Go and teach them to Love what you love! It is was He sent us to do... Our lives are a process where we learn to Love God with everything and our neighbors as we learn to love ourselves
It seems Jack Deere has a completely different view of Paul Cain than both Mike Bickle and Rick Joyner. I’d love to see a response from Mike Bickle about all this. Mike to this day says Paul came to repentance before he died and had a true prophetic gift and an actual hunger for God even in his weakness and sinfulness. He definitely doesn’t characterize him as a false prophet or a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
Yeah, I was noticing that as well. And yet, it was refreshing to hear Rick Joyner talk about how he had to address Paul Cain's sin. And yet, I don't think Deere gets to the point of calling him a false prophet. Or maybe he does.
Yeah, I often think about that as well. It appears that God often uses people who are mixed bags, or even mostly bad. In my view, too many Christians seem to think only in terms of black and white, whereas in scripture there are so many examples of characters who operate in more of a gray area, like Samson, Lot and Noah getting drunk and "naked," Aaron building the golden calf, Saul, David and Solomon drifting into scandalous sins, the old prophet who lied to the younger prophet in 1 Kings 13, leading to the younger prophet's death, etc etc etc. In order to process this, it means you have to use a lot more nuance in your thinking and evaluation of somebody. When people fail to realize the nuance, and just scream "you are all false prophets" I think it allows those people to think of themselves as being on the good, pure, and right side and maybe overlook how they themselves often drift into gray areas about things. Not saying there isn't a way or time of actually dealing with shortcomings or even calling out somebody as an out and out scheister or false prophet.
not to mention that none of the prophetically gifted individuals mentioned were 'able' to call out these secret lifestyles in others, before damage had been done. Thats hard to understand.
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Love the podcasts, this was super helpful to hear Jack Deere’s perspective on Paul Cain. Thanks guys!
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Go and teach them to Love what you love! It is was He sent us to do... Our lives are a process where we learn to Love God with everything and our neighbors as we learn to love ourselves
It seems Jack Deere has a completely different view of Paul Cain than both Mike Bickle and Rick Joyner. I’d love to see a response from Mike Bickle about all this.
Mike to this day says Paul came to repentance before he died and had a true prophetic gift and an actual hunger for God even in his weakness and sinfulness. He definitely doesn’t characterize him as a false prophet or a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
Yeah, I was noticing that as well. And yet, it was refreshing to hear Rick Joyner talk about how he had to address Paul Cain's sin. And yet, I don't think Deere gets to the point of calling him a false prophet. Or maybe he does.
How do you explain someone walking in that level of power and also living in willful sin? How is it possible?
Yeah, I often think about that as well. It appears that God often uses people who are mixed bags, or even mostly bad. In my view, too many Christians seem to think only in terms of black and white, whereas in scripture there are so many examples of characters who operate in more of a gray area, like Samson, Lot and Noah getting drunk and "naked," Aaron building the golden calf, Saul, David and Solomon drifting into scandalous sins, the old prophet who lied to the younger prophet in 1 Kings 13, leading to the younger prophet's death, etc etc etc.
In order to process this, it means you have to use a lot more nuance in your thinking and evaluation of somebody. When people fail to realize the nuance, and just scream "you are all false prophets" I think it allows those people to think of themselves as being on the good, pure, and right side and maybe overlook how they themselves often drift into gray areas about things. Not saying there isn't a way or time of actually dealing with shortcomings or even calling out somebody as an out and out scheister or false prophet.
not to mention that none of the prophetically gifted individuals mentioned were 'able' to call out these secret lifestyles in others, before damage had been done. Thats hard to understand.