Dude I agree but that's just the color of the solder mask which protects the traces and stops shorts. Also stops the copper underneath from oxidizing or corroding. I love my ASUS Crosshair Formula V AM3+ board. Gorgeous mobo!
i gotta give it up to you linus, your info on all these tech updates is very catering to my interest. most of the time i i have to scan through others to find what i want. but here i find almost every bit of information given very useful. my hats to you, keep making vids to help noobs like me ^^
But ivybridge is using thermal paste between the die and the heat spreader while sandybridge uses fluxless solder which has a far better thermal conductvity. That's the reason why ivybridge is so hot.
this makes me so much happier knowing i went with a SKU 2011 i7 3930k with a Swiftech H20-320 Edge HD Liquid Cooling Kit on a Asus Rampage IV Formula all i need now is a GTX690 and my rig is a beast =D
Building a PC really isn't as hard as most people think. I once built a microATX build in about 20 minutes, start to finish with functional OS. (Ubuntu) My Work/Uber gaming rig only took a couple of hours, but that was my first build.
i have a phenom x2 and im gonna be upgrading to sandy bridge, but im also getting a z77 board. not for future upgrade, but for the added benefits. if you don't care about the TDP i suggest you stick with sandy bridge until intel's "tock" comes along.
3 way crossfire and Tri SLI will work fine even with one of the cards running on a 4x PCIE 2.0 bus. If you are using a GFX card and motherboard/CPU that supports PCIE 3.0, remember that it is twice as fast per a lane as 2.0. That means that a 4X 3.0 slot (when using a 3.0 GFX card, mobo and cpu) is the same speed as a 8x 2.0 slot.
No i7 2600k was dual channel but X58 was tripple channel memory. Also, the higher lga doesn't necessarily means it's better also because Haswell ( Intels next coming cpus released in2013) will be on lga 1150 and will have eight cores on it.
It doesn't matter though. You can, in fact, do 4-way SLI and CFX on a Z77 board as long as the manufacturer has implemented the technology, and a lot of them have and are advertising it. You can do 4-way with dual GPU cards without any bandwidth issues. The motherboard would not bottleneck the cards, and ASUS already has a board out that can do 3-way and 4-way with single GPU cards (P8Z77 WS), and they're going to be coming out with more (P8Z77-V Premier, and Maximus V Formula).
physically it fits, but you have to check your motherboard's manufacturer website searching for a compatibility list to be a 100% sure. In some cases it may be not compatible, in others you may have to update your bios.
If you are using graphic cards on PCI-E 2.0 8x speed slots, you will benefit from an Ivy Bridge CPU to get PCI-E 3.0 speeds on your slots, which are double the speed of 2.0 ones... However If you are using PCI-E 2.0 x16 speed slots, those are still good enough for current GPUs at the moment.
That depends, what components do you own that you could reuse in a new build such as HDD's an SSD maybe or a Power Supply some of these parts can be reused if they are in good enough shape
Asrock Z77 Extreme 3, i5-3470(or a 3570k if you want to overclock). The mobo has 4 dimm slots so you can theoretically have 128 gigs of ram but 16 to 32 should be plenty. I'd suggest getting a mid-grade firepro card from ati, or a high tier quadro from nvidia. Regular gaming graphics cards aren't made for animation and can have glitches when rendering(so I hear) so this is a good fit.
for ppl who need high speed processing, won't pay for dedicated graphics, and still need some graphic acceleration for example for windows 7 or other 2d aplications. like biochemists, engineers, architects, etc. not all in pc's is about MW3.
I just ordered the 3770K.I just hope that the thermal issue does not because a major problem for me in the future. I currently have an H80, so I should be alright for cooling.
yeah.... your reply was to someone talking about intel making an 8 core cpu in the 2011 socket and you corrected him saying it's an amd. i was pointing out that they did make an 8 core 2011 intel also. you are right though, amd does make an 8 core cpu.
In the other versions they have some sort of physical limit to how much you can overclock it, with the K you can go as far as you want, meaning you can blow it up if you're not carefull enough:p.
The biggest reason that an ivy bridge gets so hot is because they put TIM between the actual chip and the metal piece, at sandy bridge CPU's they use fluxless solder instead of TIM. TIM can transfer 5W/mK and fluxless solder can transfer 80W/mK What means that fluxless solder is 16 times better!
i7 3770k has 8 threads so it will be fine. I remember making a pc build about 2 - 3 weeks ago which was $2000 MAX, you won't go close to that if you buy from amazon, unless you got for a GTX 680 SLi or a EVGA GTX 690.
Ivry performs 10% at EACH clock. This means that Ivy will be 10% better at the exact same clocks. If you overclock Ivy to 4.5Ghz you'll need 5Ghz on Sandy for the same performance.
If you think about it IB @ 4.6 = SB @ 4.8, both conditions are only achieved if you have proper cooling. So in terms of OCing, SB seems enough for me and IB irrelevant.
i5-3570k CPU, GTX 670 GPU, 8GB memory, running OS on a Crucial M4 SSD and files on 2 WD HDDs. Well yes, of course a controller would be best in certain specific scenarios. Just plug in a Xbox360 controller onto a Windows PC, and it is fully supported with official drivers from Microsoft. Most PC games have full support for Xbox360 controllers as well. PS3 controllers, and others can be used on the PC with third-party drivers, and there are tons of PC controllers as well. Best of both worlds.
according to intel it had nothing to do with ay of that it has to do with the heat generating parts on the chip beng closer together on the 22nm chip (makes sense) wich makes getting the heat away from the chip harder as its more concentrated. theres a more technical explination outthere somewhere if your interested. anyway on the ivy bridge they did up the max temp of the cpu quite a bit so even it running near 80 degrees (celcius) shouldnt be a problem as thats far below the max allowed temp
Intel decided to not give the chipset the correct update to support ivy. They were going to allow z68 motherboards to have the ability to support them, but as of now I believe z77 are the only motherboards that truly support ivy bridge. Intel needs to start giving the correct info about their chipset compatibility.
Ever wonder why Ivy Bridge runs so hot? Intel have applied TIM DIRECTLY on the die, not thermal solder like normal. This is drastically increasing temps. Let's hope this is only on the preview versions, and not the consumer ones.
Forgot all about that! yeah hes running 3d mark on another vid! So it may just be on the reference samples that have overheating problems after all :D Guess we will find out! Launch day is today after all!!!
I have an Asrock p67 Extreme 4 gen 3 but i have an i7 2600k but it supports 3 ways sli as well as ivy bridge (and pcie 3.0) but a warning in advance all ivy bridge cpus get way hotter than sandy bridge.
oh woops, i was referring to my OTHER post where i said a 2600k is slightly better than a 2500k in gaming in benchmarks. i never said they have better performance in ALL games, only in some games that take advantage of quad cores like BF3.
Hot and loud? Don't worry. If you have a proper/decent aftermarket cooler you are completely safe. Doesn't really matter what chipset it is. If you do any 3D rendering/video I'd recommend x79 becuase it has quad channel. Ivy Bridge will not bottleneck SLI GTX680s.
na mate, just google ivy bridge IHS (it covers the die) they used normal thermal compound instead of fluxless solder, which means an increase of heat at higher voltages. Stupid move if you ask me.
What are your settings in BIOS? Have you changed any voltages, cpu and ram timings? Check with CPU-Z and your bios and note down what the voltages coming out are, i would personally reset back to default settings if you have attempted to increase FBS and overall cpu frequency ratio. It could well be your motherboard also, does it support your other hardware especially if your using SSD and try some other RAM too, I guess your using DIMM not SIMM. You should update your motherboard & cpu firmware
Ill stick with sandy. Considering the gtx 680 doesnt have a huge benefit from pcie 3.0 and you dont really need more than two way sli, my z68 ftw and 2500k shall suit me well for 2 years more at least
I don't think there are any i5s that fit the 2011 socket. If it is for gaming then you won't even need a H100, 2011 cpu/mobo, and 16gb of ram. Search up tomshardware and go to the "new build" suggestion they will be more than happy to help. Make sure to follow the format for requesting a new build
yeah i agree. however thats only if you get a supoer high end , a core i7 2700k , or an overclocked 2500k will be relevent for at least 3 years . but on the gpu end , i think in honesty the 680 will still be a good card for at least 2 years to come , especially if you buy the upcoming gk110 version which is 30 percent faster . which will put in on par with 3 way gtx 580 sli .
um no.. amd does the latest amd sockets are the "am" sockets and fm1. the 8 core chips in 2011 i'm seeing are server chips and they're labeled as sandy bridges to (newegg). the fx series was over hyped though still not a bad chip in upto as you mentioned 8 cores.
The only thing Sandy Bridge has on Ivy Bridge is that you can overclock it at overall higher clock speeds with lower temperatures. Don't think that your own subjective standards dictate what is "best" for everyone in all scenarios.
"Who whatchin' 2020 🤫😏🤔"- some guy on the internet
2022
he has a mistake, sandy bridge is 32 nm, not 28.
who watching this in 2017?🤔
ME!!!
2019 here. Looking to upgrade to an i7-3770.
2020 here 😀
2021
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My i7 3770K is still awesome in 2018 !
Watched in 2018 wtf
watched in 2021 wtf
It was uploaded today mate! Everyone else who has posted a review so far has been using reference models, got to remember how long shipping takes!
Dude I agree but that's just the color of the solder mask which protects the traces and stops shorts. Also stops the copper underneath from oxidizing or corroding. I love my ASUS Crosshair Formula V AM3+ board. Gorgeous mobo!
i gotta give it up to you linus, your info on all these tech updates is very catering to my interest. most of the time i i have to scan through others to find what i want. but here i find almost every bit of information given very useful. my hats to you, keep making vids to help noobs like me ^^
Can do it on a Z68 as well. The Z68 was the 'future proof' option for Sandy, seeing as it was able to provide Ivy support from the start.
Just bought one and didn't even know half the things you spoke of. Very cool video
But ivybridge is using thermal paste between the die and the heat spreader while sandybridge uses fluxless solder which has a far better thermal conductvity.
That's the reason why ivybridge is so hot.
"most people don't use more that 3 displays" You are special Linus ^^
this makes me so much happier knowing i went with a SKU 2011 i7 3930k with a Swiftech H20-320 Edge HD Liquid Cooling Kit on a Asus Rampage IV Formula all i need now is a GTX690 and my rig is a beast =D
Building a PC really isn't as hard as most people think. I once built a microATX build in about 20 minutes, start to finish with functional OS. (Ubuntu) My Work/Uber gaming rig only took a couple of hours, but that was my first build.
i have a phenom x2 and im gonna be upgrading to sandy bridge, but im also getting a z77 board. not for future upgrade, but for the added benefits. if you don't care about the TDP i suggest you stick with sandy bridge until intel's "tock" comes along.
3 way crossfire and Tri SLI will work fine even with one of the cards running on a 4x PCIE 2.0 bus.
If you are using a GFX card and motherboard/CPU that supports PCIE 3.0, remember that it is twice as fast per a lane as 2.0.
That means that a 4X 3.0 slot (when using a 3.0 GFX card, mobo and cpu) is the same speed as a 8x 2.0 slot.
No i7 2600k was dual channel but X58 was tripple channel memory. Also, the higher lga doesn't necessarily means it's better also because Haswell ( Intels next coming cpus released in2013) will be on lga 1150 and will have eight cores on it.
It doesn't matter though. You can, in fact, do 4-way SLI and CFX on a Z77 board as long as the manufacturer has implemented the technology, and a lot of them have and are advertising it. You can do 4-way with dual GPU cards without any bandwidth issues. The motherboard would not bottleneck the cards, and ASUS already has a board out that can do 3-way and 4-way with single GPU cards (P8Z77 WS), and they're going to be coming out with more (P8Z77-V Premier, and Maximus V Formula).
physically it fits, but you have to check your motherboard's manufacturer website searching for a compatibility list to be a 100% sure. In some cases it may be not compatible, in others you may have to update your bios.
If you are using graphic cards on PCI-E 2.0 8x speed slots, you will benefit from an Ivy Bridge CPU to get PCI-E 3.0 speeds on your slots, which are double the speed of 2.0 ones...
However If you are using PCI-E 2.0 x16 speed slots, those are still good enough for current GPUs at the moment.
Got my sabertooth ready and picking up my i5 3570k tomorrow. Can't wait to play around with the overclock and my new h100.
00:26 even the annotation is wrong: Sandy Bridge is 32nm. Ivy Bridge is 22.
0:27
No, not 28 or 22. Original Sandy Bridge uses 32nm process while Ivy Bridge uses 22nm process
All boards will support the K version, its just the H77 and H67 won't overclock it because it's not supported by the chipset @3:09
The IB die is actually much smaller than SB die, but the heatspreader seems to be identical.
it depends what you want to do with your pc, for gaming go ivy, for workstation, go for 2011 cpu's
That depends, what components do you own that you could reuse in a new build such as HDD's an SSD maybe or a Power Supply some of these parts can be reused if they are in good enough shape
so many users waiting for your ivy bridge video!
Asrock Z77 Extreme 3, i5-3470(or a 3570k if you want to overclock). The mobo has 4 dimm slots so you can theoretically have 128 gigs of ram but 16 to 32 should be plenty. I'd suggest getting a mid-grade firepro card from ati, or a high tier quadro from nvidia. Regular gaming graphics cards aren't made for animation and can have glitches when rendering(so I hear) so this is a good fit.
love the way you dont edit your videos to much
Yep. Sandy Bridge CPUs are supported on all the Z77 platforms.
for ppl who need high speed processing, won't pay for dedicated graphics, and still need some graphic acceleration for example for windows 7 or other 2d aplications. like biochemists, engineers, architects, etc. not all in pc's is about MW3.
dude that was a lot of info in 11 minutes, great video.
Always a well put together presentation from Linus!
thanx so much for Advance and axplainations ..i'm in ! see you in next vid
You're right Westmere/sandybridge are already 32nm Ivybridge and haswell will be 22nm.
On the Z77 you can put a revo-drive on the PCI-E 2.0 (3th one)
I just ordered the 3770K.I just hope that the thermal issue does not because a major problem for me in the future. I currently have an H80, so I should be alright for cooling.
yeah.... your reply was to someone talking about intel making an 8 core cpu in the 2011 socket and you corrected him saying it's an amd. i was pointing out that they did make an 8 core 2011 intel also. you are right though, amd does make an 8 core cpu.
yes but only because they used a different type of cooling solution inside the chip itself.
They changed from tin to cooling paste
Woot Linus you made me feel good, Not only did u hold up my lga2011 mobo you told me its not crap yet :P
This might be a late video form Linus, but lets be honest, he still he best with these vids!
I have been waiting for your take on Ivy bridge :D
In the other versions they have some sort of physical limit to how much you can overclock it, with the K you can go as far as you want, meaning you can blow it up if you're not carefull enough:p.
no because that is the LGA 1366 socket. which is the first generation. it would have to be the 1155 socket sandy bridge
Great review. Answered a lot of questions that were left open that most other reviewers didn't answer
it has 8 spes(cores). 7 are used for gaming, while 1 is used for OS.
The biggest reason that an ivy bridge gets so hot is because they put TIM between the actual chip and the metal piece, at sandy bridge CPU's they use fluxless solder instead of TIM.
TIM can transfer 5W/mK and fluxless solder can transfer 80W/mK
What means that fluxless solder is 16 times better!
You were actually correct at 00:27 :)
Far out that board on the left looks badass.
clock for clock 10% is heaps, but if you already own sandybridge, i do see your point
OMG, bro I just did the same as u, upgraded from a 2.6 dual core to an i7 vPro 3.4 GHz CPU and is super fast ^^
Ivy bridge and sandy bridge both use the socket LGA 1155
i7 3770k has 8 threads so it will be fine. I remember making a pc build about 2 - 3 weeks ago which was $2000 MAX, you won't go close to that if you buy from amazon, unless you got for a GTX 680 SLi or a EVGA GTX 690.
Ivry performs 10% at EACH clock. This means that Ivy will be 10% better at the exact same clocks. If you overclock Ivy to 4.5Ghz you'll need 5Ghz on Sandy for the same performance.
Finally after a month he remember to add a video
If you think about it IB @ 4.6 = SB @ 4.8, both conditions are only achieved if you have proper cooling. So in terms of OCing, SB seems enough for me and IB irrelevant.
Damn that Sabertooth is beautiful. Can't wait until I get mine.
i5-3570k CPU, GTX 670 GPU, 8GB memory, running OS on a Crucial M4 SSD and files on 2 WD HDDs.
Well yes, of course a controller would be best in certain specific scenarios. Just plug in a Xbox360 controller onto a Windows PC, and it is fully supported with official drivers from Microsoft. Most PC games have full support for Xbox360 controllers as well. PS3 controllers, and others can be used on the PC with third-party drivers, and there are tons of PC controllers as well.
Best of both worlds.
yes it does, i have alreay checked the compatibility
Linus, you should do a video on performance per clock, such as Ivy Bridge clock/performance and AMD clock/performance comparison
according to intel it had nothing to do with ay of that it has to do with the heat generating parts on the chip beng closer together on the 22nm chip (makes sense) wich makes getting the heat away from the chip harder as its more concentrated.
theres a more technical explination outthere somewhere if your interested.
anyway on the ivy bridge they did up the max temp of the cpu quite a bit so even it running near 80 degrees (celcius) shouldnt be a problem as thats far below the max allowed temp
yes but with the kepler architecture you don;t underclock it as much if you can even call the underclock an underclock.
Absolutely!
Good video! its been a while since my last build, helped a lot so i know what to look for
Intel decided to not give the chipset the correct update to support ivy. They were going to allow z68 motherboards to have the ability to support them, but as of now I believe z77 are the only motherboards that truly support ivy bridge. Intel needs to start giving the correct info about their chipset compatibility.
5:16 Had to backtrack the video to rewatch you putting down the CPU, at first I thought you dropped it xD
motherboard sizes aren't dictated by processor size, ATX is ATX no matter what CPU is on it.
I'm trying, but the new card is so awesome that I cant wait!!
its my first build and im still learning
Ever wonder why Ivy Bridge runs so hot? Intel have applied TIM DIRECTLY on the die, not thermal solder like normal. This is drastically increasing temps. Let's hope this is only on the preview versions, and not the consumer ones.
take note, that video was uploaded on April 9, and the CPU was released on April 23 or later.
Forgot all about that! yeah hes running 3d mark on another vid! So it may just be on the reference samples that have overheating problems after all :D Guess we will find out! Launch day is today after all!!!
orderd mine last night. good choice.
0:57 O___O that shaky saber tooth scared the sheet outta me
I have an Asrock p67 Extreme 4 gen 3 but i have an i7 2600k but it supports 3 ways sli as well as ivy bridge (and pcie 3.0) but a warning in advance all ivy bridge cpus get way hotter than sandy bridge.
It gives you an unlocked multiplier. Basically, it makes it very simple to overclock.
oh woops, i was referring to my OTHER post where i said a 2600k is slightly better than a 2500k in gaming in benchmarks.
i never said they have better performance in ALL games, only in some games that take advantage of quad cores like BF3.
yes you will be able, becasue its the same socket (1155)
yeah, it will, but it will have less bandwidth than the pcie 3, so yes it will work
i ended up getting the i7 instead of i5 and i am happy with it thanks for the tip
as long it has an crossfire support certificate or logo, yes
Hot and loud? Don't worry. If you have a proper/decent aftermarket cooler you are completely safe. Doesn't really matter what chipset it is. If you do any 3D rendering/video I'd recommend x79 becuase it has quad channel. Ivy Bridge will not bottleneck SLI GTX680s.
PS3 is based on 7800GTX graphics, the GT 640 has quite the competitive performance to it if not better in some situations
linus looks like he didn't get any sleep. typical linus lol. thank you for bringing us these sick videos!!!
i was wrong after haswell will be broadwell and that might be on a bga socket.
na mate, just google ivy bridge IHS (it covers the die) they used normal thermal compound instead of fluxless solder, which means an increase of heat at higher voltages. Stupid move if you ask me.
What are your settings in BIOS? Have you changed any voltages, cpu and ram timings? Check with CPU-Z and your bios and note down what the voltages coming out are, i would personally reset back to default settings if you have attempted to increase FBS and overall cpu frequency ratio. It could well be your motherboard also, does it support your other hardware especially if your using SSD and try some other RAM too, I guess your using DIMM not SIMM. You should update your motherboard & cpu firmware
Ill stick with sandy. Considering the gtx 680 doesnt have a huge benefit from pcie 3.0 and you dont really need more than two way sli, my z68 ftw and 2500k shall suit me well for 2 years more at least
it does output less heat if you leave it at clock speeds
I don't think there are any i5s that fit the 2011 socket.
If it is for gaming then you won't even need a H100, 2011 cpu/mobo, and 16gb of ram.
Search up tomshardware and go to the "new build" suggestion they will be more than happy to help. Make sure to follow the format for requesting a new build
linus, you got it right!
its on a 28nm on 2nd gen
i already have one, it is already released a while here in the netherlands.
Yep, thats just why im waiting for Haswell!!!
Thank you very much for the swift reply, friend!
yeah i agree. however thats only if you get a supoer high end , a core i7 2700k , or an overclocked 2500k will be relevent for at least 3 years . but on the gpu end , i think in honesty the 680 will still be a good card for at least 2 years to come , especially if you buy the upcoming gk110 version which is 30 percent faster . which will put in on par with 3 way gtx 580 sli .
um no.. amd does the latest amd sockets are the "am" sockets and fm1. the 8 core chips in 2011 i'm seeing are server chips and they're labeled as sandy bridges to (newegg). the fx series was over hyped though still not a bad chip in upto as you mentioned 8 cores.
id still get dual 680s, but only if you have a good case, with good cooling, a good enough PSU, and a mobo/cpu that wont bottlenek it
The only thing Sandy Bridge has on Ivy Bridge is that you can overclock it at overall higher clock speeds with lower temperatures. Don't think that your own subjective standards dictate what is "best" for everyone in all scenarios.
for me i5 2500k is the best proccessor yet:P and the best overclocker and it is sandybringe!