I take multiple issues with Renwick- mainly due to its car-dependency and …eerie emptiness. There’s no job centers nor does it look like there’s any REAL mixed use development. From what it looks like, the lack of people is indicative of auto-oriented commuting, it’s basically a normal US suburb with townhouses, which is exceedingly more common all over the US than one would think. You keep mentioning it “feels” like a town, but in reality it’s anything BUT a real town, I’m not seeing the vibrancy or amenities that a real town needs; it feels like a master-planned condo park. Renwick is faux urbanism, similar to those dreaded “lifestyle centers”
Yeah, I agree with the "lifestyle center" designation I'd be very interested in seeing how someone from outside this neighborhood can access the coffee shop by foot. To me this is a neighborhood or condo park like you said, not a suburb.
I totally agree. One of the best signs of pedestrian friendliness is actually seeing pedestrians on the streets, and in that respect Renwick looks like a ghost town. It's a step up from single family home suburban sprawl I guess, but I think he is giving it more credit than it deserves.
Well don't forget this isn't supposed to be a town. It's still a suburb, just one that features more mixed use land usage. I was actually very impressed that this neighborhood was able to build a mixture of homes, apartments, restaurant, shops, and a pubic space while still maintaining it's peace and quiet.
@@jackd8933 Well keep in mind this is supposed to be a suburb still, not a town. The people who live here still want to have their peace and quiet. If more and more pedestrians start filling the sidewalks and streets it may create more backlash from the residents.
I like what you are doing here and I enjoyed seeing this neighborhood. But I have to agree that the completely empty retail area makes me a little sad.
There are several of these 'nicer' suburbs in the Portland area. Unfortunately they don't have any retail spaces (at least the ones I have been to), but still have a few people walking around to the parks in the community. But the best suburb is definitely the one with local jobs and community spaces as well. Reminds me of Orenco Station, a TOD.
Why so empty? Why are you the only one walking around or outside at all? If your video is an accurate representation of the neighborhood, it seems like the neighborhood fails in walkability.
I like that theres no one outside. I was impressed that they were able to build a nice looking suburban neighborhood while still maintaining peace and quiet.
It may have been built with pedestrian use in mind, but throughout the entire video I saw only one person at 4:19 and the only other indications of life besides the sound of birds were the cars passing by as you were filming. It may be aesthetically pleasing to walk through and be in, but it's still just a boring suburb unless its environment can draw people out of their homes to experience it. Sorry to say, but I predict that few businesses here will survive in this environment.
That may be true, but again people need to remember that this is still a suburb. People live i suburbs for a reason. Not everyone wants to live in an urbanized area with a bunch of people and pedestrians. Thats why many flock away form the cities and into the suburbs and rural areas. I think this town proves that even if you building more pedestrian friendly urban neighborhoods some people just don't like that living. I personally was impressed that they were able to build some mix use buildings and made it more urbanized while keeping their peace and quiet. I probably wouldn't mind living in a place like this.
I thought of a few things that could improve the neighborhood character since a lot of comments here are negative without any constructive feedback. When you look at the sprawl neighborhood example, I noticed the sidewalks are wider than the Indiana example. It was probably a scaling issue they had to solve to make the front setbacks look more proportional, but the nice neighborhood could have benefited from wider sidewalks. The trees look newly planted, I bet the neighborhood is new because of that. I'm guessing that's why there isn't so many people. Not many people live here yet, and not all the shopping has opened yet. Unless it was filmed during COVID. The trees could also be pruned back so they don't interfere with pedestrians. I felt like the camera operator needed to duck a few places to avoid branches. And a few areas of mixed use would have been better than a small shopping district that happens to be walkable. Having housing above the stores would have provided sustained walking traffic from people who live there.
These clips remind me of that tiktoker who walks around hyper popular tourist spots that are apparently entirely empty. This place does look nice but its a tad eerie only seeing cars
Why does Indiana have so many good cities?? Carmel and Bloomington, and most likely more, have very good infastructure. I just wonder why it is mostly Indiana that has these cities
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I take multiple issues with Renwick- mainly due to its car-dependency and …eerie emptiness. There’s no job centers nor does it look like there’s any REAL mixed use development. From what it looks like, the lack of people is indicative of auto-oriented commuting, it’s basically a normal US suburb with townhouses, which is exceedingly more common all over the US than one would think.
You keep mentioning it “feels” like a town, but in reality it’s anything BUT a real town, I’m not seeing the vibrancy or amenities that a real town needs; it feels like a master-planned condo park. Renwick is faux urbanism, similar to those dreaded “lifestyle centers”
Yeah, I agree with the "lifestyle center" designation I'd be very interested in seeing how someone from outside this neighborhood can access the coffee shop by foot. To me this is a neighborhood or condo park like you said, not a suburb.
I totally agree. One of the best signs of pedestrian friendliness is actually seeing pedestrians on the streets, and in that respect Renwick looks like a ghost town. It's a step up from single family home suburban sprawl I guess, but I think he is giving it more credit than it deserves.
let's not let perfect be the enemy of good!
Well don't forget this isn't supposed to be a town. It's still a suburb, just one that features more mixed use land usage. I was actually very impressed that this neighborhood was able to build a mixture of homes, apartments, restaurant, shops, and a pubic space while still maintaining it's peace and quiet.
@@jackd8933 Well keep in mind this is supposed to be a suburb still, not a town. The people who live here still want to have their peace and quiet. If more and more pedestrians start filling the sidewalks and streets it may create more backlash from the residents.
I like what you are doing here and I enjoyed seeing this neighborhood. But I have to agree that the completely empty retail area makes me a little sad.
There are several of these 'nicer' suburbs in the Portland area. Unfortunately they don't have any retail spaces (at least the ones I have been to), but still have a few people walking around to the parks in the community.
But the best suburb is definitely the one with local jobs and community spaces as well. Reminds me of Orenco Station, a TOD.
Bloomington is an incredible city and an amazing value. I live about 2 hours south in Kentucky and am strongly considering relocating there.
Why so empty? Why are you the only one walking around or outside at all? If your video is an accurate representation of the neighborhood, it seems like the neighborhood fails in walkability.
I think it's cause there nothing really to walk to?
there was a cocktail place right at the end but that could be closed until 8pm, but yeah it was as empty as the regular suburb
Thats probably a good thing. imo
Why isn't there anyone outside? It looks nice and all, but it gives off a manicured theme park vibe. Only creepier, because there's no one around.
I like that theres no one outside. I was impressed that they were able to build a nice looking suburban neighborhood while still maintaining peace and quiet.
Love it. Walking and the central piazza-type neighborhood is so underrated in the US.
A little too sanitized for more taste but certainly better than most 2000s era suburbs.
It may have been built with pedestrian use in mind, but throughout the entire video I saw only one person at 4:19 and the only other indications of life besides the sound of birds were the cars passing by as you were filming. It may be aesthetically pleasing to walk through and be in, but it's still just a boring suburb unless its environment can draw people out of their homes to experience it. Sorry to say, but I predict that few businesses here will survive in this environment.
That may be true, but again people need to remember that this is still a suburb. People live i suburbs for a reason. Not everyone wants to live in an urbanized area with a bunch of people and pedestrians. Thats why many flock away form the cities and into the suburbs and rural areas. I think this town proves that even if you building more pedestrian friendly urban neighborhoods some people just don't like that living. I personally was impressed that they were able to build some mix use buildings and made it more urbanized while keeping their peace and quiet. I probably wouldn't mind living in a place like this.
I thought of a few things that could improve the neighborhood character since a lot of comments here are negative without any constructive feedback. When you look at the sprawl neighborhood example, I noticed the sidewalks are wider than the Indiana example. It was probably a scaling issue they had to solve to make the front setbacks look more proportional, but the nice neighborhood could have benefited from wider sidewalks. The trees look newly planted, I bet the neighborhood is new because of that. I'm guessing that's why there isn't so many people. Not many people live here yet, and not all the shopping has opened yet. Unless it was filmed during COVID. The trees could also be pruned back so they don't interfere with pedestrians. I felt like the camera operator needed to duck a few places to avoid branches. And a few areas of mixed use would have been better than a small shopping district that happens to be walkable. Having housing above the stores would have provided sustained walking traffic from people who live there.
These clips remind me of that tiktoker who walks around hyper popular tourist spots that are apparently entirely empty. This place does look nice but its a tad eerie only seeing cars
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That's very cool!
Why does Indiana have so many good cities?? Carmel and Bloomington, and most likely more, have very good infastructure. I just wonder why it is mostly Indiana that has these cities
well designed compared to american car infested cities, it's laughable to compare it to what it should be