I Think I'm SCREWED! RV Title Issues and Stuck
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Have the dealer overnight a dealer plate , drive home , and title it in AZ.
I was thinking the same thing, there has to be a way round it.
Wouldn't it have to be the dealers dealer plate though? Beause she said the second dealer didn't own it? How confusing.
You can’t do that. The vehicle was sold you can’t put a dealer plate on this far after it was sold. You’d have to “sell it again” by law. Unfortunately he trusted Texas which no one should do. Texas is a commie state.
Thats the smart thing to do .
What a mess!
please work on not constantly complaining every 5 minutes. You are beyond blessed, but you wouldn't know it based on how much you complain, grunt and act like a child lol chilllllllll
Why are you still registering your vehicles in TX? You have property in AZ... There is literally no reason for you to be using Texas as your domicile.
Just because the bill passed, doesn’t mean it’s gone into effect yet. And I think it did say the other county has to be willing to do it.
Eric - when I lived in Texas several years ago & you were broke down on side of road 8 miles from my house , when I offered to help you , you threatened me. Now I live in Arizona off grid not far from your land and went thru same thing about proving address. I could help you , but I remember what happened the last time I tried.
He’s burned some bridges.
But Eric, you aren’t really a Texas resident, you are just using us for your own convenience. I guess you will have to visit your “residence”in Livingston to be legal. If you are a Texas resident then you won’t mind sticking around for a couple months to work it out.
Tater is dodging state income tax with his Livingston “residence”. It’s caught up with him so it’s costing him in different ways.
Eric, another option I just thought of. Since you're there because you're an Escapee, they have an in house person who coordinates remote registrations with Polk country for members all over the country. Go in and talk to them and see if they have any suggestions to fix the issue; they may have run into something similar in the past.
Eric just drive home any Trooper with any sense would say just get home, and they would understand your situation , just drive home 💯👍
I totally agree! Drive home Eric.
Yeah, just drive it home
Wouldn't want to be stopped in NM
@@billflowers6739 No shit, right? NM is a nightmare with all their regs.
@@billflowers6739 Good point, but they would ticket him at best, but no need to go through NM, just Texas 😉
Why are you registering that vehicle in Texas? Don’t you reside in Arizona? I am so sorry you are you going through this. Can you come to Florida? Or just go back to Arizona? You have bills from the LP Company, and your land documents to prove residency!
He's still domiciled in Texas.
You didn't read the whole article. It says the tax assessor has to be willing to accept the transaction. Reading is fundamental.
You own land in Arizonia, why is the RV registered in Texas?? (car, bike & trailer) Why isn't Arizonia your resistance state??
I think he's wanted
Try going to a different Polk County DMV, or to the same DMV and getting a different employee. With an issue like this sometimes that's all it takes to make a huge difference in the outcome.
Same thing I was going to suggest. I hope he reads this comment.
He isn’t at the dmv. He’s at the tax office.
There are sometimes more than one tax office in a county in Texas but either way a different person might solve the problem also.
It's the same thing, the place where they charge us for our "privilege" to drive. It's just called different things in different states. Here in Michigan they call it the Secretary of State Office, in Florida it's the Tax Collector and in Virginia it's the DMV. I've registered vehicles in all of them and the same advice applies. @@jackieagd7722
@@jackieagd7722 We have "tax collectors" instead of DMV's in Florida too, but there are offices all over the place.
why dont you just register in in Arizona where you live
Good question!
You didn't read the entire note you showed. It clearly states: "But there's a catch: The county tax-assessor-collector has to be willing to accept the transaction." This is obviously an OPTION for the county. A county, other than your home county, can do it if it wants to but is not required to do so. It's their choice, not yours.
Sometimes just waiting until there's a different person working and then going in makes all the difference.
exactly, they might not even notice the discrepancy.
I would file a complaint on every person who doesn't do it also
Or ask for the supervisor there
ok, lets take all the emotion out of it, the problem is texas doesnt believe the oregon dealer you bought this from legit owned it, this is on the rv dealer in oregon, they fucked up the paperwork.
Exactly. That’s why a bill of sale isn’t worth a dime in Texas.
Dump Escapees. Register your rig in AZ, your home! Use USPS general delivery when you're on the road. Crazy to hang onto Livingston!
This is why I don't change things up every week(on the road 6 yrs. same RV), if its not broken don't fix it. Most chose this lifestyle to reduce stress and enjoy life. Simplicity is a sign of genius.
Boring
As long as you have a bill of sale with you, I wouldn't worry about driving it without a temp permit, most officers will let that slide if you explain you bought it out of state and are trying to get it registered. I would go back to Polk County once more before giving up and try to get a different clerk to help without telling them what happened today. Worst case, your selling dealer may have to get a new title issued in Oregon.
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Why would they run a background check?
What would they find?
I wouldn't hold my breath about a PO letting it slide,but I would take my chances anyway
I agree, I just had a problem with the DMV, getting a different clerk worked.
My bf worked for the county tax assessor (where Texans register their vehicles), he advised me not to purchase a vehicle nor a camper without a title, bc Bill of Sale means absolutely nothing in the state of Texas.
I cannot wait to leave Texas this year im getting out while i can. Dealing with county and state collections has been a nightmare. They make you do all these hoops and loops only to be treated like crap while your just tryna be a law-abiding citizen. Its sickening
guess it depends what county? Because I moved to TX in 2021 from Oregon and Coryell county has been wonderful to work with.
@@racecontrol1780 I agree ive found that Northern Texas is a lot better than where I'm currently living at which is San Antonio, Bexar county. 0/10 don't recommend lol
You should have everything you need to register your RV as an AZ resident, with garbage service, and water and propane deliveries. I drove from North Carolina to Minnesota in jeep with 5 yr expired tags. I drove that way for 2 months after. Nobody even noticed. Just make sure you have all your sale paperwork and you'll be fine 🍀
I’ve never had any issues either with tags I never realized were even expired.
Just enjoy the moment best you can Eric, I know what it’s like having title issues for sure. I’m currently laid up from a knee surgery almost halfway through 6 weeks. It sucks so bad not being able to get around. Crutches are very painful on my bad left shoulder plus since the surgery I’ve fell and believe I’ve broke my right wrist as well. lol I’m stuck in bed!!!! It blows.
The problem is that titles N two different names and only one sign on it
How are you even registering in a state you don't live. Why on earth wouldn't you have just taken care of it in AZ?
We just bought property north of you in St. Johns, we were coming from Oregon and Missouri all we did was took our land document into the DMV to prove residency. They didn't even ask for proof of insurance. Was the easiest DMV ever
Eric. I live in Austin and here is what I would do. There is a Regional TX DMV office in Beaumont which is the closest one to you. You go online and make an appointment to lessen your wait time. They are the state decision makers so they will know exactly what you need.
The picture you posted says the counties have to option not to do it.
Even in the screen shot that you posted it continued to say " the tax assessor has to be willing to accept the transaction" so its ONLY IF they want to allow it. Which im assuming means more papwerwork on their end or something they have to do. But its up to each county tax assessor if they CHOOSE to do it. Its one of those they dont HAVE to but they CAN if they CHOOSE to. Most of your larger areas will probably fall in line an do it eventually.
Didn't it say in the article you showed......"here's the Catch"........the assessors can choose NOT to do it. I would just chance it and drive back to AZ
See if the dealer that sold you the vehicle will overnight you a trip permit.
For Arizona try using your trash bill or water delivery bill to establish residency , if you need to move the rv USA aaa towing to have them move it to your Arizona home and register the whole thing there
You didn't prepare well for this madness.
I'm also an Escapee and last year I registered my truck in Brown County ( middle of Texas) instead of Polk county last year. The guy in El Paso is just being a jerk. Hey, Eric, come to central Teas and leave your RV where I am. The Tax office here may help you. It will be worth a try. I doubt you will get stopped on the way, especially if you stay off the Interstate. If your issue can't be resolved here you can leave your RV and kitties here. I'll care for them for you. I'm 80 miles from Abilene and 12- from Ft. Worth. Both have airports. I know it is concerning since you don't know me but my son is a police officer and the RV park owner is also an officer.
What a kind person you are to help.
Even in the screenshot you shared, it reads “but there’s a catch: the county tax assessor-collector has to be willing to accept the transaction” Translation - “no, they don’t have to”. Read the article Eric, do you not comprehend? The state bill means a county “can” renew out of county, if they choose to. The bill doesn’t say they have to. You may have found a different county that would have renewed for you.
Don’t stress too much. I’ve missed my car inspection and drove an additional 4-5
More months until I eventually discovered. Since you have the paperwork they can see you just recently purchased the vehicle. Good luck.
That happens alot.
My elderly neighbor has a vehicle that drives just fine, but it throws an emissions code (that no mechanic has been able to pinpoint), & the state of Texas won’t issue even temporary plates or registration. So now she’s racked up over $2,000 in fines, in 2 months, attempting to drive here severely disabled adult child to the doctor.
I wonder why he registers in Texas?? If he lives in Arizona??
Didn't he have a puppy?
The thing about the registration is most tax assessors as of now aren’t willing to accept it. Which is completely still compliant with the law. State leaves it up to the tax assessor.
From the screenshot of the article your posted at timestamp 1:58, second paragraph, second sentence.
“But there’s a catch: The county tax assessor-collector has to be willing to accept the transaction.”
IMO, as I recall (you were one of the first RV RUclipsrs I followed back in the day) you’re already saving $$$ and a ton of hassle by registering in Texas anyway. You’ve been through worst shit so Im sure you’ll be able to take care of things but you can’t get pissed when the article that YOU shared states that the “the county tax assessor-collector has to be willing to accept the transaction.”
I agree that law is toilet paper if there is no enforcement. If the collector has to be “willing” it’s meaningless.
I know you are trying to save grief doing things in Texas but at this point you own land in Arizona you would be better off doing this somewhere where you actually own land and are a resident . As someone who had to deal with multiple states, while not being a resident as a member of the US military, I can assure you some states are worse than others and Texas, Arkansas Alabama are some of the worst. Hang in there Eric , hope you get this resolved in a less painful manner
Why does he allow and pet the cats at the food prep and kitchen countertop area ? Dirty feet and hair must be falling out everywhere !
Think of it as part of the adventure. Almost time to switch domicile to Arizona.
I agree. It seems like this is such a hassle every year.
PAST time. He owns land here!!!
I am trying to figure out why he would choose to register in Tx, when he has a property/homestead in Az. ???
Why not just try the next county? The bill went into effect September 1st of last year. There has to be a closer spot that will do it.
0:08 everything is out of your control.
8:34 everybody’s got a life and problems and stuff they gotta take care of.
Yep, it’s all true.
That’s called life.
Here is a couple of suggestion. 1. Register the RV in Arizona at your ShowLow address. You can visit any DMV in Arizona for this (you don't have to go to Showlow). You could have transferred the Oregon title into an Arizona title right there in Quartsite using your ShowLow address for the registration address. Then went to Texas with a clean Arizona title to do a 2nd transfer there. However, I really don't understand why you don't just keep the registration it in Arizona. There is no inspection in Arizona. With your Showlow address there is no emissions test either. You could simply transfer the title in person and then register the RV online. You'll never have to visit a DMV in Arizona again as you can register online each year or even pick the multi-year option and register your RV for up to 5 years! Forget Texas, that is not a free state. Arizona is a much better state! Plus we have the life time drivers license option here. You won't have to renew your drivers license until you are over 60 years old!
Already spoke with Arizona licensing and faxed over copies of all my paperwork. They won't register it or accept the title either.
Eric, I am so sorry this is happening to you. My one suggestion is to hire an attorney.
@@belindasalinasWhat good would that do?
@@nomadicfanatic I wonder if Arizona suggests the same remedy as Texas? Or is it possibly an easier remedy? I feel for ya, nothin like getting the run around by the state.
@@sunshine3914 Make the dealership who sold him the RV accountable as they did not have a clear title to do so.
Damn, What a nightmare Eric.
As they say don't mess with Texas. Maybe you should try to see if Arizona can do anything for you, since you do own property there and your RV is your home, maybe they would except your receipts for your propane and or water delivery there as proof of residence.
Just a thought,
Best Wishes and Good Luck.
Dave w why would Arizona bother to assist him?After all he is operating the camper in Arizona and advoiding Arizona tax by registering out of state
Eric, I get the frustration but damn you sir have the time, drive back to Arizona and do it there, you should have a land title to prove you own property
if you own the property outright you should have a deed in your name.
AZ doesn't require land ownership. Address, ID and that is literally all I used when I moved to AZ.
He doesn't have a Trip Ticket to drive it legally.
Space coast, GOOD THINKING!! A Land Title!!! Isn’t that even better than a utility bill, to establish residency?!?! I sure think so!
Just drive it the chances of any troubles are slim, they'll right a ticket and you'll move on, also the dealer could get you another temp tag and overnight it
In Montana, for all vehicles over 10 years old, you can buy a “PERM” Plate!
‘Permanent Plate’
& never have to register that vehicle ever again…
No inspection required!
It’s so nice to qualify and register just once and then be done with it!
Get a Montana LLC and title and register it there....We did it for years no problems at all. You can do it all online
I had a similar issue in Texas. I had to go through the "bonded" title process in order to get plates. It took nearly six weeks to make that happen.
After three years you get a regular title.
I had an issue at the DMV with paperwork about my dad’s truck we sold after he passed. The lawyer told us what we needed. Got to the DMV and had a lady like the one you had. She didn’t want to listen to me about our issue . Went back up there after about 4 hrs and spoke with a different person. No issues at all. I think it’s a power thing with some of those people. Good luck
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Eric,
You can register your Bigfoot here in Arizona. I copied the info below from Google. I wish you the best of luck. We have watch you since your last Route 66 trip. You inspire us to travel so much. It will work out
What is proof of residency in Arizona?
Approved documents are:
Valid Arizona driver's license, Arizona identification card, or motor vehicle registration. Real estate deed or mortgage documents. Property tax bill (most recent) Valid residential lease or rental agreement (signed by both the property owner/manager & tenant)
Stay parked at the Escapees rv park. Tell the dealer to overnight/fedX you one of their valid dealer license plates to the rv park and the necessary doc's authorizing YOU to transport the BigFoot To Arizona.
When you get Bigfoot back to Tatorland, park it.
Use your property tax bill as proof of address in Arizona
( U might get that at the property assessor's office) or Open a bank account with your arizona address and get a library card for Show low.
Thats 2 forms of proof residence.
Since Bigfoot is parked at Tatorland. you can work the title issue out with the dealer.
in the meantime Wayne can install your solar while Bigfoot is parked waiting for its immigration papers lol 😊 and you can drive that cute little smart car all over town cause the streets will be too icy for big black Betty.
Just a suggestion my friend! 🙏
You need to be smart and leave that unbearable state in your RV mirror and register in your state you own land less stress in your life buddy 😊
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Hey Bud..Pops and I met you in Quartzsite at the Spot and around town. Letting you know we are with you in spirit and you’re not carrying this load alone. Take care and prayers for a quick resolution.
Also…Ausia and a Dave are still in Texas I think..maybe they are close enough to maybe help get you and kitties somewhere more comfortable.?
In some states you are still good thirty days after it expires. It is a non moving violation if you are caught so won’t go against your license. I had registration issues and drove 6 months daily without a ticket. Nothing to worry about. I would try to just register it in Arizona.
First of all, shame on you for parking in front of the handicapped ramp. 2nd it says in that article “ but there’s a catch: the county tax assessor-collector has to be willing to accept the transaction “ so they don’t have to it they don’t want to. Maybe next time read closer.
I can empathize with you a little bit as we bought an Rv in CA, our domicile is WA, and we took delivery in AZ. It took three months to get title work completed. And I at least had a very helpful title clerk to smooth out the rough spots. Still it’s unsettling to deal with what appears to be a pointless bureaucracy. I like the suggestion about getting a dealer plate from the dealer then titling in AZ. After all you own land and surely have a deed even if you don’t have utilities. They pick up garbage at your address and deliver propane I presume. Seems like you should be good with that. Probably have the issue resolved by now anyway. Best to you and your furry companions.
These little officials love their little power trips.
Seems like the different DMV offices are making up the rules as they go along,many times the people that run things are political appointees who haven't got a clue
I went years without getting my Sprinter van registered..... you'll be ok.....
These self made problems are exhausting
You have a domicile a home in Arizona plus mailing address and physical property there why don't you just title it to Arizona I don't understand that
I don't know if this will help, but I registered my Class C in Arizona without proof of residence... I used the address of an RV park (with their permission of course) as my "residential address" and the DMV did not need to see any bills or anything. I was still a CA resident up to that point, but changed my driver's license the same way. Heck, they even accepted a separate mailing address (a UPS box I rented at the time). So if you can get the vehicle back to AZ (towing on a flatbed might be an option, though probably quite expensive, it might be the only solution right now). So sorry about your trouble... that's such a bummer.
I watched this video 3 days ago, but I can't stop thinking of you and your situation. I know you are very good at getting things done, so because I've not seen another video from you, I know you are working to solve this problem.
God bless you. Stay safe and if anyone can solve this I know you can, so I'll patiently wait for you next videos.
Can you not read, or did you just choose to not read the entire article that you show in your video?
The second sentence: "But there’s a catch: The county tax assessor-collector has to be willing to accept the transaction."
I'm sure that El Paso County isn't the only country not doing this.
You should call ahead to places rather than just assuming and then crying about it.
You need to rename yourself from nomadic fanatic to Cry Baby.
Why aren't you registering it in Arizona?
I had the same title problem in Arizona when I bought my F-250 from Horne Ford. They did not have a clear title when they sold it to me. It took two months to straighten it out.
Sorry you are having such a hard time with your new to you rig. Have Oregon RV email you a new temp drive out permit, print it and drive back to AZ to register it. If I had a flat bed semi, I would go pick you, the kitties and the RV up and give you a ride back to AZ. 😊 Prayers for a quick resolution for you. Don't stress too much. You are good at finding the right solution.
Trials are supposed to make us stronger & teach us. Am aware at this point, the issues should have been resolved and you're back in AZ. Can't wait to hear how it all played out.😊
I'm sorry you are going through all of this. I pray tomorrow gives you a solution. God bless.
Why not register it in Arizona? You have property in Arizona! I never understood why you didn't think about switching your residency to Arizona.
My kid couldn’t get a car that I had registered in Michigan into his name and was in Michigan. He moved to Texas and couldn’t get it registered there either. Both States want some letter signed and notarized from the bank. The Bank told me you got what you got. My oldest son took it to Iowa and no problem changing it over.
I’d drive your camper to AZ. Get a AZ license and register it there.
With owning land in AZ, why don’t you change your residence to AZ and register your vehicles there?
Probably because registration/titling in AZ is $$$ every year.
Get a local lawyer that deals with vehicle registrations in Texas. I am sure he will find the back door solution to that BS problem.
Yes, that should help.....
Have the dealer that sold you the RV register it in your name, drive it to Arizona and register it as a new AZ resident.
I live in PA, bought a motorhome in NY. Between the notaries and dealers, I'm surprised that anything gets done right. We had issues as well. Hang in there!
Get another trip permit from the dealer you bought it from. Drive back and handle it later. You have the inspection and get the other paperwork together and fly back to TX to handle it unless you just title in AZ. Good luck
I get the feeling Eric was a long-haul trucker in a previous life!
Driving to Livingston TX and then back to Quartzsite on a bomber run, that takes some huevos.
just have the dealer give you a new temp tag, they will usually extend temp tags if you have a legitimate issue. They can fedex it to you. Hell for that matter print one off the internet, most cops wont care if you're not breaking any laws, cops don't drive around searching for expired tags.
Tell that to my elderly neighbor who has racked over $2,000 in fines bc her vehicle throws a code that won’t clear inspections.
And my cousin from Louisiana who gets pulled over every time he enters TX, & has to prove he doesn’t reside in TX.
You could possibly find temporary RV storage yard in Texas possibly and hold there it and fly back to Arizona or rent a uhaul for yourself and the cats and drive back to Arizona and just drop off the uhaul at a local uhaul place in Arizona and CamperVan maybe able to pick you up. Very sorry this is happening to you. You are doing all the right things. I wish you all the best in the world. Stay positive the best you can.
Go see a different person! DO NOT go back to that same person! Do not tell them what she said. OH and try Night Hawk tv dinners while here.
They had a big sign out there saying they don't take out of county registrations. Plus he probably is there and left already his taping is a couple days behind. He's in Arizona now for a minute I'm sure.
My buddy just got a moon mountain PMB and went to Parker to switch license and restoration. No issues . NC to Az
I’m confused why you don’t register it in Arizona where you have an address? Man I hate to hear about the title issue. But you did say it and show it yourself. “The county tax assessor has to be willing to accept it” it doesn’t say the assessor has to accept it. I could be readying that completely wrong but there is a difference between willing to and having to 🤷🏻♂️ but hope it all gets worked out for you quickly.
My first wife worked for years as a Tag ang Title Supervisor for MD MVA. She would bring home horror stories of poor people who had gotten caught up with errored titles, salvaged titles, VIN"S that didn't match titles, paperwork that didn't match, and other situations just like yours. Some wound up actually buying stolen vehicles, in which case they lost everything. Some wound up with the vehicle, but not able to tag or title in Maryland. I wish I knew of a workaround applicable to Eric's situation, but all of our state's regulations are so different. I do know this is not an uncommon situation, and there should be a path for him to fix this issue, since two dealerships are involved. The horror is when the seller is in the wind and cannot be located. The issue is time, but I think he can handle that. Eric will be ok on this. Don't worry.
I can’t wait until no inspections! So many terrible non-road worthy cars will be out there sharing the highways!
Use to be an polk county resident for six years and that office was always a pain to deal with . I used to have to do call someone in Austin at main office and I would get it resolved or talk with a supervisor at the Polk county office. Best of luck to you and I hope you can get it resolved quickly.
You live in AZ...go back to Arizona and register it there. It's inane that you domiciled in Texas after having it all set up in South Dakota.
Drive and, if stopped by the police, explain the situation to them. If you don't reside in Texas, there's no need to register your vehicle there. Instead, consider having all correspondence directed to your address in Arizona for greater convenience.
The article you showed said there was a catch. It is at the discretion of the tax collector.
Got my coffee ready for another episode. ☕️
You said you had no utilities / bills in AZ to prove your address and register there. You do own the property and therefore I assume you have a tax bill? Maybe you should have kept your SD tags etc, they are sooooo easy to deal with.
Just drive home. If you ever get pulled over just show them your paperwork stop stressing just drive home. God is in control of your journey.
Ouch !!! I'm so sorry this is happening to you.
You should talk to the supervisor at that DMV.
Bill of Sale doesn’t fly in Texas, not for the last ten years.
I can't believe people are exited about not having their vehicles inspected, the state of your vehicles in the US is shocking to say the least
Maybe you could consult a local lawyer that deals with issues like this. They may be able to handle the paperwork for you or at least give you advice with the local laws and statutes. Hope it works out!
Can't the dealer in just send you dealer plates
Hay, Eric, Texas caused me to spend a month getting my RV registered & Licensed. It will all work out.
Just drive back to AZ and don’t think twice about it, no highway patrol is going to hassle you over a 2-3-5 day expired temp travel tag. You have all the paper work, if you get pulled tell them you are headed back home to AZ to reg it there….. again I wouldn’t stress about the drive with an very newly expired temp travel tag.
I can only offer some advice,
Have dealer overnight a dealer license plate for you to drive to them and ask them to take the tittle and register it in dealerships state and insure it there.
Do that until tittle is sent to you cleared and in your name.
A big hassle but only thing i could think of.
Go talk to a Polk County lawyer. One based in Polk County, he/she can get the gold Ole boy system to work as well as state law. DON'T get upset, let them deal with it.
DMV offices are the same everywhere. There always seems to be some detail you missed that sends you to go fix it for yourself, with NO help from them, before you wait in line again. Remember this when people tell you we should turn health insurance over to the government.
In Michigan, their DMVs have always been helpful to me. I haven’t had any complaints except for the long lines in 50+ years.
Acme, so what are your ideas in fixing the problem at the DMVs?I live in Washington and we have private. companies who will prepare the paperwork for you for a fee and submit it to DMV for you and if we have a decent health care system in America I would imagine the same services would be available,many people myself included screw up the paperwork and do need assistance and that responsibly falls on the customer not the DMV clerk.