For those wondering about Scan's final TvP tips/common mistakes: 1. Sieging all tanks in battles all at once (like marine stim in TvZ) - they all target the same protoss units like that. In TvP you are supposed to siege a few siege tanks at a time, to not have them all shoot at the same time. 2. Trying to hotkey vultures/tanks/goliaths on seperate hotkeys. It's not efficient / takes too much time.
@VeroMithril What do you mean by boxing? Using ctrl + click on one of the boxes of the control group to select all units of the same type out pf a group?
@VeroMithril Ohh okay but Scan did not suggest that, did he? Just that you should not group the same kinds of units together necessarily(to save time). Or did I misunderstand something?
Not only did I find out a lot more about TvP from watching this, but I also found out my Korean is better than I thought. "Fucking hell, a 37 year old foreigner?" He was amazed lmao.
dammmmmn i didn't know Artosis speaks Korean!!!!! He nailed it on the chat, holy crap. Just figured out he lived there for 14 years,, huge respect to this amazing man. His love towards to sc1 is real.... damnnnnnn
with coach: "hug the wall, move forward with vultures, backoff on storm, focus dragoons.... nice you won that battle" Without coaching "GOD DAMN PROTOSS IMBLAANCED I HAD HIM FUCK PROTOSS"
I love how scan gets excited for the opportunities that arise, and then is happy when they're properly taken advantage of. I usually hate having other people talk to me or tell me what to do when playing, but he seems like a good coach.
This is great, love to hear you both chat about the game while it’s happening. There’s so much subtlety to this game that the vast majority of us don’t even pick up on.
I remember watching this live the other day, and its so good the second time too haha GG I think it'd be interesting to watch a Starcraft Broodwar tournament with a Driver/CoPilot setup It'd probably have to be online or something but It'd be cool AF
Hug the wall when pushing out, take the marines from the bunket, don't siege all at once, make the cc in your base when you have the excess mineral, send a few vultures on raids, scan the natural expo for army size. Such great advice!
Biggest difference I see in this game compared to when he's played this exact position before is that he builds the CC immediately after taking the third and was way more active on the map harassing with the vultures. Usually he gets the third, doesnt plan for the fourth, then just sits there waiting for something to happen. He's also generally way slower with building the CCs. Also he should have taken Scan's advice and gone in for the natural as soon as he won that second major engagement at the third, but he said "fuck off i'm repairing my tanks". You can repair after you move your vultures you know? That's another thing point out to him often is that he is too passive and doesn't press his advantage.
Scan is awesome, what a bro, didn't know it was scan was on autoplay and he was like "scan is important at 7min mark, yes I'm important" and damn thats scan yo!
Good TvZers are used to microing groups of individual marines, stimming and using medics - this doesn't translate to TvP where they siege all of their tanks together with one hotkey, reducing army effectiveness and making the engagements bad. So what scan suggested is that you can apply the same TvZ skillet in TvP by individually sieging groups of tanks by box selecting 1-2 at a time after getting them to the right position. This is what I understood
@@kunparekh1838 Exactly if you go to 18:46 you will see Artosis sieges all tanks like 12 tanks for 8 dragoons..he only needed to siege one or two and he would have pushed, even without sieging any the damage is so high he would have lost max 2 ... but could have secured a better position. Technically he panics and overkills when it's not needed.
He was talking about it after end of this video, we was saying the comon mistake in TvP is sieging all tank's at same time and than tanks attacking at same time at same place, it is better to siege 2 tanks and 2 tanks and 2 tanks :)) That was it
shift and arrows i think is to change your keyboard language. Artosis potential was never a question, the problem is that he gives up too soon and doesn't give his all when laddering.
I really like the idea of coaches /trainers in esports. Would be interesting to watch a coached match in officail matchups maybe underdogs with the right trainer could add a lot more upsets. Or a coached Tasteless vs a solo Artosis ^o^
a few other comments say that it’s recommended to siege mode in small groups, not all at once like you would with stim. This is because Tanks will overkill if they all fire together, wasting dps. Staggered siege means they will most likely target something else when the first target dies.
You can watch the entire thing at Arty's twitch: www.twitch.tv/videos/917036413?t=01h52m08s (they played about 10 games that day). edit: this particular TvP is at 5:16:40 (last game in the video).
I am kind of surprised there are high ranking players out there that don't know who Artosis is. I get that he's the English speaking announcer, but still.
Artosis is definitely a better Terran than I am despite both of us being A rank, but I would still would like it if he would just follow Scan’s advice more directly instead of saying stuff like I wouldn’t do it if even told me to do it. The entire part of being coached is to do as you’re told by a more experienced and better player and get feedback on your play.
A bit yes, a bit no... You cant just change the way you play on the fly, if you do you just auto lose, because your whole games doesnt make sense. So when scan says early enginnering bay, the idea must sink in first. Like you wouldnt have lost that tank, etc. and if he does build enginnering bay early, the minerals will disappear from somewhere else... It is radical, smaller changes like building CC 3rd earlier are more easy to take in. The coeach gives you ideas, points of mistakes, areas where you can improve, there is no sense into making you a copy of his play, more even on this level where Artosis already has his own styl...
@@majormononoke8958 There is no point in having a coach if you’re just going to ignore most of their advice to begin with. If I’m gonna coach a C-B rank Terran and I tell him to do things a certain way and he just tells me well I wouldn’t do it even if person X told me to do it either, Then there is no point in having a coach if you aren’t going to take their advice. Scan isn’t breeding Artosis to become a carbon copy of him, but rather is trying to give him pointers(despite not being very good at explaining in a more detailed sense as to why) to help improve his overall playstyle. If you are afraid of losing ladder points and losing a match or two because you are being coached to play a different style then you are used to, then you shouldn’t bother getting a coach in the first place. The whole point is to take pointers and do as the coach says so you can later assess and decide on what you need to take into your gameplay from the coaching and so.
a few other comments say that it’s recommended to siege mode in small groups, not all at once like you would with stim. This is because Tanks will overkill if they all fire together, wasting dps. Staggered siege means they will most likely target something else when the first target dies.
![[ENG] ASL Season17 Ro.4 Match1 Sharp vs herO (Tastosis)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/v0TLo3rfQ3o/mqdefault.jpg)
For those wondering about Scan's final TvP tips/common mistakes:
1. Sieging all tanks in battles all at once (like marine stim in TvZ) - they all target the same protoss units like that. In TvP you are supposed to siege a few siege tanks at a time, to not have them all shoot at the same time.
2. Trying to hotkey vultures/tanks/goliaths on seperate hotkeys. It's not efficient / takes too much time.
thanks man
Thank you so much! I was wondering about this! Artosis buried the lead!
The hotkey thing has gotten me in trouble a lot cause reinforcing your main army is too important to waste time proper grouping.
@VeroMithril
What do you mean by boxing? Using ctrl + click on one of the boxes of the control group to select all units of the same type out pf a group?
@VeroMithril
Ohh okay but Scan did not suggest that, did he? Just that you should not group the same kinds of units together necessarily(to save time). Or did I misunderstand something?
18:10 It's funny how Scan have the right to remind you that you're not maxout and should spend your money... without being BAN! lol.... Thx Scan!
Excellent coaching, scan is really likable, I definitely wouldn't mind seeing more games like this. GG Artosis.
Not only did I find out a lot more about TvP from watching this, but I also found out my Korean is better than I thought. "Fucking hell, a 37 year old foreigner?" He was amazed lmao.
19:01
"This is a common mistake, that terran players make .... "
Artosis : Choosing Terran?
Hahahahaha
scan make artosis more calm, even if it take more concentration from him, nice video keep it up
Yeah seriously! Artosis focus was ++ here!
finaly artosis get told to build command center faster
Chat was amazed. THIRD BASE BEFORE 40 MIN?
i wanted to pick up artosis and shake him! He invites a guy over to coach him and won't listen to him most of the time :D
And after that match, a new Guy In The Chat was born.
Guy In The Chat (GITC) a new abbreviation
"how old?"
"37"
"oh.."
He was probably thinking that he might die of old age if it’s a split map tvp.
The stream is much better with scan in there, great coach, good sense of humor.
Scan: I dont think I have to coach you anymore.
NOOO, that was such a nice game and Scan is such a good coach.
He's fun to listen to when he does Starcast TV stuff too. Good guy Scan.
dammmmmn i didn't know Artosis speaks Korean!!!!! He nailed it on the chat, holy crap.
Just figured out he lived there for 14 years,, huge respect to this amazing man. His love towards to sc1 is real.... damnnnnnn
with coach: "hug the wall, move forward with vultures, backoff on storm, focus dragoons.... nice you won that battle"
Without coaching "GOD DAMN PROTOSS IMBLAANCED I HAD HIM FUCK PROTOSS"
I love how scan gets excited for the opportunities that arise, and then is happy when they're properly taken advantage of. I usually hate having other people talk to me or tell me what to do when playing, but he seems like a good coach.
what rank are you
This is great, love to hear you both chat about the game while it’s happening. There’s so much subtlety to this game that the vast majority of us don’t even pick up on.
I remember watching this live the other day, and its so good the second time too haha GG
I think it'd be interesting to watch a Starcraft Broodwar tournament with a Driver/CoPilot setup
It'd probably have to be online or something but It'd be cool AF
maybe start it as an A rank tournament for training, except real time coaching being part of the rules
Scan coaching you was super fun to watch and learn from! More of this please!
Hug the wall when pushing out, take the marines from the bunket, don't siege all at once, make the cc in your base when you have the excess mineral, send a few vultures on raids, scan the natural expo for army size. Such great advice!
Idk why but this is one of the MOST ENTERTAINING video ice watched in awhile and it's on one of my favorite channels....heck yeah! Keep it up!
Hopefully he starts building comm centers this early in his future games
not today lol
Scan is so nice! I'd love to chill with him, I also learned quite a bit from his suggestions, thanks for sharing!
Biggest difference I see in this game compared to when he's played this exact position before is that he builds the CC immediately after taking the third and was way more active on the map harassing with the vultures. Usually he gets the third, doesnt plan for the fourth, then just sits there waiting for something to happen. He's also generally way slower with building the CCs. Also he should have taken Scan's advice and gone in for the natural as soon as he won that second major engagement at the third, but he said "fuck off i'm repairing my tanks". You can repair after you move your vultures you know? That's another thing point out to him often is that he is too passive and doesn't press his advantage.
Overall though really cool game, Scan is a boss, dont mean to be a negative nancy just wish Arty would play more like this normally.
I love how giddy Scan is. Awesome video
Scan is awesome, what a bro, didn't know it was scan was on autoplay and he was like "scan is important at 7min mark, yes I'm important" and damn thats scan yo!
Was watching scan on TV twitch long time. Always liked his play, but I didn't know him until this stream with Artosis. What a funny dude. :)
I like these videos with scan in them. Im always seeing arty rage clips but these are much more welcome to my eyes
Artosis's hate of protoss will never get old for me.
You've improved a lot arty from last time I watch scan coached you! im inspired to play more even tho im 30!
37 83
God Artosis looked GOOD in this match. Improving?
What a guy.
BROWN player is actually 2 guys. One guy plays with mouse while another guy is trying to multitask Artosis by printing messages with keyboard.
Damn! didnt know he was so good at reading korean, makes me kinda jealous
@VeroMithril im not really that far into his life story i just watch a few games here and there 😁
Reading korean is incredibly simple, it's spelled phonetically. And the guy was using very simple korean
@@TishGames
That's true it's an alphabet but you still have to understand the language too :D but after 13 years he should be lol
So, what was the tip Scan was gonna tell him about the difference between being good at TvP and TvZ?
yes what it was
Good TvZers are used to microing groups of individual marines, stimming and using medics - this doesn't translate to TvP where they siege all of their tanks together with one hotkey, reducing army effectiveness and making the engagements bad. So what scan suggested is that you can apply the same TvZ skillet in TvP by individually sieging groups of tanks by box selecting 1-2 at a time after getting them to the right position. This is what I understood
@@kunparekh1838 Exactly if you go to 18:46 you will see Artosis sieges all tanks like 12 tanks for 8 dragoons..he only needed to siege one or two and he would have pushed, even without sieging any the damage is so high he would have lost max 2 ... but could have secured a better position. Technically he panics and overkills when it's not needed.
He was talking about it after end of this video, we was saying the comon mistake in TvP is sieging all tank's at same time and than tanks attacking at same time at same place, it is better to siege 2 tanks and 2 tanks and 2 tanks :)) That was it
Love the chat in the beginning. Scan is such a great coach.
really enjoyed the Scan coatching. So much fun!
shift and arrows i think is to change your keyboard language.
Artosis potential was never a question, the problem is that he gives up too soon and doesn't give his all when laddering.
These coach videos are fascinating would love to see more!
Didn't know Scan spoke such good English. Does he have his own channel?
twitch.tv/skryoo1004
@@thingsforeverrr its only watchable if you pay?
@@beridledodopidop4822 apparently the vods are subscriber only yeah ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I wish Arty had the chance to play along with Scan more often, makes him enjoy the game much more
I see Scan, instant like.
Wow these type of videos are awesome. Love the live feedback.
I saw one comment that were written " hamster doctor confirmed" for the opposite protoss 😂😂
Rumors say that until this day, Scan is still about to tell what the terran mistakes against protoss are
caraio....por essa eu nao esperava!
Artosis became so good that the koreans can not believe he is not korean. He finally reached that level after all those years!
19:00
scan : this is a common mistake that a lot of terran playrers make. it's very common mistake
artosis : "CHOOSING TERRAN?"
I really like the idea of coaches /trainers in esports. Would be interesting to watch a coached match in officail matchups maybe underdogs with the right trainer could add a lot more upsets. Or a coached Tasteless vs a solo Artosis ^o^
Please invite Scan more! Best content ever!
These sessions are awesome!
What a great episode
Favorite video in awhile. Scan is so awesome. Gg arty.
When you ask scan to coach you and he teaches you how to change the language :D.
that was so cool! And Scan is an amazing coach!
Scan has the nice facility of intervening with comments, but not too often.
He's a great coach, which is rare.
Scan is so awesome
This was an awesome video! And kind of instructive too.
"For Tony".. "For Tony"... Man Special is the best
SCAN IS SO COOL!!!!!
Oh snap you met scan.
Damn, I know it's fun to see Artosis get mad and that he's got problems beating Protoss but he really is a good player
Win Key + Space changes your IME input btw.
Scan can be like: build turrets
And Artosis will say “what are you talking about”
Lol
DAAAAAAAAAAAMN i didnt know you live in Bundang! Thats where i used to live when i was a kid!
When does the next ASL start
We never got to find out why Terrans that are good in TvZ are bad in TvP
a few other comments say that it’s recommended to siege mode in small groups, not all at once like you would with stim. This is because Tanks will overkill if they all fire together, wasting dps. Staggered siege means they will most likely target something else when the first target dies.
You can watch the entire thing at Arty's twitch: www.twitch.tv/videos/917036413?t=01h52m08s (they played about 10 games that day).
edit: this particular TvP is at 5:16:40 (last game in the video).
Scantosis is pretty powerful
the tips he gave him idk if just in this vid made me way better in like two sessions...and im protoss
I loved this video. Good stuff.
Scan is such a fun coach.
The things I would do to be able to hang out with a friend in person
avisen a BAMBY que Scan esta en USA y ahora si puede retarlo con menos LAG....ya es hora de un SCAN VS DANDY....
Scan y artosis estan en korea bruh
Scan y Artosis ambos viven en Korea.
artosis is a GOD.
He busy typing while all his templar get EMPed
What an ending. I feel in love with life today.
is there a vod of this whole stream? i want to see it allllllll
That was very interesting and fun to watch. Scan is great :)
THIS WAS AMAZING!
Has coach - ignores him
Amazing win. Knocking out a Protoss player is like pulling teeth. They just won’t stay dead.
Dayum, didn't realize he was in my neck of the woods. Might have to try to immediately lose in a chat FFA
Scan rules XD Epic game tho, Arty! GG
19:09 "Choosing Terran?" .. 😂😂
SCAN THE MAN
Scan makes sure Artosis gets a third much earlier than what Artosis is used to
Maybe Artosis will understand>?
I am kind of surprised there are high ranking players out there that don't know who Artosis is. I get that he's the English speaking announcer, but still.
My favorite streams are with scan coaching
Opponent said at the end: fuck, it's real. Zzz
That ending was sick lol
Artosis is definitely a better Terran than I am despite both of us being A rank, but I would still would like it if he would just follow Scan’s advice more directly instead of saying stuff like I wouldn’t do it if even told me to do it. The entire part of being coached is to do as you’re told by a more experienced and better player and get feedback on your play.
Exactly. And insulting someone nice enough to be coaching you by saying I wouldn't even do that if this person told me to.
A bit yes, a bit no... You cant just change the way you play on the fly, if you do you just auto lose, because your whole games doesnt make sense. So when scan says early enginnering bay, the idea must sink in first. Like you wouldnt have lost that tank, etc. and if he does build enginnering bay early, the minerals will disappear from somewhere else... It is radical, smaller changes like building CC 3rd earlier are more easy to take in. The coeach gives you ideas, points of mistakes, areas where you can improve, there is no sense into making you a copy of his play, more even on this level where Artosis already has his own styl...
@@thomasbacon not insulting.
@@majormononoke8958 There is no point in having a coach if you’re just going to ignore most of their advice to begin with. If I’m gonna coach a C-B rank Terran and I tell him to do things a certain way and he just tells me well I wouldn’t do it even if person X told me to do it either, Then there is no point in having a coach if you aren’t going to take their advice. Scan isn’t breeding Artosis to become a carbon copy of him, but rather is trying to give him pointers(despite not being very good at explaining in a more detailed sense as to why) to help improve his overall playstyle.
If you are afraid of losing ladder points and losing a match or two because you are being coached to play a different style then you are used to, then you shouldn’t bother getting a coach in the first place. The whole point is to take pointers and do as the coach says so you can later assess and decide on what you need to take into your gameplay from the coaching and so.
아토시스 형님, 83년생이신 줄 몰랐습니다. 너무 어려보이셔서 한참 동생인 줄 알았네요.
But... what were the 2 common mistakes Terrans make???
a few other comments say that it’s recommended to siege mode in small groups, not all at once like you would with stim. This is because Tanks will overkill if they all fire together, wasting dps. Staggered siege means they will most likely target something else when the first target dies.
Nice game! Also that Korean opponent was super rude :(
to be fair, half the entertainment value of this vod was the rude player :P
He was just a troll lol. They use a meaner set of rules against foreigners but trolling nonetheless
love this scan helping, lol
protoss harass is going meta
Record coaching sessions, Great idea!!
Scan has amazing English!!
I like watching you play
what a great video
wow this was really cool
this is great man, damn
Do more of these coach sessions plox