Додайте до всіх цих наступних тестів показання спідометра та тахометра (якщо він є) Add to all of these subsequent tests the speedometer and tachometer readings (if any)
Interesting ! Solenoid Duty shows that as soon as there is pressure, however slight, on the accelerator, thate solenoid is not free. It doesn't wait for skating to start / prepare the torque transfer. I'd be curious to be able to see it on other similar systems.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers 2 old videos on solenoid activity (the amount of electric current that drives this solenoid) on an X-Trail T30. It's more artisanal. ruclips.net/video/HGzeABug1W4/видео.html and ruclips.net/video/OGoB8w_rX0U/видео.html
@@Softroader Thanks, I know this vids, actually I am in contact with the owner for a long time, he has T31 now. Vitara has the same electromagnetic clutch-pack as X-Trail but it works completely different.
@@Softroader Don't waste your time on discussion about the modes, the one under today's video about interpretation of roller tests results. It's pointless, trust me.
@@madon999 Czyli Suzuki Ignis. Niestety nie mamy żadnego testu z takim napędem, ale wypadnie podobnie do tych: ruclips.net/video/7JXiHy-sJ44/видео.html
I wonder why the subaru forester 2006 with manual gear box and vcd didn't do as well as the legacy with vcd. Can someday explain? Maybe it didn't have rear locking differential?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers so would having no TC help or hinder chances of passing 3 rollers? I have JDM Legacy MT (Subaru specs call it VCD-F4WD) with no VDC, TC or other driving aids. Thx for your opinion 😉
@@mrme1812 If you have VDC (Vehicle Dynamics Control) then you have TC (Traction Control), that is necessary to pass lateral, diagonal or three roller test (unless you have some strong LSD). VCD (Viscous Center Differential) comes with manual transmissions.
Czasów nie mierzymy, to nie jest dobry wyznacznik. Co do samego rankingu, czy dane auto zjechało czy nie - pozostawiamy to widzom, z założenia nie chcemy dokonywać ocen etc. :)
So the true symmetrical AWD on the manual sedan lost to the typical-crossoverish AWD of the wagon with the CVT?:))) The myth is busted again or the traction control settings matters?
@@martinsvensson6884 It just means the half shafts are all the same length. Many other cars have unequal length shafts and this can cause torque steer and other issues caused by uneven distribution of power.
@@Elsonium You wont get any torque steer by sending different amounts to front compared to rear... and that difference should be miniscule if you dont have weak axles that twist excessivly or something. I mean how much do those axles twist?..... and for how long before they are at the same torque regardless? Since noone else of the manufacturers seem to care or have a problem with such torque steer I cant imagine it being very much....
Its mostly the fault of open differentials and nothing to imitate their function properly. Car with limited slip diff would never get stuck as there is guaranteed amount of torque sent to any wheel. Open diff just dumps it all where there is least amount of grip and when there is none nothing gets to wheel that actually has grip.(only amount thta gets successfuly delivered on slipping side would go to other side of the axle). VDC system on a but newer Subarus like XV tries to mitigate it but best solution overall is limited slip differentials like STI has. In real world it wouldnt get you stuck as there is always some grip on ice and snow rollers are most extreme scenario but a good test to show locking ability or imitation of this.
No, Subaru uses a chain driven CVT. Your Prius uses a Power Split Device which behaves like a CVT but in actuality is completely different in its operation.
CVT seems to be a bit better but for everyday use I do not like the way it works. If Subaru did change to automatic, it would sell better.
Jak ja się cieszę na ten odcinek! pare miesiecy nie zaglądałem a tu taka niespodzianka (dla wlasciciela OBK), świetna robota dzięki
Great compare video. As I mentioned before this happened to me while testing my 2010 LGT, same results. These tests are awesome! 👌👍
Good comparison. Had Outback with s-awd. Never was stuck, also in deep snow
I like this channel, very interesting and helpful, and I love to see some test with Ssangyong cars, especially the new Korando and Rexton.
Thanks. We are still looking for SsangYong cars..
Додайте до всіх цих наступних тестів показання спідометра та тахометра (якщо він є)
Add to all of these subsequent tests the speedometer and tachometer readings (if any)
It's not that easy but we'll see what we can do.
Interesting ! Solenoid Duty shows that as soon as there is pressure, however slight, on the accelerator, thate solenoid is not free. It doesn't wait for skating to start / prepare the torque transfer. I'd be curious to be able to see it on other similar systems.
I will do something similar with Suzuki Vitara, however it will be very similar except off throttle.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers 2 old videos on solenoid activity (the amount of electric current that drives this solenoid) on an X-Trail T30. It's more artisanal. ruclips.net/video/HGzeABug1W4/видео.html and ruclips.net/video/OGoB8w_rX0U/видео.html
@@Softroader Thanks, I know this vids, actually I am in contact with the owner for a long time, he has T31 now. Vitara has the same electromagnetic clutch-pack as X-Trail but it works completely different.
@@Softroader Don't waste your time on discussion about the modes, the one under today's video about interpretation of roller tests results. It's pointless, trust me.
Do you think the 3 wheeled test would have benefited from some brief application of the parking brake?
We tried that in Rav4 and Outlander, it didn't help...
Where we can buy those rollers?!
Custom made.
Mozna test Subaru Juicy? Lub ewentualnie podpowiedz, ktore Subaru z filmikow rowniez posiada ten naped. Pozdrawiam.
Rozumiem, że chodzi o Justy. Która generacja?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Tak Justy. 3 generacja.
@@madon999 Czyli Suzuki Ignis. Niestety nie mamy żadnego testu z takim napędem, ale wypadnie podobnie do tych: ruclips.net/video/7JXiHy-sJ44/видео.html
So....which one's Manual and which one Automatic transm.... ?
It's stated at the intro.
what does it mean when the tires are red on the graphic box?
It means that these wheels are on rollers (they don't have grip).
Thanks very video! Any change you could use same car, cvt, vs subaru legacy 3.6r
Thanks! 3.6 has different awd system, that would be interesting but so far I couldn't find such version.
would this be the same with a 2007 manual Legacy?
Does it have VDC?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I have no idea
@@troubauk That's crucial. Without VDC it will fail diagonal and lateral tests: ruclips.net/video/unJ_x-xyycM/видео.html
Достойно! Субару рулит! Универсал выглядит как конфетка!
I wonder why the subaru forester 2006 with manual gear box and vcd didn't do as well as the legacy with vcd. Can someday explain? Maybe it didn't have rear locking differential?
Legacy has VDC, Forester didn't have it.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers yeah but even with vdc off it passed over rollers that forester wasn't able to pass
@@ΔημήτρηςΤζιωτζιος VDC includes ESP and TC. ESP is off but TC remains active.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers so would having no TC help or hinder chances of passing 3 rollers? I have JDM Legacy MT (Subaru specs call it VCD-F4WD) with no VDC, TC or other driving aids. Thx for your opinion 😉
@@mrme1812 If you have VDC (Vehicle Dynamics Control) then you have TC (Traction Control), that is necessary to pass lateral, diagonal or three roller test (unless you have some strong LSD). VCD (Viscous Center Differential) comes with manual transmissions.
We're waiting a test for Subaru Forester sh 4eat 2009-2013. Hope you can find one to test... Thank you for all tests...
I am still looking for some volunteer with Forester SH...
Thanks!
Do one with the old 2005 Legacy 3.0R against the 3.0R Spec B since yoy guys never got the 2.5GT over there.@@4x4.tests.on.rollers
Powinniście zrobić tabelę z rankingiem (chociaż orietacyjnie).
Czy które auto nie zjechało z danej konfiguracji rolek, czy np. Czasy przybliżone
Czasów nie mierzymy, to nie jest dobry wyznacznik. Co do samego rankingu, czy dane auto zjechało czy nie - pozostawiamy to widzom, z założenia nie chcemy dokonywać ocen etc. :)
O ile sobie przypominam, to najbardziej rozczarowujący napęd 4x4 miał chyba Jag X-type. Niby miał napęd, ale tak jakby go nie było.
@@krzysztoftkaczX-Type miał po prostu otwarte dyfry i średnio działającą kontrolę trakcji. Były inne, dużo gorsze 🙂
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers zgadzam się. Tą kontrola trakcji robiła taką lipę. I tak jakoś zapadło mi to w pamięci.
Can you show a Outback B12 AT VDC? I like your videos!
Thanks! When it comes to Outback - so far I couldn't find any with AT, only CVT.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I have a Outback B12 with VDC.
So the true symmetrical AWD on the manual sedan lost to the typical-crossoverish AWD of the wagon with the CVT?:))) The myth is busted again or the traction control settings matters?
Imho there's more front/rear locking force in ACT-4 so it is easier for traction control to move the car.
"Symmetrical" AWD... haha.. who came up with that BS word and what does it even mean? Must have been some idiot att the marketing department.
@@martinsvensson6884 It just means the half shafts are all the same length. Many other cars have unequal length shafts and this can cause torque steer and other issues caused by uneven distribution of power.
@@Elsonium You wont get any torque steer by sending different amounts to front compared to rear... and that difference should be miniscule if you dont have weak axles that twist excessivly or something. I mean how much do those axles twist?..... and for how long before they are at the same torque regardless? Since noone else of the manufacturers seem to care or have a problem with such torque steer I cant imagine it being very much....
Its mostly the fault of open differentials and nothing to imitate their function properly. Car with limited slip diff would never get stuck as there is guaranteed amount of torque sent to any wheel. Open diff just dumps it all where there is least amount of grip and when there is none nothing gets to wheel that actually has grip.(only amount thta gets successfuly delivered on slipping side would go to other side of the axle). VDC system on a but newer Subarus like XV tries to mitigate it but best solution overall is limited slip differentials like STI has. In real world it wouldnt get you stuck as there is always some grip on ice and snow rollers are most extreme scenario but a good test to show locking ability or imitation of this.
Iam interesting subaru Just the Same cvt like in the Prius ? Because in my Prius wagon I love iT
No, Subaru uses a chain driven CVT.
Your Prius uses a Power Split Device which behaves like a CVT but in actuality is completely different in its operation.
@@meeder78 Thanks
In previous video the manual was able to pass all the tests. Why would one car pass and another not?
No, it wasn't able to pass three roller tests.
Sorry. I don’t know what I was thinking
@@stevenfarley6909 No problem 🙂
No witam Państwo
Dzień dobry.
I'll admit it... I wasn't expecting that.
That is?
So the ACT 4 with the CVT was actually better?
Yes, it has more front/rear locking force, so traction control has easier task to do.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thanks. Always a pleasure to watch your videos and discuss them.
👍
Wonder if there's any Subaru fan boys incoming? I mean S-AWD is awesome compared to that horrible Quattro... Right?
I drive a Subaru, but i know Quattro is a good system as well.
A wystarczy często trochę hamulca ręcznego ;)
Ale nie o to tu chodzi 🙂 Ręcznego, jak i nożnego próbowaliśmy w kilku testach (Outlander, Rav4, V8), nie pomogło.
This is the reason why some how auto is better off roader than MT
JK, right?
@@Ce0ammer I don't understand?
In Subaru AT implementations of AWD are just better, more advanced.
Good video, meh awd
Both failed.
The manual one failed because it didn't get off the rollers.
And the CVT failed because Subarus don't have CVTs. No cars do. Fuck CVTs.