappointed progressive jew these days 😂😂😂

    • @jfppp1
      @jfppp1 9 месяцев назад

      I hate to say it, but I agree. I’m a progressive, but I moved to the right ages ago, just because the left was doing so many awful things. Here are just some of them:
      - The campaign against free speech
      - Constant abuses of power that they would call tyrannical if the right did it to them
      - The misuse of science
      - Excluding poor whites from being considered marginalized, and in fact even working to disenfranchise them
      - Claiming that the sentence “All lives matter” is racist
      - The disappearance of class issues
      - The complete inability to figure out who their enemies are. Judith Butler, supposedly the smartest woman in the world (according to her fans), supports Hamas because “it’s part of the global left.” No, you idiot, it’s part of global jihad, and one of global jihad’s goals is to smash the global left.
      This is all going to end very badly.

    • @ShmullyBlesofsky
      @ShmullyBlesofsky 9 месяцев назад

      Exactly! I made a response video to speech. The reason why progressive Jews stuck with their movement even though it was full of hatred towards men towards white people towards America towards families, etc. etc. was because that hatred worked for them.
      Now understandably the progressive movement turned on the Jews and of course, there is zero self reflection from any of them.
      Progressive movement has essentially become a hate movement in the past 20 years and he needs to go somewhere and surprise surprise - it went on the Jews!

  • @marceld6094
    @marceld6094 7 месяцев назад +1

    Rabbi Joshua. You made a very true and wise speech worth its weight in gold! It's only too true!

  • @petewebb4380
    @petewebb4380 10 месяцев назад +9

    Am Yisrael Chai ❤

  • @annakortukov2845
    @annakortukov2845 10 месяцев назад +6

    Thanks for the speech Rabbi!

  • @mrmaxx4400
    @mrmaxx4400 10 месяцев назад +1

    Fine sermon Rabbi Davidson. I share your natural right to exist here and in Israel. I am shocked by the rise of antisemitism. So I will stand with you today. I am also rethinking my
    support for the shameful behavior of our progressive community. Thank you.

  • @JacobGluck
    @JacobGluck 10 месяцев назад +3

    Excellent and overdue speech. He endorses DEI and microaggression-aversion culture, which I disagree with, but is otherwise spot-on.

    • @wesleymarshall3741
      @wesleymarshall3741 9 месяцев назад +1

      I think he’s mistaken in viewing the DEI expression of progressivism as being universalist. An ideology that has in-groups (oppressed) and out-groups (oppressor) cannot be universalist. He asks for Jews to be accepted by DEI as an in group, but the very ask itself shows that DEI cannot be universalist. The elite schools that have made large investments in DEI seem to be the worst schools with allowing Jew hatred to not just fester, but to flourish. Even if Jews were accepted by DEI as an in-group, it would only be temporary, and Jews would again become targets at some point in the future by DEI ideology. Asking to be included under the DEI umbrella of protection seems like a fool’s hope to be targeted last.

  • @allanhavis46
    @allanhavis46 10 месяцев назад +5

    truly splendid, balanced, wisely heartfelt, and universally generous for all faiths

  • @Orlando-ym6hi
    @Orlando-ym6hi 10 месяцев назад +1

    Yes Rabbi Jesus also stood with the oppressed you got it right.

  • @stevenclark5965
    @stevenclark5965 10 месяцев назад +5

    What a voice of reason! Thank you so much!

  • @freehermanjose5816
    @freehermanjose5816 9 месяцев назад

    As a non-Jew who follows the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, as a political conservative, I stand with Israel.

  • @scottconnuck2632
    @scottconnuck2632 10 месяцев назад +5

    Great speech, Rabbi Davidson! Thank you!!!

  • @richardfishman7086
    @richardfishman7086 10 месяцев назад +8

    Welcome to the party, Rabbi. Better late than never. I fervently hope that all Jews unite against our enemies. This horror has demonstrated that the majority of leftist have either been unfortunately silent or vocally hostile to the Jewish nation and people.

  • @achievecollege
    @achievecollege 10 месяцев назад

    By far one of the best analyses of the current situation I've heard in more than 2 months.

  • @mdshett2
    @mdshett2 10 месяцев назад +2

    He had me until he talked about 'attention paid rightly to microagressions...' turned him off after that.

  • @ehyeh365
    @ehyeh365 9 месяцев назад

    Beautiful progressive take on this. Thank you rabbi! ❤🙏🌹. We are not so keen on the micro agression concept here I must say, but actually that may have been initially one of those kind and good ideas and concepts that got hijacked by entitled nut cases🤔… sad to see…

  • @flipshod
    @flipshod 10 месяцев назад

    "enviable financial security" doesn't really capture the power held by the ownership class (regardless of ethnicity -- and in which Jews are still the minority)

  • @jonathanfalik4812
    @jonathanfalik4812 10 месяцев назад +2

    So what is the action plan?

    • @davidbernstein8483
      @davidbernstein8483 9 месяцев назад

      Read the book "Woke Antisemitism"

    • @littlestbunny7
      @littlestbunny7 9 месяцев назад

      The old canard that criticisizing Israel and Zionism is antisemitic has been put to bed decisively since October 7th by Jews all over the world who are in the process of reclaiming our tradition and heritage from a regressive nationalist ideology that has failed to bring security to the Jewish people.
      All Zionism ensures, other than the domination of an entire people and perpetual insecurity for the remaining Jews of the Middle East, is that our people can never heal to the degree we must from the horror of the 20th century. Every time this happens, a wound that will (and must) remain partially open is nevertheless torn open anew to an insufferable degree.
      Masada 2.0 is not the way to secure the Jewish future, in case that isn't obvious by now. Our future is together.

  • @jamiel5844
    @jamiel5844 10 месяцев назад +3

    This is so well said. Great job Rabbi!!

  • @misstwizzletoes9421
    @misstwizzletoes9421 10 месяцев назад +3

    Well said-agree with everything here. Thank you.

  • @JoshuaFinancialPL
    @JoshuaFinancialPL 10 месяцев назад +11

    you are still desperately confused.

  • @jeffreysock
    @jeffreysock 10 месяцев назад +2

    Amen

  • @everythingandmore5537
    @everythingandmore5537 10 месяцев назад +2

    Rabbi. Reject US aid worth usd 14 billion. Its christian money.

    • @littlestbunny7
      @littlestbunny7 10 месяцев назад

      It's American money, because unlike Israel the United States is, at least in principle, a state of all its citizens.

    • @everythingandmore5537
      @everythingandmore5537 9 месяцев назад

      @@littlestbunny7 Jews should reject American money because it's not halokol.

  • @Flowerflorida122
    @Flowerflorida122 10 месяцев назад +1

    Peace for all mankii d🙏Thank you , Ranbi, for a meaningful and powerful sermon ! ☮️👍💐

  • @Marykraus
    @Marykraus 10 месяцев назад +5

    Shabbat shalom

    • @Marykraus
      @Marykraus 10 месяцев назад

      Yes, his words helped me a great deal. He is an outstanding person

  • @icenarsin5283
    @icenarsin5283 10 месяцев назад +2

    He is right. Israel didn’t start this. Let’s remember how this situation started. Palestinians initiated it when they left the middle east and settled in northern Europe. There they seized the lands and synagogues of the Ashkenazi. They organized pogroms and went onto create a Palestinian state in the Pale of Settlement. It is all their fault. They should suffer the consequences. Palestine is a settler colonial enterprise.

    • @everythingandmore5537
      @everythingandmore5537 10 месяцев назад

      Is he a real rabbi. He sounds like an atheist Zionist Jew dress up as a rabbi.

    • @Frank_Cohen
      @Frank_Cohen 9 месяцев назад

      Wow. You are far gone and are a perfect example of the uncompromising rejection of Israel's existence that has plagued "Palestinians" since 1947.

    • @everythingandmore5537
      @everythingandmore5537 9 месяцев назад

      @@Frank_Cohen From day 1 the Palestinians wanted a one state solution with limited Jewish migration from Europe. After 1948 they were willing for a two state solution on condition Palestinians be allowed to return to their villages in Israel proper. Even now if Israel had allowed the Palestinians to be evacuated to Israel proper, Hamas would have been defeated. Israel did not think strategically after October 7. Israel main aim has been to thin the Palestinian population and absorb their land. They are still using the Zionist strategy of Ben Gurion. I can't blame them because it works. Israel is happy to see increase anti-Semitism in the west. They want more Jews to emigrate to Israel. They rely on the biblical verses Jeremiah 15:17. The "push'" and "pull" strategy.

    • @icenarsin5283
      @icenarsin5283 9 месяцев назад

      @@Frank_Cohen I agree with you completely. Gazans need to learn from the successes of the PA. The PA recognized Israel and has been cooperating in security matters for decades to ensure the safety of Israel. The PA has been rewarded handsomely for its cooperation. Palestinians in the West Bank can now enjoy the tranquility of dozens of disconnected patches of land in the “A” zone connected through breezy checkpoints. They can appreciate watching Israeli settlements expand and get connected through exclusive highways. They are even afforded a privileged view of the “B” and “C” zones of the West Bank, through binoculars from their terraces. If only Gazans would aspire to such a dignified and joyous existence.

  • @Josh-uo6pq
    @Josh-uo6pq 10 месяцев назад +1

    Temple Emanu-El was once on the right side of history. It's sad to see what has become of Reform Judaism: little more than the Zionism fan club (in decline). Not all of us will continue to justify the unjustifiable. The situation has gone so totally far beyond the boundaries of reason and sanity that it would be unimaginable if we weren't watching it every day. Israel/Palestine needs to be a democracy of all of its citizens, with equal rights regardless of ethnicity or religion. Nationalism, both Jewish and Palestinian, will burn the entire country to the ground.

    • @BryanBridges7
      @BryanBridges7 10 месяцев назад

      ruclips.net/video/Ry6kpYFHnxs/видео.html

    • @littlestbunny7
      @littlestbunny7 10 месяцев назад

      I watch Corey's channel all the time and yes, there are people on both sides who are willing to live together whether in one or two states. There are also plenty of nationalists on both sides. The problem is nationalism being above the image of God, and both sides do it constantly.

    • @donstern4135
      @donstern4135 10 месяцев назад

      Your western ideas of democracy, pluralism and mutual recognition sound nice but fail to recognize most Palestinian and popular Arab sentiments and mindsets. The idea you espouse that this conflict is over land and a lack of pluralism rather than a rejection by most of Palestinian society of a Zionist/Jewish polity on our indigenous land shows how ignorant and delusional you truly are…you sir are a wealthy “ our crowd” Jew that apparently can’t be bothered with what “ natives” think other than to know that you know what they should they should think and what everyone else should think…enjoy your tea at The Four Seasons…don’t worry most of your progressive cronies see through your limousine liberalism and still do not accept you “ white oppressor”👿

    • @Josh-uo6pq
      @Josh-uo6pq 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@donstern4135Federalism or confederalism could accommodate the great diversity of the country, so long as both peoples wanted democracy. The struggle we now face is for democracy. I unapologetically stand with moderate Israelis and Palestinians who believe a state based on democracy and human rights is an improvement over Biblical and Quranic morality.

    • @donstern4135
      @donstern4135 10 месяцев назад

      @@Josh-uo6pq
      As a Zionist and Humanist I agree …but part of democracy is letting people choose…without letting any group use “ democracy” actually subvert it

  • @judaismtreasures9606
    @judaismtreasures9606 10 месяцев назад

    Erev rav

  • @littlestbunny7
    @littlestbunny7 10 месяцев назад +1

    The major problem with the Rabbi's sermon is the implication that Jews can't be oppressors. The Hebrew Prophets disagree. God Himself is an Antizionist for the better part of the Tanach. The Prophets warned that the old Jewish State would be torn down brick by brick on account of idolatry and radical injustice.
    Reform Judaism used to be based on the vision of the Prophets. We used to stand with the widows and the orphans: all of them. And now our Movement serves as a fig leaf for apartheid, and chooses to look the other way while the groundwork is laid for the ethnic cleansing of Gaza.
    Zionism has become the new Golden Calf. The idolatrous veneration of a geopolitical entity is our God now.

    • @donstern4135
      @donstern4135 10 месяцев назад

      God is an Anti Zionist…? You sir need better medication

    • @littlestbunny7
      @littlestbunny7 9 месяцев назад

      @@donstern4135 Yes indeed. JVP is SUPER tame compared to the Antizionist voices canonized in our tradition as sacred text.
      I don't care about Zionism one way or the other. The world is on fire and we need to grow up as a species, and I/P is a preview of what we can expect if we don't. Nationalism is childish and infantile in the case of Israel/Palestine, because infants truly don't have control of their behavior.
      Maybe one day they'll both grow up and decide that a human state or states is more important than continuing this insanity.

    • @BryanBridges7
      @BryanBridges7 9 месяцев назад

      Where in the Torah is God an anti-Zionist? God gives Abraham and the Children of Israel the Land of Israel and commands them to conquer it and settle it.
      You should read South African anti-Apartheid activist Benjamin Pogrund's "Drawing Fire" if you want to understand the true horrors of Apartheid and why the description doesn't describe the situation in Israel.
      And God promises to return the Jewish people to the Land of Israel: "I will restore My people, Israel. They shall rebuild ruined cities and inhabit them. They shall plant vineyards and drink their wine. They shall till gardens and eat their fruits. And I will plant them on their own soil, nevermore to be uprooted from the soil I have given them." (Amos 9:14)
      More than half the world's Jews live in Israel today, and most of them descend from refugees who had nowhere else to go. To be anti-Zionist until 1948 was a tenable philosophical position; to be anti-Zionist today is to deny a right of self-determination and national security to half the world's Jews--to prioritize the nationalism of another people over that of the Jews.
      When you speak about anti-Zionism in our sacred texts, I assume you are speaking about midrash of "the three oaths" in the Talmud (Ketubot 110b). Assuming that you follow halakhah as expressed in the Talmud, the oaths are aggadah and not halakhah, Israel was created by vote of the international community not in rebellion to the countries of the world, and given the pogroms and the Shoah I would argue that the world didn't keep their end of the oath.

    • @gamerbktroll
      @gamerbktroll 9 месяцев назад

      Hashem is an anti-Zionist? Are you intellectually dim?
      "כל ישראל יש להם חלק לעולם הבא, שנאמר (ישעיה ס', כ"א): ועמך כלם צדיקים לעולם יירשו ארץ, נצר מטעי, מעשה ידי להתפאר."
      In English, this translates to: "All Israel have a portion in the World to Come, as it is said: 'And your people shall all be righteous; they shall possess the land forever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.'" (Isaiah 60:21).

  • @Shellbee22
    @Shellbee22 10 месяцев назад +6

    Sir your speech sounds good but in real life it doesn’t work … have you looked in the streets lately? Have you listen to those three presidents? Clearly that’s all you need to know.

  • @fairalways
    @fairalways 10 месяцев назад +18

    Progressivism isn't breaking down. There is a cleaving in Judaism. I listen to this with sadness. I could go through it line by line, where oppression is clear yet purposefully blurred. I am older than this rabbi, and I have no room left for defensiveness by fellow Jews. I am not angry; I am deeply sad. This onion has far more layers than this single view by a defensive rabbi. I am open to discussion, but I refuse propaganda. I hear far too many 'but"s in this sermon, and not enough "and"s. Sharon going to the temple mount wasn't progressivism breaking down. Settlement pushes wasn't progressivism breaking down. The killing of innocents by my hand, the hand of Israel that represents me, isn't progressivism breaking down. Does Israel have the right to defend itself- absolutely. If you can't acknowledge the gulf between defense and oppression, please don't declare yourself a member of Hillel's tribe, of Tikun Olam. I know the difference between the Israel of 1948 and the Israel post-intifada, post Bibi. Progressivism? When have Israel's progressives been unified enough to create Rabin-type government?
    I'm just so sad.

    • @spencergilbard
      @spencergilbard 10 месяцев назад +2

      Isn't the tolerance of diverse opinions part of what makes Judaism great though?

    • @danielpincus221
      @danielpincus221 10 месяцев назад +5

      I've read Benny Morris and Ilan Pappé. Still, the progressive division of the world only into oppressor and oppressed leaves me cold.

    • @iditbes6962
      @iditbes6962 10 месяцев назад

      Israel doesn’t represent you. You don’t live there and don’t need to suffer the terror and manipulation that Palestinians imposes on Israel. They try very hard to delegitimate the existence of Israel as a Jewish state and create a situation where Israel can not protect itself using progressive ideas. You have no reason to be sad, you have a comfortable life in America.

    • @fairalways
      @fairalways 10 месяцев назад

      @@danielpincus221 I hear you. To me, the word "progressive" is blurry, if not a canard. It's a word begging depth. I just see some group of people who errantly marry themselves to the word "progressive". Far more meaningful words exist. (I've read the new historians as well. I feel capable of imagining a realistic sense of Israel's early landscape. I am not impressed by the depictions offered to date). I can see thousands if not millions of personal narratives, mass behavioral tribal conflagrations, outside interlopers, smugness, hurt feelings, and ever-smoldering embers fanned by morally righteous waiting for their moment. Ultimately, I question the realism of most actors. I feel deeply for all involved. That shouldn't define me as "progressive" but one who leads with humanism. (Perhaps one day that won't be the guiding light of the world's moral center. Perhaps it's already become sentientism.)
      When this is what I'm offered, when "the media" (in this case, a rabbi speaking beyond his congregation to YT) offers who can project their narratives the loudest or broadest, the fight for hearts and minds, hoping to will great powers in their stances, believing in their collective might versus great, cold geopolitical strategies. I'm just left sad.
      I am, after all, my own media here.

    • @fairalways
      @fairalways 10 месяцев назад +2

      @@spencergilbard I wish what you say was true. It is true among modern Jews; it isn't at all true the more dogmatic one gets. And Israeli politics has been dominated by the dogmatic for decades. This defines the cleaving of Judaism and what constitutes morality among Jews. Increasingly, Judaism is being cleaved into two camps: the Maccabees, who present survival as the highest value, and the followers of Hillel, of Judaism's version of the golden rule, of Tikun Olam-whose highest value is to heal and repair the world. Tell me: where do you see this rabbi's gaze in this sermon?