Cutting it out while it's still on the mat is genius! It's obvious in hindsight, but I always use vertical surfaces for treating paper. Gonna have to try this out!
I just came down here to write this same comment. Been treating sheets on my window for a decade and never even considered doing it on the cutting mat. Great tips Boice!
One small missed note from the paper warp troubleshooting was to make sure your MC is thick enough. You can refer to the MC section again to see how thick mine was.
What’s the ratio of mc to water to pva do u use. I need a rough measurement atleast to quantify lol. Because where I live mc is more costly so I don’t want to experiment as much to find out idk.
@@sarhan_ Just watch how much I use in the video for the cup. I never measure my ratio. I just add more if its not thick enough. Accurate measurements are unnecessary and can even be wrong if it didn't gel properly. I advise going off of the consistency and not a measurement.
@@sarhan_ Also, if you are worried about the expensive cost, then just use the pva/glue trick I mention in the video. That will let you use less mc potentially
@@OrigamiByBoicehey thanks for the reply it is extremely helpful😭 i also want to ask if i can use kite paper as tissue paper ( 25gsm ) will it be fine for double tissue and tissue foil?
Yes you can! The ratio will be a bit harder to determine since just glue can either stick the paper too much, or be to watery. It will also produce a different feel to the paper, but still works if you cant find MC
@@OrigamiByBoice would the strip of paper(the strip you use to do paper welding) affect too much if i try to do your square grid samurai or an ancient dragon? And its too risky too try and treat one portion of the paper and then the rest?
This is a great tutorial, but I have a problem. I'm treating some single tissue but the mat I'm using is waterproof so the MC doesn't stick very much, not even with some Elmer's glue in the mix. Because of this the paper still lifts up and warps. I don't have large things to put on the edges of the paper, or I would do that. Is there a different way to stop this problem? Thanks.
You need to scuff the mat a bit. Try just putting mc on the mat "no paper" Then when it dries, take a rough sponge or towel and scrape it off. Then clean the mat normally and try again
The mc is it required for every origami? And side ques cam you use bond paper or construction paper?and if youve already put in the mc can you like set aside the paper and then use it when you decide to use it like for example put mc today then use it next month is it also possible to buy papers that's already mc'ed?
For complex origami and soft papers it is necessary to achieve the best results. Machined papers like construction paper can not handle the folds for complex models
@@GameLessBoat ogami is about $20 for a 50cm sheet. Cabbage paper is about $10 but not sold online yet. Its much easier to just learn to make your own double tissue and you can make it larger too 👍
I ordered the paper linked on your website, but mine has tons of fibers inside. Why does yours look solid while mines textured with fiber? It affects the consistency of the paper thickness
there is some paper called daimondiu paper or something ... i dont really know but i saw it in a tadashi mori video of the western dragon by shuki kato....you have any idea bout it?
Doing so “sizes” the paper fibers making them stiffen. This allows paper to hold creases easier, be stronger, and have some water repellent properties. This lets us use “nonfoldable papers” (tissue paper, soft handmade paper) for origami and helps to let them shape very nicely instead of crumple.
@@OrigamiByBoice wow thank so much for responding so fast, i just need one more question, what are alternatives for mc? is there anything else i could try since now i have to find mc online then buy it. I tried using pva (obviously not going to work) but i was curious for results
@@nathantruong4129 pva diluted with water can work but needs trial and error so you don’t stick your paper permanently to the surface. Carboxyl Methyll Cellulose (CMC) basically does the same thing as MC and is internationally available since it is used in many food products world wide. Its harder to use sometimes but once you get it down it can be more protective than MC I have heard
@@OrigamiByBoice yeah i tried pva and my results whas just a less crispy piece of paper. i have been trying to find a good mullbery or unryu papers for double tissue but amazon dosen't offer any colors besides white and the colored ones are only 15 cm
Depends on the climate you live in. Mine will last for a few months (in a covered container) I have heard of some people having mc for over a year. I also heard some people having mc rot (container was dirty). But generally a few months is safe
hey boice do you think my cutting mat that has a lot of cuts (some are pretty deep) will work fine? thanks. (and also i have a gallon of elmers glue lying around and i did some research. Turns out its not exactly pva so do u think that would work instead of pva?)
Hi! Mine has some deep cuts as well. It should be ok for the most part. A more used cutting mat tends to be "stickier" when treating paper which is preferred. As for the elmers, it should work but the ratio of elmers to water will be something you need to experiment with.
@@OrigamiByBoice Thanks! I really like treating my paper on the cutting mat its very useful. I do see that the grid on the mat got transferred to the paper. (shouldnt be a big problem) Thanks for responding dude!
You can google some other ways, however, my recommended way is to either use a gridded cutting board, or draw your own grid on cardboard to make yourself a cutting board. In my opinion its more consistent. 👍
Well, great video but i have to complain. Idk what is the problem with tissue paper, but when I use single tissue paper for insects or something similar it becomes super hard to collapse cause the paper is to freakin soft, I cant get that crispiness, any tip for this would be grat(if model is on the more complex side, like some of kotas origamis) you know, collapsing is not the problem cause I can colaps it on some thicker paper but with thicker paper shaping is not possible. All in all single tissue seems very soft and I cant get it done, and I'm sick of just doing collapses with some ugly paper and not finishing it. Also, recently diagonal models became hell, cause you know if you use square grid models well you don't have to have a perfect square, but for diagonal models u should have, what to do cause it seems that no matter what I do I cant get perfect square over 70,75cm square? Thanks in advance
Single Tissue is naturally more difficult to use. The more you practice and the more patience you build, the better the result. My thought on your single tissue being too soft is that you are most likely treating it with MC that is too thin. Add more MC to your water mix for treating. To get it more crisp, it needs to be like a glue or gel consistency. This is how I was able to make the Ryujin 3.5 with 90x90cm Single Tissue. Even for very complex models (except insects) double tissue should work for shaping. Even though it is thicker, the paper is compressible when you shape carefully with MC. You technically don't need a perfect square for diagonal grid or diagonal symmetry models if you can compensate folding with shaping. Of course its better to have a square, but with practice, it is not necessary. The larger square you make, the more likely it is to introduce error when cutting your square. Try making yourself a giant grid cutting board with meter sticks or rulers like I mentioned in the video; or get a larger cutting board with a grid already on it. But the super large square video will come out in the future and you can see how I make it.
@@OrigamiByBoice i cant wait for that super large sqaure video, ill try next time to have more dense mixture of glue and water, that probably only thing that could work. Thanks.
A small pack of MC or CMC is literally 1500(taka) which is about 12 or 13 dollars. But since iam literally a kid. I (of course) don’t have a job or I probably would’ve spent it all on origami if I did😂❤
@@aryaman.kureel.1735 If you cut the square before treating, then treat the paper, the paper will no longer be square... That is what I am saying. So it is not ok to cut the square before treating.
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Cutting it out while it's still on the mat is genius! It's obvious in hindsight, but I always use vertical surfaces for treating paper. Gonna have to try this out!
Definitely give it a shot!
I just came down here to write this same comment. Been treating sheets on my window for a decade and never even considered doing it on the cutting mat. Great tips Boice!
@@TheGrainMill glad to help 😁
Worked like a charm, the PVA glue tip helped great for making the Paper stick to the surface and not warp.
Awesome! Im so glad! What are you folding with your paper?
Very nice to have this guide around
I have found only a little advice of treating paper, your explanations are useful
Im so glad to be able to help!!!
One small missed note from the paper warp troubleshooting was to make sure your MC is thick enough. You can refer to the MC section again to see how thick mine was.
What’s the ratio of mc to water to pva do u use. I need a rough measurement atleast to quantify lol. Because where I live mc is more costly so I don’t want to experiment as much to find out idk.
@@sarhan_ Just watch how much I use in the video for the cup. I never measure my ratio. I just add more if its not thick enough. Accurate measurements are unnecessary and can even be wrong if it didn't gel properly. I advise going off of the consistency and not a measurement.
@@sarhan_ Also, if you are worried about the expensive cost, then just use the pva/glue trick I mention in the video. That will let you use less mc potentially
@@OrigamiByBoice alright awesome. Thank you very much. Most helpful paper video till this date.
@@sarhan_ I am glad to help! :)
Thank you for posting this! It’s really thorough.
Absolutely! Thanks for watching! Glad to help.
Agreed
Thank you for the video, best paper treating video and explanation!
Glad it helped!
Super helpful video! I was wondering how you clean your paint roller so you can use it multiple times (the price for each adds up)?
Yes! You can use the same roller almost infinite number of times since MC is water soluble. Just some warm water and soap does the trick
@@OrigamiByBoice Thank You! Looking foward to you dt tutorial.
How about the normal glue how does it work?
It will work but needs experimentation. Too much might stick the paper to the surface. Too little and the paper will be too soft
Great video.. It is genuinely helpful!..👍🏻
Thanks! Im glad it helps!!!
Can i use any general cmc ( includes food grade and wallpaper adhesive etc )?
Yes! Any is ok
@@OrigamiByBoicehey thanks for the reply it is extremely helpful😭 i also want to ask if i can use kite paper as tissue paper ( 25gsm ) will it be fine for double tissue and tissue foil?
@@zonegamingyt6174 glad to help! I dont have experience with kite paper so I dont know. But you can experiment and try!
@@OrigamiByBoice alright thanks again 🥺🫶🏻
Thank you for this helpful and detailed tutorial, Boice! I have one question: Is that fine if I only use white glue for treating (so without MC)?
Yes you can! The ratio will be a bit harder to determine since just glue can either stick the paper too much, or be to watery. It will also produce a different feel to the paper, but still works if you cant find MC
Thank you! I have never tried it but I believe in YOUR word😊
What size is your cutting mat? And where did you buy it?
Check the resources link in the description. I have both mats that were shown listed in the paper treating kit with both sizes
whats the benefit of treating the paper? does it make it stronger / does it hold the shapes better?
Yes! Many folders describe the paper becoming "crispy" but it helps hold crease better and is less likely to wrinkle and tear
Is it possible to make the double tissue with mulberry paper?
No, it would then be double mulberry. But generally single mulberry is fine. Double is too thick
@@OrigamiByBoice thank you very much
@@OrigamiByBoice Is rice paper the same as mulberry paper?
if i need to treat a 70x70cm paper but my cutting board is only 60x90, what should i do? And how long does the MC last?
Check out part 4 of this series where I show how to make larger paper on a smaller cutting board. MC lasts a few months if stored covered
@@OrigamiByBoice thaks!!!!
@@OrigamiByBoice would the strip of paper(the strip you use to do paper welding) affect too much if i try to do your square grid samurai or an ancient dragon? And its too risky too try and treat one portion of the paper and then the rest?
This is a great tutorial, but I have a problem. I'm treating some single tissue but the mat I'm using is waterproof so the MC doesn't stick very much, not even with some Elmer's glue in the mix. Because of this the paper still lifts up and warps. I don't have large things to put on the edges of the paper, or I would do that. Is there a different way to stop this problem? Thanks.
You need to scuff the mat a bit. Try just putting mc on the mat "no paper" Then when it dries, take a rough sponge or towel and scrape it off. Then clean the mat normally and try again
Where do you get the big rolls of paper?
Links in Description
The mc is it required for every origami? And side ques cam you use bond paper or construction paper?and if youve already put in the mc can you like set aside the paper and then use it when you decide to use it like for example put mc today then use it next month is it also possible to buy papers that's already mc'ed?
For complex origami and soft papers it is necessary to achieve the best results. Machined papers like construction paper can not handle the folds for complex models
It is possible to make papers and use them later. I normally do that. You can buy pre-sized papers but its expensive
@@OrigamiByBoice for you how much does it cost?
@@GameLessBoat ogami is about $20 for a 50cm sheet. Cabbage paper is about $10 but not sold online yet.
Its much easier to just learn to make your own double tissue and you can make it larger too 👍
Also how hot is the water usually when mixing with mc? Near boiling?
The water I use is generally as hot as my faucet allows, so not near boiling.
I ordered the paper linked on your website, but mine has tons of fibers inside. Why does yours look solid while mines textured with fiber? It affects the consistency of the paper thickness
The hanji I’ve used has lots of fibers. This smooth one is the legion mulberry. Its thicker but smooth
@@OrigamiByBoice do you have a link for where to purchase that?
@@chrisrubin8941 it was on my website too:
legionpaper.com/mulberry
Thanks so much for creating this video!!
I was wondering what the ideal ratio between mc and water is for my paper?
There is no perfect ratio, just recommendation on thickness/viscosity. Add enough so that it is like a stew texture. And experiment if its too thin
For difficult projects do you recommend using mulberry paper or double tissue?
Mulberry
there is some paper called daimondiu paper or something ... i dont really know but i saw it in a tadashi mori video of the western dragon by shuki kato....you have any idea bout it?
Ive never used it myself but im sure its nice
Thank you
Glad you enjoyed!
Is carboxy methyl cellulose thick enough
Yes, I have heard some reports that it is stronger
Ok
I need help, whats the point of treating paper?
Doing so “sizes” the paper fibers making them stiffen. This allows paper to hold creases easier, be stronger, and have some water repellent properties.
This lets us use “nonfoldable papers” (tissue paper, soft handmade paper) for origami and helps to let them shape very nicely instead of crumple.
@@OrigamiByBoice wow thank so much for responding so fast, i just need one more question, what are alternatives for mc? is there anything else i could try since now i have to find mc online then buy it. I tried using pva (obviously not going to work) but i was curious for results
@@nathantruong4129 pva diluted with water can work but needs trial and error so you don’t stick your paper permanently to the surface.
Carboxyl Methyll Cellulose (CMC) basically does the same thing as MC and is internationally available since it is used in many food products world wide. Its harder to use sometimes but once you get it down it can be more protective than MC I have heard
@@OrigamiByBoice yeah i tried pva and my results whas just a less crispy piece of paper. i have been trying to find a good mullbery or unryu papers for double tissue but amazon dosen't offer any colors besides white and the colored ones are only 15 cm
@@nathantruong4129 what country do you live in? Do the links from my website not work for you?
Can you reuse the cup?
That is kind of up to you if your cup is strong enough
ayo budd remember me ? i have a question what's the surface you're using the whole video
Hi! Whats your question?
Also, in case this is the answer, the large cutting mat link can be found here: www.obb.design/mc-kit
Hi Boyce. How long does the mc last after mixing with water.
Depends on the climate you live in. Mine will last for a few months (in a covered container) I have heard of some people having mc for over a year. I also heard some people having mc rot (container was dirty). But generally a few months is safe
@@OrigamiByBoice thanks.
Is single tissue too thin for most models?
Yes. You only really want to use single tissue for insects or other models with really thin appendages.
hey boice do you think my cutting mat that has a lot of cuts (some are pretty deep) will work fine? thanks. (and also i have a gallon of elmers glue lying around and i did some research. Turns out its not exactly pva so do u think that would work instead of pva?)
Hi! Mine has some deep cuts as well. It should be ok for the most part. A more used cutting mat tends to be "stickier" when treating paper which is preferred.
As for the elmers, it should work but the ratio of elmers to water will be something you need to experiment with.
@@OrigamiByBoice Thanks! I really like treating my paper on the cutting mat its very useful. I do see that the grid on the mat got transferred to the paper. (shouldnt be a big problem) Thanks for responding dude!
Question do you have any other ways of cutting the paper in to a perfect square😅
You can google some other ways, however, my recommended way is to either use a gridded cutting board, or draw your own grid on cardboard to make yourself a cutting board. In my opinion its more consistent. 👍
Thanks
Hi can you please agast the time of 1:30 or 11:30 please 🙏🙏😢 my mom will not allow to watch the live stream
You can watch after the premiere!
Is mc and cmc the same thing? In my country both are very expensive 😂😂
Yes. CMC should be cheap, it might be the food version and sold in large amounts.
Bonus Kirbys!!!
Indeed!
Well, great video but i have to complain. Idk what is the problem with tissue paper, but when I use single tissue paper for insects or something similar it becomes super hard to collapse cause the paper is to freakin soft, I cant get that crispiness, any tip for this would be grat(if model is on the more complex side, like some of kotas origamis) you know, collapsing is not the problem cause I can colaps it on some thicker paper but with thicker paper shaping is not possible. All in all single tissue seems very soft and I cant get it done, and I'm sick of just doing collapses with some ugly paper and not finishing it. Also, recently diagonal models became hell, cause you know if you use square grid models well you don't have to have a perfect square, but for diagonal models u should have, what to do cause it seems that no matter what I do I cant get perfect square over 70,75cm square? Thanks in advance
Single Tissue is naturally more difficult to use. The more you practice and the more patience you build, the better the result. My thought on your single tissue being too soft is that you are most likely treating it with MC that is too thin. Add more MC to your water mix for treating. To get it more crisp, it needs to be like a glue or gel consistency. This is how I was able to make the Ryujin 3.5 with 90x90cm Single Tissue. Even for very complex models (except insects) double tissue should work for shaping. Even though it is thicker, the paper is compressible when you shape carefully with MC.
You technically don't need a perfect square for diagonal grid or diagonal symmetry models if you can compensate folding with shaping. Of course its better to have a square, but with practice, it is not necessary.
The larger square you make, the more likely it is to introduce error when cutting your square. Try making yourself a giant grid cutting board with meter sticks or rulers like I mentioned in the video; or get a larger cutting board with a grid already on it.
But the super large square video will come out in the future and you can see how I make it.
@@OrigamiByBoice i cant wait for that super large sqaure video, ill try next time to have more dense mixture of glue and water, that probably only thing that could work. Thanks.
A small pack of MC or CMC is literally 1500(taka) which is about 12 or 13 dollars. But since iam literally a kid. I (of course) don’t have a job or I probably would’ve spent it all on origami if I did😂❤
I couldn’t get that when I was your age but it was motivation for me to study and save money to buy these things!
If you don't have MC you do know you can use school glue. Use a 1 to 4 ratio of glue to water
Ex: 1/4 cup glue to 1 cup water. You can also add more glue if needed
Yes! Thanks for sharing
Is it okay to cut the paper into a square before treating?
You won't get a perfect square after treating since treating will often stretch the paper fibers out. I do not recommend doing this.
@@OrigamiByBoice no, i asked can we cut the paper into a square before treating
@@aryaman.kureel.1735 and I am telling you No
@@OrigamiByBoice you said you won't get a perfect square 'after' treating
@@aryaman.kureel.1735 If you cut the square before treating, then treat the paper, the paper will no longer be square... That is what I am saying. So it is not ok to cut the square before treating.
i fold you dragon knight
Thanks for folding!
A whale
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@@OrigamiByBoice make a whale
possible to treat paper with only PVA? @OrigamiByBoice
@@francescofaccin7267 yes. Its harder to do but you can use water+pva
maybe do a tissue and aluminium foil paper to show that
I will add that topic to the list of videos to make!
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