Yes! This really is baby JInjer. It's their first official music video from 2012 which they did themselves with the help of some friends. It's from the EP "Inhale, Do Not Breathe". It's so cool to hear the progression of the band. I still recommend "Outlander" and "Cloud Factory" to check out next.
I guess they always had that direction to the progressiveness. You are right, initial part of this song is the proof. But they became the real prog metal band when Vlad (bald bearded drummer) joined the band. All members of Jinjer (including former) are selftought, except Vlad. He has academic musical education as a pianist (you can check out the video where he's playing Rakhmaninov). And he's also a pretty skillfull guitarist. And he's a composer. In his drumming style you can easily notice jazz influences. Vlad gave Jinjer that impact and may be the knowledge how to switch up to the true progressive metal. And you know what? Eugene (bass), the chief of the band, was very satisfied with Vlad's impact. He said that he is the guy and the musician who made the band completed finally. He said that before Vlad he played the bass like if he was one-handed. Now he can play using all his abilities.
Generally speaking, you're probably right, though I Speak Astronomy, which I consider to be their most progressive track, was recorded while Dmitriy was still on drums.
Told you. And yes, I myself found very few of their songs ready to digest from the go, but, that's the fun in it, the additional value. You're drawn to them and eventually it all sinks in.
They had very prog aspirations from early on. I get the sense that they didn't so much look at it as prog as that they didn't have a sense of rigid lines between genres as folks in the West do, so it came naturally to work in a lot of jazz into their music. As to planning their career, Ukraine isn't really the kind of place that people make careers as professional musicians, especially in metal. That's slowly changing but it is kinda like how some cities spawn lots of musicians and others just don't. Also, Ukraine isn't hooked into the media infrastructure that the EU, America, Australia, Korea, and Japan are, so even once they started getting opportunities to do small tours in Eastern Europe starting in 2013 and 2014 making headway into the larger markets was slow. Signing with Napalm in I think 2015 accelerated that though. From what I've heard, Jazz (and I suspect maybe Latin music as well) were the only forms of more popular music tollerated by the Soviet Union, so there was a lot of jazz influence in popular culture. Also, having been an only slightly less all-in fan of Rammstein before I found Jinjer, there seems to be a big difference in terms of ego and competitiveness within bands hailing from the former Soviet block compared to western bands. (the members of Rammstein grew up in East Germany before the wall came down, while the members of Jinjer were young children at the very end of the Soviet era and their lives were more dominated by the aftermath of the Soviet collapse) The interplay between the different instruments is very tightly woven so that the same combinations of sounds very seldom happen the same way very often. Roman might play the same riff several times, but Eugene will play something different on the bass or Vlad will add in some different drumming or cymbals to break up the pattern. Which isn't the norm for more popular forms of pop, rock, and metal but to my ear they do a good job of balancing that complexity against making the music fun to listen to, as opposed to a lot of prog that doesn't really connect with me.
Well there was such a thing as "soviet rock". Do you familiar with that kind of music? By the way Tatiana in some old bootlegs performs some soviet rock songs. I can remember "Верю я" by Жанна Агузарова (the band Браво actually). But yeah, they had very clear raggae vibes. But there were different genres of rock music presented in Soviet Union. Even psychodelic shock rock (Звуки Му) :) ruclips.net/video/l6d7UTfEzQM/видео.html Try this, their frontman Pyotr Mamonov made unbelievable performances. The guy in the jacket and without any makeup on stage was way scarier than Marilyn Manson. He was very succesfull movie artist later by the way, true genius I'd say. But of course rock bands wasn't totally free with there art, especially if we are talking about the lyrics. There were alot of half-allowed bands. They existed, they were able to perform at some small venues. But they weren't welcomed when it comes to TV, or recording, or significant fests. Some other (not too much shocking) rock bands were welcomed more or less, even performed the OST to some movies or cartoons.
@@glebivanov6323 there was lots of stuff in the Soviet Union that wasn't officially acceptable to the regime. But like I say, that's just what I've heard. I don't know where the actual lines were drawn or how seriously those lines were enforced. It may have been largely a moot point from what the guys in Rammstein have said because unless one worked as a musician for the government, one was required to do an officially sanctioned job so it was basically impossible to be a professional musician.
@@j.f.fisher5318 You catch the main point. In SU every grown up person had to have some official job (or to get the education). Otherwise, if he rejected any job, he could be imprisoned. There weren't vacancies like "musician in a rock band". There were some musical ensembles (with vacancies) which could be a rock bands by nature. But if they were officially registered (and thus were able to offer an official job) they belonged to some department of culture and had to coordinate their art with some officials. And of course not each and every art could be coordinated, the censorship was pretty tough. Depending on the lyrics and visuals in most cases. The music itself wasn't as censored although there were boundaries of course. In reward department of culture paid them salary and provided relevant social benefits. There were few ways for the musicians in case they wanted to create something which wasn't welcome by the officials. Some of them worked as a professional musicians but not as a rock band. They could work on TV/radio or recorded music for some movies or cartoons. Or they could work in theatres or in philharmonic societies. And in their free time they performed some unofficial rock music. In the other case they had any other job. For example Mamonov was Scandinavian languages translator. And yeah, many of them tried to fit the boundaries of the censorship. The core of the Soviet censorship for the rock music was the money. And the access to the radio or TV. If you created the music which is not welcomed by the officials you hardly get paid. And you hardly get popularity, noone will hear about you except your friends. Theoretically. In practice some cool bands got popularity thanks to the rumors and unofficial recordings. My point is that the rock music existed in SU and was well known among the young people. And western rock music as well. My father was the fan of the Beatles in 70th. But yeah, some of that music wasn't welcome by the officials. Moreover the very concept of "Rock" was not welcome. This term was not generally used officially. Tatiana said that her brother introduced her to rock music. She mentioned about Ария as her first steps in rock. Ария is a late-Soviet metal band, something similar to Iron Maiden.
You always seem to hear the prog in their music, guess I never noticed as much, it just sounds cool to me. The Metalcore comes through for sure in their older work. I hear the talent just not quite refined into what they want it to be yet. It's the beginnings and they don't quite have their course set. Either way, it's solid music and important to their journey of self discovery and self identity. You also have to remember in these earlier songs, you are hearing a band put everything they have into it as they try to survive playing gig to gig hoping they can get a shower and a good meal. Lean times and their dedication is admirable and their drive to continue is evident. I am glad they don't have to worry about that anymore. Vlad has made a big impact on their music in ways they hadn't seemed to think of before. Still say you would like Sit, Stay, Roll Over 🤘
Outlander from this era is awesome color failure version is fucking great.... and anything off cloud factory is fucking great... the whole catalog is fucking great!!!!
When/if you ever do the video of A Plus or Minus (the video is a killer lyric video), you should follow it with Roman's guitar playthrough which really shows his shredding chops.
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Yes! This really is baby JInjer. It's their first official music video from 2012 which they did themselves with the help of some friends. It's from the EP "Inhale, Do Not Breathe". It's so cool to hear the progression of the band. I still recommend "Outlander" and "Cloud Factory" to check out next.
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I guess they always had that direction to the progressiveness. You are right, initial part of this song is the proof.
But they became the real prog metal band when Vlad (bald bearded drummer) joined the band.
All members of Jinjer (including former) are selftought, except Vlad. He has academic musical education as a pianist (you can check out the video where he's playing Rakhmaninov). And he's also a pretty skillfull guitarist. And he's a composer. In his drumming style you can easily notice jazz influences.
Vlad gave Jinjer that impact and may be the knowledge how to switch up to the true progressive metal.
And you know what? Eugene (bass), the chief of the band, was very satisfied with Vlad's impact. He said that he is the guy and the musician who made the band completed finally. He said that before Vlad he played the bass like if he was one-handed. Now he can play using all his abilities.
Generally speaking, you're probably right, though I Speak Astronomy, which I consider to be their most progressive track, was recorded while Dmitriy was still on drums.
Thanks for watching. Appreciated!
Told you. And yes, I myself found very few of their songs ready to digest from the go, but, that's the fun in it, the additional value. You're drawn to them and eventually it all sinks in.
Thanks for checking it out
Baby Jinjer! 🤘 💙💛
Thanks for checking it out
You might like their OMV Just Another from around 2016.Some pretty good breakdowns
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They had very prog aspirations from early on. I get the sense that they didn't so much look at it as prog as that they didn't have a sense of rigid lines between genres as folks in the West do, so it came naturally to work in a lot of jazz into their music. As to planning their career, Ukraine isn't really the kind of place that people make careers as professional musicians, especially in metal. That's slowly changing but it is kinda like how some cities spawn lots of musicians and others just don't. Also, Ukraine isn't hooked into the media infrastructure that the EU, America, Australia, Korea, and Japan are, so even once they started getting opportunities to do small tours in Eastern Europe starting in 2013 and 2014 making headway into the larger markets was slow. Signing with Napalm in I think 2015 accelerated that though.
From what I've heard, Jazz (and I suspect maybe Latin music as well) were the only forms of more popular music tollerated by the Soviet Union, so there was a lot of jazz influence in popular culture. Also, having been an only slightly less all-in fan of Rammstein before I found Jinjer, there seems to be a big difference in terms of ego and competitiveness within bands hailing from the former Soviet block compared to western bands. (the members of Rammstein grew up in East Germany before the wall came down, while the members of Jinjer were young children at the very end of the Soviet era and their lives were more dominated by the aftermath of the Soviet collapse) The interplay between the different instruments is very tightly woven so that the same combinations of sounds very seldom happen the same way very often. Roman might play the same riff several times, but Eugene will play something different on the bass or Vlad will add in some different drumming or cymbals to break up the pattern. Which isn't the norm for more popular forms of pop, rock, and metal but to my ear they do a good job of balancing that complexity against making the music fun to listen to, as opposed to a lot of prog that doesn't really connect with me.
Well there was such a thing as "soviet rock".
Do you familiar with that kind of music?
By the way Tatiana in some old bootlegs performs some soviet rock songs. I can remember "Верю я" by Жанна Агузарова (the band Браво actually). But yeah, they had very clear raggae vibes.
But there were different genres of rock music presented in Soviet Union. Even psychodelic shock rock (Звуки Му) :)
ruclips.net/video/l6d7UTfEzQM/видео.html
Try this, their frontman Pyotr Mamonov made unbelievable performances. The guy in the jacket and without any makeup on stage was way scarier than Marilyn Manson. He was very succesfull movie artist later by the way, true genius I'd say.
But of course rock bands wasn't totally free with there art, especially if we are talking about the lyrics. There were alot of half-allowed bands. They existed, they were able to perform at some small venues. But they weren't welcomed when it comes to TV, or recording, or significant fests.
Some other (not too much shocking) rock bands were welcomed more or less, even performed the OST to some movies or cartoons.
@@glebivanov6323 there was lots of stuff in the Soviet Union that wasn't officially acceptable to the regime. But like I say, that's just what I've heard. I don't know where the actual lines were drawn or how seriously those lines were enforced. It may have been largely a moot point from what the guys in Rammstein have said because unless one worked as a musician for the government, one was required to do an officially sanctioned job so it was basically impossible to be a professional musician.
@@j.f.fisher5318 You catch the main point.
In SU every grown up person had to have some official job (or to get the education). Otherwise, if he rejected any job, he could be imprisoned.
There weren't vacancies like "musician in a rock band". There were some musical ensembles (with vacancies) which could be a rock bands by nature. But if they were officially registered (and thus were able to offer an official job) they belonged to some department of culture and had to coordinate their art with some officials. And of course not each and every art could be coordinated, the censorship was pretty tough. Depending on the lyrics and visuals in most cases. The music itself wasn't as censored although there were boundaries of course.
In reward department of culture paid them salary and provided relevant social benefits.
There were few ways for the musicians in case they wanted to create something which wasn't welcome by the officials.
Some of them worked as a professional musicians but not as a rock band. They could work on TV/radio or recorded music for some movies or cartoons. Or they could work in theatres or in philharmonic societies. And in their free time they performed some unofficial rock music.
In the other case they had any other job. For example Mamonov was Scandinavian languages translator.
And yeah, many of them tried to fit the boundaries of the censorship.
The core of the Soviet censorship for the rock music was the money. And the access to the radio or TV. If you created the music which is not welcomed by the officials you hardly get paid. And you hardly get popularity, noone will hear about you except your friends. Theoretically. In practice some cool bands got popularity thanks to the rumors and unofficial recordings.
My point is that the rock music existed in SU and was well known among the young people. And western rock music as well. My father was the fan of the Beatles in 70th. But yeah, some of that music wasn't welcome by the officials. Moreover the very concept of "Rock" was not welcome. This term was not generally used officially.
Tatiana said that her brother introduced her to rock music. She mentioned about Ария as her first steps in rock. Ария is a late-Soviet metal band, something similar to Iron Maiden.
Awesome comment! Thanks for watching!
You always seem to hear the prog in their music, guess I never noticed as much, it just sounds cool to me. The Metalcore comes through for sure in their older work. I hear the talent just not quite refined into what they want it to be yet. It's the beginnings and they don't quite have their course set. Either way, it's solid music and important to their journey of self discovery and self identity. You also have to remember in these earlier songs, you are hearing a band put everything they have into it as they try to survive playing gig to gig hoping they can get a shower and a good meal. Lean times and their dedication is admirable and their drive to continue is evident. I am glad they don't have to worry about that anymore. Vlad has made a big impact on their music in ways they hadn't seemed to think of before. Still say you would like Sit, Stay, Roll Over 🤘
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Outlander from this era is awesome color failure version is fucking great.... and anything off cloud factory is fucking great... the whole catalog is fucking great!!!!
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When/if you ever do the video of A Plus or Minus (the video is a killer lyric video), you should follow it with Roman's guitar playthrough which really shows his shredding chops.
Rock on!
Jess oldscool jinjer!!! 🙌.. 😅 😎 🤘 🤘 Next stop no hoard of value luric Video!!!!!!!!
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Enjoying your Jinjer reactions!
More to come!
Great video reaction, plis react to Who Is Gonna be the One, live.
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Sentenced - no whan there.
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