Our Present Choice: Catharsis or Civilization

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  • Опубликовано: 15 янв 2025

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  • @thegroovypatriot
    @thegroovypatriot 2 дня назад +40

    I don't want revenge, I want accountability. Without that, it's just like living with an alcoholic where we pretend everything's fine.

    • @emanon2794
      @emanon2794 День назад

      As an alcoholic, I agree. That is why I drink alone and still nothing is fine. The end of my self-affliction is coming.

  • @meerkatvvv
    @meerkatvvv 2 дня назад +38

    The thing is, they will not stop. The ones who broke the law and those who completely disregarded the law must be held accountable. Otherwise, they'll just keep doing the same thing. It's not about revenge

    • @nnotny
      @nnotny 2 дня назад

      Absolutely. They believe in permanent revolution, because they're on the "right side of history". Whenever you hear that phrase you know you're dealing with followers of Karl, Vladimir and Mao.

  • @roharatube
    @roharatube 2 дня назад +57

    Accountability and catharsis are not the same thing. We simply cannot go on without accountability. There are real monsters that need to be brought to heel.

    • @inveritategloria
      @inveritategloria 2 дня назад +3

      Absolutely agree.

    • @thegroovypatriot
      @thegroovypatriot 2 дня назад +8

      Exactly. Not revenge, accountability. It's the only way to heal and move forward, making things better.

    • @justinschmidt9575
      @justinschmidt9575 2 дня назад +2

      hear hear

    • @J.Panxer
      @J.Panxer 2 дня назад

      Please define "accountability". How do you see that playing out?

    • @depot-lb8hl
      @depot-lb8hl 2 дня назад

      Have you considered the case of Xi Jingping? He might just be the most atrocious person in recent times. I think the point of this video is not that he shouldn't be held accountable, but that the way to do it might take serious work. He has needed to be dealt with for a long time and probably won't kick a bucket tomorrow.
      Anyway, we 'simply can go on without accountability'. We've been doing it. Are you really methodically thinking about what to do next? What's the order for those specific goals?
      'Catharsis' seems to me more like the DNC slogan for the last election, like, "we're going to have a joyful time struggling forever to make everyone agree with us." It doesn't matter if most of the world disagrees, as long as we're still alive and reasonable. Any bribed bureaucrats that are killed are too easy to replace, so that's not cost-effective if nothing else. And that might just include people like Hunter Biden.
      I'd rather do the reasonable things to improve everything. It's still possible to be influential. Many people have come back over, forsaking wokeness or whatever, because of this way of thinking.

  • @gaozhi2007
    @gaozhi2007 2 дня назад +21

    “Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and their freedoms." (Robert Heinlein, Starship Troopers)

  • @tim2muntu954
    @tim2muntu954 2 дня назад +10

    Justitia is an old soul, goes back to Augustus Caesar. She wears a blindfold because she regards the person of no man; scales to weigh the transgression against her, and the sword in the other hand to execute justice (her sole prerogative). Someone murders someone - what is the weight to counterbalance the weight of a life? 14 years of the murderer's freedom? We no longer have the stomach for justice; we are sub-just / unjust. We cloak this from ourselves by pretending justice equals revenge, and that we are above revenge, when, in fact, we are beneath justice.

  • @tomforsythe7024
    @tomforsythe7024 3 дня назад +22

    Catharsis is important to the national psyche, but it can be celebratory instead of violent.

    • @thereignofthezero225
      @thereignofthezero225 2 дня назад +3

      Catheters are nothing to celebrate.

    • @nnotny
      @nnotny 2 дня назад +1

      That's what Greek and Shakespearan tragedy is all about.

    • @tomforsythe7024
      @tomforsythe7024 2 дня назад

      @@thereignofthezero225 They still help to bring release.

    • @tomforsythe7024
      @tomforsythe7024 2 дня назад

      @@thereignofthezero225 They allow you to let it all out.

  • @meinking22
    @meinking22 2 дня назад +4

    "Revenge is a dish best served cold." - Accountability

  • @COSTASARRIS
    @COSTASARRIS 3 дня назад +25

    Dude, We need justices equal to any citizen Crimes occurred punishments should applied

  • @thegroovypatriot
    @thegroovypatriot 2 дня назад +8

    People did not follow the law, and there were no consequences. There needs to be consequences so in the future, people will follow the law.

  • @DoctorHemi
    @DoctorHemi 2 дня назад +8

    Accountability has to be assured, though. For example, the J6 committee all have to be punished with fines, disbarment (for any lawyers), and jail time for some of the spearheading members.

  • @OpaHutz
    @OpaHutz 2 дня назад +10

    Does South Africa after apartheid give us a model for civilization?

  • @thegroovypatriot
    @thegroovypatriot 2 дня назад +9

    We're not going to pretend we didnt just get punched in the face. And some women literally did.

  • @jeremyponcy7311
    @jeremyponcy7311 2 дня назад +7

    Justice needs to be served. This means a very narrow line needs to be walked between severe punishments through a judicial process for those that knowingly incited revolution, particularly from high positions of public trust and forgiveness granted for the class of indoctrinated and useful idiots. More importantly, books and books and books need to be published to make sure this period in American and world history is documented accurately in detail and required in American schools or it will return even more fiercely than before.

  • @rosafalls8068
    @rosafalls8068 9 часов назад +1

    I learned ages ago in English Lit class that catharsis means a cleansing, such as through being washed or extreme mourning and sobbing. But, Lindsay seems to think it's dangerous and about fire and revenge. That's not catharsis. Justice would also bring about catharsis and cleansing tears for people....the average person isn't getting revenge to receive notice and care through juatice....they don't feel like they won....they tend to fall on their knees and sob, release and cleanse. This isn't a weak little girl, this is human and mature.

  • @ClassicCase
    @ClassicCase 2 дня назад +7

    There must be "Capital J" Justice.

  • @user-dg7sy8cz3b
    @user-dg7sy8cz3b 2 дня назад +9

    Accountability
    Because without it, the downward spiral continues.
    There’s a reason public capital punishment used to exist.
    The cause and effect of tyranny to those that would impose it on others.

    • @electricelephant7471
      @electricelephant7471 2 дня назад

      You mean like invading and absorbing foreign nations by force?

  • @inveritategloria
    @inveritategloria 2 дня назад +10

    I could be your grandmother. What you've presented here is a false dilemma. I've been following you. I really was impressed by your intellect. However, you did not identify the enemy, not once. The damage done to society would take several human lives to reverse. The sins are immeasurable. What do you mean by catharsis? We were subject to the greatest scam in history; the biggest assault on our freedom; we may never recover mentally. Would you not identify the perpetrators of this enormous crime? Would you not celebrate if the perpetrators were found guilty and executed? The millions who were murdered? Maimed? Let's be adults? Cowardice is somehow equal to being an adult? Or... you act on behalf the Ourobouros?! Masonic wizardry.

    • @thegroovypatriot
      @thegroovypatriot 2 дня назад +1

      Agree. Pretending we won now and everything is fine, meanwhile they're still calling for the same nonsense and blocking efforts to move forward. James has spoke WAY too soon. There will be no healing without accountability.

    • @colethewolfboy
      @colethewolfboy 2 дня назад +1

      I’m gonna cop that Oroboros line for later 💯

  • @the_Kurgan
    @the_Kurgan 2 дня назад +7

    Capital punishment. How else are they gonna learn?

  • @kaoskronostyche9939
    @kaoskronostyche9939 3 дня назад +18

    One invisible comment. Thank you for your efforts.

  • @chadiverson3796
    @chadiverson3796 2 дня назад +10

    You are calling for forgiving traitors, James, trying to save your fellow academics?

  • @rochellecaffee1417
    @rochellecaffee1417 2 дня назад +4

    We are also subject to: Hungry, Angry, Lonely, or Tired…”Forgiveness” is meant to support your view, at present, as well as Respectfulness, and the Bible says also to “submit one to another”….i see a great need to give myself adequate time AWAY from “strife”..Proverbs 20:3. You make an excellent point, and i see it too.

    • @luizmonad777
      @luizmonad777 2 дня назад

      "submit one to another" I don't think that means submit to your enemy, the infidels that don't believe anymore in the exercise of civilization, they're too comfy in their hedonism.

    • @jackalcoyote8777
      @jackalcoyote8777 2 дня назад +1

      "Now that my political party won, your anger isn't useful anymore. So get over it and go back to working your life away for the government that treated you worse than dogshit"

  • @BurghezulDjentilom
    @BurghezulDjentilom 2 дня назад +3

    careful james, this talk of "civilization" sounds pretty woke right. wouldn't wanna get labeled now

  • @lloydgush
    @lloydgush 2 дня назад +12

    Catharsis is useless, but justice is necessary.

    • @socklips7655
      @socklips7655 2 дня назад +2

      If you never celebrate or even recognize victory in any capacity, what are you even working towards?

    • @lloydgush
      @lloydgush 2 дня назад +1

      @socklips7655 peace and prosperity.

    • @electricelephant7471
      @electricelephant7471 2 дня назад

      You'd better be awful careful not to confuse them, though.

    • @lloydgush
      @lloydgush 2 дня назад

      @electricelephant7471 of course.

    • @lloydgush
      @lloydgush 2 дня назад +3

      @theconceptofbass you have a twisted sense of justice.
      And that's why you lost.

  • @fakesox3550
    @fakesox3550 3 дня назад +10

    Little girl emotions? Sir, how dare you?!

  • @jprupp
    @jprupp 2 дня назад +1

    Catharsis is a psychological concept that makes hydraulic metaphors for emotions. It does not seem that this model describes reality. Human emotions do not get contained, repressed or released in a way that conserves their overall volume or quality. They can be cooled down or fired up at will. We don't need catharsis.

  • @andysorensen3474
    @andysorensen3474 2 дня назад +5

    Canadian here. Thank you and YES. This will be a big challenge. Its time to focus on the positive, build something new and let go the impulse to retribution. My focus is to build tech enabled tools to bring people together in-real-life agian, to help provide an alternative to social media and apps particularly for singles. I will focus on this and try to ignore the long list of those I have utter and complete contempt for. I believe we can push for change without letting our hatreds block our ability to think.

    • @socklips7655
      @socklips7655 2 дня назад

      So you're making a dating app to fight back against the information oppression we've been dealing with for years? We're saved!

    • @andysorensen3474
      @andysorensen3474 2 дня назад +1

      @@socklips7655 No, but thanks for the negativity. I guess you just need to hate on people... so your problem, not mine.

    • @thegroovypatriot
      @thegroovypatriot 2 дня назад

      This is not about retribution from an emotional place. This is about restoring the law and common sense in society. For that, and for real healing, there must be accountability.
      I appreciate you trying to create something new and good. But we're not going to pretend that we didn't just get punched in the face. Which some women literally did.

  • @petrawagner4946
    @petrawagner4946 3 дня назад +2

    Best said. Now, down and majority of people believe it? Which majority? And what can we ACTUALLY even still effect with the legal system corrupt, the regime at all levels corrupt. But, very well stated. It is at yhis point in humanity which we find ourselves with a crucial choice.

  • @OrwellsHousecat
    @OrwellsHousecat 2 дня назад +2

    In a real war our priest, JamesLindsay, tells one side to turn the other cheek

  • @TheDashingRogue
    @TheDashingRogue 2 дня назад +1

    @6:30 you are talking about the tripartite soul & the tarot chariot arcana jimmy

  • @jackalcoyote8777
    @jackalcoyote8777 2 дня назад

    Catharsis, accountability, revenge... call it whatever. There's a reason blood feuds exist

  • @jeffreyscott4997
    @jeffreyscott4997 2 дня назад

    Emotion wants what it wants now. Reason looks towards tomorrow.
    Do you want to win the day, or do you want to win the century?

  • @daniellebcooper7160
    @daniellebcooper7160 2 дня назад

    thank you for putting these videos together, they make a lot of sense.
    best regards from Melbourne Australia.

  • @parrotshootist3004
    @parrotshootist3004 День назад

    Things can only be pushed so far, before ..

  • @michaeljaffrey7958
    @michaeljaffrey7958 2 дня назад

    Revenge breeds totalitarianism.

  • @WarmProp
    @WarmProp День назад +1

    Oh look, an affordance trap

  • @mysticmardi
    @mysticmardi 2 дня назад

    I know you mean well but you mean the choice between catharsis or CULTURE. Civilization is the noose.

  • @NoahGooder
    @NoahGooder 2 дня назад +5

    while we can have a "we told you so" moment we cant turn it into violence.

    • @marshall_zhukov
      @marshall_zhukov 2 дня назад

      Justice sometimes takes the form of a violent act.

    • @socklips7655
      @socklips7655 2 дня назад

      Let the cycle repeat then.

  • @Ryan-ts3py
    @Ryan-ts3py 2 дня назад

    There must be accountability or the next time the people who did all the things you discussed are back in power, they will repeat all the crimes of their predecessors, but twice as hard because they now *know* that they will experience no consequences for doing so.

  • @Trinitypater
    @Trinitypater 2 дня назад

    Perfect!!!!

  • @Cani-Gulah
    @Cani-Gulah 2 дня назад +1

    There needs to be some undoing. Some of that might not be accomplished civilly 😊

    • @socklips7655
      @socklips7655 2 дня назад +1

      Exactly this, 1000%. Some of the lessons that need taught, need never be forgotten. Thats not always done with a smile and a handshake.

    • @electricelephant7471
      @electricelephant7471 2 дня назад

      You sound like a critical theorist

    • @Cani-Gulah
      @Cani-Gulah 2 дня назад

      @electricelephant7471 you mean woke rightist

  • @echopeakbicycling85
    @echopeakbicycling85 2 дня назад +1

    I agree in not going to the extreme. We need to keep in mind those caught between the two and to not let them be swayed by the leftist instigator's cries of victmhood.
    In times of anger, the wrathful words of the Old Testament
    Jehova has more appeal.

  • @blackquiver
    @blackquiver 3 дня назад +2

    3:03 👍 yep .. typical socialism

  • @CopperBased
    @CopperBased День назад +2

    Brian Baker spent six years in prison on a false grape charge.
    When he proved himself innocent, his accuser was told she was a very naughty girl.
    It's so nice to do that on a national scale.

  • @mysticmardi
    @mysticmardi 2 дня назад

    People want culture and willingly take part and will but FIRST THINGS FIRST; they have to take the screws off the noose of humanity.

  • @koanbonwa
    @koanbonwa 2 дня назад

    But... what if you're a Cimmerian?

  • @emergencyrussell
    @emergencyrussell 2 дня назад

    "Patience my Dear! Learn to conquer your Appetites and Passions! Know thyself, came down from Heaven, and the Government of ones own soul requires greater Parts and Virtues than the Management of Kingdoms, and the Conquest of the disorderly rebellious Principles in our Nature, is more glorious than the acquisition of Universal Dominion. Did you ever read Epictetus? He was a sensible Man. I advise you to read him: and indeed I should have given this advice, before you undertook to read this." -John Adams to his wife, April 20th. 1763

  • @Protocurity
    @Protocurity День назад

    tl;dr James says there shouldn't be any truth and reconciliation though the most mealy-mouthed way possible. He just wants you to take his word in this.

  • @Crucian1
    @Crucian1 2 дня назад

    The only issue is that according to Christianity (and evidenced by history), man is simply *incapable* of restraining the passions without God.

  • @Johnnysmithy24
    @Johnnysmithy24 2 дня назад

    This is what I’ve been saying for a while, James read my mind. I’ll sue

  • @bodhierotica
    @bodhierotica 2 дня назад +1

    Not one tangible example in this whole video to elucidate the difference between justice and catharsis? Get back to the ideas and theory and stop this moralizing and scolding nonsense. You do know who you are starting to sound like?

  • @tamara6771
    @tamara6771 2 дня назад

    ⚔️⚔️⚔️⚔️⚔️⚔️⚔️

  • @AndrwsAnimatics
    @AndrwsAnimatics 2 дня назад

    Ok James, we get it, you dont want to be purged in the Far Right Future you are so afraid of being helping define right now, and you dont want to be seen as a gatekeeper progressive that still defends liberalism...
    "ok guys, guys, hold down your Ak47, nobody purges James he is an ally of the Trump Regime, remember he helped us define this movement so we dont destroy ourselfs " XD

  • @billbadson7598
    @billbadson7598 19 часов назад +1

    tl;dr
    "The most important thing is to not harness this momentum to enact any change that would make us something other than 1990's liberal democrats."
    "Also all the people who did all those evil things and still want to do all those evil things should retain their wealth, influence and positions of power."

  • @TheHivefl
    @TheHivefl День назад

    Thank you for this video. Usually the term “important conversations” is coded language for woke garbage but this is an ACTUAL important conversation

  • @Simon_Alexnder
    @Simon_Alexnder 2 дня назад

    This is so important, too bad Twitter will turn this debate to nonsense.

  • @HandgunSafe
    @HandgunSafe 2 дня назад +3

    I suspect that a large number of Woke activists will regret the damage they've done to themselves in the name of a revolution that cannot succeed. I'm thinking of everything from transitioning and self-sterilization to loss of reputation and loss of financial stability. I see these people as the disposable vanguard of Woke activism. They will need compassion. To my thinking, if we focus on preserving civilization we allow for compassion.

    • @leonardticsay8046
      @leonardticsay8046 2 дня назад +5

      What happens if they refuse compassion? It’s a pertinent possibility given that they have wrapped up their identities with contempt for Western Civ and its proponents.

    • @Xplora213
      @Xplora213 2 дня назад

      Compassion requires humility from the recipient. If the wokel is too proud to accept your sympathy (and they are not when they think they are winning) then there is nothing to be resolved with compassion. Sometimes cancer needs to be cut or the host dies. Note that almost all woke people put children second after themselves. Pro choice, trans, etc. none of these things actually produce a child who capable of getting a job and having grandchildren. Woke is trash that will take itself out in a generation or so.

    • @HandgunSafe
      @HandgunSafe 2 дня назад

      @@leonardticsay8046 They're going to need help, and it's in their thinking that "somebody else" owes them. A large number of the most active Woke activists are going to need medical help and financial help as time goes on. We should all be ready a healthcare epidemic in the making.

    • @thegroovypatriot
      @thegroovypatriot 2 дня назад +2

      Excuse me but they're still calling for the same nonsense, still blocking moving forward. Compassion? We aren't there yet. Nothing's been won yet.

    • @alexdetrojan4534
      @alexdetrojan4534 2 дня назад +1

      Compassion? 😂😂😂

  • @danascully1248
    @danascully1248 2 дня назад

    Hey, any christians listening? I keep thinking "the Bible says the Gospel is foolish to wise ppl, requires the faith of a child, and not sight" and ppl tell me to approach my faith through practices, experiences, and emotions more than logic. Are there any Christian scholars that do an honest attempt at understanding Christianity in a more enlightenment rational + empirical reasonable way? I feel even Christian academics i meet are oddly concerned with woke ethics and sentimentality instead of cold logical truth. Is Christianity fundamentally at odds with the Enlightenment like I've been told time and again? I do like arguments for theism and I'd bet on the Bible over other major religious texts, but I'm honestly concerned to allow myself to just get swept up in this "Christianity is MY truth, man!" postmodern muck.

  • @VictorSneller
    @VictorSneller День назад +1

    Sure, follow the law, but the law must be enforced. I used to be on the Left and can assure you accountability and responsibility are their kryptonite.

  • @blackquiver
    @blackquiver 3 дня назад +1

    10:42 very cool 🆒😎

  • @blackquiver
    @blackquiver 3 дня назад

    4:20 👍 yep. Hate building

  • @user-oi9iz9jr8y
    @user-oi9iz9jr8y 2 дня назад

    We need to think civilization❤❤❤

    • @socklips7655
      @socklips7655 2 дня назад

      With people that want you lined up against a wall, then buried in a ditch. Good luck with your "civilization"

  • @blackquiver
    @blackquiver 3 дня назад

    14:04 thats it. That was quick

  • @danedube2115
    @danedube2115 День назад

    I will stay in the Logos of the Lord! God help me from acting out.

  • @rext3404
    @rext3404 2 дня назад

    Polybius seems to be mostly correct. We are doomed to an endless cycle. Anarahcy to monarchy to tryanny to aristocracy to oligarchy to democracy to domagogy back to anarchy. Sometimes a step is skipped but it seems to be a cycle most cultures around the world go/have gone through. Humans are fallible and too emotional. Democracy is doomed to fail because the idea of democracy is predicated on a fully informed and rational public. We simply do not have that, nor will we ever.
    My solution? A triad of benevolent, transcendent AI. Get to work programmers.

  • @saifeljilani1258
    @saifeljilani1258 2 дня назад

    We just need to pass laws that will stop them from doing what they did in the first place.

    • @thegroovypatriot
      @thegroovypatriot 2 дня назад +3

      No, we had laws and people didn't follow them, and there were no consequences. We need accountability so people will follow the law in the future.

  • @richardmetzler7909
    @richardmetzler7909 2 дня назад +2

    James, I really appreciate the work you did digging into the roots of wokeness, but you've really lost the plot with Trump. Sure, he's anti-woke. He's also anti-democracy, anti-rule of law, anti-peaceful international cooperation, and anti-honesty and integrity. Yes, the next years will be crucial for thr fate of America and the world, but not in the way you imagine.

    • @thegroovypatriot
      @thegroovypatriot 2 дня назад +2

      Nonsense. This isn't about Trump either. It's about accountability, which some people just never understand.

    • @colethewolfboy
      @colethewolfboy 2 дня назад

      >metzler

    • @thegroovypatriot
      @thegroovypatriot 2 дня назад +1

      ​@@theconceptofbassYou actually expect me to waste my time listing all of that here for the next hour?

    • @BurghezulDjentilom
      @BurghezulDjentilom 2 дня назад

      clown