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It is Time to Debunk Roman Provenance
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2024
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Dr. Slawomir Poloczek's rebuttal of Pseudo-Historians James Valliant and Warren Fahy: www.academia.e...
The fall of Roman Provenance is at hand.... at last, the pseudo conspiracy theory will be utterly debunked and exposed for the nonsense that it is. Join me in my efforts to bring down Roman Provenance.
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The inquisitors sounds well interesting. I can supply a base of information if you want to debunk the Muhammad didn't exist theory.
Join the HV Discord server and let me know once you're in there. discord.gg/g3aCZHdf
We can anyway be certain Gabriel dictating the Quran is made up, even without noticing parts of the Quran are attested from a century earlier.
A scholar willing to modify their position is called an "intellectual."
This is lowest level quality discussion ever on this channel, bordering on the parody of a scholarly panel. I am sorely disappointed mostly because with a few exceptions here and there this channel has embraced some of the highest standards of dialectical and intellectual argumentation. Maybe it's the heat.
Given the fact that Josephus did not write about Jesus at all, it intrigues me why he didn’t. In the 80’s and 90’s the christian sect must have been pretty organized and relevant, so much as not to be ignored. Please make a show about Josephus silence
Probably Christianity was dead in Judea by Josephus's time, except maybe in Caesarea.
Your discussion and arguments are fairly conclusive. In the main Rome wouldn't find Christianity too helpful. Just another sect to add to the problems they already had with Jews.
On the other hand removing table sharing prohibitions, the requirement of circumcision and strict Jewish Law may have commended itself to the Roman world. I am not arguing Roman Provenance but I think the mission to the Gentiles could have been attractive and at times repellent to the Roman world interested in religion and morals. (Revelation is a very anti-Roman book but I think it was not widely accepted in the early Church).
I have somewhat of a question of the material origin of Christianity. Who produced and physically distributed the early Christian texts and who arranged for the copying and distribution of Jewish scriptures. This must have required considerable material resources (wealth and labour). This is not to argue for Roman provenance but to ask about the material requirements for the success of this new religious movement.
Jacob, i have learned so much from you! Thank you for your time to do your shows and sharing your knowledge ❤
This was a fun, entertaining conversation, with plenty of irony and some humorous asides. I love it that you've described all this as an "inquisition!"
It's disturbing that lay people don't trust scholars like Charlesworth and Tabor who have studied this for over 100 years. Trust Tabor on Paul and Charlesworth on dating the books etc.
My PhD is in medieval history, which requires me to be fairly conversant with church history. I had never heard of Roman provenance until I heard it mentioned on this channel. It's certainly not a theory entertained by academics or grounded in evidence.
Yep, Roman Provenance like I said is gone from this channel and will be heavily criticized going forward. I'd like to cover medieval history on this channel, I'd be interested if you have anything published, maybe have you on the channel? If you're interested in that, email me. jacobberman553@gmail.com
Medieval history! Heck yeah!
U don’t think any of the discussions about it here have cited evidence? Gotta disagree there…
Mainstream Christian scholarship is hardly receptive to these types of thesis, and could even be career suicide. The fact that mythicism is considered SUPER fringe, tells u everything.
Hardly a strong argument against the theory.
The charge that Atwill is a Holocaust Denier. Big charge there, do you have evidence for that? I think you should show your findings there. Please do.
I know he said something that could be interpreted as that. Here on the channel they talked about it but idk if it is still up. The thing is, how can Atwill be a Holocaust denier when a lot of the outlets he appears on are pro Jewish and advocating to erradicate Anti-Semitism. I don't get it.
Roman Provenance is dead. RIP, you will be slightly missed. 🙏
I won't miss those guys too much, although they were entertaining at times.
@@robinstevenson6690…why, what happened to them❔
@@Arbognire Terminated by Jacob.
Other academics who are more mainstream are asking more relevant questions and areas of future research in the context of the reality of the Roman Empire and the hellenic world.
@@Arbognireid love to know too!
It's always been a silly theory. There are 8,000 verses in the NT so you can find something for any theory.
Except there are dozens of additions modifications made not found in the original koine Greek new testament.
Not in original Hebrew scripture.
So basically Jesus was Bernie. Got it.
Looking back at the data I would have to confirm that nobody equated Vessapian/Titus were not called Messiahs.
This is the most animated I've ever seen Jacob
If you entertained the notion for as long as you did, then "nonsense" might be a shade overstated. People read texts differently. Have some measure in your critique.
Lol no, it in fact emboldens me to debunk it and warn people away from it. Because I was fooled and misled and I will do everything in my power to prevent it from fooling anyone else.
@@History-Valley Such a zealous mission seems inconsistent with what has heretofore been your channel's mission.
It's far better to just have Valliant on and raise your concerns like a proper human being and poised intellect.
@@History-ValleyI haven’t checked in for a bit, did u fall out with James V?? Those were my favorite shows 😕
I’ll listen to the show before asking more questions lol very curious why u feel duped.
I agree with the OPer. You appear to go out of your way to immediately discard those you previously associated with, quite heavily, while never having them on after doing so , to provide their side of any given argument that you suddenly aren't cool with anymore. It's fine to change your mind, but many of these people have done your channel a great service over the years. And all of that makes me agree that you're rather zealous with all this. It's a shame. Life Is in the middle, not the margins.@@History-Valley
Great stuff
I like that you evolve your views
Jacob are you and James still working together or are you on separate paths now???
@@WareWolf831 no he’s banned and is an enemy of me and this channel.
@@History-Valley that sucks I thought you guts were really friends. I still support the channel and your work though I love what your doing
The first 30 min doesn't help. I think Roman Provenance is laughable, but so far most of these arguments are terrible