This Michael Jordan PROPAGANDA Needs To Stop... (ft.
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MJ as a myth is better than MJ as a player lmao
Now your buggin
@@seankelly4594how though 💀
it’s fax
I feel the same way about Wilt lol, that 48 inch vert shit is so cap.
They’ve convinced themselves he had no flaws his entire career
Every year he somehow gets better, funny how that works.
FG attempts alone isn't allowing Mike to average 35 in his rookie year lmao. Ppl really don't use logic
That's why niggas who say Jordan will avg 40 a game are just a bunch of dummies who don't know math. It's triggering af.
Your logic is dumb
He averaged 28 in his rookie year.
They hear Michael Jordan and their brain turns off
@@WeKnowTheDifference in a faster paced era if I remember correctly?
You can have MJ as the GOAT.. but he’s by far the most overrated player ever.
This goes to show how much of a goat 🐐 Jordan is you have a bunch of youngsters talking about what he couldn’t do 🤣
Stop glazing, goddamn 🤦🏾♂️ MJ the GOAT but sheesh, you Jordan fans have ruined him for me
@@mo.magas824 If he’s ruined for you that’s your problem I’m just speaking the truth and it sounds like you can’t handle it let me guess you’re a youngster, right
@@puncho8799 what does that have to do with anything? 😂 I still know my basketball history, age don’t mean shit when you’re a true basketball historian lol
@@mo.magas824 Youngsters are the only ones that have a problem with Jordan’s legacy and tries to diminish it
@@puncho8799what did they say that was wrong? What did anyone in this comment say that was wrong?
Jordan propaganda is extremely real but he’s still the GOAT at the end of the day.
Yea. No
They ride Lebron all the time
Yea no
To you.
For you maybe
MJ propaganda?? Really? More like sports fans trying to debunk all the BS put out by Lebron and his Klutch agents that he is better than MJ. That's what's happening. The NBA has a GOAT. And he never lost at the championship level. Never got swept in the finals. Never chocked in the finals. Never stacked the deck. Never flops. Never said F the fans and sat out to "load manage." Never called himself the goat because his career proves that. Stop the BS! You fools pushing that other guy who did all of those things as the goat is the propaganda.
Lebron wasn’t even mentioned in this video and instead of actually addressing the conversation u wrote an essay saying y Lebron isn’t the goat…that’s how u know they speaking fax when u gotta write an essay on irrelevant shi🤣and btw MJ did get swept🤷🏽♂️
@@jps0583niggas didn't watch the vid bro. It's just mj fans, they see their lord getting some slight opposition and they go full attack mode. Niggas didn't even bring up bron.
Wtf u mean never got swept? Lmao. He was swept twice in the first round and is 0-6 vs bird. U can't even tell the truth about his career.
Facts he’s cemented and I grew up on Bron and only watched Wizards Michael Jordan. LeBron acts like a girl when moments get hard.
@@jps0583 I didn't mention a damn thing that wasn't a fact. MJ never did any of those things IN THE FINALS. Fact! James did all of those things IN THE FINALS. Fact! You calling it an essay and putting on your laugh emoji don't change a nothing about. We all know this panel of Lebron glazers are gonna unite to knock down MJ any chance they get and dismiss everybody as old heads. So what I said was very irrelevant fanboy. And btw, no MJ did not ever get swept in the finals. Your king did it twice.
The mj riding is worse than lebron im ngl. These old head were calling him BLACK JESUS. Please zip it up when yall done. Sha boing boing.
They were calling this man god in sneakers. When it comes to “dickriding”, they walked so we can run 😂😂😂😂
The nba marketed him that way, he was pushed to be this legendary figure.
@@2robjenkinsthat’s a blasphemous name 🤫
Hahaha. Fr tho
The NBA allows these players to carry, flop, and travel and also instituted rules like clear path fouls and added defensive 3 seconds. This is the context LOW and Marz forget to tell y’all when they want to push their BS narratives.
yea because the gather step players use is something that the modern nba added to appeal to the masses fr
@@Axzideso I’m right and it’s easier to score yet that’s conflated with being more skilled lol. That shit easily exposable.
@@tayluc777 you’re not right lol. the gather step has been a thing since 1949. players are just smarter and can now read the rule book without suffering a brain aneurysm
@@Axzidecall it what you want but palming the ball wasn’t a thing back then lol.
@@Axzide you're telling me that some of the greatest ball players of all time never read the rule book or thought about exploiting a rule where they were allowed to take an extra step?
MJ dominated the league over 2 decades. Mvps league scoring titles 6 rings....but its all propaganda. Cool story bro 😂
Exactly he did those things so stop glazing thinking he’d do things he simply didn’t
yeh too bad that doesn’t matte because were talking about a rookie..
What does that have to do with this topic? That’s pure deflection.
Jordan is the GOAT but the extent people go to to push him up is insane
agree
The only reason he’s getting pushed up is bc people are pushing others up trying to close the gap 😅
@@RecapRico that's the problem Jordan can be the GOAT and the gap isn't that big. But fans imprint themselves on players and take any criticism as disrespect.
@MrNoSubscribes bc the gap not big. In reality theres not much gap between any of the top 5 players ever
I get it. But can we stop acting like any effort to solidify MJ as the GOAT is not a direct response to this obsessive mission Lebron himself, Klutch sports and his foaming at the mouth fan base are on to convince us he is better than Jordan?
Lebron fans weird
Bruh they not even LeBron fans smh y’all MJ fans be saying anything 😂😂
@alieucamara8525 low is a bronsexual fan who pretends to be a kobe fan(sad) when everyone clearly see he's a kobe hater. He's literally don't know who his favorite player is he's a contradiction
Marz is a recovering bronsexual he's been getting better lately but he's still a kobe/mj hater but he just recently start to give takes that's respectable toward kobe and mj
Player choice is the ESPN of RUclips they're a LeBron channel with LeBron glazers and thats why ticket is hated the way he is on this channel bruh let's be completely honest
All these new age young guys are lebron james fans. They front like they try to be objective. They’re all a bunch of lebron james fanboys.
Facts
@@judahmourneth3211 bro no they’re not 💀
Low just be straight lying because in 1986-87 Jordan avg 11.9 FT per game. So sure he didn't average 12 FT technically but that is essentially 12. So he says he had to go all the way back to see someone averaging that many FTs. What???? Jordan averaged 9.1 FT is his rookie year in a time where they could literally knock your head off and not get called for a foul. Jordan can't average 3 more FTs in this milk toast era where you look at a player and you get a foul. Just horrible take after horrible take. Also LBJ has never averaged 8 points off of fast break points. The closed he's gotten to that number is 6.8. If Booker can average 6.7 on fast break point in a season then Jordan definitely could. Westbrook was has been close a couple of times also. Low needs to learn to do some research. Giannis has average over 8 points of Fast breaks 5 straight times. Even a guy like Buddy Hield averaged in 6 points in transition in 2018-2019 but you are saying rookie Jordan couldn't do that? Some of these takes are so bad and fool of just plain false lies.
Stop lying, everytime he was touched he got the whistle. Jordan got one of the best whistles in the history of basketball. Tired of this false narrative that you could tackle him out the air and they wouldn’t call anything. Anyone who says that is a liar flat out.
@@2robjenkins Um did you read the stats sir. Jordan avg 12 FTs in a season before. When did giving facts become a lie? Reading and a simple Google search is a thing any longer.
@@Truthtella you said they could knock your head off and not get called for a foul, that’s a lie. You couldn’t touch jordan without it being called a foul.
You know the game evolves over time? It’s not gonna be played like that, and it’s certainly not some whole ass lacking defense.
It’s a lot easier to defend someone when they can’t shoot 3’s
"You cant beat crack era speed" LMAO😂😂😂
F….. mars Jordan hater!JORDAN 🐐 PERIOD
Jordan could easily score 35 a game on a bad team with a green light, if winning is not a stipulation. SGA averaged 31.4 and 11 FT attempts last year.
Do you what he can do that Jordan can’t SHOOT NIGGA
OKC is not a bad team bruh. SGA a legit mvp candidate, not some hack
SGA always wasn’t a rookie and SGA can shoot 😂😂
45
Jalen Green is better than JorFraud and LeBum, go learn some basketball.
MJ averaged 9 FT attempts as a rookie in the 80’s, so I could believe he would average 12 in today’s game with more fouls, softer defense, and flopping.
He also shot 51.5% from the field as a rookie, so idk where this notion that he couldn’t shoot came from.
He averaged 2.4 steals a game, and ran a 4.3 as a sophomore in college, so I could easily see him averaging 6-8 points per game on fast break.
Marz lied. The pace of the game statistically is faster now than in the 80’s. This is the fastest pace of play since the 60’s.
Also, this notion that a rookie couldn’t have the ball in their hands that much is just pure stupidity. Bron had the ball that much as a rookie, and MJ is a much better scorer than him.
Also, Low and Marz lied, because on basketball reference, it shows MJ shot 52.5% on 2 point attempts, and it doesn’t state the efficiency of those shots and their distance because it WASNT TRACKED YET. There is no evidence to support their claims. All it shows is that he shot 52.5% on 2PA in 1985.
And you can also tell none of them have played basketball on a bad team before. Because when you’re a good player, and you play on a bad team, literally you have the ball in your hands every possession, and the offense runs through you. So imagine that, but with the greatest player of all time, in an era where you literally can barely get touched, and get a foul called.
These boys are idiots. Simple as that.
Then in their hypothetical, they put him on a team with a bunch of other young lottery picks as their reason for him not getting as many attempts. Nah put him somewhere with a bunch of vets that don't mind seeing him do his thing. Put him on the wizards instead of Poole lol, that feels like a similar green light
Jordan fans be the ones at Krispy Kreme waiting for the sign to come on after they close
An you niggas be on your knees for these niggas yall like today so what's the problem
These arguments that Jordan couldn't do something because it has never or rarely been done before is completely asinine. He did many things that had never or rarely been done before or since. Its not hard to imagine him doing it in this era too.
In his rookie year though?
@@javongreen2515micheal Jordan is his lord and savior 😂😂😂
mj is super nigga to him@@javongreen2515
Lol
i will say, arguing that somebody couldn't do something just because it's never been done is a bad point..... but everything else is valid as to why it's crazy to think he could do it in his rookie season lol
MJ is a Fundamentally sound athletic DOG that will step on your throat 💯 🐐
Here’s a prime example of the propaganda
Keep saying bullshit to hype up Jordan like usual and then proceed to trash lebron🤣
Where’s the propaganda? He’s fundamentally sound 🎯 he’s athletic 🎯 and he’s a DOG 🎯 where’s the lie?????
Nobody trashing Lebron he’s def a great
LOW has no idea how math works…if Jordan had 10 made free throws, he would theoretically only need 5 trips to the line not fucking 12
No he wouldn’t, he’s an 80% ft shooter. He would need 12 FREETHROWS, which would for him would be six trips because he’s not a big 3 pt shooter.
Da moral of da story is dat mj made people believe he can do anything
No some of us were there and saw it with our own eyes, while others have no clue, game in game out. I don’t think he would lead the league, but I think he fits in perfectly into the systems that are run today where a skilled wing drives and kicks. He would annihilate the game. The simple fact he plays like russell Westbrook every game and had such solid fundamentals at that early in his career. I see jordan a 30 PPG scorer on very good clips.
We seen it Dawgs
What Marz just said is the reason why I unsubscribe from this show. They do a lot of trolling and sit up there and try to justify it. You might as well call this show the new espn.
10 scoring in 14 seasons means he literally could do anything he wanted on the court. For as good as the players are today, none of them compare to that.
THAT MEANS HE A BALL HOG NOT A BETTER OFFENSIVE PLAYER
@@coreythomas3633 you only a ball hog if you don't win bro lol. Nah that's a mf couldn't nobody guard. Them old players would let you know if a mf was like that or not and you hear how MJ peers speak of him
He vsd bums in an expansion league with zero international players. Just stop it.
@@TurKishsoulja whatever helps u sleep at night
Cook these MJ stan casuals Marz.
Bunch of people who dont actually understand basketball. Just regurgitate what ESPN spits out.
Just saying, i dont buy the "they wouldnt let a rookie play that much". Rookie MJ was playing the same amount of minutes than prime Magic, Hakeem as the number 1 pick he played 3 less minutes than MJ. It wasnt that they allowed rookies to play 40 minutes per game, is that MJ was an anomaly, they made an exception for him because he was worth it. So MJ playing 35 minutes per games wouldnt surprise me.
Also, MJ shot 9 free throws per game in his rookie season, now they call less free throws because everyone is shooting 3s and you dont get calls as often shooting compared to attacking the rim like players did in the 80s. If MJ played in this era he is getting a lot of free throws because he attacks the rim and defender can create a little less contact. So 9 free throws attempts again sounds normal to me.
The difference is he would attack the rim in an absurd rate, like even more than Giannis or Westbrook and being more skilled at finishing. 27 or 28 points sounds fine for me and when he reached his 87 form he would lead the league in points every year just like he did.
Zone defense instead of 1v1. He would average a more assists than points in comparison. And part of the reason he shot so much was cause he was placed on a coke team with players so bad who couldn't shoot. The average NBA player is a better today than the average yesterday we saw it when he was winning chips as soon as he wasn't surrounding by such bums his fg attempts went down He couldn't trust guys to hit shots and I don't blame him. But now? Situations different His assists would bump up a lot more than anything
I mostly agree, but I think depending on team, 27 or 28 is too high of a number. A major reason he was even given that opportunity is because his team were literal crackheads. Not to say Detroit for example is much better, but context matters
@@GOATZELWARDBANDWAGON.
Good point
Players he played against called him black jesus,ion know but u niggas ,but i was never prepared to glaze nobody like that
I like lebron but his groupies are ridiculous 😂 never seen mfs mix and match time like lebron fans
Hey Jordan fan, if you watched the vid, what did they say that was inaccurate or repulsively disturbing?
Marz saying Mike wouldn't lead the league in scoring because "people would guard him like Russell Westbrook" AS IF WESTBROOK HAD NOT ACTUALLY LED THE LEAGUE IN SCORING BEFORE. You can't make this shit up, man. And Mike was never like Giannis where he had NO jumper. He had an OKAY jumper right out the gate (he _won a national championship_ with a JUMPER in college). When he was in the draft, a friend of Dr. J described him (to Doc) as "you, with a jump shot!"
That’s a rookie Jordan compared to peak players
That Westbrook is a much better shooter than Jordan lmao.
He shot below league average from three@@ecoblitz3655 💀💀💀
in his prime i think@@ecoblitz3655
bro MJ OVERRATED
If anything a more accurate rookie Jordan stat take would probably be 25 with good FG percentage bc of the type of shots he takes
Mj is better end of story, he won more when it mattered so... whatever slender yall wanna throw at him doesn't matter he's career has been over for 20 years leave the man alone
Better than who? The video never said anyone was better than him. Did you watch or just get emotional?
@@RIPToriyamaDBZ better than anyone at winning except Bill Russell🤣
@@RIPToriyamaDBZ oh I got "emotional" because why yall talking about a guy who hasn't played in 20 years like who cares, you can we talk about other people too it doesn't need to a video about Jordan
@@theoneandonly7063 I mean sure but I think it's hard to talk about basketball without talking about the greatest to ever do it
Mj still had a decent mid range . Coming in . He wasn’t a liability like Russ
Incoming MJ glaze
Your point about people saying MJ the goat now cuz he has 6 rings etc meaning he can't be the GOAT back then doesn't make sense. Someone can believe that Jordan was the goat back then for his 3peat and its different now solely becuase of the fact that Lebron didn't play back then. Lebron is why people need to bring up his second 3peat and his other achievements and career years, while people saying he was the goat before then are comparing his career after his first 3peats to all time greats-Bron which again I understand if you think hes not the goat off those years but he definitely has a case, feel like it just seems worse than it is because of when we think of the goat convo we think of Lebron and MJ so its like in people's eyes it seems like people are comparing his career before his return to Lebron.
I don’t agree that he’d lead the league in scoring, but if he was to be drafted in the 2020’s he’d for sure have developed somewhat of a shot in college, he wouldn’t just come into the league like he did in the 80’s, It’s a completely different game now. I get what y’all are saying but you have to think about it both ways.
Bruh, you started paying attention to basketball 7 years ago.
@@Tjaybndz My point was aimed at accolade merchants,no matter how u slice it mj after 9 years hadnt achieved enough to be the goat so they used other things besides accolades to proclaim him the goat,but when its jordan vs lebron they go straight to accolades. that inconsistency is why i call glaze
@@MarzTalksSports You actually could though. 3x MVP, 3x Finals MVP, 7/8x time all star, 7x First team, DPOY, Rookie of the year, 6x scoring champ, 3x steal leader, 2x slam dunk, NCAA Champ, 3 peat, which hasn’t been done in the modern NBA. Undefeated in finals. By a guard in a game geared toward bigs. You could make a goat case based on accolades alone with just that part of his career. So to say you can’t slice it anyway is wrong😂
Because saying the greatest player in nba history would do historic things is so crazy….what the stat nerds always ignore is the mentality of players and their intangibles. They don’t understand it because they’ve never been that or went up against it
He didn’t lead the league in scoring then, and we wouldn’t lead the league in scoring now. Stop glazing
@@Alex-mt7mvwhat? He was a 10x scoring champion lol
@@Big_3000this dude is fuckin nuts.
Yup!!
Tired of them tryna make something a fact and sway the masses into their thinking. Low is 28 too which makes it more disgusting, he wants to appeal to generation Z.
Rookie mj is bigger and stronger Dan russel Westbrook
Name the great guards that shot 50% for a career...EASY WORK
Actually, there is no starting shooting guards that has ever shot 50 percent. Jordan shot 49 percent.
@@Mike1122. 49.7 to be exact
These clowns compare Forwards efficiency to guards efficiency...no knowledge
Why do ya think if Mike was a rookie today that he wouldn’t be a better shooter??? The greats of any era would adjust to said era…
In this situation that Ron started he is being teleported to 2023, those are the rules of this hypothetical.
@@farhansarkar2394 ohhh i missed that part in the full video, in that case i agree with their sentiments
@Follow.the.Leader yeah the rules got muddied with all the convos going on. Gerald argued with LOW for an hour not realizing that these were the rules.
Not many rookies are good shooters
@@farhansarkar2394 lmao that was me as a spectator
I wonder if any of them were around to had watch the bulls in real time besides watching highlights and certain games on RUclips.
You can watch a lot of bulls full games
@@amazing2five274you still
Wouldn’t get the full scope.
No NBA league pass back then. Unless you lived in Chicago you wasn’t watching MJ like that anyways.
doesn’t matter what they saw, rookie MJ couldn’t shoot, played in a weaker era, and saying he’d average 35 is ridiculous
@@amazing2five274 not of rookie MJ, maybe within his 3rd year
6 rings, 6 final mvps, 5 mvps, 1 dpoy and 9x all defense in 15 seasons.
Thats called facts. Not propaganda
It's a good thing we're talking about rookie MJ
All in a expansion era against weak competition. Jordan is the Goat of marketing, not as a actual player
@@cleasanna05 I gave facts. You gave opinions.
So did it, the league is a circus, Jordan era was scripted
@@cleasanna05 a ref went to prison during the lebron era for rigging games. Facts over opinions
I think jordan is the goat but the amount of glaze by oldheads make me question their sexuality.
Y’all understand numbers and analytics …. But y’all all clearly are missing a big part of the game …. That’s playing and understanding physicality ,movement, skill etc …. So y’all not understanding this take is understandable or any take for that matter
Y’all really think Jordan wasn’t him is funny af
He wasn’t him to the degree that so many people prop him up to be
28 7 and 6 2 steals 1 block put up mvp numbers as a rookie got injured his second season third year 37 5 and 5 3 steals 2 block snd he was in his peak but ok👌
Geek squad...all numbers no game...moments matter
Jordan hate is crazy
Bronsexuals has taken over basketball talk with their analytics. LeBron is a 6x nba finals loser and they can't erase that
@@GOAT-we4ti because everyone wants to discredit he's achievement
@@theoneandonly7063no discrediting his achievements we are just removing the bs y’all like to make up for him.
@@amazing2five274 what bs?
@@aaronadams140That Jordan could shoot and had a post game as a rookie.
The lengths to which people under 30 will go to undermine Jordan is astounding. I get it. You want to be alive to see greatness. Sorry.
well most people because im 27 and im not in agreement with their takes...
For anybody who think rook Jordan leads the league in scoring or even avg 30 what would peak jordan average?
you’re making their logic fall apart bro 😭
they’re so pathetic 💀
100
Peak MJ would average 40ppg-50ppg easily
There you go, enjoy.
@@Josh-sk5xdThis is glazing ladies and gentlemen
@@Josh-sk5xd you’re trolling right
or is jordan’s jock strap in your throat rn
How are y'all figuring he'd average FEWER points NOW than he did in his ACTUAL rookie season? Y'all are WEIRD. You know he's as athletically explosive as Russ but SEVERAL INCHES TALLER, right? You know there's no hand-checking now, right?
Jordan did know how to shoot mid range shots
@@beery6659 Again, ROOKIE MJ. MJ didn't shoot well in midrange until his like 4th year.
You mean rookie jordan because MJ is one of the best mid range shooters in his prime wtf you talking about
@@beery6659Russell Westbrook used to shoot high 80s from the stripe and still be a terrible shooter bro
@@beery6659 You literally said name 1 other bad shooter who was a good free throw shooter which I easily provided, no need to be salty and bring up a whole entire paragraph lol. If you were actually watching at the time, Russ and his free throw percentage fell off a cliff because of rule changes which ruined his routine. It’s also possible for bad free throw shooters to be great 3 point shooters.
@@beery6659 As a 3 point shooter he was subpar. Prime Russ and Derozan are examples of good midrange shooters that can’t hit a 3. Kevin Garnett got one of my favorite midranges I’ve ever seen and I’m not asking him to shoot 3s
Lol, i can't even listen to these guys !
He averaged 28ppg in his rookie season it would be possible to get a couple more shots and free throws in this era and average 30-32 that is less physical and has no real big and physical power forwards for blocking and fouling. And athletically he would still be as quick and just as fast as other guards in the league now
so if i said lebron would average 40 with illegal defense you wouldnt be able to combat that, He would be bigger, faster, and stronger than anyone guarding him and if you allow him to have a whole side of the floor he could just bully his way to the basket more than he did in his prime
@@taquaywhite4503 I wouldn’t disagree but he would be probably average 30ppg the question for him would he be able to take the fragrant fouls that were just normal fouls back then mentally would that make him more of a dog and go downhill or make him pass more and get his teammates involve more I think he go downhill but who knows all this is just speculation on our favorite players old generation going to be bias and this generation going to be bias on the players they have seen
@@taquaywhite4503 bron travels way too much to average 40 lmao. Also when lebron drives he would be driving into 2 guys that would be bigger than him with a ton of help. Would lebron be able to score with two guys trying to knock him out the air?
@@christheophilus7154 ok, if lebron is bigger and stronger than jordan. And Jordan was able to what reason wouldn’t bron be able to? lmao. Y’all think just cause lebron flops now cause it gets calls means he’d flop then.
@@christheophilus7154 you do know lebron is naturally bigger and stronger than jordan right? we see lebron take wayyy more contact than jordan. that 90's era wouldn't be difficult for lebron at all.
I mean is that so crazy when he lead the league in total points his rookie year & was 3rd in ppg 🤔
To say a guy who averaged 28 his rookie year, being brought to the era of freedom of movement with 3PT spacing everywhere, that he couldn't lead the league in scoring? No, that's the bad take. Would he lead the league? God knows, but y'all are nasty for pretending like it's a bad take.
Your not very smart
W marz trolling, honestly after the past couple shows with the ogs I see y he be trolling
Rough math but MJ shot about 40% from outside the paint not 3s if we use 65% in the painted area as his field goal percentage bases on his shot selection info I found only splitting paint, non paint, and threes up. Not amazing but above average or maybe right at it assuming the 65%
lebron has a higher percentage than mj, mj not a efficient scorer STOP THE STUPITITY
@@coreythomas3633majority of Lebron's shots are layups and dunks not jumpshots. Lebron outside the paint shoots 37%
@@coreythomas3633 anywhere beyond 3ft of the basket Lebron is shooting at 30 something percent. Stop the ignorance.
@@wallacepemberton932 LEBRON FG% 50 3PT %34 higher than MJ. So lebron the GOAT and he better skilled player.
@@wallacepemberton932 STOP WITH THESE EMOTIONAL RESPONSE. LEBRON BETTER SCORER AND HE MORE EFFICIENT THAN MJ. Stop with these lame excuse. 😂
FG attempts alone isn't allowing Mike to average 35 in his rookie year lmao. Ppl really don't use logic
If jordan gets drafted the 23 season hes probably going to orlando or detroit and in either situation he averages 25 at the least.
No he is not wtf do yall be watching. The mf couldn’t shoot
@@jayhill21 yes he could. stop repeating bullshit you hear bro.
@@jayhill21 Westbrook couldnt shoot and he averaged 30 being one of the worst finishers at the rim at that volume.
My point is that MJ didnt need to shoot, he could just attack the rim and even they have 2 or 3 player at the rim still score efficiently.
@jayhill6480 Neither could lebron, russ or giannis and they all still became mvp.
Make it make sense
@jayhill6480 ja morant still can't shoot but he drops buckets. Zion, giannis, lebron early on the list goes on of guys that couldn't shoot. I'm willing to bet you never watched more than 20 full games of rookie jordan but you saying he couldn't shoot. You thinking one of the hardest workers in basketball history would just be okay with not being able to shoot if it was a hole in his game is insane.
Michael Jordan couldn’t shoot🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 guess he avg. 28 off layups and dunks🤣🤣🤣
MJ could possibly get 8 transition points a game. Also 8 FTs a game. He’s playing more than 35 mins, averaging at least 30. Being guarded like Russ doesn’t mean anything. Russ was guarded like Russ, wasn’t a great shooter, and wasn’t on a good 3pt shooting team, and he led the league In scoring 2x. Stop guessing what he shot from this or that distance. You don’t know. There’s no stat for It. You also can’t assume what he’d have to score to lead the league because that changes year to year.
There hasn’t been a single rookie in todays league averaging more than 35 minutes, what coach is giving a rookie 35+ 😭
@@domdomx.2593 none of them are MJ. They didn’t wanna play Mike 35min either. Just like he forced them to let him finish the season after his foot Injury. In a era where most rookies didn’t get a ton of mins, Mike played 38. Then 40min 3x after his Injury. Mike play 35+ every year except the year he played 34.9 In Washington. These players just don’t wanna play 35min. Mike was built different. 35min ain’t shit. Mike not leaving 13+mins on the table because he simply doesn’t wanna play, unlike today’s players.
@@Dologaming24if you wanna say that sure, but the video was talking about rookie MJ getting teleported into todays league with no hype whatsoever as the 3rd pick, if he’s the 3rd pick he’s going to Houston and gonna have to share the Ball with Jalen Green who ALREADY plays 33-35 minutes a game, and you know how egotistical todays players are, MJ is gonna have to share shot attempts and minutes with Jalen green cuz you know Green is gonna want his 22pts game, and that mindset of leaving minutes on the table isn’t gonna matter cuz literally NO coach is gonna let a ROOKIE lead the league today in minutes played
@@domdomx.2593 Scottie Barnes just 2yrs ago was drafted to a good franchise, they were a good team, they won 48 games, and he started 74 games, playing 35mins a game, with 4 teammates also playing 35+ mins. You telling me Rookie Mike can’t play 35+ mins on the Rockets because of Jalen Green? Mike had enough hype to go 3rd In the draft. He was the no brainer perimeter player to pick. Plenty people said he should be no lower than 2nd, only behind Dream If anyone. That’s enough hype If you ask me. Then once he got on the floor there was sitting him just because. He was clearly a force Immediately. This Idea that Jordan had zero hype and today he’d be just another rookie Is ridiculous. The reason he didn’t had as much hype as a player like him would have today Is being sports media Is different, In large part because of him. If not for Mike, a player like Jalen Green would have zero hype. If Mike came out today with his talent, athleticism and upside, after winning a national championship, ACC and College player of the year, he’d have a ton of hype. Y’all buggin.
He’d get 4 clear path fouls a game. That’s 8 in itself we know he a menace in them passing lanes and they lazy on defense this era.
The free throw attempts are down cause the style of play is more perimeter oriented vs back then
Young dudes are weirdos the fact they really don’t believe Mj as a rookie wouldn’t is crazy mj as a rookie was better than 85% of the nba in the 80s 😂
I'm not saying he would. But he was 3rd in the league in scoring in his rookie year. Injured his second then easily led the league in his 3rd year.
Mookie was right about these guys, they're really hating on the GOAT
Truth = hate now? 🫵🏽😂
Goat Jordan will lead due to spacing and lack of defense.. He did with the worst Team the Bulls his Rookie Year. Lebron James in 80's is just Magic Johnson in Cleveland.
He didn’t lead the league in scoring his rookie year but damn well led it 10 times
he also routinely took the most shots in the league and lived at the line
@@SummerAwe99that’s cap look at the stats
@@hmmmmmm6901nigga that’s not cap😂lol
@@SummerAwe99 he’s just like that
He lead all rookies in his NBA draft class in Scoring.
MJ was extraordinary in his Rookie Season.
And remember, MJ never has said, "He's the Greatest Of All Time."
That was the Media and the NBA marketing machine that said that.
What MJ did globally for the NBA is unmatched and unparalleled.
Now, Michael Jordan averaged 8.2 free-throw attempts per game in his career.
MJ in 86 - 87 he averaged 10.2 free attempts for 85.7% Free Throw pct.
All this guessing on Jordan’s shooting as a rookie is conjecture. It is not a solid argument based on factual numbers. Just throwing sh8t out there doesn’t make it so. Jordan’s mid range as a rookie is better than a lot of players today. It was spotty but it went in. I don’t think jordan leads the league as a rookie but he’s getting 30. He already had college experience when college was actually full of talent and players stayed. He fits into the offenses today flawlessly. What do they do space out drive kick. Absolutely no one is stopping him from getting to the cup, and he doesn’t need to make pin point passes because players are wide open. I saw this man with my own eyes. He plays with passion like russell Westbrook someone with that much heart and athleticism on top of solid fundamentals Is going to kill it. And he never stops, doesn’t get tired, he just keeps going and going and going at u.
bruh mike averaged 28ppg in his rookie year in the 80s when the game was way more physical. Not hard to imagine him averaging at 35 ppg today
Also the 80s where the era was more fast paced than it is today, shorter 3 point line, barely to no zone defense back then, there was more FT attempts back then, than it is today, also there would have to be a coach that’s gonna let Jordan play 38-40 minutes a game, also rookie Jordan had no 3 point shot so he’s just gonna be driving all game today, also yes back the it was more physical but today there are WAY more athletic guards now to defend rookie MJ
Stop with buzzwords, even if we could verify "way more physical", physicality is not the only thing that comes into defence. By the same logic, I can say that today's era is "more skilled" or "more strategical".
@coldjune2321 physical as in hand checking and they allowed hard fouls. watch MJ rim attacks. most of the time he's jumping into 2 defenders that are taller than him after he beats his man and he has to do a wild shot to get it in. watch lebron drive and after he beats his man there's no one at the rim. that's what i mean by "more physical" there's more resistance when trying to score. there's much less resistance in today's game because the floor is so spaced out. everyone is trying to cover a shooter that they just let drives go by, if no one is there already. also the effort, when someone gets in the paint, people don't really jump with him to try and stop him, they just put their hands up and kinda stand in the way, which obviously isn't gonna stop lebron.
@domdomx.2593 he had no 3 point shot but was still 51% from the field, he wouldn't be driving all game although i'm sure he would get away with it since the paint is wide open. and MJ was a genertational type of athlete, i doubt today's "athletic guards" would be able to do much to him.
@@christheophilus7154yea but even then, if history repeats and he gets 3rd pick he’s gonna go to Houston and is gonna have to share the ball with Jalen Green, and considering todays players are more egoistical and care about money, Jalen green is gonna want his 22 pts a game so how is he gonna get his 20 shot attempts like he did back then, Jalen green ALREADY plays 33-35 minutes a game so what is rookie MJ gonna play?, no coach is gonna let a rookie MJ average 38 minutes a game which would lead the league in minutes
Marz was right.
Jalen in better than JorFraud and LeBum. The fact that this is controversial is crazy to me.
If a rookie MJ would " lead the league scoring" a rookie Anthony Edwards Devin Booker Jayson Tatum and Donovan Mitchell dominates that weak era 😂
It's crazy how they can say Jordan or any other old player would dominate the modern game but if we say modern stars today would run circles around the old era all of a sudden we hating
Y’all are hating y’all act like basketball started in 2018 plus how they gonna run circles around an era and they getting beat in fiba basketball 😂 not even by the best foreign guys 😂
@@Slyme1big Because Illegal defense, worse perimeter defenders, shorter players, they have a better jumpsuit than virtually everyone at that time, etc.
yeh and they all could shoot
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Y’all sound terribly ignorant Zion can’t shoot yet he get the ball he is always injured but when healthy he drop 27 + in the league rookie jordan definitely score 30+
I think he can definitely get 8pts on the fast break because he is not a player who is going to stop to shot a three or look for someone open at three on the break like the game is played today. He also doesn't waste time with over dribbling so its def a possibility.
Neither does giannis
@@jcc.21 Giannis lacks the ability to pull up on a dime. Defense just needs to clog the paint, if he had a pull up they would have to pick him up sooner on the break giving him more opportunities to blow past guys
@@jonathanvelasquez4317 so did a rookie mj he didnt rlly get his jumper falling into like late 80/ early 90s
@@jcc.21 so your saying if you sag off on the break against jordan he wasn’t going to pull up from the free throw line and hit that shot wide open?
@@jonathanvelasquez4317 to be fair any nba player probably makes that shot
Clearly he’s the goat the man retired in 03 and y’all talk about him like that wasn’t 20 years ago . He was just so great nobody better
Mj
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Duncan
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Im kind of confused. In an era where all offensive numbers are up, MJs would go down???
Exactly doesn't make sense at all
There were teams that were scoring 130 pts in the playoffs in the ‘80s😂😂😂 yeah rookie Jordan would be worse in this era. The nigga couldn’t shoot
The Jordan glaze is ridiculous
Because that’s a lack of understanding about the game.
Numbers go up because of offensive and defensive rule changes, a predominance for the last few years to have bad foul calling (flopping, you get it), the game expanding out to the 3 point line and beyond, the average player getting better and more skilled overall, and better analytics and ways to go about strategy.
The changes that would lower his expected PPG would be the better teammates and greater spacing which would result in more assisting rather than scoring, the more strategy of giving it to his other teammates (the reverse problem John Stockton had), the defense being a lot easier to do on a guy who virtually cannot shoot 3’s (even if elevated a lot, he still wouldn’t shoot a lot on great %), rookies not at all getting the free reign (shots and minutes) like he had back then, and the competition on average being better.
Now, I think he would score quite a bit, and dominate now just as he did then, but he would not suddenly be the scoring leader
@@Jonathan-A.C. idk bro, that man came into the league averaging 28. I feel like MJ is going to find a way to be the best at what he does best.Score.
tbh, this is the problem with player’s choice. You go to youtube instead of listening to mainstream media generally is because the discussion is more nuanced and informed. If we are going to allow idiot takes from Chill and Ticket then there is no reason for me to watch this show. I used to be an avid watcher of this channel, but the chill, Ron, ticket takes are just unbearable.
when MJ came in he wasn't a terrible shooter by any stretch Marz acting like he was a liability go put that kettle on and have some bangers and mash
His 3P% only reached above 20% by 89, and he mostly shot between 1-3 shots a game. In a league like this, that’s a liability
@@Jonathan-A.C. “in a league like this” …my point exactly he would be a better shooter look at how good he was from midrange that was the shot of his era he shoot the same career % as Kobe Bryant 1-3 shots in a more physical league is incomparable to todays league to begin with
@@donovanprice3321
Ok, even if he improved drastically, he’s still a low volume scorer on average efficiency for 3’s. The 80’s for Jordan were less physical, and Jordan never compared to Kobe’s volume if we’re talking prime vs prime (which I’ll say is 91-98 as a generous example for Michael, and Kobe’s is 2005-2010).
It is simply unreasonable to say he’s just gonna be a good shooter out the gate. I’m sure he’d develop into a better shooter than he was in the 90’s, but he’s still gonna be less efficient and space the floor less as a rookie in today’s league
@@Jonathan-A.C. you prove my point for me again…if someone averaged 37 a night and made at the most I think 12 or 13 3’s and was a decent shooter from midrange considering that the 3 is a big part of todays era they would obviously be better…you’re arguing based off of hypotheticals and what ifs, I am too to a degree but clearly based more off indicators…it is so sad that it’s become cool to shit on Michael Jordan - you youngins make me sad mane…take care
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He was a bad 3 point shooter when he had 37 ppg, he played ridiculous minutes and took a ridiculous amount of shots (Kobe style) to get that high, he wasn’t distributing the ball that much (which made sense for his team, tbf), and he, at BEST, was shooting a fraction of that amount of 3’s at an ok %. He was not at all on that level as a rookie, and he was never an exceptional 3 point shooter, in his entire career.
He is not going to be a scoring leader as a rookie. Eventually, with the improvements in spacing included, he would be at that prime MJ level. But he won’t be out the gate, and he wouldn’t be getting 37 ppg off of fucking midrangers.
The entertainment value and heroism and role model qualities of him are what they are, but you should not deify him when talking about basketball ability in an argument. He was not at the level back then to be the scoring leader in his rookie season, and he wouldn’t be in the modern day.
Lebron is the most overrated superstar player ever by far this propaganda to push Lebron as a goat is ridiculous this guy is one of the biggest loser in NBA final history he is the player with most weaknesses that I ever seen and he’s fans still compare him with the real king of bball Michael Jeffrey Jordan
This Jordan hate is off the charts.
If you think MJ and Derozan is a good comparison you should stop talking basketball.
Wiggins first four years In the league he played 36,35,37,36 mins. Simmons, Mobley and Mitchell rookie seasons, 33mins. Scottie Barnes played 35mins per game his rookie season. Rookie MJ was playing 35mins easy. He wanted to play. Wasn’t no crying about too many mins and too many games like a lot of these players today. He’s pushing 40mins as usual.
NO COACH IS LETTING ROOKIE MJ PLAY 40 MINUTES IN TODAY, THAT WOULD LEAD THE LEAGUE TODAY, no ROOKIEEEEEE except like wilt I think has EVERRR done that
@@domdomx.2593 he doesn’t have to play 40. He doesn’t have to lead the league, but he’s playing over 35. There’s literally no reason not to play him.
@@Dologaming24nah the reason is HE CANT SHOOT
@@welkometodaparty4821 Funny is, even if you build a wall because he cant shoot, he is getting 28 since that would be the same teams did to him in the 80s.
@@domdomx.2593 The thing is that even in his rookie season MJ was the 4th player with more minutes per game in the NBA. Today the 4th player is Harden playing 37 minutes per game.
Saying MJ wouldnt play 36 is more emotional than anything else since coaches didnt let rookies play 38 minutes but they still let Jordan do it because he was an anomaly.
Hey for all of you youngsters who heard that MJ is the goat Google Kareem Abdul Jabbar stats then tell me what you think oh don't Google his college and high school because you will think that he was a Marval super hero character.
Jimmy butler avg almost 9 FTA a game idk if it’s crazy to say Jordan can’t shoot 10 FTA
rookie jordan?
@@Axzideyes a rookie Jordan.
Easily. A rookie jordan is better the any version of Jimmy butler.
@@judahmourneth3211 it's not shooting 10 it's making 10
@@MrNoSubscribes yes he can
@@judahmourneth3211 But he’s not?
Their talking about no one’s ever done this, or it happened every like 20 years is stupid because we had never seen anyone like Jordan . Lmao
I think you guys shouldn't be here for hours talking to los ya should be helping this kid lose weight and less gobble gobble gobble
Ron is the biggest Krispy Creme honey glazer on this channel. The worst takes by far
These young clowns don’t know basketball this is ridiculous
I always ask Jordan fans this… Why was it okay to call Jordan the GOAT after he retired in 1993 (with 3 FMVPS) but when LeBron won in 2016 we couldn’t call him the GOAT (with 3 FMVPS).
They say Jordan is the standard and LeBron has to pass his accomplishments, who did Jordan have to pass?? Kareem, Russell, Magic, Bird all had more hardware than MJ but they had NO problem pushing his GOAT agenda. But with Lebron, he HAS to win 6 rings. Man please 😂
Because he won 3 straight. To go along with leading the league in scoring. Something that was not done
That’s a bad argument because obviously jordan set the bar and then heightened it
That was terrible
Cause jordan 3peated
@@t1h_tvj212How can you set a bar if he didn’t surpass the bar that the legends before him set - Kareem had 6 with 6 mvps most in history, most points in nba history. What did Jordan surpass him in
And with that logic I can say LeBron is setting the GOAT standard with longevity
If you have seen Mike play you know why he gets the ball low is trolling
If History repeats itself, and rookie gets teleported into todays league as the 3rd pick, he’s gonna go to Houston, and would have to share the ball with Jalen Green, already that’s less shot attempts and less minutes he’s gonna be playing, rookie MJ was getting 38 minutes a game with 20 shot attempts a game, he’s not doing that if Jalen Green wants his 22 pts a game 😭, and rookie Mj shot like 9% from three even with the 3pt lime being shorter back then, so he’s just gonna be a 6’6 weaker Giannis, and In the 80s there was barely to none zone defense or teams playing a wall, most of it was just iso plays so how would a rookie just magicaly adjust to a zone, ALSO the 80s league average in points is more than it is today, and yes the league was more physical back then but today there’s more athletic guards defending than there was in the 80s, at MOST he’s getting like 25 a game he’s not leading the league
They trading all them bums for complementary pieces. North Carolina MJ is better than Jalen Green now bro.
For one the line wasn't shortened until the 93-94 season and Jordan shot 42% with the shorter line so you are already wrong 😂. To your other points about zone defense you do realize that it was legalized to increase ball movement and improve scoring right? The league still has plenty of iso going on so Jordan would still get his. Lastly facing more athletic guards won't mean anything for three reasons 1) Jordan is still more athletic than 99% of player's today and 2) being more athletic doesn't improve your defense 3) the league has changed multiple rules to make scoring easier but yet you say a rookie Jordan would struggle 🤔 yeah not buying it
LeBron played 40 minutes they sound dumb
When these stats bro’s try to call out a player for not shooting at least 55% for field goals, I think they forget they players used to actually play defense in the NBA. The reason players shoot such high percentages today is not because they are so much more skilled shooting wise. It’s because the average nba player plays little to no defense.
No it's because the rules changed homie, let giannis go defend in the 90s, imagine a faster more athletic Shaq what the fuck are you on cause i need it!
You have no idea what you’re watching, respectfully.
To be honest, this is just Envy. It's like when you hear something that bothers you and you have to make a video about it. If MJ is glazed, he earned it. But for some reason these kids get upset about it.
Saying someone deserves to be glazed in insane. Zip up his pants and get your free shoes
These kats are are a bit clownish...
8:19 😂
GEN-X need to do more research on MJ..
Lol, he was talking in todays game, he definitely could get 8 points in fast break points in today's game!!!
Y’all don’t find these dudes strange ?
MJ would average 18 ppg as a rookie today. No adjustments rookie Jordan from the 80s would not be roty or lead the rookies in scoring. MJ in today's game would be like Russ with a ring or 2. They play exactly the same MJ just has more IQ.
so how would he average 18 ppg if hes ike russ LMFAO
Have any of these dude’s ever hooped.
Hit the gym and get off the mic 🎤
Jordan is goat stop talking
Crack era speed😂😂😂😂😂😂