Crimewatch UK November 1988
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- Sue Cook and Nick Ross present. Cases include the Preston bank robbery at the Natwest, the murder of Michael Williams in Highgate, London and thefts at tanneries across Surrey and the South East.
The reconstruction with the man standing in the park gave me nightmares as a wee boy in 1988, I still remember it now. These shows are bringing back so many memories, thanks again!!
I've just watch it and went cold sod knows what I been back then as a 7 year old watching it
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Dogging area
Someone needs to interview the actor who played the trance man in Higbgate Woods purely for being a Crimewatch legend.
I think all the acting was good in the reconstruction, like the lady who discovers the body.
That guy standing in the woods @22.15 is very scary
it was the murder victim
I'm going through them chronologically, and this is one of the best CW episodes yet. All three reconstructions are very good; the first two are particularly excellent.
The song in the background in the Paviours Arms pub during the Michael Williams reconstruction is "I Need You" by BVSMP; got to No.3 in the UK charts in Aug '88. Not exactly a classic track, but at least it wasn't "The Locomotion" by Kylie Minogue which was also in the Top Ten around that time. Having that and The Highgate Bearded Statue of Death in the same film would've been too horrible for the human brain to cope with.
the mother cutting up apples and bitching about the home invaders is iconic.
The scene before was funny.
Just the dad smoking his pipe and then the camera pans to a man in a balaclava sat in the arm chair holding a shotgun just casually watching telly together.
Yeh, Hillarious that. Like a scene from 'Airplane' She should of went for it and pinned him with apple knife to the table and grab the shotty!
@@samhirst2830 the whole scene is great, the "fault not vault" dialogue was great as well
@@samhirst2830 hate to disappoint you but it was a sliver handgun. Still funny though 😂
You don't know if she did in real life, this is entertaining. They had guns, so you probably wouldn't want to anger them.
The man standing still in the Michael Williams case is Crimewatch gold, it's hard not laugh in what is a serious case but I wonder how the agent of actor who portrayed the odd man , told him about the part in the first place. Forget about your best actors in the Oscars, that is acting at it's finest
I remember my dad finding it amusing and suggesting that the guy “must have been an MP.” I didn’t find it funny thPugh, just thoroughly petrifying! :o
I think the actor was in the previous Crimewatch intro as somebody watching the show then phoning the cops.
A catatonic, perhaps.
manchurian candidate for real
This episode contains two of the scariest Crimewatch Reconstruction moments: when the bank manager's wife goes to the patio door in the first case and what the man and his Alsatian found in the second case.
I was 12 and remember being so rattled by the two things you mentioned that I didn’t sleep a wink that night. I vowed never to watch CW ever again as I expected the Highgate Wood guy appearing at my window any minute. I think I kept my vow for a whole month. ;)
The patio man frightened the life out of me. Scary
I didn’t find that as scary as I thought I would. I guess it’s because everyone is talking about how scary it is so I found it a bit of an anti climax. Like when I went to see Jurassic park.
@@misplacedkiwi9498 A dog barking at someone in a trance, is not that scary ......
Two of the most memorable Crimewatch reconstructions of 1988 were of murders that took place on the same night - Michael Williams here, and the murder of Keith Slater in Hessle that was reconstructed in the previous month's edition. Both murders occurred in the early morning hours of August 27, the Saturday of the bank holiday weekend.
They sorted out Keith Slater's murder, but not Michael Williams.
Thanks again Redcard! Your efforts are so appreciated!!
Can’t believe how many staff in the bank. If you go in Nat West now, you will be lucky to see two or three staff and wait ages to get served
You'd be lucky to see a branch open now. 😂
Computers have replaced them all
Easy to forget that this is last century. Even Telephone banking was barely existent back in 1988. If you wanted something out of hours, tough. A lot of people in branches back then will have been paying in cheques and cash, and asking for the most basic transactions like how much was in their account, because there was hardly any other way to do it.
I still don't use any telephone or online banking. I need a cash machine to check transactions and balances and still pay cash in at a branch
Cash machines were common by then. If we don't use our banks,we lose them -its simple. And once they're closed, they're not coming back. We all have the responsibility for people's jobs in our hands. It used to be a principal to buy British goods and services. And while many goods are no longer made here we can slow the rot as our high streets die and become no-go areas.
The Gomshall tannery robbery must have been an inside job of some sort. How many of us would know which was top quality leather? How many of us would know how to get a decent price for the stolen hides? Or would know where to find the best stock in the factory, which looks pretty big and complicated?
Just seen that the Michael Williams case is still unsolved. 😦 Such a strange case. I wonder if they ever located that scary Highgate wood man.
Still unsolved.
Thank you once again redcard74. My daily CW fix is always a highlight. 🕵🏻♀️
Pork chop.
I love these programmes. Thank you for uploading.
It seems that every one drove either a Escort or a Sierra in those days
It seems people didn't like Sierra when it was new
Thay was the cars of that decade. 😂 😂
All been scraped now be worth a few quid these days. Remember in early 2000s could buy them from scrap yard 50 quid each.
@Polar Bear
Was "worth a few quid" how you were describing "a small fortune" with somewhat dry humour?
Escorts and Sierras are worth *thousands* today - particularly mk 1,2,3 and 4 Escorts.
Early 90s, literally every fifth car I saw on average, was a mk 2,3 or 4 Escort.
They were *that* common.
I’ve watched the Michael Williams reconstruction literally dozens of times since it was originally uploaded on here a few years ago. If there’s one cold case my curiosity would wish to see solved it is this one.
So many odd elements to the case:
1. Michael was a devoted family man (who was trawling the parks and woods of N London after dark for casual sex)
2. Michael had been staying late at work to finish a project (but goes out on the beer on a whim and stays out long after he said he’d be home - fair enough though that’s not so unusual)
3. But even after realizing the time (and assuming his wife would be frantic and possibly paging him) seemed in no great hurry to get home
4. The unusual manner of his killing
5. Presumably killed in the dead of night yet apparently body dumped approx 7:30am in a busy area frequented by dog walkers
6. The peculiar stranger seen in the area approx 90 mins before his body was discovered
7. The use of his credit card at an Indian restaurant the following day. Yes, the man who used it cane forward but whereabouts did he discover it? How were the police able to satisfactorily eliminate him from their enquirers?
8. Was his wife aware of his predelictions? Unlikely she would tolerate such behaviour when he had a young child. Was his bisexuality only discovered once his murder was investigated?
9. Was the actor portrayal of his mannerisms accurate? He doesn’t seem to have had great people skills.
ToteScrote potentially it could have been a homophobic attack Micheal could have gone to Highgate wood to use the toilet and someone assumed he was homosexual the police may have assumed this was the case but not necessarily true he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time
I have also watched the reconstruction a few times before this. I do find it strange how Sue Cook emphasises his good points he is but in the reconstruction he stays out late, seemingly goes to the park for sex and is characterised as somewhat unlikable. None of which takes from the terrible fact that 30 years later, his killer has not been brought to justice.
Brendan Meskell I think it is unfair that they only feature what happened that night from things I’ve read he was a religious man so I doubt he would be out all night all the time I mean when he was murdered it was Friday night on a bank holiday weekend loads of people go out that time and don’t end up being murdered he was just unlucky
@@rtd8860 I agree it's unfair because some perdonal/ family moments of other victims are often shown. Maybe Sue mentioned all of those things at the start because the producers realised that the characterisation of Michael in the reconstruction was almost unsympathetic.
This. I think the fact he was asking where the toilet was is significant. I think you are right, he cut through the woods, ended up going to the loo in the park and got targeted by a homophobic person. But yes, it's odd. If I said to my wife I'd be home at 8 and then left the pub at 11 I would get the silent treatment for days lol
In 1988: ‘the toilets are closed here guv’
In 2021: ‘the toilets are closed here bruv’
Very good
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Thank you RedCard74 have a wonderful evening Xx
I think the ‘hypnotised’ man probably had nothing to do with the murder. I think he was terrified of dogs and believed that if he stood perfectly still the dog would leave him alone.
Then what was he doing at Highgate Woods?
Either that or he was under the influence of something.
He might have been on drugs and suffering withdrawal. Michael's body was not there at the beginning, so where was it in the meantime, and who dumped it there? Why dump it there at all? If he was killed in the woods, why not just leave the body there? Someone would have found it sooner or later.
@@treasurehunteruk9718 Something confusing about the question Sue Cook asks about whether is was killed there or not. Surely they could see how long he'd been dead, within the hour or several hours.
@@alwilfrid That has nothing to do with where he was found. His body had been moved, cos it was not there earlier, the other dog walkers said. So why move the body at all? If he was killed in the woods, why not just leave him there?
The Michael Williams case still baffles me. Not likely to ever be solved now. I'm inclined to think it was simply that he either missed his stop or chose to get off at Finchley, then got side tracked possibly cruising and was robbed somewhere. But what is unusual is that he disappeared for several hours and his body just appeared at about 7am in the morning where it would easily be found If someone had just hit him to take his wallet, you wouldn't expect them to have hung around to take his body somewhere and then to have dumped it in the middle of a pathway in daylight. That sounds far too risky.
If i had to say, i think he went cruising, then got tricked into going back with someone, was struck and killed, and someone dumped the body in a panic using a car.
But I'm not even that convinced of that. If you're sleepy after a long day and expected home to your family, would you just go off somewhere? It depends on his usual habits I guess, which we can't be sure about. In the 1980s a lot of assumptions would have been made about 'homosexuals' and there was a huge amount of stigma, particularly if he was also a christian. Interestingly his family seem to have kept silent over the years and I'm not sure how to read into that.
As for the man stood there in a trance, I'm not sure if that was just a red herring. Certainly it's very unusual given what happened next, but if he'd killed Michael then why would he be hanging around? Where was Michael when the man was stood there?
Then there's the other possibility that Michael stopped off at somebody's house, possibly a sexual partner known to him, was killed there, and then somebody else picked up his dumped credit card at some point and fraudulently used it. Would you risk using someones credit card to pay for a curry if you had murdered them? Maybe you would have done in the 1980s when there was less instant tracking and security, but it still seems questionable.
Whatever the case I definitely think this would probably have been solved nowadays with more forensic knowledge, more CCTV and movement tracking, and less stigma about homosexuality.
His body may have given away clues about sexual activity, or at the very least DNA would have been found on him, and even indicated how long he'd been dead when found. They may already have this information and didn't disclose it, or you do wonder whether they simply didn't bother to investigate it properly because assumptions were made.
Excellent comment, I think the lack of any involvement from the family in the reconstruction and then nothing online about it would suggest that the family wish to distance themselves from him.
@@redcard7475 yes and his children must be in their 40s now and nothing from them either. There's a lot of reading between the lines you can do from the whole reconstruction. Even the toilets being locked makes you wonder whether they were trying to tell us something.
Wonderful CrimeWatch At its very best .
What full of crime lol
more of my fav crimewatch thanks
Love these old shows. The weird man was mysterious.
Weird men often are.
Thsnks - Another one I’ve already seen on RUclips but do appreciate it.
The other one has crappy tracking faults/sound issues. These ones are like watching it at the time.
Redcard videos are THE Best quality.
haha classic. robber in the kitchen just chilling at the table!!
He was having to endure a maternal tearing off a strip. Slumped in resignation... maybe if the real theifs mother had told him off like that sometimes he might have grown up in society!😂
what do you do if your being held hostage in your own home ? you make an apple crumble !!
😂😂 thought the same, how random!
Leaving half the apple on the peel.
yes and tellin him off like a naughty little school boy as he eats the apple lol
YOU'RE being held.
@@olegenie1007i highly doubt she even said anything close to that when her and her family was being held hostage at gun point, they will have jusy told her to say that to make the robbers look stupid, in reality she would have needed to change her pants.
43:57 It's a bit late to be saying that Nick, now we've seen THE MAN STARING IN THE PARK RECONSTRUCTION!!!!1
STEJTHEGREATEST for real 🤣🤣
@@sdeee3842 I might have seen it countless times before, but I still pulled my feet under my blanket for safety when I watched it again just then. :(
Is it me or was he just not reacting to the viscious dog barking at him. You are taught to stand still
@@caeglas1 He was like the borg before the borg!!!!!!
Cannot find anything on Ho A Long-strangled & dumped in the River Thames. Very frustrating.
very sad case that yes
Interestingly, the murder of Michael Williams is the 2nd case, when office worker gets back at around midnight by tube to East Finchley station, gets off, walks home some distance and then gets killed in an dark alley. The 1st one was Anthony Littler, whose story was covered in October 1984 CW episode. Did the same hypnotised guy kill them both?
I think they’re definitely committed by the same person. Too many coincidences in the 2 cases for it to be different people.
aaahhh - at last, someone who knows about manchurian candidates and military experiments on the subject.
Was Mr Littler gay. This might be the connection. Gay bashing, but why were there no others?
@@treasurehunteruk9718the little attack seems to have been random. Another man was attacked three days earlier by youths with baseball bats too in that area. They have now arrested two men for Mr Litfler's murder
3:48 the coronation street theme music in the background!!!
In the more recent crimewatch episodes the reconstructions were toned down quite a lot, but some of the early ones were a bit like watching the sweeney, masked & armed men, using roles & gags to subdue their victims
the Alison Anders Trail was Featured on BBC news on 05/09/1989.
Anyone know if there was any resolution to the Ho A Long case? 31:18
It’s listed on the Unsolved Murders website, spelling his name Ho Ay Long. So I assume it didn’t get solved. Generally this website just regurgitates CW though, so maybe it’s not been updated in a while.
The amount of times l went home in London late at night. 🤯
Like millions of other people
That's one hell of an explosion as the van goes through the tannery door.
I wonder if lamp post lad was a queen's guard who took lsd or something similar and thought he was on duty
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yeah queens gaurd is the best desciption mind u , i thought the same
Highgate trance man is scary, so is Highgate at night,
24:16 looks like me waiting for Spoons to open
Funny fact, the version of Coronation Street’s theme used in the 1st reconstruction was not what the show was using, and curiously more resembles the show’s theme since 2010.
That cash machine at 6 mins 45 secs looks very futuristic, like something out of 2001 A Space Odyssey. I think I can just about remember them when they looked like that.
I remember when I first saw one. It was like seeing something from another planet!!
@@mrkipling2201 They actually look a lot less impressive now compared to the one on this clip.
The first cashpoint in England appeared as early as the mid 60s.
Sue's '80s jumpers, so snazzy and in fashion but now looks like she just threw on a jumper for the show!
I’ve no doubt they’ll come back in fashion 😊
and still sexy with it
Det Con Dick Hunt had me laughing 🤣🤣
...I'll bet he was itching to rise to the rank of Detective _Sergeant!_ 😊
Least he wasn’t called Mike Hunt!!
@@mrkipling2201 for real, I actually know someone called Mike Hunt. He was my dads client. When he phoned my dads secretary, she shouted to him ‘GARY! Mike Hunt’s on the phone!
@@misplacedkiwi9498 that is absolutely brilliant!! I wouldn’t have been able to keep a straight face!! 🤣🤣
I literally came to the comments section to lament Dick Hunt. Obviously trolling was in its infancy in 1988
The bank robbery is worthy of a film(or at least an episode of The Bill)! Were they ever caught?
Stephen Roche Yes Leonard Newsham was sentenced to just 13 years in prison in 1989. Police believe his accomplice James Gibson was shot dead in a gang-land style murder 2 months after the robbery. A third accomplice has never been traced. An interesting article with the bank managers now adult daughter: www.google.com/amp/s/www.lep.co.uk/news/crime/i-remember-being-tied-gagged-and-driven-in-the-boot-of-a-car-1-9348742/amp
Looking around it seems one of them was caught because he had a lisp & the family identified him from audio tapes.
The irony is that the James Gibson case is featured in the December 1988 programme.
Very quick justice there.
@@helencompton3320No honour among thieves.
What? Am I hearing right? 23 million pound check? Because that wouldn’t be suspicious.
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Yeah and she was a well built woman . I wonder what that means exactly ?
did a conversion thats about £76 million in todays money
I've watched this one a few times and I just realized in the Michael Williams case all the times are screwed up on the graphics in the park. I guess that's live TV for you. Crimewatch has a lot of these charming live moments, like when the cameras switch to the wrong person, or my favorite, what I call the "cocaine episode", where Nick appeared to be high out of his mind the whole time. Oh well, part of the charm I guess. I will try to sleep well😉
Which episode is the cocaine one?
Favourite.
Now forgive me but whoever told sue it was acceptable to wear that cardigan on national tv should have been fired lol
Elton John wore worse. Noel Edmonds still wears worse jumpers now.
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It looks comfy.
It was acceptable in the 80’s.
Michelle Obama wore two cardigans at the same time when she came to the UK.
I still think even after watching crime watch... That it was still a better world to live in back then.
I wouldn’t have liked it. I was alive then but I was only 8. Nowadays there is hardly any gun crime and if you see something suspicious, you can video it/take a photo of it and upload it on social media.
I think it was as well.
we had jobs in manufacturing and optimism but the rot is setting in by 1988. now it's part time jobs in out of town supermarkets, or further education to degree level to start work in debt and doing what was the office junior job in 1988 - both to hide the true unemployment figures.
Defo. Pre Mobile. The Rave scene had just started. Jobs galore & house prices were still affordable.
@@Mrrobackenson1your memory failing you
it seems like in at least half these skits the bad guys always have a liverpool accent.
Thanks redcard
19:39 That's one tall building!!!!! I used to feel a bit dizzy and timid, standing by this window close to the stairwell and elevators at my old college when I was as high as the 5th floor!!!!! By the 6th floor, I'd really be getting all wussy and overly careful!!!!! ;*(
18:03 it’s Lionel! Hellooo
5.08 flaming hell!! 😱😱😬
Fucking shit myself
In the early days of the show, the car de jour was the Ford Cortina 😂
I remember those cardigans
Me too. My mum's still got one. It looks lovely.
@@sophiejameson4064 What is the design on it? It looks like a giant leaf.
5:08 lol A bit pee come out ...
Please don't make us think of your growler....jesus.
@@nathaniliescu4597 please don't comment again you nauseating little prick
Don't suppose there's a chance of a cup of tea?Like she could refuse
Ian Bousfield I like the cheek she gives back to him in the kitchen tho
@@rosemaryoverell1375 yes tellin him off like a naughty wee schoolboy lol
That probably didn’t even happen
@@olegenie1007 and there’s some nice apple crumble for later …
Ooo a lovely cardi there sue
The "Who's got the keys to the fault"....."Vault, he means vault" made me chuckle
I'm looking for the May 2000 edition of Crimewatch UK. If anyone can help, I'd be grateful. Thanks.
Are you in it?
@@Peter-ix1ym No, I've been uploading lots of episodes of Crimewatch recently. This one is missing. I've also done a playlist for every episode which you can see here: ruclips.net/p/PL6oCQqv2KW6XFBwE-nkjXxdh7qk80jlhC
Two days after all the excitement in Preston Town Centre, PNE nabbed a 1-1 draw down at Bristol City.
Anything from 1989 in the pipeline ?-no has upped anything from that year yet
Hi David, yes am currently on with 1989 now!! It's a full time job this Crimewatch loading!!
Probably my second favourite edition of Sue Cook - after May 1986 which cannot be bettered in my opinion!
Funny you say that thus is my second favourite up to here - I'm watching them chronologically ' my favourite was the previous one by miles where she's wearing that lovely red dress.
5:08 lmao
lol, even when she knows its coming still a jump scare lol
Why did crime watch end
The police now mainly catch criminals with Social media , mobile phone technology, security and ANPR cameras .
People now use phones that hold every detail of their lives , no matter how secretive they try to be . The service provider can access every call and text ever sent or received by the phone . Satellite tracking constantly records every movement in real time and stores the data irrespective of you switching Google maps off on the phone . An iPhone has enough power in an internal capacitor to provide tracking for 3 or 4 even if the battery is completely dead ! It is now a case of what your phone can't do and it just depends on how badly the police want to catch the culprit .
There is still a crimewatch live programme on a morning with Rav sometimes
8:29, the robber was right. Unfortunately, you rob a bank and you'll get 20 years in prison, but if you kill an innocent person you get only 5 years. How messed up is that! but this is UK, where you can commit murder and still not be executed!
Don't you mean; "the wobber was wight."??
The death penalty is long gone, thank god. It doesn't work, as America shows. In fact, crime now is significantly lower than it was in the 1980s. Do keep up. Bank robberies don't really happen now. This video is from last century, in case you hadn't noticed.
i will never understand why people think the bearded park man and the dog reconstruction is creepy. i mean yes it's slightly sinister him not moving but it's not one of the creepiest. the Karen Hale reconstruction one is way creepier in 1994 and the front door
The man you saw for a second while Janice Weston was replacing her tyre. In the dark, just one flash of his silhouette. Scary!!!!
Them robbers where at the top of their game! £500,000 lot of money back in 1988
@gareth roblyn what happened to him and is still in jail ?
If it had been invested in property it would be worth 4 - 5 million today !
@gareth roblyn the people who did that were called leonard and james, james was murdered and leonard got 13 years in 89
On the bank job. Brought in Marksman. Love it. Those were the days 😂
So creepy is the Michael Williams murder and the creepy eerie man standing at the lamppost makes you wonder if he was his killer. so sad its unsolved and his daughter would be 32 33 now tragic and heartbreaking r.I.p Michael x
Looks like Jeremy Corbyn. I think he was just one of the local mentally unwell people, cannot see a killer hanging around drawing attention to himself.
How do you know it's unsolved?
@@piotrgadowski3506 look it up. It's unsolved
@@oliprj8676 I've looked it up and didn't find anything saying it's unsolved.
@@piotrgadowski3506 Think about it. If the murder had been solved it would be included in any story about it. For example if you read any story about the murders of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman it will include the information that they were killed by Ian Huntley.
The style of robbing has changed. Bank manager don’t take the keys home. Why steal a rotivator?
Rotavator. It’s a palindrome
They do take keys home. Most staff do in Natwest even now
'Vanessa darling, its Daddy' during the bank manager hostage robbery has to be another example of tbe most melodramatic crap acting in crimewatch ever alongside societies inability to imitate scouse accents properly
Why wouldn't she tell her daughter that her daddy was on the phone? Plenty of families still used mummy and daddy as their children were growing up, it's a mark of affection
@@LuciThomasHardylover-qx6ts not in Liverpool that's considered posh
@@tjc89they're not in or from Liverpool
Oh give it a rest you weirdo.
That bank job was impressive.
Exactly 35 years ago today - 3/11/88 - that this memorable episode aired. The Highgate Bearded Statue of Death haunts us still!
Two of the most compelling and frightening CW Reconstructions ever in this episode, alongside one of the lamest (leather thieves).
It’s a tragedy that Michael Williams’s family don’t have closure all these years later. Perhaps there should be a reinvestigation into this truly bizarre murder case.
Sue, that cardigan would be considered a crime today
It’s lovely.
What on earth is a mostoche?
It's how a lot of British people say moustache. The American pronunciation sounds weird to us.
Brian Farnet from Frien Barnet …
6:06 🤣
So British!
omg that guy in the woods haaaaaa
Hello,
is it me you're looking for ?!
Does any 1 know if the Micheal Williams murder was solved it was very odd case
Don't think so bud
Ryan Davies It remains unsolved. Found this interesting piece: www.google.com/amp/s/truecrimeenthusiast.wordpress.com/2017/01/31/death-in-highgate-woods/amp/
Another unsolved gay killing. Crimewatch is full of them
Not surprising-the gay community who were likely to hold the clues had little belief/trust in the police back then as they felt they were being arrested/persecuted for being gay & there is no doubt a lot of officers/forces gave them a substandard service purely because of their orientation. Being gay in the force had a massive stigma to it as well.
Four years later they were very reluctant to help out in the Colin Ireland case because of this & a couple of years after that the Peter Moore case.
@@helencompton3320 This is not credible evidence that murder is solved. It's mostly based on Crimewatch, without any other references. In my opinion the case is solved - otherwise, there would be more info on the net (probably).
I read his wife knew he was bisexual. In those days it would have been seen as a habit he had on the side, so it's quite possible his wife tolerated it to keep the family together and when he didn't come until after dark it wasn't unusual as his wife might have guessed he'd be out cruising. It was normal in those days for gay men.
Of course a woman is going to know. Acting feminine and not even knowing he’s doing it. And having a low sex drive around her where she has to initiate sex most of the time.
Bi- sexual men aren't automatically effiminate, not lacking desire for their wives
Ho a long? Really
GET IN THE BACK OF THE VAN!!!
Im guessing the wide eyed weirdo dominates the comment section below..
You're talking about David Hatcher right?
@@aaronmonette7849 🙂
Kryszdt alive! That made me jump out of my skin!
If parents would teach their kids some basic life lessons:
1. Be home by midnight
2. Don't get into people's vans
3. Don't talk to strangers
4. If you do get arrested, be well behaved because the bail conditions will be better.
Speak only when spoken to, and then briefly.
It's rude to ignore people.
Don't go off into parks at night to screw strange men and tell your wife you'll be home at 8!
10:40 its so funny the guy has such a posh voice
Michael Williams gay overtones such a shame ..
Married for eighteen years and had a child?
@@treasurehunteruk9718 Spooky
Eh??
The murder at high gate woods looks like it was that strange man that killed him . But I don’t think he intended to kill him they must got into a fight the guy with beard must have been a karate expert he must have try to hit him some where else and caught his neck . When he found he killed him that’s where he must have been in shock when the German Shepard was barking at him
Shock would doubtfully induce such a reaction from an animal like that.
_Evil_ on the other hand, might well do.
Animals and children tend to be more receptive to good and evil than adults (often, not always), so this could explain the man's "hypnotized" look...he simply couldn't be "reached" to feel any sort of good about him.
The way it was described, the man may have just indulged in something very debauched, and felt only evil - nothing decent at all.
One big problem with that, the body wasn't there when the man was seen and was found after he left. The killer had to drop him off by car and leave in a pretty tight time period.
But where was the man killed all those hours. I mean it was around 6am now.
It looks like a homosexual encounter that went wrong in the woods.
@@HdHd-hp6qzI think that is the most plausible explanation.
Why redcard? Why not yellow card? I guess you don't like yellow cards.
u have too much time on your hands kev lol