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Perhaps the next theorem video could be why move sets (like mix attacking, fast physical, bulky special, etc) are close to everything or the Infernape theorem
One competitive use for Soak you didn't mention: It's used against ghost types on perish trap teams to prevent them from being able to switch out in Shadow Tag. Also, something that doesn't actually get any use, but a fun interaction: Double Shock can be used every turn with tera electric, since tera overrides all other type changes. You even get the 2x STAB boost every time, provided that you tera'd before using it for the first time.
@@HeroRaven I did that in Showdown AG with 6 Pyukumuku, but I think I replaced block with gastro acid, and I may or may not have also brought along two others each with z-bide and z-counter respectively. Did it win anything? No. Was it funny? Absolutely
Burn Up is in Scarlet/Violet's code, but the Pokemon who had it before (Arcanine, Moltres, Typhlosion) didn't get it back for some reason. Tera Fire Burn Up would have been legit. Soak Octillery is also one of the rental Pokemon in one of the Pokestar Studios movies, where you have to bypass the Majin's Dark/Ghost + Wonder Guard combo.
@@tabbender1232 Burn Up works in the exact same way as Double Shock (inflict massive damage at the cost of removing the user’s Fire/Electric type; can only be used with Pokémon with the Fire/Electric type intact). Tera Electric Double Shock can be spammed, so Tera Fire Burn Up would work in the same way had it not been axed from other Pokémon’s move sets.
@@tabbender1232you’re confusing Terra with Z moves, Z Burn up can only allow you to use burn up twice, while a terra burn up would work similar to terra double shock, use it till you faint
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On the topic of soak Gen 9 introduced an amazing user of it in Belibolt who gets STAB powerful electric hits against it's newly soaked enemy. And Belibolt even has access to parabolic charge so it can heal while doing SE STAB hits.
bellibolt's Soak+electromorphosis+parablic charge/thunterbolt/volt switch combo is consistently incredible and I have no clue why he didn't mention it.
The best application of Burn Up is probably that stupid strat where Shedinja Mimics Entrainment to pass Wonder Guard to Arcanie before it Burns Up in doubles. This makes it typeless and therefore immune to direct damage, but you'd never do that in a tournament.
@@twirlypanda it's specifically effects that would cause the _user_ to obtain wonder guard. receiving* wonder guard works fine, taking it does not *by this definition, receiver does not, ironically, receive the ability from the partner
Hey, you forgot one little guy that did manage to make use of Soak, all the way up in OU! Pyukumuku! It was used to be able to deal with bulky steels and poison types while also making mons like Kartana and Koko less threatening if they switched into it.
Zygarde occasionally used Camouflage to remove its usual weaknesses and gave Extreme Speed STAB, but it was far from its best option, and would remove STAB from its Ground- and Dragon-type moves.
Surprised they didn't mention this use of Camouflage + how the user's type changes depending on potential terrain. Zygarde using Camouflage against incoming Tapu Bulu would give Zygarde a grass resistance. granted this only works b/c zygarde has the luxury of needing one attacking move and is super gimmicky
One thing about Double Shock that wasn't mentioned is that, if you Tera Electric, you don't lose your Electric Typing, so you have a 120BP STAB move that you can freely spam. One other potential use for moves that change the target's type in doubles is targeting your partner instead of an enemy.
Soak is a vital piece of my catching assistant smeargle with its spore and false swipe. It also boosts the catch rate of net balls, which is really funny (either that, or I have the craziest, most specific luck ever)
Pyukumuku is probably the best user of soak in singles. It serves two roles: 1. Remove STAB from opposing Pokémon, making it easier to withstand their attacks. 2. Allow you to toxic poison Pokemon normally immune to it.
I feel they ditched Burn Up from Moltres in Gen 9 to prevent it from having a 100% accurate, 260 BP fire move with no drawbacks when going Tera Fire, without factoring in sun support, as when going tera, you don't lose your typing from Double Shock/Burn Up :(
Some of these moves actually have some uses in the Mystery Dungeon games thanks to the teammate aspect of them. For example in SMD you can bring a Soak user such as Lumineon and then use it on Shedinja (who in the MD games can have more than 1 hp) to make it immune to bosses like Groudon, then have a Transform user like Ditto or Mew use it on them & then basically be unbeatable as the bosses won't have any moves to counter them & will be forced to run away the whole fight or attack until they use Struggle. Speaking of Shedjina it's actually possible through lots of setup to get Shedjina to be typeless via Burn Up.
Eh, it's better to put Wonder Guard on an Arcanine via Entrainment, then have Arcanine use Burn Up, cause at least typeless Arcanine can take a hit or two (if Wonder Guard gets bypassed), and won't instantly faint the moment a sandstorm starts up or a status effect that causes damage is inflicted
Outside of competitive Soak is apparently really good, while I haven't tested this myself it apparently makes the Net Ball really good as it makes even non-water or bug types effected by the boosted catch rate after being hit by Soak. So for catching stuff in-game Soak is apparently incredible, making it actually good for something, even if you won't use it in a competitive singles environment.
A fun combo I used to use in the XY era was Doubles Partners Trev and Ninetales, which is also another aspect where Forest's Curse can come into play! With Ninetales setting up Sun with Drought, if you used Forest's Curse on *Ninetales*, you'd now have the not-yet-seen Fire/Grass type, which gave it resistance to neutral out what would normally be Super-Effective hits, and now it had STAB Solarbeams to blast the opponents with as well. Then, if ya needed to really hit the opponent hard, Forest's Curse on the opponents would make them take neutral damage or super-effective damage from Heat Wave from Ninetales!
There was a funny interaction with Trick-O'-Treat where you give Ghost type to a Curse set-up pokemon, mainly Steelix or Snorlax, and they end up chunking half their HP instead of getting a stat boost, Niche, but funny when it works
There's more to it too. So before becoming ghost when they use curse they are targeting themselves due to how the move works with non ghost types. However if they suddenly become ghost types they will use the ghost variant of curse instead. However since they still had to target themselves due to not being ghost before. This means not only do they lose half their health to inflict curse. But they inflict curse ON THEMSELVES
Not that this changes the move's viability, but you didn't mention that camouflage changes the type to that of the terrain (fairy, psychic, grass or electric). I mean, it's the whole idea of it.
Camouflage predates Terrains by 3 entire generations (and 4 generations before anyone actually *used* them) But yes, that is an application that actually does apply to Link Battles and should have been mentioned
@@misirtere9836 strictly speaking, it predates terrain _overrides._ the actual mechanic was introduced in the same gen, but outside of _maybe_ battle revolution if i'm remembering correctly, there's never been a way to set the default terrain of a link battle, so it's always been stuck on the normal-type urban terrain ... except, apparently, in gen v, where link battles defaulted to _ground-type_ terrain that conceptually has interesting applications, actually, since that means pokemon with the fairly exclusive access to nature power actually had access to 32 uses of earthquake in that gen. wonder if that ever got experimented with back then, esp. since that's the kind of niche thing simulators could easily miss for most of the gen's lifespan
Here's an interesting one that would be banned to Anything Goes if applied outside of Legends Arceus: The move Judgement. Specifically, Judgement when used by Arceus with the Legends Plate. What the Legends Plate does is that Arceus starts the battle as a Normal-Type, but whenever it uses Judgement, it changes type to whatever is super-effective against the target, THEN uses Judgement to always hit for super-effective damage. So yeah, a Pokemon with 120 stats across the board only needing a 120-power STAB move to hit EVERYTHING for super-effective damage AND it also changes said Pokemon's type for potential defensive applications. Have fun taking that on!
The best application of Trick-or-Treat is, if you use it on a pokemon using Curse, the added Ghost type changes it to the damage-dealing variant, but keeps the self-target, so your opponent will lose 50% of its max hp to make ITSELF lose 25% of its max hp each turn. Very situational (so it's usually not worth running), but quite strong (and funny) if you can pull it off.
Perhaps the next theorem video could be why move sets (like mix attacking, fast physical, bulky special, etc) are close to everything or the Infernape theorem
It's the same thing as burger joints saying fresh never frozen. never frozen doesn't mean not from the freezer lol, how are you supposed to store glorified TV dinners and hamburgers?
I love Forest’s Curse because it allows the goofy condition of making any non-grass Pokémon that’s already 4x weak to Flying (i.e. Heracross), Fire (i.e. Scizor), Ice (i.e. Gliscor), or Bug (i.e. Malamar) to become 8x weak to them. Skill Swap Wormadam-Trash affected by Forest’s Curse can even acquire Fluffy for a 16x weakness to fire. It doesn’t work for Trick-or-Treat since ghost is only weak to itself and dark, and both types only hit ghost and psychic for super effective damage
12:26 burn up is actually really good in hackmons where if give it to any pure fire and have that mons ability be wonder guard it makes it so nothing can hit you
One more example that comes to mind is Smack Down. The ability to remove an opponents flying typing and slam it with ground attacks is actually somewhat useful. Landorus is a great user in either form since it allows it to take an otherwise great answer in Skarmory or Rotom Wash and make it dead weight.
@@misirtere9836 He still used to review bad pokemon. He made videos on Beautifly, Dustox, Furret, Castform, Ledian after all. Idk why he changed that but it sucks, those videos were still funny and entertaining. The other videos are fine but how good was x vids were OG
Gen 7 ZU I ran a "type-change" themed team with Protean Frogadier and Kecleon. However, the star of the team was Eviolite Porygon with Toxic/Conversion/Foul Play/Recover. Conversion would make me immune to Toxic while Trace would make me immune to Electivire's Electric STAB, Rapidash's Fire STAB, etc. It was an incredible tank with ridiculous longevity. That's really the only one of these moves I have found extremely useful in competitive play (besides Roost).
i'm a firm believer in Eiscue as a singles mon, and one of its best uses in my time using it in Gen 8 was having Soak make pokemon 1) vulnerable to Freeze-Dry for chip, or 2) OHKO fodder for the Choice Band Rillaboom i switch in to revenge kill it, or get a free Knock Off/U-turn on
I had a Centiskorch in Gen 8 that used Burn Up with an Assault Vest set going as a Trick Room physical sweeper. The trick was that since Centiskorch has such strong Sp Atk naturally, the move is always gonna hit like a truck anyway. Because of that I invest in physical attack, and run Flare Blitz, Lunge, and Power Whip for coverage. With that, I spread his EVs in to maxing out Atk, and split between HP and Def. I don't really play competitively much, but I ran this against a friend in college who did and swept him. At the time he said he hadn't seen anyone run that, but that was early into SwSh, so I'm sure it's not that unique, but that's basically the only time I've used one of these moves.
Maybe with moves like Magic Powder (which came out at the wrong time for its potential), a trapping effect can be put in a la Pursuit or can't switch out at all, at least in Doubles
A strat I kept running into on showdown ladder back in the day was Pyukumuku who would spam Toxic and Recover who also had Counter just in case you try to taunt it. Worst of all is that if you get cocky and bring in a poison type thinking it can't hurt you, it'll just Soak you and seeing how this was paired alongside heavy hazard spam, switching wasn't the best option even after the soak.
I feel that one very important note was missing for Burn Up and Double Shock. If you Tera into Fire or Electric, you KEEP your typing. I ran Pawmot T-Elec with Choice Scarf on the OU ladder and it did really well. It’s a bit prediction reliant, but you can have Revival Blessing on it to shore up any unintended consequences.
What if the type changing moves get a buff that gives each and every one +4 priority? Maybe then they could be better than what they are now or it's just me and my own personal thoughts for how they should've worked.
If lanturn (or a better statted water/electric type) had access to soak, you could have a powerful catch-22 combo of soak+volt switch, grabbing momentum off of the opponent's switch out from soak, as they wouldn't want to keep their now-volt switch weak mon in. It could make for a really interesting combo, almost in reverse of the hypothetical magic powder+pursuit combo.
I have somewhat of a fond memory for Trick-or-Treat, because of how I used it this one time I was playing this fan game called Pokémon Academy Life Forever (A.K.A a Pokémon dating sim which contains quite a huge chunk of admittedly difficult Pokémon battles throughout) I remember during a double battle I had a pumpkaboo and a charmeleon on the field, and I was getting pretty banged up by my opponent's normal type moves And then I had the bright idea of using Trick-or-Treat on my Charmeleon to make it immune to those moves, and that won me the battle
Wolfe Glick showed in a tournament that if Pawmot goes Tera-Electric, it will not lose its typing on using Double Shock and can continue using the move.
Spore, Soak, False Swipe + Swords Dance Smeargle is my catch mon of choice. Soak allows you to False Swipe mons that are immune or resistant to it / allows you to Spore Grass types + Net Balls works on Soak mons. SD just to make False Swipe not take ages on certain mons.
Using Roost on Pokemon like Mew and Latias is ideal because of Imprison strategies. Among Pokemon with Imprison, Recover is the most common recovery move, followed by Roost, then Slack Off, and then Soft-Boiled. If you have access to multiple of these moves, you should use the one that is less common (assuming you’re not a flying type).
I once lost a VGC set due to a Lanturn using Soak on my Garchomp, which then used Discharge and paralyzed said Garchomp. That player ended up winning the tourney too.
Moves like these in a game with terra are hilarious, your opponent goes through this long epic cutscene to show off their amazing change in typing and you bonk them on the head and say "no."
I know this video is about changing types, but it's funny how Double Shock is best used with Tera Electric, which bypasses the type-removal part and just unleashes extra powerful Electric STAB.
In gen 3, there were a few cases of Smeargle running Transform to squeeze a little more value out of it. Even with its meager bulk, copying something like a Curselax and going boom is a real threat. Not something you can really rely on or recommend though.
I do really like the idea of Burn Up on mono-fire types. Turning you into a Pokemon without a typing is a really cool idea defensively, but the fact that you can't use the move again while the effect is active makes it very suboptimal for a Pokemon like Arcanine, who already only has room for 2 offensive moves on a defensive set that would use it like this. Its a great example of 5 move slot syndrome. Reflect Type is probably only a good idea on Mega Latias because the other users can simply use weakness reducing berries to a similar effect. You could argue that the mind games created from Reflect Type is better than a single use Colbur berry, so its definitely not unusable
Reflect Type is such an interesting move. I've used it before- specifically in Double Battles, to help counter an ally Pokémon's crippling weaknesses- but it's true that it doesn't have a lot of usefulness otherwise.
I'd like to see Z-Conversion come back as a signature move for Porygon-Z. Call it ConverZion, it will change its type to match that of its first move and give it a +1 to one stat based on its type. Elec boosts speed, Psychic boosts Sp.Atk, etc. Each subsequent use will be a +2 to that stat.
Ah yes, my favorite type of moves! It's just sad how they're unusable in serious play (´・ω・｀) At least the abilities are mostly usable, since they don't take a precious turn.
At least in Gens 6 and 7, Conversion would change the user to the type of any Terrain that was in effect. Using Soak on Poison types holding Black Sludge is cute. Also, nice reference at the end of the Magic Powder segment.
I think there would be potential for moves that sharply raised a stat while also adding another type to the user. For example, a move that sharply boosted speed and added Fire to the user would be quite nice, assuming it was a physical attacker who's base typing worked well with the addition of Fire in some way.
Does Camouflage not make you the type of an active terrain? That seems like a huge missed opportunity. It could even work in weather. Sun = fire, rain = water, sandstorm = ground, hail/snow = ice. If you manage to get sandstorm and rain up, you can make any pokemon with camouflage into a water ground type. How crazy would that be?
I used Soak a lot back on Gen 7 (Still do on Nat Dex) on my Unaware, specially defensive Pyukumuku in my hard stall teams That blob of snot could tank even Grassy Glides to the face and Toxic everything on return Then they´ll smugly throw a Steel Type to stop the carnage only to either get forced out so they don't get toxic'ed and raking spikes and stealth rock damage, or toxic'ed right away after being turned into a water type This felt specially devious when their Steel Type was their last pokémon and could only watch in despair
I have used Gourgeist’s Trick-Or-Treat to great effect in doubles by using it on my Normal type partners. Adaptability Porygon-Z has been the best recipient. Normal/Ghost is a fantastic combo both offensively and defensively.
Hey, I understand that you're exploring new video ideas and also agree that these ideas are indulging too. But is it possible for you to increase the frequency of "How GOOD is..... actually"? Really miss those man
With adding a type, can it "add" on top of the same type? Like, could I add grass to a pokemon that is also grass type? If so, that opens up some interesting play in doubles. You know how you get double STAB if you tera into the same type? If what I mentioned is the case, then you could also have a grass or ghost type, have it Tera into that same type, and have its partner pass over that type with a move, and thus achieve a triple stab boost. I'm guessing that's not how it works, though
I've seen someone use burnup paired with a mimicking Shedinja that copied a move to transfer its ability to a growlith. The growlith then becoming typeless was immune to all further damage.
I feel like conversion and conversion 2 would be super cool if it kept the original stab bonus for your original type and was given to fast Pokémon Like imagine switching into a close combat, getting hit and activating your weakness policy, then you out speed and use conversion 2, now your normal type is ghost type and has stab on its hyper voice and shadowball with a +2 and if they have download as an ability maybe even a +3 to special attack
I once used Conversion2 in a double battle in FRLG, and my Porygon turned into a Steel type. It was able to hold off three 'mons in a 2v1 until it finally fell.
Burn Up had a big niche in early Sun and Moon doubles. Burn-Up Arcanine was one of the very few reliable answers to the terrifying Celesteela. And since it had Intimidate and Snarl it was an excellent support Pokemon as well.
I just had an idea for a new move for this category, Cool Down 180 BP Special The use gathers all its ice energy and uses on the target. After use the user loses its Ice typing. This could be given to pokemon that benifet from shedding its Ice typing like Frosmoth or Lapris.
All due respect to the GOAT, but I knew BKC wrote the script when Bellibolt (a bulky electric-type with an ability that gives it a free Charge without the spDef boost when hit, and as a frog it's given Toxic and a lot of wonky moves usually reserved for Water-types) was completely ignored for "No one that uses Soak has any Grass or Electric moves to abuse it with" It's not a staple in OU but it's one of those guys that can punch above its weight; I can't say I have the competitive chops to back this up, but it might be a LITTLE better than the "I'm burning out on playing the same mons for the same roles all the time, so I'll throw " heat picks that Kev gripes about in his own videos. Maybe it can be a surprise bulky pivot that actually fulfills the role like two tiers above where it is, but I don't know if it's been seen in tournament.
Transform did have a competitive niche in Gen 8 on Mew sets using imprison plus block...not super common but worth mentioning. I got messed up by it plenty on ladder
I taught my Smeargle Squad Soak, Forest's Curse and Trick-or-treat. Out of the three, I like Trick-or-treat the best. Too bad that move and Forest Curse only affect one opponent, unlike Soak that affects more than one.
doubleshock main use really is due to the lack of any other good electric physicall move, its almost the double of the 2nd Pawmot can get with thunderpunch
Imagine if we got a move that was essentially using “Reflect Type” on your own team You use the move, you switch out and the Pokemon being switched in gains the previous Pokémon’s type And yes, this does mean that if any electric Pokemon gets the move then Electric Shedinja with Air Balloon will become a problem
I JUST realised ash unintentionally used soak on brock's onyx, and that's how he KO'ed it. Rather than "weakening" onyx to become vulnerable to electric he straight up used soak accidentally, all the way back in gen ONE
I would buff Conversion and Conversion 2 by giving a +2 stat boost at the same time as the type change happens. The stat that gets boosted depends on what type they transform into. For example converting into Rock or Steel would raise Defense. Converting to Flying would raise speed, etc.
I once used Soak Inteleon with Transform max HP Mew turning into max Attack and Speed Shedinja. Once I have a 400+ HP Water-type Shedinja on the field, I bring in Lightning Rod Manectric with Overheat to deal with pesky Electric- and Grass-type Pokemon. Takes a lot of set up, but if you pull it off, sweeping teams with a +6 Attack unkillable Shedinja makes it all worth it.
12:10 know u speaking of hurricane, what if double shock and burn up had 80% acc, but only electric and Fire types got a 20% acc boots instead of only X type of mon being able to use this attack moves gimmick.
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Perhaps the next theorem video could be why move sets (like mix attacking, fast physical, bulky special, etc) are close to everything or the Infernape theorem
How good was Bronzong ACTUALLY? I have been asking for 3 years now. I am not giving up.
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One competitive use for Soak you didn't mention: It's used against ghost types on perish trap teams to prevent them from being able to switch out in Shadow Tag.
Also, something that doesn't actually get any use, but a fun interaction: Double Shock can be used every turn with tera electric, since tera overrides all other type changes. You even get the 2x STAB boost every time, provided that you tera'd before using it for the first time.
it's also hilarious in randbats with pyukumuku where you block, soak, toxic, and recover
@@HeroRaven I did that in Showdown AG with 6 Pyukumuku, but I think I replaced block with gastro acid, and I may or may not have also brought along two others each with z-bide and z-counter respectively. Did it win anything? No. Was it funny? Absolutely
Magic Guard tera electric Pawmot has saved me once in random battle mayhem
I imagine the same works for Burn-Up as well; it makes Pawmot a real hard hitter.
Wasnt Soak alomamola on stall toxic teams also used to allow immunities to be poisoned out?
Don't Self Destruct and Explosion turn the Pokémon into a Ghost Type?
They turn the user into a ghost, but not a Ghost type
In the same way that the evo stone Eevee uses to become a Ghost type is a brick, yes.
How do we know you both aren't dark types?
Turns em into "??? Type".
Turns the into "I'm taking you down with me!" type
Burn Up is in Scarlet/Violet's code, but the Pokemon who had it before (Arcanine, Moltres, Typhlosion) didn't get it back for some reason. Tera Fire Burn Up would have been legit.
Soak Octillery is also one of the rental Pokemon in one of the Pokestar Studios movies, where you have to bypass the Majin's Dark/Ghost + Wonder Guard combo.
Tera Fire Burn Up would still only be usable twice. Pre nerf Protean Burn Up would have been where it's at
@@tabbender1232 Burn Up works in the exact same way as Double Shock (inflict massive damage at the cost of removing the user’s Fire/Electric type; can only be used with Pokémon with the Fire/Electric type intact). Tera Electric Double Shock can be spammed, so Tera Fire Burn Up would work in the same way had it not been axed from other Pokémon’s move sets.
I miss the Pokestar studios. It was such a fun way to learn about more esoteric moves and move combinations
@@tabbender1232you’re confusing Terra with Z moves, Z Burn up can only allow you to use burn up twice, while a terra burn up would work similar to terra double shock, use it till you faint
@ I didn't know tera electric double shock can be spammed, that's weird. I thought the type you tera into got deleted as well.
This video has introduced me to so many moves I didn’t know existed. I don’t think I have ever seen reflect type be used in my entire life until now.
I see it ALL the time because hunting shiny Latias in Dynamax Adventures
Exactly why I clicked.
Dont use it it sucks
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الموقع لقراءة البيان كاملا: البشرى الإسلامية والنبأ العظيم
So many people never used starmie 🤧
On the topic of soak Gen 9 introduced an amazing user of it in Belibolt who gets STAB powerful electric hits against it's newly soaked enemy. And Belibolt even has access to parabolic charge so it can heal while doing SE STAB hits.
bellibolt's Soak+electromorphosis+parablic charge/thunterbolt/volt switch combo is consistently incredible and I have no clue why he didn't mention it.
The best application of Burn Up is probably that stupid strat where Shedinja Mimics Entrainment to pass Wonder Guard to Arcanie before it Burns Up in doubles. This makes it typeless and therefore immune to direct damage, but you'd never do that in a tournament.
don’t ability changing effects fail when attempted with a wonder guard pokemon?
And Is also a very specific case, to the point that is not viable to even consider it's use
@@twirlypandano
@@twirlypanda it's specifically effects that would cause the _user_ to obtain wonder guard. receiving* wonder guard works fine, taking it does not
*by this definition, receiver does not, ironically, receive the ability from the partner
Hey, you forgot one little guy that did manage to make use of Soak, all the way up in OU! Pyukumuku! It was used to be able to deal with bulky steels and poison types while also making mons like Kartana and Koko less threatening if they switched into it.
Zygarde occasionally used Camouflage to remove its usual weaknesses and gave Extreme Speed STAB, but it was far from its best option, and would remove STAB from its Ground- and Dragon-type moves.
Surprised they didn't mention this use of Camouflage + how the user's type changes depending on potential terrain. Zygarde using Camouflage against incoming Tapu Bulu would give Zygarde a grass resistance. granted this only works b/c zygarde has the luxury of needing one attacking move and is super gimmicky
Its pretty rare to see zygarde complete run extreme speed. 90% are coil sets
One thing about Double Shock that wasn't mentioned is that, if you Tera Electric, you don't lose your Electric Typing, so you have a 120BP STAB move that you can freely spam.
One other potential use for moves that change the target's type in doubles is targeting your partner instead of an enemy.
The fact that most of these are moves you likely never heard of is probably NOT a good sign for how good they are
Soak is a vital piece of my catching assistant smeargle with its spore and false swipe. It also boosts the catch rate of net balls, which is really funny (either that, or I have the craziest, most specific luck ever)
Yup. So useful for False Swiping ghosts or Sporing grass types, or removing STAB from powerful, hard to catch Pokemon that threaten to KO Smeargle
as a random nuzlock players, I can say that wonder guard conversion blastoise was the most terrifying thing I have ever faced
Soak plus net balls are broken
I never thought of that D:
Soak + Spore + False Swipe
Gigabrain
Wrong kind of poketism but yes
You're brilliant.
Pyukumuku is probably the best user of soak in singles. It serves two roles:
1. Remove STAB from opposing Pokémon, making it easier to withstand their attacks.
2. Allow you to toxic poison Pokemon normally immune to it.
I feel they ditched Burn Up from Moltres in Gen 9 to prevent it from having a 100% accurate, 260 BP fire move with no drawbacks when going Tera Fire, without factoring in sun support, as when going tera, you don't lose your typing from Double Shock/Burn Up :(
And then they made Chi-yu anyway
Considerin the last couple batches of the DLC's Pokemon, I REALLY don't think balance was a thought that occurred to them.
fun fact: Magic Powder is a powder move, so it can't affect grass types and Overcoat users
Also Safety Goggles I assume?
@@urkerab yes
If only there was a mechanic that made changing your type easier, maybe even actively in battle...
Damn, that'd be kinda busted...
what if we gave it to a ninja frog, a funky chameleon, a soccer bunny, and a magician cat?
Some of these moves actually have some uses in the Mystery Dungeon games thanks to the teammate aspect of them. For example in SMD you can bring a Soak user such as Lumineon and then use it on Shedinja (who in the MD games can have more than 1 hp) to make it immune to bosses like Groudon, then have a Transform user like Ditto or Mew use it on them & then basically be unbeatable as the bosses won't have any moves to counter them & will be forced to run away the whole fight or attack until they use Struggle.
Speaking of Shedjina it's actually possible through lots of setup to get Shedjina to be typeless via Burn Up.
Eh, it's better to put Wonder Guard on an Arcanine via Entrainment, then have Arcanine use Burn Up, cause at least typeless Arcanine can take a hit or two (if Wonder Guard gets bypassed), and won't instantly faint the moment a sandstorm starts up or a status effect that causes damage is inflicted
Outside of competitive Soak is apparently really good, while I haven't tested this myself it apparently makes the Net Ball really good as it makes even non-water or bug types effected by the boosted catch rate after being hit by Soak.
So for catching stuff in-game Soak is apparently incredible, making it actually good for something, even if you won't use it in a competitive singles environment.
Plus makes ghost types vulnerable to false swipe, and grass types vulnerable to spore
A fun combo I used to use in the XY era was Doubles Partners Trev and Ninetales, which is also another aspect where Forest's Curse can come into play! With Ninetales setting up Sun with Drought, if you used Forest's Curse on *Ninetales*, you'd now have the not-yet-seen Fire/Grass type, which gave it resistance to neutral out what would normally be Super-Effective hits, and now it had STAB Solarbeams to blast the opponents with as well. Then, if ya needed to really hit the opponent hard, Forest's Curse on the opponents would make them take neutral damage or super-effective damage from Heat Wave from Ninetales!
There was a funny interaction with Trick-O'-Treat where you give Ghost type to a Curse set-up pokemon, mainly Steelix or Snorlax, and they end up chunking half their HP instead of getting a stat boost,
Niche, but funny when it works
There's more to it too. So before becoming ghost when they use curse they are targeting themselves due to how the move works with non ghost types.
However if they suddenly become ghost types they will use the ghost variant of curse instead. However since they still had to target themselves due to not being ghost before. This means not only do they lose half their health to inflict curse. But they inflict curse ON THEMSELVES
Not that this changes the move's viability, but you didn't mention that camouflage changes the type to that of the terrain (fairy, psychic, grass or electric). I mean, it's the whole idea of it.
Camouflage predates Terrains by 3 entire generations (and 4 generations before anyone actually *used* them)
But yes, that is an application that actually does apply to Link Battles and should have been mentioned
@@misirtere9836 strictly speaking, it predates terrain _overrides._ the actual mechanic was introduced in the same gen, but outside of _maybe_ battle revolution if i'm remembering correctly, there's never been a way to set the default terrain of a link battle, so it's always been stuck on the normal-type urban terrain ... except, apparently, in gen v, where link battles defaulted to _ground-type_ terrain
that conceptually has interesting applications, actually, since that means pokemon with the fairly exclusive access to nature power actually had access to 32 uses of earthquake in that gen. wonder if that ever got experimented with back then, esp. since that's the kind of niche thing simulators could easily miss for most of the gen's lifespan
Here's an interesting one that would be banned to Anything Goes if applied outside of Legends Arceus: The move Judgement. Specifically, Judgement when used by Arceus with the Legends Plate. What the Legends Plate does is that Arceus starts the battle as a Normal-Type, but whenever it uses Judgement, it changes type to whatever is super-effective against the target, THEN uses Judgement to always hit for super-effective damage. So yeah, a Pokemon with 120 stats across the board only needing a 120-power STAB move to hit EVERYTHING for super-effective damage AND it also changes said Pokemon's type for potential defensive applications. Have fun taking that on!
The best application of Trick-or-Treat is, if you use it on a pokemon using Curse, the added Ghost type changes it to the damage-dealing variant, but keeps the self-target, so your opponent will lose 50% of its max hp to make ITSELF lose 25% of its max hp each turn. Very situational (so it's usually not worth running), but quite strong (and funny) if you can pull it off.
Perhaps the next theorem video could be why move sets (like mix attacking, fast physical, bulky special, etc) are close to everything or the Infernape theorem
As an Infernape fan, I am a big fan of the Infernape theorem
soak bellibolt is pretty nice in multiple tiers, and pawmot can use double shock with tera electric in pu
6:46 PorygonZ was banned from UU, not OU
Just so we are clear, when he says "Factor is never frozen" -- It LITERALLY comes frozen.
I mean, I can't find anything that backs that up so I'm assuming you just made it up
@@packyp3836that’s fair, but I’d also trust stepping on 99 nails before I trusted a RUclips sponsorship
It's the same thing as burger joints saying fresh never frozen. never frozen doesn't mean not from the freezer lol, how are you supposed to store glorified TV dinners and hamburgers?
You mean you don't assume that pretty much anything that sponsors RUclipsrs isn't false advertising, if not an outright scam?
@misteral9045 do you really think someone would do that? Just go on the Internet and tell lies?
I love Forest’s Curse because it allows the goofy condition of making any non-grass Pokémon that’s already 4x weak to Flying (i.e. Heracross), Fire (i.e. Scizor), Ice (i.e. Gliscor), or Bug (i.e. Malamar) to become 8x weak to them. Skill Swap Wormadam-Trash affected by Forest’s Curse can even acquire Fluffy for a 16x weakness to fire. It doesn’t work for Trick-or-Treat since ghost is only weak to itself and dark, and both types only hit ghost and psychic for super effective damage
How many years until “How great was Tyranitar Actually?”
You mean an updated one?
12:26 burn up is actually really good in hackmons where if give it to any pure fire and have that mons ability be wonder guard it makes it so nothing can hit you
One more example that comes to mind is Smack Down.
The ability to remove an opponents flying typing and slam it with ground attacks is actually somewhat useful. Landorus is a great user in either form since it allows it to take an otherwise great answer in Skarmory or Rotom Wash and make it dead weight.
Thousand arrows is basically smack down on crack
Something that you missed for doubles is soak Shedinja
when's Conversion 3 smh
Anyone else miss the How Good Was X Videos
Apparently this was supposed to be one for Trevenant until it got to the point of "oh... it's just kind of bad... and not even funny bad..."
They still come out every once in a while I believe
@@misirtere9836 He still used to review bad pokemon. He made videos on Beautifly, Dustox, Furret, Castform, Ledian after all. Idk why he changed that but it sucks, those videos were still funny and entertaining. The other videos are fine but how good was x vids were OG
My immediate thought: they're just like the weather and terrain moves: Immediately outclassed by abilities that do the same thing instantly.
True, except they’re far worse because the type change effect is gone if you/your opponent switches out depending on the move
@@facade6927 Yeah, the reality is even worse than my initial thoughts.
If gourgeist got pursuit, we'd be living in a better world.
16:19 no mention of soak shedinja?
I imagine it's a very unreliable strategy, so it isn't considered noteworthy.
14:44 Bellibolt actually will use soak on some occasions, I think its cool it gets the move in general
Leave my boy Octillery out of this 😤 Oct the goat
The most useful thing Soak has ever done was make it easier to catch Giratina by making it vulnerable to False Swipe.
14:27 that's so funny
I think Wolfe Glick found a work around with Double Shock Pawmot. Just tera it into Electric.
11:18 That was already touched upon in the video.
@@chaosgallade2331 Only in the visuals, not the script. Methinks it was forgotten about until later in production.
Gen 7 ZU I ran a "type-change" themed team with Protean Frogadier and Kecleon. However, the star of the team was Eviolite Porygon with Toxic/Conversion/Foul Play/Recover. Conversion would make me immune to Toxic while Trace would make me immune to Electivire's Electric STAB, Rapidash's Fire STAB, etc. It was an incredible tank with ridiculous longevity. That's really the only one of these moves I have found extremely useful in competitive play (besides Roost).
i'm a firm believer in Eiscue as a singles mon, and one of its best uses in my time using it in Gen 8 was having Soak make pokemon 1) vulnerable to Freeze-Dry for chip, or 2) OHKO fodder for the Choice Band Rillaboom i switch in to revenge kill it, or get a free Knock Off/U-turn on
13:41 Belibolt actually learns Soak, probably the best singles user of it I could think of
I had a Centiskorch in Gen 8 that used Burn Up with an Assault Vest set going as a Trick Room physical sweeper. The trick was that since Centiskorch has such strong Sp Atk naturally, the move is always gonna hit like a truck anyway. Because of that I invest in physical attack, and run Flare Blitz, Lunge, and Power Whip for coverage. With that, I spread his EVs in to maxing out Atk, and split between HP and Def.
I don't really play competitively much, but I ran this against a friend in college who did and swept him. At the time he said he hadn't seen anyone run that, but that was early into SwSh, so I'm sure it's not that unique, but that's basically the only time I've used one of these moves.
Maybe with moves like Magic Powder (which came out at the wrong time for its potential), a trapping effect can be put in a la Pursuit or can't switch out at all, at least in Doubles
A strat I kept running into on showdown ladder back in the day was Pyukumuku who would spam Toxic and Recover who also had Counter just in case you try to taunt it. Worst of all is that if you get cocky and bring in a poison type thinking it can't hurt you, it'll just Soak you and seeing how this was paired alongside heavy hazard spam, switching wasn't the best option even after the soak.
I feel that one very important note was missing for Burn Up and Double Shock. If you Tera into Fire or Electric, you KEEP your typing. I ran Pawmot T-Elec with Choice Scarf on the OU ladder and it did really well. It’s a bit prediction reliant, but you can have Revival Blessing on it to shore up any unintended consequences.
Lanturn DID use Soak in VGC at one point. Forgot the year and placement though...
What if the type changing moves get a buff that gives each and every one +4 priority? Maybe then they could be better than what they are now or it's just me and my own personal thoughts for how they should've worked.
If lanturn (or a better statted water/electric type) had access to soak, you could have a powerful catch-22 combo of soak+volt switch, grabbing momentum off of the opponent's switch out from soak, as they wouldn't want to keep their now-volt switch weak mon in. It could make for a really interesting combo, almost in reverse of the hypothetical magic powder+pursuit combo.
I have somewhat of a fond memory for Trick-or-Treat, because of how I used it this one time
I was playing this fan game called Pokémon Academy Life Forever (A.K.A a Pokémon dating sim which contains quite a huge chunk of admittedly difficult Pokémon battles throughout)
I remember during a double battle I had a pumpkaboo and a charmeleon on the field, and I was getting pretty banged up by my opponent's normal type moves
And then I had the bright idea of using Trick-or-Treat on my Charmeleon to make it immune to those moves, and that won me the battle
Wolfe Glick showed in a tournament that if Pawmot goes Tera-Electric, it will not lose its typing on using Double Shock and can continue using the move.
Spore, Soak, False Swipe + Swords Dance Smeargle is my catch mon of choice. Soak allows you to False Swipe mons that are immune or resistant to it / allows you to Spore Grass types + Net Balls works on Soak mons. SD just to make False Swipe not take ages on certain mons.
Soak doesn’t stop Explosion at all
@mr.sniffly5297 oh yeah, memory screwing with me
Kecleon off in the distance 👀
Z-Converion was such a nice niche for porygon
Using Roost on Pokemon like Mew and Latias is ideal because of Imprison strategies. Among Pokemon with Imprison, Recover is the most common recovery move, followed by Roost, then Slack Off, and then Soft-Boiled. If you have access to multiple of these moves, you should use the one that is less common (assuming you’re not a flying type).
It would be so fun to see a video off this about what mons could make these moves/abilities good (as best they can be)
I once lost a VGC set due to a Lanturn using Soak on my Garchomp, which then used Discharge and paralyzed said Garchomp. That player ended up winning the tourney too.
Moves like these in a game with terra are hilarious, your opponent goes through this long epic cutscene to show off their amazing change in typing and you bonk them on the head and say "no."
I know this video is about changing types, but it's funny how Double Shock is best used with Tera Electric, which bypasses the type-removal part and just unleashes extra powerful Electric STAB.
In gen 3, there were a few cases of Smeargle running Transform to squeeze a little more value out of it. Even with its meager bulk, copying something like a Curselax and going boom is a real threat. Not something you can really rely on or recommend though.
This is such an interesting topic choice, let's go Patrons!
I do really like the idea of Burn Up on mono-fire types. Turning you into a Pokemon without a typing is a really cool idea defensively, but the fact that you can't use the move again while the effect is active makes it very suboptimal for a Pokemon like Arcanine, who already only has room for 2 offensive moves on a defensive set that would use it like this. Its a great example of 5 move slot syndrome. Reflect Type is probably only a good idea on Mega Latias because the other users can simply use weakness reducing berries to a similar effect. You could argue that the mind games created from Reflect Type is better than a single use Colbur berry, so its definitely not unusable
The utility (or lack thereof) of these moves must be the reason that I've literally never heard of 80% of them until this video.
Reflect Type is such an interesting move. I've used it before- specifically in Double Battles, to help counter an ally Pokémon's crippling weaknesses- but it's true that it doesn't have a lot of usefulness otherwise.
I'd like to see Z-Conversion come back as a signature move for Porygon-Z. Call it ConverZion, it will change its type to match that of its first move and give it a +1 to one stat based on its type. Elec boosts speed, Psychic boosts Sp.Atk, etc. Each subsequent use will be a +2 to that stat.
Ah yes, my favorite type of moves! It's just sad how they're unusable in serious play (´・ω・｀)
At least the abilities are mostly usable, since they don't take a precious turn.
At least in Gens 6 and 7, Conversion would change the user to the type of any Terrain that was in effect.
Using Soak on Poison types holding Black Sludge is cute.
Also, nice reference at the end of the Magic Powder segment.
I think there would be potential for moves that sharply raised a stat while also adding another type to the user. For example, a move that sharply boosted speed and added Fire to the user would be quite nice, assuming it was a physical attacker who's base typing worked well with the addition of Fire in some way.
Does Camouflage not make you the type of an active terrain? That seems like a huge missed opportunity.
It could even work in weather. Sun = fire, rain = water, sandstorm = ground, hail/snow = ice.
If you manage to get sandstorm and rain up, you can make any pokemon with camouflage into a water ground type. How crazy would that be?
Yea it works in terrain even when it’s set up in link battles
This applies to gen 6 and 7
I used Soak a lot back on Gen 7 (Still do on Nat Dex) on my Unaware, specially defensive Pyukumuku in my hard stall teams
That blob of snot could tank even Grassy Glides to the face and Toxic everything on return
Then they´ll smugly throw a Steel Type to stop the carnage only to either get forced out so they don't get toxic'ed and raking spikes and stealth rock damage, or toxic'ed right away after being turned into a water type
This felt specially devious when their Steel Type was their last pokémon and could only watch in despair
I have used Gourgeist’s Trick-Or-Treat to great effect in doubles by using it on my Normal type partners. Adaptability Porygon-Z has been the best recipient. Normal/Ghost is a fantastic combo both offensively and defensively.
Hey, I understand that you're exploring new video ideas and also agree that these ideas are indulging too. But is it possible for you to increase the frequency of "How GOOD is..... actually"? Really miss those man
With adding a type, can it "add" on top of the same type? Like, could I add grass to a pokemon that is also grass type?
If so, that opens up some interesting play in doubles. You know how you get double STAB if you tera into the same type? If what I mentioned is the case, then you could also have a grass or ghost type, have it Tera into that same type, and have its partner pass over that type with a move, and thus achieve a triple stab boost.
I'm guessing that's not how it works, though
I've seen someone use burnup paired with a mimicking Shedinja that copied a move to transfer its ability to a growlith. The growlith then becoming typeless was immune to all further damage.
Soak Bellibolt on something is one of the best evilest tech one can do.
I feel like conversion and conversion 2 would be super cool if it kept the original stab bonus for your original type and was given to fast Pokémon
Like imagine switching into a close combat, getting hit and activating your weakness policy, then you out speed and use conversion 2, now your normal type is ghost type and has stab on its hyper voice and shadowball with a +2 and if they have download as an ability maybe even a +3 to special attack
I once used Conversion2 in a double battle in FRLG, and my Porygon turned into a Steel type. It was able to hold off three 'mons in a 2v1 until it finally fell.
Burn Up had a big niche in early Sun and Moon doubles. Burn-Up Arcanine was one of the very few reliable answers to the terrifying Celesteela. And since it had Intimidate and Snarl it was an excellent support Pokemon as well.
I just had an idea for a new move for this category,
Cool Down 180 BP Special
The use gathers all its ice energy and uses on the target. After use the user loses its Ice typing.
This could be given to pokemon that benifet from shedding its Ice typing like Frosmoth or Lapris.
All due respect to the GOAT, but I knew BKC wrote the script when Bellibolt (a bulky electric-type with an ability that gives it a free Charge without the spDef boost when hit, and as a frog it's given Toxic and a lot of wonky moves usually reserved for Water-types) was completely ignored for "No one that uses Soak has any Grass or Electric moves to abuse it with"
It's not a staple in OU but it's one of those guys that can punch above its weight; I can't say I have the competitive chops to back this up, but it might be a LITTLE better than the "I'm burning out on playing the same mons for the same roles all the time, so I'll throw " heat picks that Kev gripes about in his own videos. Maybe it can be a surprise bulky pivot that actually fulfills the role like two tiers above where it is, but I don't know if it's been seen in tournament.
In Gen 8 OU Mew could run transform and impsrison alongside a trapping move to basically force your own pokemon to struggle. It’s a real set afaik
I've used Trick or Treat in draft to counter a CurseLax. That was fun when my opponent realized they lost half their health instead of boosting up
I personally love using Forest's Curse with Trevenant because it allows me to follow up with a Poison Jab for a solid hit that can be SE.
14:53 The bellibolt erasure is insane
Burnup and Double Shock have a niche interaction where they are spammable when Terra'd
Transform did have a competitive niche in Gen 8 on Mew sets using imprison plus block...not super common but worth mentioning. I got messed up by it plenty on ladder
I taught my Smeargle Squad Soak, Forest's Curse and Trick-or-treat. Out of the three, I like Trick-or-treat the best. Too bad that move and Forest Curse only affect one opponent, unlike Soak that affects more than one.
doubleshock main use really is due to the lack of any other good electric physicall move, its almost the double of the 2nd Pawmot can get with thunderpunch
Imagine if we got a move that was essentially using “Reflect Type” on your own team
You use the move, you switch out and the Pokemon being switched in gains the previous Pokémon’s type
And yes, this does mean that if any electric Pokemon gets the move then Electric Shedinja with Air Balloon will become a problem
I JUST realised ash unintentionally used soak on brock's onyx, and that's how he KO'ed it. Rather than "weakening" onyx to become vulnerable to electric he straight up used soak accidentally, all the way back in gen ONE
I would buff Conversion and Conversion 2 by giving a +2 stat boost at the same time as the type change happens.
The stat that gets boosted depends on what type they transform into. For example converting into Rock or Steel would raise Defense. Converting to Flying would raise speed, etc.
I once used Soak Inteleon with Transform max HP Mew turning into max Attack and Speed Shedinja. Once I have a 400+ HP Water-type Shedinja on the field, I bring in Lightning Rod Manectric with Overheat to deal with pesky Electric- and Grass-type Pokemon. Takes a lot of set up, but if you pull it off, sweeping teams with a +6 Attack unkillable Shedinja makes it all worth it.
12:10 know u speaking of hurricane, what if double shock and burn up had 80% acc, but only electric and Fire types got a 20% acc boots instead of only X type of mon being able to use this attack moves gimmick.
Soak electromorphosis bellibolt can dish out some strong damage
Polygon got banned from ou?