A Glove For Any Season - Scuba Tech Tips: S03E13

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  • Опубликовано: 3 дек 2024

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  • @helmutlive
    @helmutlive 5 лет назад +3

    I am totally new to diving. But your instructions are incredibly useful and enjoyable as well. You’re the born teacher!

  • @saraha3958
    @saraha3958 5 лет назад +3

    I get cold maybe because I’m old. Anyway I wear a drysuit all year round & I have just had a dry glove ring system installed. It’s fantastic. I don’t use the wrist seals (no more trying to squeeze your hands through them). I found the fabric type inner gloves stick to the outer gloves so I now use a fine wool/possum fur inner glove & this makes getting the outer gloves on so easy. Your videos are super informative. Thanks Alex

  • @edwinrivera5155
    @edwinrivera5155 7 лет назад +2

    Thank you sir for allowing us to know about scuba diving, we really appreciate and enjoy the class of your school

  • @fred9za
    @fred9za 7 лет назад

    at 36 i just started snorkeling and looking at diving soon but have learned allot from these vids thank you for this production

  • @MrRodgerMoore
    @MrRodgerMoore 8 лет назад

    Thanks Alec I have watched all your videos. Greetings from Hobart Tasmania- the southern most part of Australia! :)

  • @Rohanology27
    @Rohanology27 8 лет назад

    Very well done Alec your tips are helpful as always

  • @bobrose7900
    @bobrose7900 5 лет назад +1

    Great video again, thank you. The protective kevlar glove would be very useful when working on the bottom of a boat and when grabbing hold of wooden pontoons where the splinters can really upset your day. Shops palm (excuse the pun) you off with anything it seems when you're unfamiliar with a product. I was also told I didn't need a hood but insisted and have one on order. What about a video on hoods and head protection. I know first hand how hard the underside of a boat con be when working on the prop!

  • @williamgauthier9294
    @williamgauthier9294 8 лет назад

    Good information to be learned from this video. And I agree 100% with it being "your" choice weather to wear gloves or not. I did not know that some places do not allow gloves, I am a new diver. And I will want to wear gloves so I will put them in my bc pocket and use as needed. Thanks for letting me know this.

  • @neal3800
    @neal3800 8 лет назад

    Love the videos, keep them coming!

  • @TomKnudsen
    @TomKnudsen 8 лет назад +1

    Hi, subscriber from Norway, drysuite diver all year round, especially when the snow is a couple of feet high to catch the clear north sea. Thanks for the video about "What instructors told you not to do video"

  • @karlmarx7450
    @karlmarx7450 8 лет назад

    cool, thanks. (an idea for next tips: types of dry gloves, rings, etc.); thanks.

  • @Slick85
    @Slick85 8 лет назад

    Thank you Alec

  • @johanlusari639
    @johanlusari639 7 лет назад +2

    I cut myself holding on the anchor line, now I always keep my gloves in my BC, great video, thank you

  • @KITsune-ICHI
    @KITsune-ICHI 8 лет назад

    One item to consider is in tropical waters you sometimes don't want any insulation. I wear dynema gloves that have less insulation than 3mm but are abrasion resistant enough for wrecks and spearfishing.

  • @joshuawade8319
    @joshuawade8319 8 лет назад

    Alec, This was a very informative video, thank you. I wanted to ask if you would consider doing a video on the different types of BCDs, (back inflate, vest, even plate and wing if they differ substantially from back inflate), and may be go over the positives and negatives of each design based on your personal experience. Best, Josh

    • @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
      @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter  8 лет назад

      +Joshua Wade
      I'm on it Joshua.
      Thanks for watching.
      Alec

    • @lsorense
      @lsorense 8 лет назад

      +Joshua Wade I like my Bare Voodoo BCD which is both back inflate and a vest at the same time. I get the impression Bare may have stopped making it though. Actually I think they stopped making BCDs entirely about 4 years ago. I seem to have managed to like and buy a number of Bare products that they then decide to stop making shortly after. :)

    • @joshuawade8319
      @joshuawade8319 8 лет назад

      Lennart, thanks for the tip.

  • @mizzorian
    @mizzorian 8 лет назад +1

    there is another type of glove in between dry and wet; a semi dry glove which incorporates two layers of cuffs, so one tucks under the suit and the other over. I read lots of good reviews about them where people dive in 40 F water

    • @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
      @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter  8 лет назад

      I've seen lots of ideas for gloves and most are OK but often involve a lot of effort to use. I don't like to rely on my buddy to get my gear, gloves or otherwise, on. One starts to feel more like an astronaut than a diver. Plus there's the safety factor. We use a 5mm wet glove for most diving. If it's very cold we go to a decent dry glove (Sitec). Both are easy on and off. Anything in between is splitting hairs. Good to try but not really necessary.
      One should be able to get both gloves on and off without too much effort and without help.
      All the Velcro straps and double cuffs may keep your hand warmer for a few more minutes but the glove is also impossible work with. Try getting those cuffs off or undoing Velcro straps WHILE WEARING GLOVES!!
      As is often the case in diving, a great idea becomes a great pain in the a** in practice.

  • @AJGeminay
    @AJGeminay 4 года назад

    Alex,
    Ure like the grandfather i wish i could have😊.
    Thanks for all the tips.
    This is the 3rd videos ive watched today.

  • @acalkins711
    @acalkins711 8 лет назад

    wonderful video on gloves. I've been diving with a dry glove and locking ring system for about 10 years or so now (didn't know they had thinsulate liners, so I'm going to look into those). I do have those yellow liners and I'm not keen on them, but use them sometimes. I have a little different donning system that makes my life easier for that liner and glove system. I put the liner on first, then put my hand through the sleeve and out the wrist seal of the drysuit (this traps the cuff of the liner under the wrist seal so it doesn't get caught in the locking ring system of the dry glove. It also allows air to move from the suit into the dry glove (albeit, not quickly, but it also helps keep my hands warm). Here's the rub/caveat...if you get a hole in your dry glove, yes...you're gonna get water that will seep up the liner and into your dry suit...no more "dry suit"...so you have to make your choices...is this worth it? For me, my dry gloves have never failed me by leaking). I have very tiny hands and even the smallest size of that blue dry glove was pretty big and the fingers were waay too long. That yellow poly liner is too thin, so there was also a lot of "slop" in the dry glove At this time I'm using a liner that I've created and that takes up the slop and keeps my fingers warm. Thank you again for your videos, thought you might find this of interest...

    • @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
      @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter  8 лет назад

      +A Calkins
      Yes. Thanks.
      Try the Thinsulate liners. They do come in a smaller size than the yellow poly and they are much warmer, even when wet.
      Alec

  • @rs2867
    @rs2867 6 лет назад +4

    Thanks from the UK. I've never actually worn a wetsuit, only a dry suit.

    • @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
      @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter  6 лет назад +2

      Never worn a wetsuit!! So you're not really a diver then. I'm kidding Richard!
      In the Uk a dry suit is pretty much essential but one day you must try a wetsuit, in warmer water.
      It gives you a feeling of being in the water. A dry suit takes that away a bit.
      Good to hear from you. Where in the UK?
      Alec

    • @rs2867
      @rs2867 6 лет назад +1

      Alec Peirce Scuba I totally agree, wearing a dry suit is a big hassle and cumbersome. I cant wait to dive in a wetsuit and feel comfortable. I'm based in Sheffield which is middle of the UK, a lot of my dives have been quarry based but got a few trips coming up to mull, farnes and eyemouth to see some wrecks etc. Hoping to get a trip booked abroad too. About to pass sports diver with bsac. Your videos are great by the w ay, very genuine and honest.

    • @robertbritton656
      @robertbritton656 6 лет назад

      Richard Slater The Farne islands and St Abbs at Eyemouth are fantastic dives.
      Prepare for a long walk from the car park at Eyemouth, unless you're going on a boat.

    • @scubasteveandunderwaterroc3547
      @scubasteveandunderwaterroc3547 6 лет назад

      Any tips for drysuit training? (And thanks for coming around in this older video)

    • @rs2867
      @rs2867 6 лет назад

      Scuba Steve and Underwater Rock Climbing My advice would be to get someone to train you but what I would say is don't ever ever use a weight belt with a dry suit. Because the dry suit compresses and if you don't tighten the belt up at depth it will end up slipping down around your legs and then you can struggle to get it back on. I've seen it happen, he shot to surface after failed attempts to put the belt back on and he panicked. Integrated weights are much better and safer in my opinion but I'm sure Alec will give better advice than I ever can.

  • @MrVincehannah
    @MrVincehannah 6 лет назад +1

    Did my dry suit cert in Iceland, in the Silfra, a glacier fed lake. Clearest and cleanest water in the world. Water was 1C, air temp was the same but with a thick neoprene drysuit and just the regular dummy gloves, was perfectly warm and was ready for tank 2 immediately!! Go if you can!!

    • @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
      @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter  6 лет назад +1

      Great! I've never dived in Iceland but the photos I've seen are incredible.
      We hope to visit sometime soon and may try to arrange a dive.
      Thick neoprene suits are not the most popular choice these days. Everyone goes for the latest and best fancy material but there's nothing as warm as a good fitting 5-7mm neoprene dry suit!
      Take care.
      Alec

    • @Tapio86
      @Tapio86 4 года назад

      @@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter normally also unmatched in durability.

  • @MrArthurSimpson
    @MrArthurSimpson 8 лет назад

    Hello, sir. I'm new to diving. I'm wondering what YOU look for in a BC. I have some preconceptions (solid D rings, decent pockets, durability, comfort) but would like to know what seasoned divers demand in their BC. I generally prefer things to be hard use and truly able to stake my life on. Any recommendations? I love your videos and have seen them all. I have the luxury of watching your videos as I"m getting into the sport, but even the experienced divers I share your video with seem to be learning new things. Thank you, sir.

  • @jasonarnold8871
    @jasonarnold8871 8 лет назад +1

    Hi Alec,
    As a new diver I love your videos but was wondering if you would be able to convert things such as temperature when you do your videos otherwise I have to keep stopping the video to work it out!

    • @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
      @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter  8 лет назад

      +Jason Arnold
      Hi Jason.
      I talked about this on another Tech Tip and you have a good point.
      However, I'm old and I'm definitely NOT politically correct. No I'm not Trump but I do say what I think (provided it doesn't offend anyone).
      So, I use the old English system most of the time. I have learned to convert in my mind to get a rough idea. So for instance, 100kmh is about 60 mph (100 km X .6) and so on.
      For temperature try this, 30 is cold (freezing), 50 is mild, 70 is really nice, 90 is hot. See, 30, 50, 70, 90. For you that would be 0, 10, 20, 30.
      What do you use for pressure in your tank - psi, bar, n/mm?
      Thanks for watching. Alec

    • @mizzorian
      @mizzorian 8 лет назад

      you could just add annotations on the video every time you mention a unit

    • @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
      @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter  8 лет назад

      I'll speak to Kevin about that. Thanks.

  • @hollandhollywood329
    @hollandhollywood329 8 лет назад

    I live in the Caribbean and have found it very convenient and effective to store my regulators and fish gun rubbers by 1st coating them with ArmourAll and putting them in a plastic bag and keeping them in the fridge. I find this maintains the rubber in good condition. Please advise me whether this is a good idea. Love all your vids and tip tho.

    • @hollandhollywood329
      @hollandhollywood329 8 лет назад

      Thank you so much for your quick response. I wish my lawyer replied that fast. lol. Thanks again, love your vids.

  • @jwjco
    @jwjco 5 лет назад +1

    Lake superior , absolutely 3 finger mitts 38 for a temp.

  • @Richard1976
    @Richard1976 5 лет назад +3

    That dryglove looks massive. Getting my drysuit in about a month.. Not sure yet which gloves i should go for. Watertemp over here in winter is about 6 to 10 degrees celcius. Please advice?

    • @DEVINE.IMAGE.
      @DEVINE.IMAGE. 4 года назад

      I have the same dry gloves he showed very easy to use well worth it when your body is warm you will feel cold hands more then in a wetsuit because your hole body is cold in a wetsuit so just go for the dry gloves because you will eventually

  • @wgo100
    @wgo100 5 лет назад +1

    Great video’s; wish that everyone wearing gloves in warm water would behave like Alec. Wearing gloves invites an enormous amount of “divers” to hold on to anything without looking what they are gripping.

    • @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
      @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter  5 лет назад +5

      It's called education.
      Banning gloves doesn't teach anything, other than how to bandage a cut hand!
      Thanks for watching.
      Alec

    • @Tapio86
      @Tapio86 4 года назад

      I got told they do not want us to use gloves (I wore them anyhow). After the dive they said they noticed I did not bump into, touch or break anything. After that I could always wear them, no questions asked.

  • @williamgauthier9294
    @williamgauthier9294 8 лет назад

    oh yeah...how about a video on dive lights.

  • @robbyharrison9915
    @robbyharrison9915 6 лет назад

    hi alec its me again great video on them so what your saying is with the spring temp water being down here 68 to 72 degrees im very close to jenny springs area u are saying a 5 mil glove would be best for the temp and what about the booties thats the first thibg that gets cold i will stand in the water until my body heats up with the water befire i just go in or i just sit in the sun here in florida u have such a big help on tech tips for me

    • @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
      @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter  6 лет назад

      A thin pair of boots is always nice.
      Sitting in the Florida sun after a long dive in the springs is nicer!!
      Have fun.
      Alec

  • @lutfisken
    @lutfisken 7 лет назад

    I have the same type of dry suit glove, and actually it is a bit tricky to put on actually, just as in the video...

    • @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
      @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter  7 лет назад

      Takes practice.
      Your first attempt is always a bit comical.
      Sorta like putting on your mittens when you were a kid. Mom always had to help.
      Thanks for watching.
      Alec

  • @wksjunior95
    @wksjunior95 8 лет назад

    Gosh... I'm so addict to your videos. I'm learning so much that I just can't stop!!!
    But, when you showed a glove for a dry suit (Tech Tip: A Glove For Any Season Video), I got a doubt, what is the diference between a dry suit and a wet suit (besides the obvious)? Because I know a lot about a wet suit but almost nothing about dry suit.
    Please do a Tech Tip: Dry vs Wet Suit.
    I would be so happy to learn the advantages about each one!! Thanks from Brazil. Kranmer.

    • @Cyjodev
      @Cyjodev 7 лет назад +1

      If i could help a bit ... I would say from the small knowledge I have that a Dry suit that would let your body dry so really less in contact with water would be really better for really cold water and long time in ... as he was saying in a vid we watched, you can wear a 7 mm wet suit and go in icy water but for a really short time as for the dry you would be limited by your air time instead ... (wet is using your warmth in water enclosed in your suit as insulation as dry would use air in your suit to keep insulation) but true that a vid that would go more in examples about advantages VS inconvenients of dry vs wet would be always cool to have ;)
      Have a good day ... Joel.

    • @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
      @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter  7 лет назад +1

      Great information Joel!
      I'll work on a more comprehensive vid for wet vs dry. Many divers think a dry suit is the answer to all their problems but in many cases it actually introduces more problems.
      Thanks guys. Alec

    • @wksjunior95
      @wksjunior95 7 лет назад +1

      Joel Perron​​​ Thanks... But... Probably because I live in Brazil, I've never seen a dry suit!! (Our water is really warm)
      So in my imagination, the dry suit seems to be a little "clumsy", messing around with your buoyancy. I can not imagine this as a confortable thing.
      I always think that this suit is a very delicate thing that if I just accidentally touch on a coral, it will rip and I gonna lose my buoyancy!
      Maybe it's nothing like that. But as I said, this is my imagination.
      Kranmer.

    • @Cyjodev
      @Cyjodev 7 лет назад +1

      Waggoner Kranmer hehe ;) I can't blame you on that one reflex as I had the same .. the more I watch about dry suits the more my opinion of it change but that's why I can't wait for another great vid from Alec ... dive safe friend
      Joel.

    • @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
      @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter  7 лет назад +2

      For someone who dives in warm water you have a pretty good handle on the ups and downs of dry suits. They keep you warm for extended periods. That's their sole advantage which obviously, is only an advantage in cold water diving.
      Their disadvantages are numerous: they are expensive; they're tough and expensive to repair; they take training and practice to re-learn buoyancy control; they can be a nuisance to don and doff; some are quite heavy (some are not!); they require more maintenance (valves, hoses, seals, etc); etc.
      However, in the right circumstances and in the appropriate environment, a dry suit can make the difference between diving or not diving. Certainly it can make the difference between an enjoyable dive and 'dive to forget'. Kev and I will do a Dry Suit vid soon.
      Thanks for watching guys. Alec

  • @softgrapes
    @softgrapes 7 лет назад

    Alec, big fan here! Thank you for doing this and helping the community and new divers. I have a question, the first glove you showed is a 1.5mm glove, not 3mm like you mentioned. Just wondering if for tropical waters you recommend that or an actual 3mm. Thanks!

    • @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
      @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter  7 лет назад +2

      For true tropical waters (temperature over 75) you don't need thermal protection. I often have suggested divers get a good, snug-fitting garden glove. The 3mm Reef Glove is only neoprene on the back and that offers a bit of thermal protection and some abrasion protection too. But that is really not necessary. The palms of these gloves are usually suede or poly - just like garden gloves.
      Alec

    • @softgrapes
      @softgrapes 7 лет назад

      Got it, thank you!!

  • @Wolfhound_81
    @Wolfhound_81 7 лет назад +1

    Why have a latex seal with the dry glove system? You don't get air into the dry glove so you'll get a squeeze or you have to wear something under the seal to make sure some air can pass - hence why even have a seal?

    • @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
      @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter  7 лет назад +2

      If for some reason you ever have to remove your glove underwater, without a seal you will get very, very wet.
      Even on the surface in rough water, or boarding a boat, a seal might be welcome.
      Also if you tear the glove while diving on a wreck for instance, the seal will be a big help.
      It's not a perfect system but it works pretty good.
      Personally I don't bother with the tubes - more bother than they're worth. If the glove is fairly full at the surface it's good enough for 60'. On deeper dives it will certainly squeeze a bit but not really a big problem with the liners in place.
      Thanks for watching.
      Alec

  • @forgot_my_name_again
    @forgot_my_name_again 6 лет назад

    Alec great video. But got a question. How do you equalise dry gloves? The seal seems air thight.

    • @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
      @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter  6 лет назад

      Dry gloves can be a nuisance. Since they are a closed air space, they will compress on descent and squeeze your hand - plus it gets cold!
      Some suits come with dry gloves but no wrist seal. That is, the glove is actually part of the suit interior. These will equalize as you add or remove air from the suit. The downside is that you cannot remove the gloves underwater if you want to and, if you get a hole in the gloves, you're going to get wet.
      If you have the more common suit with a wrist seal AND dry gloves attached separately, you can try to get some air into them by manipulating the wrist seal of the suit.
      My wrists are quite lean so when I flex my fingers a valley opens up along my wrist and lets air past the wrist seal - sometimes.
      You can also use small tubes, like aquarium air tubes or even smaller, that fit against your wrist under the wrist seal. These connect the interior of the suit with the inside of the dry gloves. Now when you add or remove air to the suit, the gloves equalize.
      They work reasonably well but nothing is perfect. It takes some fiddling and practice.
      Good luck.
      Alec

    • @forgot_my_name_again
      @forgot_my_name_again 6 лет назад +1

      @@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter that seems like a big pain. Without wrist seals is risky. Dry gloves are just 1mm thin rubber or less and a easy failure point. I'm planning to buy a dry suite this winter but think I will stick to regular gloves for the time being. Thanks.

  • @bin3loush
    @bin3loush 8 лет назад +1

    Hey alec im new subscriber. I have a question, why do free divers hate us? Specially spearfishing with tank. Some say we cheat, but as far as my knowledge goes, we didn't arrang a competition to be accused for cheating.

    • @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
      @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter  8 лет назад +5

      +Ahmed Alnaqbi
      I've seen the same thing Ahmed. Not sure why they're so antagonistic. Free Divers usually consider themselves as 'purists' although I'm not sure what that means. They may be more athletic, maybe more skillful in skin diving skills, but they are not better divers. At one time spearfishing was a skin diving skill but everyone scuba dives now. There's no shame in it at all.
      When I worked in Key Largo, Florida in the early '70's, I skin dived and spearfished every day. But the reef was only 25' deep (that's about 8 meters for Novrizal) and there were lots of fish. That would be hard to do now.
      Deep down I suspect they're jealous because they have to keep going up for air!! Think about it that way and it won't bother you.
      Thanks for watching.
      Alec

    • @bin3loush
      @bin3loush 8 лет назад +3

      +Scuba 2000 Thanks Alec, you are my motivation. Stay healthy stay strong cant wait for more tips.

  • @jackgrant4795
    @jackgrant4795 4 года назад

    Mr. Alec what do you think of using Mechanix brand gloves for warm water gloves?

    • @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
      @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter  4 года назад +1

      I don't give specific recommendations Jack as I'm not a product pusher/seller site, just advise. There are lots of forums to talk pro/con of gloves or anything. Try www.scubaboard.com to get feedback from divers who may use this brand.

  • @jackgrant4795
    @jackgrant4795 4 года назад

    question about the sitech setup, how hard is it to attach the rings and stuff to the dry suit? can I do it or is it one of those things that a shop has to do it?

    • @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
      @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter  4 года назад

      If your hand with tools and comfortable accepting mistakes you may make, maybe try it yourself if the instructions are clear. If not, get a pro to do it (ask to watch?) and then try it in a pool before going on a cold deep dive to ensure they are perfect.

    • @jackgrant4795
      @jackgrant4795 4 года назад

      @@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter thank you, I mean I feel I COULD do it, but I know that stuff is specific, the you tube videos make it look easy, but my luck, I'd end up ripping the seal or something, and I start my Dry Suit course next month, so, I think I'll have a shop take care of it, I've sunk enough money into my local shop for them to know me by name....LOL SO I'm sure they could help me out, I'm also taking the dry suit course there, so......
      Thanks for the Advice Mr. Alec!!

  • @louisewholey6319
    @louisewholey6319 3 года назад

    What about heated gloves for very cold environments?

    • @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
      @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter  3 года назад +1

      Not a big seller yet as dry gloves with inner glove work very well. Adding heating elements is a risk to melt an opening.

  • @williamgauthier9294
    @williamgauthier9294 8 лет назад

    Just realized you already did a video on dive lights! Sorry.

  • @elylioney6390
    @elylioney6390 6 лет назад +1

    That's a seriously big hand

  • @GIJOE573
    @GIJOE573 3 года назад

    so you're saying I should break the rules? I like you

  • @francisbevacqua8014
    @francisbevacqua8014 3 года назад

    How do you release the squeeze from dry suit gloves?

    • @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
      @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter  2 года назад +1

      There are several methods which i'll list a few here. Search online for dedicated videos not this for more information. There is the rubber tube between the glove and suit, thick warm gloves that allows air in/out or sometimes a large cuff size. Check out online sites for specific options for your situation. Good luck Francis.

  • @cornflakes5102
    @cornflakes5102 8 лет назад

    Do you really need a snorkel

    • @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
      @AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter  8 лет назад +1

      +Daniel Mckell
      That's a question that many divers debate. Your training says yes.
      I do know that when you need one you really need it!
      Thanks for watching.
      Alec

  • @balighthabet
    @balighthabet 4 года назад

    . ....

  • @IJ_uk
    @IJ_uk 8 лет назад +1

    First :-)