@@PoorlineforevaKeep the Labor cheer squad going mate. It will come to a screeching halt when Albo Fudd the rest of his Loonie tunes get kicked out at the next election!😅😅
Kindness isn't stupid. I would argue it's more misplaced empathy so people can feel better about themselves. Thus, it is more of a narcissistic agenda. I believe it's been coined suicidal empathy can't remember who but it's quite an accurate observation .
Yep after 9 years o& Labour, broke and woke, state land and park# handed to aboriginals without consultation to the point that w3 are not allowed to walking in our own bush 😢 Unfortunately migrants and woke elite keep them in power.
@@flurryX The voice and treaty are two different things. On the "Road map" in the Statement from the heart, the treaty was not going to be necessary if the Voice got in. So yeah, indirectly you voted for the treaty, despite being warned over and over that they will push for a treaty if voice fails. I guess you're feeling pretty stupid right now. I don't blame you, I would too.
Not to mention the latest " bereavement tax" on probate fees. An increase of up to 650% on estates over three million dollars! Bloody disgusting cruel tax grab on grief stricken famlies by this grubby financially incompetent socialist Labor government.
I'd leave but my house (in regional Victoria) has lost a substantial amount of value because no one wants to live in Victoria anymore. Many units in Melbourne are worth less than they were 20 years ago. So not everyone can get out. I sure would if I had the money to.
All I can say is the people that voted labour in should be paying more tax than the ones that didn't vote the people are to blame for incompetent government workers
When are Australians going to get serious & hold the 🤡’s liable & personally accountable for all the wasted money & failed projects they continue to “piss up against the wall”?
I don’t know if people outside Victoria can ever fully understand what the Labor government here has done to us. The world’s longest lockdown is something I will never forgive Labor for.
This doesn't just happen in Victoria. As a Queenslander, I remember when the trains that were built in India for us, had to be changed because they couldn't go through out tunnels because of the Airconditioners built on top of the cabins.
A lot of people in Victoria don't know their millions from their billions. They seem to think that the unbelivably high land tax will only be around for a year or two more, and then we'll be back to normal. Some persistent ( if angry ) trouble-making journalist should crash a Tim Pallas press conference and just keep asking him "Why are you still here?". How does someone who has mismanaged a state's finances so badly for so long, get to keep doing it as though nothing at all has gone wrong?
Haven’t you noticed that the journalist who attend his press conferences are all from channel 7,9,10,SBS and ABC. They all ask him low ball questions and he gives them bullshit answers which they then report to victorians as “all is well”.
@@Liam-k8k You might want to fact check your comment. Internal immigration to Victoria is higher than any other state. That is not including overseas immigration. You can google the facts and figures and see for yourself. Just because Sly News wants to tarnish a Labor state with their constant drivel, doesn't mean it's true. People come here for a reason.
@@Liam-k8kStill lying about that? Victoria has higher internal immigration than any other state. Internal means people coming from other states. Use Google and fact check yourself.
Instead of fixing pot holes, they reduce the speed limits and erect "speed" cameras. We're paying for this and the bastards just had the audacity to up my rego. To 907.00 As a motorcyclist, I am diassapointed I hate this city and what its become.
Sadly much of our industry as James mentioned was decimated due to bad government policy of which both the big parties can share the blame . I'm retired now but worked in different industries over the decades, the majority of which have all gone bankrupt or left the country because it was just too hard to make a buck in Australia due to bad policy by government and huge costs to industry. One of the major industries we had was the car manufacturing industry that put a lot of benefit in to the country , not only with masses of jobs , but also a vast variety of jobs fron lower skill level workers to engineers , draughtsmen , metal workers , and masses of spin off companys dotted around the country that made components ........ You know before we lost our manufacturing and became reliant on China ! I remember our politicians saying they wanted us to become a trading nation , in ohher words they were quite happy to lose our manufacturing. I worked in the motor trade back in the 70's , we had ford , holden , chrysler, toyota , nissan , leyland and others that actually built cars in Australia , for Australians , they used Aussie component suppliers for the most part , they used Aussie steel in the car bodies , and back in early days , you could keave school go and work in a car plant , get married , have a family buy a car and house and retire, and chances are your kids had a job at the car plant too , those days are gone , 99% of those car plants went belly up or left the country for greener pastyres because it was too dam hard to make a buck here, because nearly every year local manufacturers where handicapped while importers where incentivised, and that all started with the john button plan . Welcome to Australia 2024.
This is where a lot of problems are…the public service personnel are dreadful. Tied up in red tape, shocking work ethic, and management must be woeful…
To be clear, all of the trains physically fit the tunnels, they are just not authorised to go in during normal operations. Designing the tunnel in such a way to allow all trains to use it in normal operations would require far more complex platform screen doors, and would either require older block signals to be installed in the tunnel, which would severely limit the capacity of the tunnel, or retrofit all older trains with high capacity signilling, which would include an astronomical cost. Essentialy, trying to allow all trains to use the metro would both add significantly to the cost of the project (in the range of hundreds of millions to billions of dollars) and significantly limit the usefulness of the tunnel.
Grainville NSW where the tracks were designed for a low speed yet Government kept raising the speeds and tonnage until the trains jumped the tracks and smashed into the Granville bridge The Government IS our problem the lazy yet arrogant parasites that populate it are the issue
Last time I was at Melbourne, > I thought I was in Hong Kong, Looks like Melbourne will BRING more bicycles and scooters > Instead of any other transport, lol. Yep, 2nd H.K.
~ The people who want free stuff ~ Union members who are guaranteed work on the Big Build until retirement. ~ Public servants ~ Anyone else on the gravy train
Peta where is your take on the slaughter of brumbies costing millions. Up to 8+ million and seems that Labor is going to spend even more to destroy those that are left.
No wonder Victoria is broke when our premier/s are cash splash happy with our hard earned money. Must be nice to get a wonderful wage and sit happy while watching your constituents suffering. I believe the government should have a ruling of if they are voted in they work for the people and when they are voted out they don't get the constant wage, they go back to a wage they earn at a normal every day job like the struggling people of Victoria.
Australia in general is going down the toilet, but Victoria is certainly leading the way. Imaging building a train tunnel and the trains don't fit ... clown world.
What happens when government planners think they know more than the contractors and force them to build something unusable, when the contractors and engineers know better...
What about NSW transport blunders. There was a rail project that was never finished and we were told that the Government learned some valuable lessons and then along came the River Cat Ferries that do not fit under bridges with passengers sitting on the top deck. The solution was to tell passengers to move to a lower deck when approaching a bridge. Victoria does not have a front row seat on these stuff ups as NSW has had some real doozies.
How on earth we suppose to lift ourselves from the hole that the labour created? And one government is buzzing themselves with changing name of our lake 😡
And as more and more money gets wasted our roads continue to crumble. I honestly wonder whether that is the plan - to stop maintaining Victorian roads to the point where they crumble away and no one wants to drive anymore. It's already like that in much of regional Victoria. I used to love driving but now I only take the car if there is a trip I absolutely have to make.
Why is everyone making a huge deal out of this all of a sudden? It's been in the plans since day one of the Metro Tunnel that only HCMT trains will go into the tunnel. The disadvantage is that it decreases flexibility, the advantage is that it means the new trains and the metro tunnel don't need to be confined by the antiquated design of the 150 year old train network we have. Firstly: Platform Screen Doors wouldn't work with our other trains. The Comeng's, Siemens, X'trapolis and HCMT trains all have different door arrangements that don't line up with each other. Therefore if we want Platform screen doors, then we can only pick one train for the doors to line up with. Secondly: Signalling. Our network has been using Automatic Block Signalling for over a century. It was decided to use the Modern CBTC signalling instead (What the government likes to call "High Capacity Signalling") to increase capacity. It would be very difficult and expensive to refit all the Siemens and X'trapolis trains with CBTC and basically impossible to refit the 50 year old Comeng's with CTBC. Thirdly: The HCMT's can't go anywhere else in the network because they are too long. The Pakenham/Cranbourne/Sunbury lines have all been modified to support the 7-10 Carriage HCMT's. Whereas the rest of the network only support up to 6-Carriage trains. It was a deliberate decision to design a dedicated train fleet for the Metro Tunnel so that the new tunnel and new trains can be designed using modern technology without needing to confine to the rest of our ancient train network. Sacrificing Flexibility gives us more Capacity. Just like how the new Sydney Metro wasn't designed with the old double decker trains in mind. These journalists that know nothing about trains or railways found some random thing to clamp onto and start making outrage about. Instead how about asking anyone who knows something about how trains work or read the Business Case for the Metro Tunnel which outlined exactly why they decided not to support other train types.
Why did we need platform screen doors? We have managed quite well without them before this. There are may major systems in the world that work quite well without them. Without them we could run any train type on the line. Then they opt for an orphan signaling system just for this line, when the trains still have to run on lines that are not equipped with that system to get to this line. Also without this signaling system we could run any train type on the line. As for building HCMT that are limited as to where they can run, did it never occur to the government to simply run more standard trains? Then to build this line with no direct interchange with any other city stations, including Southern Cross. It just beggars belief.
@smedleyfarnsworth263 PSD's increase safety, there have been a few incidents with people falling on tracks and the trespassers that we often get. If you don't think it's worth it, fair enough. The HCMT's can use both the old ABS and new CBTC signalling. CBTC is only active between West Footscray and Clayton (via metro tunnel) so outside of that they still use the old signalling system. And other trains will never need to run into the metro tunnel. The 70 HCMT's are more then enough for the Pakenham/Cranbourne/Sunbury lines, when it is time to replace them then we will design a train that can run into the metro tunnel. And if a freight train or out of service train needs to get from Sunbury to Pakenham, they will still be able to take the route via Flinders Street. The X'traplis 2.0 is the solution to "more standard trains" as its job will be to replace Comeng's on the Cragieburn/Upfield/Frankston lines. Also not all of our trains can run anywhere, the X'trapolis 1.0 cannot run passengers on Cragieburn/Upfield/Pakenham/Cranbourne/Sandringham. The Siemens cannot run passengers on any lines going through Burnley. As a side note, the HCMT's can be reduced to 6-Carriage sets so that they can fit on other lines. However the government decided on X'trapolis 2.0 instead to keep the Ballarat Train Factory which builds them open, as Alstom probably threatened to close shop if they didn't get a new order The "no direct interchange" is just false Town Hall Station directly interchanges with Flinders Street. State Library station directly interchanges with Melbourne Central station. They have different names because Metro Trains Melbourne and the 000 responders wanted them to be easily distinguishable.
Incredibly silly take - "Bascially none of your trains" actually meaning all the 70 new ones built for this purpose, and the only type which will operate on the line for the next 40 years? Gotcha...
Shouldn't the introduction story read.............. that five out of six Melbourne train sets will be unable to use the new Metro Tunnel. The reason................ The safety door barriers at each Metro Tunnel station are only designed for use by High-Capacity trains, which comprise just 65 of Melbourne's 460 train sets. Using the New Metro is ruled out for 85% of Vctoria's rolling stock
Its not a discovery. It was known form the beggining and the hit up is wrongly based. The metro tunnel was the first step toward a metro system with gated platforms. The new HCMT trains are made for this and of course the only ones that can use these platforms. Unfortunately with so much lagacy infrastructure it is imossible to have a sudden and extensive cut over. So a politcial beat up in this case based on poor understanding.
I despise the Victorian government as much as anyone does but development of the HCMT trains that will use the tunnel went hand in hand with development of the tunnel. It was no afterthought.
@@ivanfilippov6374 why would you make a tunnel system that fits only one type of train? The other three don't. Waste of taxpayer's money. Another labor, money laudering rort.
@@nathanhansford76 To increase capacity by not being tethered to the antiquated technology in the old trains. Instead of using the 100 year old signalling system, we can instead use modern "High Capacity Signalling" so that can run trains closer together. The old trains are not equipped with the equipment required for the new signalling system and it is easier to just buy new trains than to refit all of them. The HCMT's can be made 4 carraiges longer than our usual trains because the Metro Tunnel Supports trains longer than the City Loop and the rest of the network does. To increase safety we can add Platform Screen Doors, which can only line up to one type of train. The Metro Tunnel does not need to be a general purpose railway tunnel because Freight Trains, V/Line, Older metro trains etc will never need to use it as they can easily go around it via Flinders. Therefore we can tailor the tunnel and the HCMT's that compliment it to do the one job they are designed to do more efficiently by not bothering with the century old standards that govern our railway network
Duh. Aluminium smelters can't operate on intermittent supply. Anyone who knows anything about aluminium smelting could have told you that. The pretence of converting to so-called green supplies was always a sham - pretty words to appease the political class.
Up north we had a saying, every winter Victorians leave home and head north with a clean pair of undies and $5. They stay six months and don't change either.
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Labor can never get ahead of problem's because labor is the problem ...
DIMJIM
@@PoorlineforevaKeep the Labor cheer squad going mate. It will come to a screeching halt when Albo Fudd the rest of his Loonie tunes get kicked out at the next election!😅😅
@dominictucci6030 dream on dickjockey
Fudd will roll out his Victorian counterpart Porky pig ( alias Tim Pallas) to yell out " yibbidda, yibbidda, that's all folks!"😅
Is Jeff Kennett still around? He's cleaned up Labor's mess before....
"Stupidity" is being kind.
I looked that word up in the dictionary it had Dan Allen next to it?
Kindness isn't stupid. I would argue it's more misplaced empathy so people can feel better about themselves. Thus, it is more of a narcissistic agenda. I believe it's been coined suicidal empathy can't remember who but it's quite an accurate observation .
Victoria Perfect example of a labour socialist Utopia nightmare
Communist Utopia Nightmare led by chief commie Jacinta The Jacal Allan.
@@peterrech2307 When your idea of politics is coming up with school yard names 🙄
ahmen well put
@@peterrech2307she NEVER WORKED IN HER ENTIRE LIFE.
ALWAYS MILKING PUBLIC MONEY JUST PLAYING POLITIC.
THE HIGHEST WAGES FOR THE POOREST STATE
Yep after 9 years o& Labour, broke and woke, state land and park# handed to aboriginals without consultation to the point that w3 are not allowed to walking in our own bush 😢 Unfortunately migrants and woke elite keep them in power.
Speed doesn’t kill in Victoria the potholes do, wake up Victoria
Immigrant drivers too
@@LucienCanonChinese
@ActiveAussie2024 it's all of them
@@ActiveAussie2024 I’d say the Aboriginal drivers do got to Bourke in NSW . They can’t see over their brand new 4x4s
No money to fix them no money for services just keep bleeding the taxpayers to pay for uselessness.
All Jacinta Allan's interested in, is a treaty, disregarding the fact that the majority of Australians voted "NO".
You voted no to the voice. The treaty was going forward if the voice didn't pass, so you actually voted for the treaty.
@gjw45 um NO WE DIDNT MUPPET
The first step "The Voice" failed so no next step.@@gjw45
@@flurryX The voice and treaty are two different things. On the "Road map" in the Statement from the heart, the treaty was not going to be necessary if the Voice got in. So yeah, indirectly you voted for the treaty, despite being warned over and over that they will push for a treaty if voice fails. I guess you're feeling pretty stupid right now. I don't blame you, I would too.
The Jacksta is a carreer politician with scabs on her knees
let me guess... ccp trains will fit in the tunnel...
Dan has already teeded them up at a small cost to u the taxpayer
Spot on
Labor land tax is fckd. How do we stop this rubbish.
A vote of no confidence with all on board this government is beyond useless.
Stop VOTING LABOR
There are certain technicalities around the law that can be exploited to minimise the amount you pay in land tax.
How do you stop it? Easy. Buy in another state like NSW. You will pay 3 times more for the property, but it solves the problem of land tax.
Not to mention the latest " bereavement tax" on probate fees. An increase of up to 650% on estates over three million dollars! Bloody disgusting cruel tax grab on grief stricken famlies by this grubby financially incompetent socialist Labor government.
We find money for stupid , idiotic , treaty's , but everything else is going under 😡
And no consultation with taxpayers for something so radical🤬
Everything labor touches goes to crap !!
We had to leave Daniel Andrews destroyed our lives.
I'd leave but my house (in regional Victoria) has lost a substantial amount of value because no one wants to live in Victoria anymore. Many units in Melbourne are worth less than they were 20 years ago. So not everyone can get out. I sure would if I had the money to.
I would leave but my entire family lives here in Victoria so I can’t…😢
@@looloo4029 you could do zoom calls from QLD ?
Dan the man destroyed Victoria and there is no accountability from Labor
We left on the day Andrews was voted back in after Covid.
Victorians are obviously stupid
All I can say is the people that voted labour in should be paying more tax than the ones that didn't vote the people are to blame for incompetent government workers
Its the bosses not the workers
Victoria the RE-Education State.
@@leopoldpoppenberger8692 Australia, the failed state.
>> KISS GOODBYE TO THE GOOD OLD DAYS Xi < Labor.
Labor can never get ahead of problem's because labor is the problem ...
Go back to Russia
When are Australians going to get serious & hold the 🤡’s liable & personally accountable for all the wasted money & failed projects they continue to “piss up against the wall”?
With a fool like Allan as the head, what do you expect?
It started with commo Dan
a Bimbo that has achieved zero in her entire life . Given the job by a despot who set her up yet she stupidly thinks shes relevant
Doesn’t matte4 who is the head from Dan to Allan, it’s the party that’s the problem but Victorians keep voting them in 😢
Was it any better when the previous premier was in charge?
No, vote them both out !
They keep voting them back in. If I lived there and could, I think I would get the hell out.
We don't have an opposition party in Victoria.
@@gregoryellsmore2095no we don’t but even they have to be bette4 than Labour? W3 have no money do not much they can do anyway
I don’t know if people outside Victoria can ever fully understand what the Labor government here has done to us. The world’s longest lockdown is something I will never forgive Labor for.
How do they keep get voted in ???
@@flurryXImmigrant vote of those who can't speak English.Labour hoovers them uo.
This doesn't just happen in Victoria. As a Queenslander, I remember when the trains that were built in India for us, had to be changed because they couldn't go through out tunnels because of the Airconditioners built on top of the cabins.
Why aren't these people in jail ?????
A lot of people in Victoria don't know their millions from their billions. They seem to think that the unbelivably high land tax will only be around for a year or two more, and then we'll be back to normal.
Some persistent ( if angry ) trouble-making journalist should crash a Tim Pallas press conference and just keep asking him "Why are you still here?".
How does someone who has mismanaged a state's finances so badly for so long, get to keep doing it as though nothing at all has gone wrong?
That's why that can't Dan did a runner the writing was on the wall.
Haven’t you noticed that the journalist who attend his press conferences are all from channel 7,9,10,SBS and ABC. They all ask him low ball questions and he gives them bullshit answers which they then report to victorians as “all is well”.
And then they leave with huge pensions and no consequences for their crimes and incompetence.
That’s why they leaving in the droves ,
3000 per week are leaving some 50 - 100 are coming in, mostly immigrants
@@Liam-k8k You might want to fact check your comment. Internal immigration to Victoria is higher than any other state. That is not including overseas immigration. You can google the facts and figures and see for yourself. Just because Sly News wants to tarnish a Labor state with their constant drivel, doesn't mean it's true. People come here for a reason.
@@Liam-k8kStill lying about that? Victoria has higher internal immigration than any other state. Internal means people coming from other states. Use Google and fact check yourself.
Geez, I thought our Queensland government was the dumbest, dumb and dumber! 😂
As a Victorian, I can confidently say Victoria is Australia's dumbest state. 😅
@IcanBePsycho especially the Labor voters.
Instead of fixing pot holes, they reduce the speed limits and erect "speed" cameras.
We're paying for this and the bastards just had the audacity to up my rego. To 907.00
As a motorcyclist, I am diassapointed I hate this city and what its become.
If you were inThailand
You wold be paying 2000bt /year 😮
Dan's legacy. Well, Victoria got what it voted for.
Drum roll: victorians voted Dan andrews/labor back in the 2nd time. You can't make this stuff up. 🙄
Government usually attracts the dumbest of the dumb people, judge them by what they do not what they say.
Their full of it from bothways.
Well I’m not proud of us right now
Love Your Channel. From the state of Wisconsin. USA.
Sadly much of our industry as James mentioned was decimated due to bad government policy of which both the big parties can share the blame .
I'm retired now but worked in different industries over the decades, the majority of which have all gone bankrupt or left the country because it was just too hard to make a buck in Australia due to bad policy by government and huge costs to industry.
One of the major industries we had was the car manufacturing industry that put a lot of benefit in to the country , not only with masses of jobs , but also a vast variety of jobs fron lower skill level workers to engineers , draughtsmen , metal workers , and masses of spin off companys dotted around the country that made components ........ You know before we lost our manufacturing and became reliant on China !
I remember our politicians saying they wanted us to become a trading nation , in ohher words they were quite happy to lose our manufacturing.
I worked in the motor trade back in the 70's , we had ford , holden , chrysler, toyota , nissan , leyland and others that actually built cars in Australia , for Australians , they used Aussie component suppliers for the most part , they used Aussie steel in the car bodies , and back in early days , you could keave school go and work in a car plant , get married , have a family buy a car and house and retire, and chances are your kids had a job at the car plant too , those days are gone , 99% of those car plants went belly up or left the country for greener pastyres because it was too dam hard to make a buck here, because nearly every year local manufacturers where handicapped while importers where incentivised, and that all started with the john button plan .
Welcome to Australia 2024.
What it also proves is the quality and intelligence of the public service.. 99% of the elected representatives are not capable of such decisions !!!!
This is where a lot of problems are…the public service personnel are dreadful. Tied up in red tape, shocking work ethic, and management must be woeful…
Trains don't fit in the tunnel ? Is there any chance to make smaller and skinny trains so they will fit going through the tunnels what a joke
😂
A joke.of a government indeed.
To be clear, all of the trains physically fit the tunnels, they are just not authorised to go in during normal operations. Designing the tunnel in such a way to allow all trains to use it in normal operations would require far more complex platform screen doors, and would either require older block signals to be installed in the tunnel, which would severely limit the capacity of the tunnel, or retrofit all older trains with high capacity signilling, which would include an astronomical cost. Essentialy, trying to allow all trains to use the metro would both add significantly to the cost of the project (in the range of hundreds of millions to billions of dollars) and significantly limit the usefulness of the tunnel.
@@chriseverett20Finally somebody with a brain. Very rare in the Sly News comments.
'The best thing in Victoria is the road out'. An oldie but a goodie.
Two good things about Victoria the hume to NSW and the western Highway to SA
4:14 The road out might be the best thing about Victoria if it wasn’t in such a state of disrepair! No good until you actually cross the border.
In N.S.W.s we still see car number plates with, “Victoria, the Education State.” Is this misinformation?
Dont confuse the word education with facts.
Yes , an education in the on-going incompetence of the Left when they have been in government for years and years !
Its not the 1st time they have messed up the train specs. Mind boggling
Grainville NSW where the tracks were designed for a low speed yet Government kept raising the speeds and tonnage until the trains jumped the tracks and smashed into the Granville bridge The Government IS our problem the lazy yet arrogant parasites that populate it are the issue
Last time I was at Melbourne, > I thought I was in Hong Kong,
Looks like Melbourne will BRING more bicycles and scooters > Instead of any other transport, lol. Yep, 2nd H.K.
You should have gone to Specsavers. There are no double-decker trams in Melbourne.
@@JackRichardsonM8 There was no mention about trams.
I'm guessing it was the fact that 90% or more of the people in the CBD these days have black hair? It is rather jarring.
We are the complete underdogs. But who are the morons that keep voting them in?
~ The people who want free stuff
~ Union members who are guaranteed work on the Big Build until retirement.
~ Public servants
~ Anyone else on the gravy train
Daniel DUNNY Andrews destroyed Victoria and he should finish in the COURT and jail for that 🆘🆘🆘🆘🆘🆘🆘🆘🆘
And now they need a death tax to help pay for their blunders
Along with all the property taxes to pay for their incompetent corrupt debt that's killing investment in the state useless government...
Along with every other tax that's killing the state shame Dan allen shame.
Peta where is your take on the slaughter of brumbies costing millions. Up to 8+ million and seems that Labor is going to spend even more to destroy those that are left.
Discussion with All is left in the rain 😢😢😢😢😢so sad
Yep that pretty much sums up Vic Labor, useless
And who put andrews and labor in? That's right the people of victoria!
UFB
Un effin believable!
New chinese trains to come... anyone ??
Yes, the HCMT trains which will use the tunnel are partly built in China
Victorians got the govt that they voted for .
All is well, I've just received another speeding fine. 2k over! Oh Danita, fine me again, it fells so right, so woke Victorian.
No wonder Victoria is broke when our premier/s are cash splash happy with our hard earned money. Must be nice to get a wonderful wage and sit happy while watching your constituents suffering. I believe the government should have a ruling of if they are voted in they work for the people and when they are voted out they don't get the constant wage, they go back to a wage they earn at a normal every day job like the struggling people of Victoria.
Australia in general is going down the toilet, but Victoria is certainly leading the way.
Imaging building a train tunnel and the trains don't fit ... clown world.
The Allen government is just more of the disastrous same!
Allan is complete and utter idiot like Andrews don't care about Victoria ns
What happens when government planners think they know more than the contractors and force them to build something unusable, when the contractors and engineers know better...
They did it on purpose
People keep voting them in - see the latest council elections
Are they smarter than a 3 year old ? .............. NOPE !
What about NSW transport blunders. There was a rail project that was never finished and we were told that the Government learned some valuable lessons and then along came the River Cat Ferries that do not fit under bridges with passengers sitting on the top deck. The solution was to tell passengers to move to a lower deck when approaching a bridge. Victoria does not have a front row seat on these stuff ups as NSW has had some real doozies.
Those accountable have left the room ... names!
What can I say those who kept voting for Andrews got what they deserve,,, Andrews started the rot and Allan has is continuing it,,,,😢
How on earth we suppose to lift ourselves from the hole that the labour created? And one government is buzzing themselves with changing name of our lake 😡
I'm Victorian and the way we can get things right is to vote out Labor and do it so hard it will take 20 years to get back in.
Another fine job Labor 👏
And as more and more money gets wasted our roads continue to crumble. I honestly wonder whether that is the plan - to stop maintaining Victorian roads to the point where they crumble away and no one wants to drive anymore. It's already like that in much of regional Victoria. I used to love driving but now I only take the car if there is a trip I absolutely have to make.
Alan?
Forget the trains they could turn it into a bicycle lane. 🤣
We saw it coming! Victorian government’s management of key projects issues has been appalling for years now. How did DA deserve an OA?
The same thing happened and is happening in NSW.
Why is everyone making a huge deal out of this all of a sudden? It's been in the plans since day one of the Metro Tunnel that only HCMT trains will go into the tunnel. The disadvantage is that it decreases flexibility, the advantage is that it means the new trains and the metro tunnel don't need to be confined by the antiquated design of the 150 year old train network we have.
Firstly: Platform Screen Doors wouldn't work with our other trains. The Comeng's, Siemens, X'trapolis and HCMT trains all have different door arrangements that don't line up with each other. Therefore if we want Platform screen doors, then we can only pick one train for the doors to line up with.
Secondly: Signalling. Our network has been using Automatic Block Signalling for over a century. It was decided to use the Modern CBTC signalling instead (What the government likes to call "High Capacity Signalling") to increase capacity. It would be very difficult and expensive to refit all the Siemens and X'trapolis trains with CBTC and basically impossible to refit the 50 year old Comeng's with CTBC.
Thirdly: The HCMT's can't go anywhere else in the network because they are too long. The Pakenham/Cranbourne/Sunbury lines have all been modified to support the 7-10 Carriage HCMT's. Whereas the rest of the network only support up to 6-Carriage trains.
It was a deliberate decision to design a dedicated train fleet for the Metro Tunnel so that the new tunnel and new trains can be designed using modern technology without needing to confine to the rest of our ancient train network. Sacrificing Flexibility gives us more Capacity. Just like how the new Sydney Metro wasn't designed with the old double decker trains in mind.
These journalists that know nothing about trains or railways found some random thing to clamp onto and start making outrage about. Instead how about asking anyone who knows something about how trains work or read the Business Case for the Metro Tunnel which outlined exactly why they decided not to support other train types.
Well my answer to that is if taxpayers are paying out the rear do the bloody job right to begin with.
@@georgekordis4268 What is the issue? Like I said they decided to sacrifice flexibility to increase capacity
Why did we need platform screen doors? We have managed quite well without them before this. There are may major systems in the world that work quite well without them. Without them we could run any train type on the line.
Then they opt for an orphan signaling system just for this line, when the trains still have to run on lines that are not equipped with that system to get to this line. Also without this signaling system we could run any train type on the line.
As for building HCMT that are limited as to where they can run, did it never occur to the government to simply run more standard trains?
Then to build this line with no direct interchange with any other city stations, including Southern Cross. It just beggars belief.
@@ivanfilippov6374 Flexibility does give rise to better capacity.
@smedleyfarnsworth263 PSD's increase safety, there have been a few incidents with people falling on tracks and the trespassers that we often get. If you don't think it's worth it, fair enough.
The HCMT's can use both the old ABS and new CBTC signalling. CBTC is only active between West Footscray and Clayton (via metro tunnel) so outside of that they still use the old signalling system. And other trains will never need to run into the metro tunnel. The 70 HCMT's are more then enough for the Pakenham/Cranbourne/Sunbury lines, when it is time to replace them then we will design a train that can run into the metro tunnel. And if a freight train or out of service train needs to get from Sunbury to Pakenham, they will still be able to take the route via Flinders Street.
The X'traplis 2.0 is the solution to "more standard trains" as its job will be to replace Comeng's on the Cragieburn/Upfield/Frankston lines. Also not all of our trains can run anywhere, the X'trapolis 1.0 cannot run passengers on Cragieburn/Upfield/Pakenham/Cranbourne/Sandringham. The Siemens cannot run passengers on any lines going through Burnley.
As a side note, the HCMT's can be reduced to 6-Carriage sets so that they can fit on other lines. However the government decided on X'trapolis 2.0 instead to keep the Ballarat Train Factory which builds them open, as Alstom probably threatened to close shop if they didn't get a new order
The "no direct interchange" is just false Town Hall Station directly interchanges with Flinders Street. State Library station directly interchanges with Melbourne Central station. They have different names because Metro Trains Melbourne and the 000 responders wanted them to be easily distinguishable.
The horsewoman of the apocalypse
Peta Credlin? I wouldn't give her that much credit
Incredibly silly take - "Bascially none of your trains" actually meaning all the 70 new ones built for this purpose, and the only type which will operate on the line for the next 40 years? Gotcha...
Same in America 😢
Amateur decade.........
Shouldn't the introduction story read..............
that five out of six Melbourne train sets will be unable to use the new Metro Tunnel.
The reason................
The safety door barriers at each Metro Tunnel station are only designed for use by High-Capacity trains, which comprise just 65 of Melbourne's 460 train sets.
Using the New Metro is ruled out for 85% of Vctoria's rolling stock
Why is that a problem? The 70 (they bought 5 more) HCMT's are more than enough to run metro tunnel services
Yes, it should read like you said. They are well aware that everybody will jump up and down without doing any research.
Meanwhile im still wrapping my head around how the Metro Tunnel services JUST 2 TRAIN LINES OUT OF 16
Arguably it's three - Sunbury, Pakenham, and Cranbourne, with the airport line to follow, if it's ever built.
People that I knew never voted Labour don’t know how they got in last time. They are so incompetent
Yay Victoria
Now we know why they increased the land tax
Oh well you’ve still got your football and meat pies 😩
There's always another agenda. Labour knows exactly who they're following
Ah Victoria, perfect once, but,long,long,long ago, but Australias biggest disaster EVER!!!!
Should of got western Australia to organise it for Victoria...they get jobs done
I ain't no Labor cuddler, but Peta, you and Tony didn't exactly cover your selves in glory with the 'floor show' you two put on?!
Typical labour blunders. This government needs to go.
It’s not all bad in Victoria- after all they’re working on a treaty.
Its not a discovery. It was known form the beggining and the hit up is wrongly based. The metro tunnel was the first step toward a metro system with gated platforms. The new HCMT trains are made for this and of course the only ones that can use these platforms. Unfortunately with so much lagacy infrastructure it is imossible to have a sudden and extensive cut over. So a politcial beat up in this case based on poor understanding.
Victoria is too busy being woke & protesting to be productive. One has to ask what engineer planned the tunnel? Or was it a DEI appointment???
The same thing happened in Sydney
They had trains built in Hong Kong
14 mm to wide
2019
Where is Alan Jones ???
It’s because the trains in the tunnels were just a second thought, the tunnels were built for other reasons. Iykyk.
I despise the Victorian government as much as anyone does but development of the HCMT trains that will use the tunnel went hand in hand with development of the tunnel. It was no afterthought.
@66secularist clearly not true or the trains would fit.....
@@nathanhansford76 The HCMT's fit, there's videos of them going through the tunnel
@@ivanfilippov6374 why would you make a tunnel system that fits only one type of train? The other three don't. Waste of taxpayer's money. Another labor, money laudering rort.
@@nathanhansford76 To increase capacity by not being tethered to the antiquated technology in the old trains.
Instead of using the 100 year old signalling system, we can instead use modern "High Capacity Signalling" so that can run trains closer together. The old trains are not equipped with the equipment required for the new signalling system and it is easier to just buy new trains than to refit all of them.
The HCMT's can be made 4 carraiges longer than our usual trains because the Metro Tunnel Supports trains longer than the City Loop and the rest of the network does.
To increase safety we can add Platform Screen Doors, which can only line up to one type of train.
The Metro Tunnel does not need to be a general purpose railway tunnel because Freight Trains, V/Line, Older metro trains etc will never need to use it as they can easily go around it via Flinders. Therefore we can tailor the tunnel and the HCMT's that compliment it to do the one job they are designed to do more efficiently by not bothering with the century old standards that govern our railway network
Ask about the hidden over spending in Jacinta’s shipping containers.
Tell us more.
They are geniuses 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 jail Dan Andrews
What do you expect - Jacinta Allan has made a mess of every portfolio she has controlled
Duh. Aluminium smelters can't operate on intermittent supply. Anyone who knows anything about aluminium smelting could have told you that. The pretence of converting to so-called green supplies was always a sham - pretty words to appease the political class.
Danistan. No one will be responsible. No one will remember who approved it. Who is surprised?
Only the Labor Party can invent new ways to balls things up!!!!
We’re selling up and leaving Victoria
This is making us a laughing stock in North Korea.
You’re stuffed Australia and you did it to yourselves
When one Premier in Victoria wanted to China’s Belt and Road initiative.. shame, shame, shame 🇦🇺
Up north we had a saying, every winter Victorians leave home and head north with a clean pair of undies and $5. They stay six months and don't change either.
They have farmed outthe parking infringement responsibilities to some private company here they don't even do that
Victorians Must Feel More "PAIN" before the STUPID goes Away (Vote the Bastards OUT 4EVER)💥🎯💥
They were never meant to fit into the tunnel.....that was the plan..
And yet the average Victorian don't have a problem with this Government..otherwise they wouldn't be in office😢
The average Victorian voter is obviously politically ignorant!