Too MUCH Too Late? Helldivers 2 MASSIVE 'Buff' Update...
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
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But is it Too Much, Too Late?
Here's the latest in Helldivers 2 News!
Arrowhead revealed the outlines for their next patch scheduled for September 17, and there are MASSIVE changes here to much of the game. Armor Penetration, enemy health, primary weapon buffs, stratagem buffs and reductions to most Heavy Enemies are outlined here in the notes.
"Over Buffing" could be a simple term used to describe these upcoming changes, but Helldivers 2 needs this kind of jolt to the system!
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"Heard you loud and clear"
Yeah heard that one before...
Exactly my thought. I stopped playing MONTHS ago. I mean months ago. Too little too late. Heard it all before.
@@jonpeacock3016 The game is already easy enough to get 700+ kills lol
@@Jakekelley-hs8bk cool
@@Jakekelley-hs8bk Quit playing trivial and try a harder difficulty. Since you are getting 700+ kills on trivial, I would suggest trying easy or medium. Anything beyond medium for you would probably be too challenging. Good luck cadet and spread some democracy!
@@Jakekelley-hs8bk 700 "kills" hardly matters when you're not incentivized to even aim for high kill counts. Hell, you're not even really incentivized to *play* because of all the arbitrary caps, and the breadcrumb resource tied directly to easy to reach caps.. with very long dead air between content drops to actually spend it on.
I remember when they removed the Hellpod steering ability & made it so that stratagems bounce off of terrainbecause they “didn’t want people or turrets landing on top of rocks”, even though bots have super rockets and bugs have hunters that can jump 20 meters. These are the BS changes they need to revert and not gloss over like they never implemented them
Enemies can walk up near 90 degree vertical walls/rocks as well...
Their reason doesn't even make sense. Who cares if a turret or diver is up on a rock for a bit?
Turrets don't last long and a Diver camping on a rock isn't completing objectives.
@@smithynoir9980 can be killed easily too
@@smithynoir9980 not to mention with ranged bugs you aren't staying up there long anyways
@@smithynoir9980 it was cool to get on top of something during exterminations and is feasible and realistic from a strategic perspective
Autocannon is the most versatile and powerful weapon in the game, and they are going to buff it after never nerfing it. Obviously this is the dev fav.
What are you talking about, autocannon has to be the weakest weapon in the game 😉😉 been needing a buff since forever
@@GGBlasterYou’re an actual idiot then.
@@LudlowSRKimagine playing a game and having fun
@@GGBlaster skill issue
It's Pilestedt's favourite...
Calling it now.
Spreadsheet buffs. 1-2 extra mags of ammo, 5% less weapon sway, ect.
If it's simply a spreadsheet buff the game is already doomed, might as well switch to warhammer
I wouldn't be suprised arrowhead loves spreadsheet balancing
Yup. They'll do the same thing they've been doing since the beginning to appease the stupid shills. 10 spreadsheet buffs, accompanying 2 crippling nerfs. The shills will all screech "but there were more buffs than nerfs!" as yet more of the community just walk away and don't look back.
@@mcdirty764 if they don't start actually playing their own game, like they should have been doing since release SM2 will eat them alive.
I'm already itching to get back into SM2 (and also Wukong, but that's different).
I will not be betting against you sir
The buffs sound good, but there's always a catch. I hope this update isnt another overhyped letdown.
Ill believe it when i see it, now my capes still hanging on the rack
I love how everyone said I’m a noob , skill issue , I’m toxic , I’m this I’m that when I said u didn’t need to nerf the railgun , not laughing now tho funny very funny
Space Marine 2 has a MUCH better progression system. Better customization, leveling up weapons and more stuff to strive for in general. IMO it's just turing out to be a much better game overall.
The CEO was talking of further reducing player health to “balance” the buff changes
I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop.
I feel like the fact that they are promising to buff the Autocannon, HMG, and AMR as the first named weapons, is a sign that they still don't understand the issue. Those are already great choices to take into certain mission types, but very few Primary and Secondary weapons feel like they're even worth bringing when you are faced with certain obstacles. Sure, I can use my primary to clear chaff, and that might have been their intent, but if I don't have my Support weapon, and all my stratagems are on cooldown, my only option is to run, because my primary and secondary, are basically dead weight. I bet if they're was a button you could hold to drop your primary and secondary in order to gain a small movement boost, it would be used near constantly. Sure there are some undertuned Support weapons that need to be buffed by maybe 5 damage to properly counteract the bug that you need forward momentum for, but as bad as having a support weapon that doesn't do enough is, having Primaries and Secondaries that do nothing in the best case scenario, and hurt you and your allies in the worst case scenario is gonna make the whole vibe that much worse. The Armor Penetration change sounds like it could be promising, but they still haven't mentioned returning to the old flamethrower visuals, I'll be honest. I don't care if it was a bug that made them change the flamethrower or not, how do you release a patch that makes something graphically look so much worse. Its the opposite of the first Live Action Sonic movie trailer. Instead of listening to fans and adjusting, they seem to be intent on sticking to their original vision. Which is ok, but that original vision doesn't sound like what got me to play for hundreds of hours.
Read again, they legit said that they BUFFED OVER 30 WEAPONS AND STRATAGEMS. Yall want weapon buffs, and maybe we'll get it but its never enough i guess.
They wanted to release the Dark Souls of coop horde shooters, accidentally released something fun, and spent every waking hour since trying to patch it into the Dark Souls of coop horde shooters and losing hundreds of thousands of players in the process
@@SquirrellyOtter With the style and theme they went for? Dedicated patriotism, parody of propaganda and war idealogy isn't a theme that fits a hardcore game.
If they wanted to make a Dark Souls Horde Shooter, they really chose the wrong style to do it with.
@@SquirrellyOtter so who is at fault, the fans for wanting something else or the devs "accidentally" made a fun game.
What I don't see as of now are changes to enemy patrols spawning right behind you, and instantly going agro.
Then there's the past ammo clip nerfs, but in any case this is a good start in right direction to being fun again.
We don't want the game to be -easier- we want it to feel -better-. Armor is fine, what we want is weakspots to feel like weakspots. If you percfectly time and aim a headshot on a bile titan? Dead. You manage to drop a precision strike directly onto a charger or impaler? Should be dead. Right now they are super tanky WHEN you are shooting the 'weakspots' and downright impossible to kill when you aren't.
This. We live in an age where there is no such thing as nuance and everything is extreme. I don't want to kill everything with the liberator and for load outs to be irrelevant.
Right. I want more enemies and the ability to kill more enemies, not the same enemies to feel like chaff. If we can use skill to take down 10 titans then that's awesome, but currently 10 titans is a nightmare scenario with baked in RNG issues. I like armor deflecting shots. It makes sense, I agree that we need skill based weak spots, not easy click and shoot shit. This feedback that led to that specific change is definitely from the swathes of jerks who can't shut up and let the game be what it is when they're bad at it.
Agreed. Just the other day I got a direct hit on a bile titan with an orbital strike, didn't die, landed a 500kg at its feet, didn't die, landed the 2nd one in its leg, pushed through that and continued coming at me lol
I sympathize, but reality is that that does inherently make the game easier. I’m all for stronger weapons and weaker enemies, but let’s not pretend that easier and better here are somehow different.
@@bean5901i landed 4 commandos to ones head after an orbital hit it and it kept going. Not sure if the damage to the head is glitched
AH can talk all day about their 60 day plan, I'm gunna play Space marine 2 as part of my 60 day plan for freedom
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I'll keep my expectations mild for right now. There was a previous patch where they claimed over 100 buffs and while some of the stratagems got better, most of the buffs for primaries were like miniscule.
Here's a buff 0.000001% lol gg
seriously, after that long wait there were maybe one or two primaries that got a decent buff. The rest were either left untouched or were given a tiny one, like +14% durable damage for assault rifles... as if that would fix just how trash they are. They did make some good changes to the machine guns though, and finally made the HMG fun to use with the new armor that reduced that irritating ergonomics mechanic.
So it's not the buff, it's that they didn't buff enough? You do realize this is a live service game, right? Not saying everything's been great, but smaller steps prevent having to nerf something down the road and having to listen to everyone cry again. Just saying. The community did that.
Lots didn't need much. Like the tenderizer maybe add 5 to 10 rounds to the clip and 2 magazines. They could do this with most weapons and I think people would be fine
@@lukemehalick370 when a game feel is heavily affected by breakpoints, miniscule buffs are basically not a change at all.
For example, a gun dealing 60 being buffed to 80 damage may SOUND like a big buff, but it's basically nothingburger if the vast majority of enemies you fight with it have 100 HP.
The buffs that helped weapons meet a new breakpoint in that dozens of buffs patch were generally well received, for example the DCS being buffed to oneshot devastator to the head and always oneshot grunt with decent shot placement was practically agreed by everyone to be an incredible change that helped the gun feel nice to use.
A "primary" weapon should be the weapon you primarily use because it's effective. They way they treat them, your "primary" is treated like a secondary weapon, and the secondary weapon is near pointless.
Everyone mostly uses a MG, Auto Cannon and Stalwart (especially) don't know why they start adding some machine guns to primaries
Primaries need to feel more like support weapons, and support weapons, especially those with limited ammo, should feel really strong. It should be where you only whip them out on big waves or against strong enemies, unless you wanna carry a supply pack, but to where the are generally optional if you wanna run other strats instead. This is how it was in HD1. I basically never ran a support weapon in that game, cause you could kill most stuff with your primary pretty well and a lot of call ins had shorter cooldowns. Plus if you specced for offensive strat use you could use a perk for massively reduced cooldown, dropping railcannons every 36 seconds and strafing runs practically as fast as you could enter the code and throw it. Some strats had durations longer than the cooldown time. lol
I remember when we would get huge, sweeping changes every week after launch for the first 2-3 months, but those are changes that completely nerfed us and buffed enemies. Why does it take so long to make the game better for players but they can immediately issue hot fixes and patches to nerf and frustrate us?
a complete lack of creative oversight of the game balance department. no real testing of new mechanics and a complete lack of people who can actually mod the engine code at a fundamental level to fix broken mechanics.
Funny that, they will nerf ya into the ground rapidly. But buffing they suddenly hit a brick wall for progress..... funny how they will do one so fast, but can't be bothered with the other. Lots of word salad and excuses for why buffing is held back though.
@@KT-pv3klthey don’t have a balance department, and yeah the engine they’re using lost support partway into development, so yeah they’ve likely been fighting with the engine the whole time during development and even to this day still struggle with it.
Replying to OC: correlation, not causation. They made sweeping changes on a weekly basis, which for any team is inhuman and leads to developer fatigue. Fatigued developers make mistakes in development, and those mistakes are what put us in this situation in the first place. The switch to longer periods between updates is to ensure more thoughtful decisions, not necessarily decisions players will agree with.
The balancing fiasco today isn’t AH being thoughtless or malicious or cautious or overzealous. It’s a fundamental disagreement between the experience AH had in mind for the game, and what the players had in mind for the game. AH wanted a hardcore experience, players want a more relaxed experience. And now, AH is changing their vision and design goals to reflect what players want.
@@GGBlaster Sorry, but this take on them wanting hardcore and not relaxing is asinine. You can have both PvE Escape From Tarkov and Single Player Tarkov (mod) is a good example of this. AH has been far too nerf happy and trying to make players lean into stratagems too heavily. Stratagems shouldn't be 3+ minutes long if they want us to rely more on them than primary weapons or even support weapons.
Me and my crew played nothing but Helldive and we would have a blast despite the spawn issues, the tkin (us having fun), and despite the buggy mess that the game was at times. I.E being shot through rocks and buildings by bots, clipping into the ground when knocked down, and Bile Titans having their spit AoE somehow increased.
You have the now ex ceo who more or less said, "When players find something fun, it seems like we take that fun away, and we shouldnt." Despite that sentiment the fun factor for most people that aren't super diehard fans that try to defend everything have just left.
This isnt people wanting a relaxing experience over hardcore. This is just people wanting everything to feel good with a chance to fight the uphill battle, not for them to have nerf guns that barely eliminates before the wind blows said nerf dart away.
Yeah we never said we wanted an EASIER GAME. We wanted the weapons to feel good to use. We want the flame animation back. We want guns to have more ammo so we can use them more. We want rockets to work without diving. We want enemies to actually take damage when we hit them. Honestly a lot of these buffs ALSO seem tone deaf to me. I'm getting this weird feeling that they are once again making changes they don't understand because they DON'T ACTUALLY PLAY THEIR OWN GAME...
The force is strong with this one...
pretty much have to run a supply pack if you want to use your main gun a lot.
This is it right here, the problem hit right on the head. They don't play their own game. Even if somehow the next patch is good, we will always be an update away from the game getting fucked again if they don't do inhouse QA.
I'm hoping chargers won't turn on a dime anymore. More rhinoceros less homing rhinoceros.
Agreed, the chargers turn way too fast (when not charging) and recover way too quickly from a failed charge
Just trick them to run down hills they can turn and run up then without stoping or run them into rocks it’s not that hard
If you just run at them diagonally then 95% of the time they will miss
@@dodowhisperer2114right chargers are very easy to avoid/dodge if you ask me hunters are a pain more than chargers in my opinion.
@@redhot1110the fast, invisible fuckers that have just as much HP and flick you across the map with their tongues without you having any recourse? Yeah, they're my most hated enemy type because there's nothing you can do about them licking your ass into the stratosphere.
And I know someone's gonna say "shoot the weak points". I fucking am, no shit, the fucking things are too tanky, and they close the gap before you can finish them off.
The problem with HD2 is not that it's too difficult now, it's that it's frustrating as fuck. It's just frustrating, not even actually all that difficult. The character is too heavy and ragdolls just a little too much. And why the fuck is there an automatic stand up after getting knocked to the floor? I can't even tell you how many times I've died because the character decided to stand up after ragdolling. Fucking stay down, idiot, so you can stim while on the ground. That's just a couple examples, but the game is full of annoying shit like that, it should have been buffed out by now.
I’ll be genuinely surprised by two things:
1. If they actually follow through, given the last 7 months of unfulfilled promises.
2. If the game isn’t plagued by bugs, glitches, and game-breaking dropouts.
As for me, I don’t see myself returning anytime soon. I just started playing Space Marines 2, and I’ve kind of moved on. I put in 291 hours and felt like they just kept spitting in my face-they didn’t respect my time or money.
Playing 291 hours in a game seems hardly like spitting into your face when it comes to money tbh...
@@Brotenkopf That's like saying "Being married for 10 years hardly seems like a spit in your face as she takes half your stuff in the divorce" or "Getting a burger for a buck hardly seems like a spit in your face as you're sitting on the crapper". Just because something is cheap or lasts long doesn't mean the value was there.
@@Brotenkopf I am critical on how companies operate as a business, because I am a business owner. Time is money, I think they made a couple big mistakes.
1) getting in bed with Sony, was a bad move. I know they did it because they are a small studio and needed capital. I just think Sony is too big to care and as a small business a more personal publisher would have been better. The 177 countries banned and the EU stepping in is a primary example of damage control from the publisher, and how arrowhead had a different vision and like a good boss he took the brunt of the force.
2) they had no long term plan before launch and it cost them dearly. They should have wrapped up the game, waited longer and come up with a 1 year plan of solid content to keep players entertained, even a road map would have helped paved a path.
3) It clear what they created was popular for the gamers, and what they envisioned was complete opposite. As a business owner you are dictated by your customers, but how you conduct yourself, operate your business, and treat people is how your business is perceived and they dropped the ball here really badly. They lost trust and faith in the community and once you lost that it takes alot of time and money to get that back, I would say in a typical business it would work, but as dynamic as the gaming industry is and you have studios with more experience, money and control of their product, I am not seeing that happening for a long time, and if it does it will probably be a little late.
Their first game had 6000 players, I think this game will hold onto 14k and sit around that.
300 hours spended in this game, probably I never return to HD!
Cuz devs don't understand the simple fact that don't made nerfs in PvE games
They need to give us a couple more base defense missions. Those are such fun chaos. Give us MORE FUN!!
Nah dude they want it to be like Tarkov they said it themselves
@@girthquake0 gross
Not if we don't get orange samples... Its the core reason to NOT engage in defense campaigns.
@VercJames I have been maxed on orange samples for so long I guess I assumed everyone was. Even after the big weapons bay expansion I have been maxed. That's my problem with this game. You max everything so damn fast and there is no progression because you can't spend medals or samples on anything pretty quickly in to playing the game.
They should rework the old evacuate the citizens missions into the defense of a fortified town/village with 4 potential spawn points (of which only 2 per wave activate).
"A game for everyone is a game for no-one"
Well... congrats Arrowhead, you turned this into a mess.
Hopefully sony shutting down nerfdiver like concord. And give a refund so I can buy warhammer.
A game for noone and already sold is a profitable game for the dev.
from what I've seen since the the bots got wiped off the map (Apr 7), is this game is only for dif 9+ players and no one else. so in a way the game isn't for everyone.
@@Raider-tn6gh baby want their bottle? 👶
It’s a true saying but they executed it horribly.
Sounds very much like a politician. “We know we broke something but trust us in two weeks it’ll be fixed - four months later - we’re still working on how to fix the mess we made but trust us we will fix what we broke.”. Meanwhile they’re gonna give Warhammer two weeks to show off; not a good plan.
Yeah if they had any real brains or business sense, they would have fixed this weeks ago at the latest, BEFORE Space Marine 2 comes to steal the show.
There's no need for long, design-by-commitee discussions on balance. The needed stat adjustments have been provided by the community for ages.
I know it's easy to say "if it was up to me", but seriously: if I was CEO, first patch would be out within a day and everything would be fixed within a damn week.
Space Marine 2 looks good, but it's not Helldivers. They're not even close to the same type of game.
@@TresTrefusis it’s the same concept. Here’s some awesome equipment, there’s a hoard of enemies, go play nicely with your few teammates and win. I get what you’re saying but it’s the same concept. Shoot, kill, level up, repeat.
@@angmori172 I like the way you think
@@The-Raging-Ram clearly a case of great minds ;)
Honestly, not sure WHY it’s taking so long to give the community what it ACTUALLY wants…
Make. ALL. Weapons. VIABLE
Stop nerfing weapons so they’re ALL equally underwhelming
But that's the communist way!? How else are we all gonne be equally poor!? Lol this game ia dead
Yall legit wanted them to take times with updates and now they are, yall complaining...?
@@reaper_exd7498 figures since Sweden is a communist paradise
@@redfish6549 You fail to understand, and perhaps you just are unable to comprehend that people are individuals and not globs of hivemind, that the people saying one thing almost certainly aren't the same people saying the opposite.
Good job exposing yourself.
Can I get this comment tattooed on the forehead of every arrowhead employee and mirror's installed at their desks
They should have just fixed the bugs on the beginning, not touched the weapons. The Creek was hell, but we LOVED IT. The weapons were viable, yet it was a bloodbath and we pushed through. Most of the things they have done were not necessary and hurt the game.
Still no walk back on the flame changes, which is almost the entire reason for the negative reviews and this whole change in direction.
It should have been their day 1 decision.
They never learn...
@@EnterTheFenix they've already said the flames will never been like they were again ever period. Because apparently it would cause other mechanics in the game to break which is just completely b.s but they seem pretty set in there ways of failure and false promises so who knows.
@@redhot1110 Yeah I did see them say that. But surely you'd just walk it back to how it was before, and then rework the changes to suit?
Maybe im crazy
@@EnterTheFenix it really is that simple but then again I'm no game developer sooo 🤷🏻♂️
They posted today that they'll revert flames back to before the escalation of freedom update, and will buff fire damage by 33%. I'm waiting to see it, but I'm hopeful.
None of what they said in this 'blog' isn't already their modus operandi when it comes to patches. Promises for vague 'balance' changes to incentivize we use 'the proper tools' is what got us in this situation in the first place. I don't see anything here that means Arrowhead has changed what they're doing at all.
EDIT: Just to make a point, look at the wording in the post. Nowhere does it talk about buffs coming with this patch. Reworks, changes, and overhauls do NOT mean things get better. Armor changes to enemies sounds like a buff for player power, but if it's coupled with a rework of the Armor pen system, then it might end up feeling exactly the same, or given Arrowhead's patches so far, worse. Anybody passing this blog off as 'Buffs are coming! Things will be fixed!' is imprinting their own meanings on the message. Nothing has been promised other than they'll do the same things they've done, the same way they've done it in every patch so far.
No, we are here because people where kicking others for not using railgun and shield. Thats when the nerfs started, punishment for kicking for non meta loadout.
@@ricestrike7937I swear you parrots repeat everything you hear when there's nothing to back up what you say. I promise you there are many different reasons people were getting kicked and I doubt meta was prevalent
@@ricestrike7937never stopped to think people just kick others to be horrible people eh?
Because they can.
"some men, just want to watch the world burn"
Arrowhead: "We are listening" *Nerfs everything*
Arrowhead: "We are listening! We mean it!" *Nerfs everything*
Arrowhead: "Look please calm down we understand your concerns!" *Nerfs everything*
Arrowhead: "I promise you the moon!"
Me: "Relist the 170+ countries and stop nerfing everything or go to hell"
Enemy behavior adjustments are needed. Bots and bugs should maneuver according to some sort of roll, condition, and strategy, not just a direct line of approach. The various units should also move at different speed. For example hulk should absorb obscene amounts of damage, I don't agree they should be de-armored, but it should be trivial to out run them or make them overheat and shut down.
Armor penetration should fall into 3 categories.
1. Non-armor piercing. Does no damage. Scratches the paint only.
2. Armor destruction damages and degrades the armor.
3. Armor piercing ignores and destroys armor.
I like the categories, though I do think there should still be a leveling system so you can have medium and heavy armor and armor penetration
@@GGBlaster That would be armor piercing. Light, medium, or heavy. Anything over a category should result in over penatration. Heavy for example would go through 1 more additional medium armored foes. It would go through pretty an unlimited number of unarmored targets until it hits something solid.
Plasma should burn away armor. Degrading it into the next lighter type as the damage mounts.
The hulks actually feel like they're in a good spot right now. Easy to kill if prepared, but possible, although it takes some effort, to kill if unprepared. Chargers don't feel like that because they're too fast, glitchy, and tanky.
@@Ace11Sky I have been a bot diver since the beginning, my first dive was on Automatons and I played them until I was on level 8 only. Man diving on malevelon creek and crawling through the trees and bushes while enemy lasers flew over my head was one of them most awe inspiring and FUN moments I have had in my gaming career. The only thing they need to change is have the rocket devs either run out of ammo or increase the reload time by 10 seconds at least. If they just did that, which maybe they did I haven't seen the devblog yet lol, my adhd ass reading comments as I am listening to the video might go against me right now but that's how I feel about the bots. They would be PERFECT to me with that change.
I totally agree on the enemy strategy idea, it would be so much better if bots tried to surround you and suppress, some enemies have a higher chance to take a defensive position while others try to close the gap or flank, it would be 10x cooler that way
I can't wait to get 2-3 little buffs and 20 stealth nerfs to the guns and stratagems on top of 20 stealth buffs to the bugs and automatons again!
its odd that they go by meta data so hard. I would think they'd have at least 3-4 people that know how these things work together. I know some have posted that they dont play their own game, but I have to wonder how close to reality that is. Guns either plink or have no ammo.
when putting their BEST foot forward in a promo event where the devs played with some streamers they showed a fundamental lack of understanding of basic enemy and armor mechanics and never completed any mission above t5
you don't send bad players to a promo event when you want to show your company from the best possible angle.
Almost like they do not even play their own game
The fact that the taboo word "balance" has been mentioned proves Arrowhead hasn't learned a damn thing.
the fact the FAQ mentions “underperforming or OVERPERFORMING” tells me they still think something is still too powerful while they “kill meta” 😅
Spreadsheet Devs SMH
@@IceHeartAlpha We know that the commando and the guard dog rover are still on the chopping block.
Is that because you want one gun meta? You don't want to even try another play style?
The game is unbalanced we get our asses handed to us by the enemies way to often it’s not fun getting spam killed by enemies every five seconds
It’s all talk. At this point, with stiffening competition*, they need to deliver or face the consequences.
Whatever remains of the community will disappear when space marine 2 fully releases on saturday
Yeah the played a good old fashion game of fuck around... now they have to find out and lose out on their opportunities in the future due to this absolute blunder
Personally it's too late I just bought Space Marine 2 and I'm consumed. As far as I'm concerned Hellwhaters??? 😂
@@LeNathDuNet I got the early access (will likely stream it later tonight) version, only got to play half an hour before work.
So far, SM2 is excellent. The weight of the character feels better than HD2, less ragdolling and waiting for your character to actually move.
The combat is very different, you're basically encouraged to be aggressive, and given the tools to parry, dodge, etc.
A huge advantage is the chainsaw sword, for sure. HD2 not having any melee weapons just seems ridiculous.
Graphics-wise, space marine 2 is more stylized, slightly less realistic, but beautiful. While HD2 relies heavily on explosions and particle effects, SM2 is more ornate and detailed, the world's are obviously much more detailed. There are structures that are beautiful and complex. HD2 buildings are generally fairly simple, not too aesthetic. The world's are more bare, but have amazing particle effects and lighting. I'd give SM2 the edge here, but HD2 could catch up if they had more aesthetic architecture and all that.
There's no jump mechanism in either game. Helldivers get the signature ground dive, space marines have parries and dashes.
SM2 also seems to have a campaign mode and be more stroy-driven, whereas HD2 is a collection of random missions without a true story narrative. Obviously, there is continuation and story in the general sense (game master plans), but there aren't characters that you know and develop a bond with. I think, in this case, I also have to give the won over to SM2.
Combat feel: with the space marines, it's hard for me to tell with so little play time so far, but it feels like you're encouraged to be aggressive while looking out for big attacks that you may need to defend.
Helldivers are basically constantly under fire and stress, always on the back foot - when this feeling is pervasive, and enemies can shoot through walls and terrain, it eventually just feels like shit. When the game launched before they ruined it, it was a mix of being offensive and defensive, and it was a good balance. Now, it's just rundivers. The guns all feel like
.22lr rifles.
Helldivers is in big trouble with SM2 coming out.
SM2 has too many advantages over it.
If Arrowhead wants HD2 to survive, they need to:
1. Story craft better, way better, get gamers more involved with the lore.
2. Fix the fucking crashes. Non-stop fucking crashes.
3. Rework the weapons to actually be good.
4. Work on the aesthetics of the buildings, maybe introduce planets with more human activity.
5. More enemy types/factions.
6. Lower stratagem cool downs.
7. Decrease enemy tankiness, increase number of enemies.
8. Fix spawns (no more random enemy spawns from thin air when I destroy all the bot factories or bug hives) so that they make sense.
9. Change the difficulty of the game by new mechanisms and enemy/character behavior, rather than by buffing enemies and nerfing players/weapons.
Sorry.... What stiffening competition? Talking about the AAA games from massive game devs and endless funding?
Or all the other massive planetary PvE games???
Oh ... Not really comparable at all bud
I remember when it all started, when they killed off the Rail gun all those months ago. People started to see the writing on the wall then. The "gEt goOd BroOs" were hurling insults, others were calling the doomsayers crazy. Now here we are. "BUFF EVERYTHING....Space Marine 2 is coming out!"
I believe it when I see it.
Did you commit treason at 14:00 in the background?🤔😂
I saw it to 👀🤣
@@lukehm6212 just wanna make sure that I wasn’t the only one😂
Legit haven't touched HD since the flamethrower nerf, and now with wukong being my game for now I don't plan on touching it
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Yeah, see, problem with that is that today I played Space Marine 2 and just the tutorial gave me all the horde combat Helldivers ever promised. Where the horde actually runs at you and you can gun it down until it eventually overwhelms you, not spawn underneath you. And with guns that actually blows the bugs to bits, not mildly tickle them.
To little to late Helldivers, a few months to late.
Flamethrower reverted? No? Not interested.
Same.
Litterelly the only nerf I'm upset about
Skill issue
@@thecinematicexperience420 Explain, child.
It’s troll just leave him
Arrowhead: * Sees Space Marine 2’s success *
“CRAP! Fix the stuff we were holding onto!”
“It’s no good sir, we lost the player’s trust!”
Every time they patch they break it with bugs, the bugs are usually associated with a weapon that “over performs”. Said weapon is then nerfed into the ground. Rinse and repeat,don’t fix the problem.AH couldn’t find their own a$$ with a map and both hands
The funny thing is they really don’t have to change much. Just make it like 1.0 again
Until the game is updated, this devlog is just words on paper. My trust is broken. Earning it back will take time. Even then, new games are coming out every month.
They only accounted for about 10-30k people... guess they got what they wanted
Escalation of Boredom, here, I fixed the update name for you.
Lmao
Words are wind. Lets see what the storm brings
Got Space Marines downloading right now. I will return to Helldivers as an Angel of Death.
Of until they fix the game
Hope you enjoy duder
Looks good but not amazing.
The patch will be release the 17th. We'll see about It.
Ah yes gears of war but warhammer
@@IanSizzlerlooks better than helldivers
Something tells me with concord costing them both 100mil and massive worldwide reputation, Sony have looked at their best game of 2024 and realised that it too is heading down the crap shoot. This has caused them to realise they won’t have anybody to milk for the CEO salaries they enjoy and have turned to AH with question marks…
crap shoot means a gamble, like when you shoot out the dice at a craps table. youre thinking of chute, probably like a garbage chute in an apartment building. im not trying to be a dick, i just feel like you'd rather know than not.
It won't affect them in the least. Sony is huge, like Amazon, they will spend gross amounts of money at a loss to have what they want and ignore fans/customers. See the ratings for rims of power, that got a second season. Games are no different, concord, dustbin, etc... for the ever promoted modern audience that never shows up to support the content. This is propaganda to turn society in the desired direction of a small percentage of degenerates.
What a massive waste of time. They've spent most of the last 7 months going nerf, buff, nerf, buff, break, fix. Where are the faction bosses, city scapes, new modes, illuminate. 2 more weeks to wait for devs to buff their nerfs.
All that dev time wasted instead of just adding things to the game that are sorely lacking...
@@LordVader69420 imagine if they didnt try to nanny us on how the game should be played and just rolled with the massive community they were handed on a silver platter.
Sony shot the game in the foot trying to artificially inflate their playstation active accounts, Arrowhead shot the game in the stomach for a slow death by nerfing fun instead of buffing boring.
Not a single mention of reverting the magazine nerfs (Incendiary Breaker, etc.)... Not expecting anything from AH anymore...
Those magazine nerfs are egregious, that and the past patrol spawn rate changes, along with the nerfs, are what ultimately chased me away.
what happened to the flamethrower was terrible, but dawg the mag nerfs are barely noticeable. Ammo is littered all over the map AND you have a full resupply every 3 minutes...
I learned very early on, "never put anything past anybody" and never allow hype to over shadow judgment. Most of this sounds good. But I am reserving judgment until I see it in action. All I want is for this game to feel fun and good again. That’s it. I’m keeping my expectations in check.
Before we start screaming about this being too easy, let’s remember what the first incarnation of this game was. The first incarnation was not this hard for the sake of hard, milsim, realistic wanna be, Soulslike. It was a wild, fun, and a bit wacky game that made you feel like the elite of the SESF (that’s what Helldivers are! We aren’t the PDF or regular grunt SEAF). Anyone could jump in and have fun. Losing a mission dying didn’t feel frustrating. Battles felt exhilarating, not dreadful. You kinda wanted to get into a fight while pushing towards the objective. You didn’t wanna stealth around it, run away from it, or not get into one. You wanted to be pushed, but not to the point that the push felt unbearable that a full retreat was needed. I hope we’re getting back to that. But another thing I learned early on, "hope is the first step on the road to disappointment".
This needs to be properly balanced. Not too easy and not too hard. Weapons should feel good to use & weak points should be weak points. But I’m no fool, I know that’s a hard line not to cross on either side.
Too little too late. For the EMPEROR BROTHERS
I love how you can hold the entire side of this defense mission with just turrets, even on Super Helldive. I'm still going to play as I don't really have anything else I want to purchase at this time. That aside, they shit the bed on this game and there is nothing to stop them from shitting the bed again down the road. No trust and zero faith in them at this point for any positive expectations.
I have a problem when I hit a Bile Titan with 4 spears just to kill the god damned thing.
I just want my flame thrower back...😭
Dude it’s fine that’s my main on bugs git gud
I hear ya
@@thelazyfox8070We get it, you're a big tough guy
@@thelazyfox8070 git gud hurr durr
@@thelazyfox8070 git gud is code for " im a boot licker"
Man, I genuinely liked the Bolt action shrapnel, I mean, it was fun! And when it wasn't, it was funny
I just want the update to be overall positive with actual gameplay improvements. My squad took a break before the PSN thing happened and never came back because of the nerfs and lack of bug fixes. It doesn't matter how much I focus on the positive stuff every update, it's hard to ignore "Oh and this weapon got nerfed and this bug is still in the game and there looks to be another big crash issue with the new mission."
Maybe more people should tell the idiots at the studio that nerfing the weapons in a pve game is stupid.
15:53 the charger vibing in the background 🤣🤣🤣
Crazy footage, right?
😂 Ik I had to rewind that too.
@@AwankO He was over there doing that for about 20 minutes!
if they just bring the game to its original state at launch weapon wise everyone will be happy
I'll believe it when I see it.
Its like the tortoise and the hare out here bro. They were miles ahead, racing towards the finish line, when they just stopped and ignored all of their surroundings. Then, when they lose, they provide a million different excuses when everyone's already watching the turtles next race.
They should've never made any drastic buff changes. Pushed so many players out regardless of how many people continuously defended the devs. You can defend them and say "go play something else then" and that is exactly what many players did. it was a good game while it lasted.
let's be real, it is their last chance to return to winners lane
I believe it when it's in the game, working.
I just can't see myself coming back. They broke trust so many times I see this update coming out and then getting nerfed in the update after that. But who knows, maybe Helldivers 2 can make a comeback...
@@wooddawood You still commenting under some minuscule video about the game like some kind of addict tho. Doomposters are so funny when they say they never ever ever return under like 10 separate rant videos.
@@Steir12 Well i mean, I still want to know what's happening with the game, just in case. But I guess I'm doing a bit of doomposting.
I got 2 solid ideas.
1) Flame weapons should have a psychological effect on bugs, maybe even bots. If the ground is on fire, they should try to avoid/leave it if possible. It doesn’t do a lot of immediate damage; I feel like fire’s main appeal (beyond FIRE) is its DOT effect. Making you able to slow down enemies by laying down a wall of fire, or making them scatter, would add some risk/reward to its use.
2) Cryo weapons. We use bullets, lazers, and fire. Bring us cold weapons! They function either like lazers or flamethrowers, maybe do less damage, but slows enemies, making it easier to run away from them, help crowd control the swarms a bit.
@@MrDiverRick psychological kinda makes sense for the bots considering one of the tips in loading screens says when bots are under fire there sensors become overloaded making them less accurate sooooo imagine if there sensors are actually on fire itd probably really mess with em 😂🤷🏻♂️ but I guess that wouldn't really be psychological more of a mechanical problem? Idk I get you though.
@@redhot1110 The deeper lore behind that statement is that they do feel emotion, it's super earths way of saying "nicely" that you can traumatize the bots, they are made with human bodies after all maybe the human brains in the skulls still feel when powered it would be cool asf.
@@schloany4479 Fire work even on modern MBTs.
How you fight when you cant see shit. Bugs getting their eyes vaporised and bots cleaning their lenses would be fun, not like cage net bots would not have their insides fried.
They need external exposed heatsinks and can ignore flames.
AH designing tank that can be destroyed with small arms but heat sink that cant.
@@schloany4479 I agree that would be super cool!
Too little too late.
Two things:
I don't think the devs are listening to the comments, really. The game doesn't have to be easier, that's not what people are asking for. Weapons should be impactful: hits on weakspots, strategical use, armor pen should function as they are described. The flamethrower should again lay down a carpet of napalm. We need the bots to not constantly clip through walls.
The other thing is that with Space Marine 2 releasing this Monday, I think the battle is lost for Helldivers 2. They should have fixed the problens the players have been complaining about for months. The players that are leaving for Space Marine 2 will probably not return.
Yep. You nailed it. They should all be fired honestly for incompetence. This is a competitive business. They fumbled it and forgot that if they keep failing customer satisfaction then other competitors will take over. Sad to see it, but too little too late.
Our Crusade begins today, Brothers! No pity! No remorse! No fear!
Maybe we'll check out HD2 in 6 weeks, maybe they'll buff the weapons, maybe they'll fix the bugs, maybe we'll be back but we'll definitely pay the Imperiums tithe.
The Emperor Protects.
The emperor needs me sorry not sorry
Remember when we said what we wanted, and they mocked us, refused to listen, doubled down, didn't give up an inch? It genuinely seemed like us becoming good at the game upset them in some way. It went from "what's the strat for this, let's work it out?" to "they just hate us". Geeks by their own admission, I think they RP'd a little too hard. There's literally nothing they could do that would bring me back to that game, and I played a LOT.
Great, still not coming back. It’s called burning a bridge for reason. Shouldn’t have ignored overwhelming feedback and let your devs mouth off for months.
Maybe chargers won’t be able to bust 180 degree turns on a dime to smack us across the map?
Of course the autocannon gets buffed.
It's Pilestedt's favourite...
Honestly, that's the most funny part to me. They said the AC was perfectly balanced... now they're buffing it.
4:15 The way the Armor Penetration works is the exact same as we see it with normal games, it's just how it's framed that is different.
How a normal game works is:
No Damage - Your weapon is too weak. You can't do anything to the enemy.
Straight Damage - This weapon is designed for this enemy. All of your damage goes through.
Critical Damage - This weapon is overkill (or there is no armor protecting the enemy). You do 2x amount of damage.
The main difference (and the source of confusion as to how the damage works) is what the damage values are displayed as. For some reason, with the weapon's damage values as they are given in the game, Arrowhead forgot to include the word "Maximum". That exclusion leads people to believe that instead of being the maximum damage something can do, it instead should be the standard amount it does. In reality, if they excluded the word "Maximum" and halved all of the damage numbers, it would be reflective of expected damages for matching armor types. Following a different route, they could simply add "Maximum" when stating damage values, and it would be understood that the weapon cannot output any more damage than that.
When you think of it in terms of NO DAMAGE, STANDARD DAMAGE, and CRITICAL DAMAGE it's much more straightforward, though.
I was looking for this comment, thank you. It was frustrating that LtBuzz was getting confused by normal armor mechanics that are used in a lot of games.
As long as all weapons are more dangerous for my enemies, my squad, and myself... I'M IN.
They used some terms that concern and counteract their supposed backtracking with all their screwups, which, so far, have been nothing but hot air. " As a key part of the rework we have done an initial balancing pass on over 30 weapons and stratagems. " There it goes with the term 'balancing,' which we know intimately now. When balancing comes into play with a game such as this, it is a big issue because it was nothing but nerfs and ridding fun for players, which was why this game tanked so hard, and they thought otherwise. I don't know. I am still skeptical and will not play until I see real change and videos showcasing it.
You know there's nothing said of a Weapon "Buff"Pass, just "Balancing"Pass! This rings ALL my Alarm Bells...
the devs literally talk in detail about what they're doing in the patch and people still make up shit to get upset about
Honestly the only thing that will give me hope for AH is if they come out and say "we fired 10 different people who were responsible for all the nerfs and bad decision making". Who was that guy Alex something? He should be blacklisted from the industry entirely.
This rings of the same old promises reworded, I'll get excited when I actually see positive changes, not falling for their same tricks all over again.
Everyone is playing Space Marine 2 right now lol
Whats crazy is we dont have to tear down helldivers 2 players to enjoy space marines 2. Same goes the other way around. If you're having fun with friends, do that. Thats the over all point, lets try to keep that in mind.
*In Tony Hayward's voice, CEO from BP*:
We are deeply sorry.
We're sorry.
We're sorry.
We're sorry.
Sorry...
This is gonna be a pure spreadsheet balance. Don't get your hopes up.
I always think of the clip from South Park when I hear this.
My youtube feed was just as excited as me to watch this video the second it was uploaded lol
Can't wait for them to "fix a bug" where all explosive eagle airstrikes do explosive damage. They will now no longer do explosive damage and will function as intended
They nerfed lvl 10 bugs recently. I can't tell you how many missions I've had only a couple Titans, few chargers, and no spikies. Lvl 10 is supposed to be insanity, but it feels like lvl 8 used to feel. Still having fun though!
Difficulty LvL 3 was insane for myself and new helldiver level 5 friend. 3-5 patrols of hunters every 30-60 seconds absolutely NUTS
i finish a level 10 yesterday it was so ez it was boring we totaled 860 kill all 4 together then we played same planet but level 5 we lost 12 life in the first 15 minute we extracted with no more life, one dead. we took all the time and we ended up with a total of 1950 kill the only diff was no bile titan and maybe 10 charger total the rest was just small bug jumping 10 meter away straight on you and killing you in 2-3 hit the balance is thrash the little bug are more annoying than ANY big one even the impaler is soft next to a damn hunter. logic should be reverse having 2k kill should be only in level 8 and higher not in a freaking level 5 i definitly have a bigger challenge in level 5-6 than any 8-9-10
@@BalgaBeardiff 3 can be a seriously inconsistent experience. Sometimes it’s empty, other times it’s patrol, patrol, bug breach, patrol, patrol, bug breach patrol nonstop. Best recommendation would be to equip some radar boosting armor or booster, use map to avoid patrols, and above all else never stay in one place any longer than you absolutely have to.
@@BalgaBearthat’s only the beginning
@@BalgaBearbuddy wtf you’re garbage, I’ll run some lvl 10s with you if you ever down, I’m make you a man.
Their buff: Increased damage by 5
Nerfs: Reduced magazine number by 3, increased enemy health by 300
Known issues: Ragdolling. We know and we can't fix it lmao
@CBRN-115 cry harder little buddy
Not too much way too fucking late
They have no heavy armor-penetrating weapons, this is one of the main reasons I have cut my play time down significantly. How these devs don't understand this yet just shows me they are word salading the player base in "making changes".
I've come to respect your opinion on Helldivers over a few months and watch your content a lot. I, and maybe lots of others, would enjoy a video a couple days after the release on the topic of, "Should you come back". I haven't played since the jungle themed warbond came out and would like a video discussing the topic of if you think it's worth picking up again. Thanks.
Yeah yeah yeah, they panic buff because we caught them in their shady tactics of releasing a warbond pack after a debuff of our favorite weapons after ringing out all of our favorite weapons throughout the whole game's life.
I'm so sick of them acting like the saving grace for a problem they created.
Funny how desperate they are...
So they make changes players want and now they're desperate? Theres really no pleasing you weirdos
@nahfr. No that's not it at all, but you people on the other hand will complain regardless.
We've been vocal before and nothing big has changed regarding how most of the weapons feel weak & borderline useless.
Only up till now after majority of their players have left do they decide to listen to the fans and make the game fun.
@@tobiasrex8052 so what? Its not like you were playing then anyway. Now you just have something to play on the 17th
@@nahfr.Wrong. But it's common for you people to make inaccurate assumptions on what other people do based on the fact their opinions don't align with yours.
When people love a title they'll voice their concerns, and when they've been ignored for 4+ months, those same passionate players become extremely skeptical and critical of that game and only want to see it succeed.
@@tobiasrex8052 so why keep voicing your opinions to a brick wall? What sense does that make? Ig ots common for you people to just be ignored 😏
Also the 60 day plan has been going on, why waste your time complaining whn you could js play smthn else?
Even just implementing the armour penetration changes you put forward would make it feel much better.
@@baconbagels5475 👍
What SM2 classes are the devs gonna play as 😊
It's too late, I don't feel like downloading this game ever again, but I still enjoy your videos!
YEEEEAH in a meeting right now but I cant wait to hear this.
I'm having a meeting right now about this.
Helldivers 2 updates: SEPTEMBER 17TH
Dear Helldivers,
Intelligence committees everywhere on super earth and across the Galaxy
have been working hard to enhance our weapons as well as interfere with our enemies weaponry.
We have done well.
Here are our most recent updates:
1.) breaker shotgun damage increased, stagger increased, ammo increased.
2.) Enemy AI enhanced for bots and terminids.
3.) Armor pen reworked for all weapons.
4.) Hulks to have lower armor
5.) Combat to be more balanced.
6.) Bile titans armor reduced (easier penetration)
7.) Improvements for flamethrower, autocannon, heavy machinegun.
8.) Number of rockets fired by enemies (gunships, devastators) will be lowered overall at higher difficulty levels.
9.) Rail cannon up to 250% damage modifier at overcharge.
Good luck Helldivers.
Space marine 2 respect us. Super earth abandonned us. Its time to move on
It sounds incredible. I hope that they deliver. If they can find the sweetsspott, the game will explode, because the gunplay and feel of this game is nothing short of sublime.
Redemption of the Escalation of Freedom 😏👌
Escalated Escalation of Freedom
The redempsclation
I would not call it a redemption yet until that patch drops their just yaping like they always have
@@perimukbro just wait, stop hating if it's already come out
@@B-rex127 Hating would be calling it a trash game. im just stating my opinion based on all the shit ive seen so far.
Undermatch = Cannot penetrate thus causes no internal damage
Match = Round has lost most of it's energy penetrating the armor causing less damage.
Overmatch = Easily penetrates and causes full damage.
This makes sense. What does not make sense is the pen values of the weapons and armor values of enemies.
Will be playing Space Marine 2. But hey if they fix HD2 it’s a win.
I just wanna customize my helldiver and change his outfit color
They should've dropped the patch today.
Now I'm dropping the game.
Oh no, god forbid you actually leave... what will AH do now? :o
Playing helldivers feels like being a conscript in the Russian army.
Ooof
I think thats what they were going for. ‘Fresh meat for the grinder’