If Nami is unbeatable like you say then why are we not in a Nami Tier zero format? You kept complaining about how he was saying "draw the out" when in your scenarios he always had kaya's and pilafs and you always bricked. Black Yellow Luffy isn't and auto loss because nami doesn't run gravity blade. He said if more players play gion to counter nami then he will play gravity blade to deal with it which is max 2 in a nami deck. Your argument for Doffy and Reiju was we have to draw pudding but he will always have Apis/Pilaf/Kaya. Lucci kills kayas and blockers and can hit 9 with multiple swings. Which Peron deck plays gecko and sabo as only black cards? Enel swings 9k consistenly. Bonny swings 9k consistenly and has Hodi and Zoro. You don't like playing against nami, that's fine, next time make some arguments and don't strawman his positions.
Two CCs arguing over who is MORE RIGHT. Guess what? I'm more right than the nami haters and the nami copers, but it don't matter at the end the day. End of the day all that matters is how much salt is left. Lotta salt here methinks.
Ima keep it real and just say all this Nami drama is dumb and y'all should just deal. If the meta ends up sucking take a break, but seriously, we're not even there yet. This is just copers and haters theorycrafting. I mean it's this cycle of "Reiju is tier 0!" "No Moria Ban? Black is tier 0!" "Nami is broken! Ruined meta!". We all hate playing against something, but come on, at least let the new meta emerge before we start boo-hooing and poo-pooing.
First point - you misconstrued his point. It's was not that people who win dont understand card design, it's that you shouldn't trust their opinion on card design just *because* they have serial wins. Point 2 starving, yes nami can play cards to self mill, but the majority of most decks is still counter events swinging with no intent allows them to only mill faster. Using alt removal to kill kayas and searchers prevents them from returning them to hand to slow their mill. I don't start attacking until I have established multiple big bodies that I can boost with don!! Point 3 swings, obv you can't swing a shitload of 13k's. But most decks have big bodies you can establish to swing with don!! Attached. My general strategy is pressuring with 11ks, 13ks, and 6ks (to remove single 2k counters) I find I can *easily* beat nami regardless of the deck. I'm not going to get upset and call you bad, but I think you're too headstrong in your thought process and cannot see the points that are being made. You come off as cocky and uncaring when someone else voices their opinions on what you say.
nah bro, he's chill. He's making content for ez money, low hanging fruit and all that. His obvious distaste of the reaction to his video, defending his opinion, is not him taking this guy seriously. He is chill and not worried about it at all. Bigmantring energy. Hitting this guy with a well thought out, admittedly insufferable, but at least not perfunctory response.
But saying that because he plays removal doesn’t mean he will see it, is hypocritical because you are saying that because you are playing Gion that you will see it. Also when he says about starving, I think he is not meaning that is the usual sense of stopping you from taking like. I think when he talks about starving Nami players, he means not allowing them to play cards from their hand to reduce their hand size. Yes they can still play all their draw cards, but that just builds their hand which then gets punished by Pudding. He also said if the character is big enough swing 13k again how I interpret this is because he is talking about starving so you are dedicating all your don to a giant swing so you can’t get rid of the likes of rubber band or white snake. Obviously I don’t know how this whole chain of reaction videos started, I don’t watch that mill guy as I have not been on Nami. I Watch your videos because you provide good insight and we know you play at a top level. Sounds like this guy has watch your video, taken it at face value because maybe you have not mentioned some stuff. You have taken it to heart and are now trying to diminish a lot of his points. Which from a lower level neutral perspective looks like you are being too dismissive. Would recommend you carry on putting out videos that are useful and don’t worry about whether someone disagrees 👍🏻
Should see his Blackbeard video.... "If you lose to Nami, you are bad at the game" "Black beard is no skill and just hands out free wins" The hypocrisy of this guy is unbelievable....
After watching your previous video, this video, and his reaction video. I think you’re overreacting a bit to Nami being good for realistically a week. The ban list is officially enforced on September 6th and set 8 releases on September 13th here in the U.S. I don’t think Nami potentially being the best deck for a week will be as bad as you’ve projected and I don’t think morethatmills articulated his points in a good way either. Maybe set 8 Nami may become a true menace, but I’m looking forward to the new meta.
@@MugiwaraOPTCGthat’s fair and if Nami wins it cool if not that’s cool too. I don’t think one week of Nami winning will be bad for the game, but to be fair I’m also just looking ahead towards set 8 and playing with 4 out of the 6 new leaders.
Ok lets errata the and make play 90 cards. Now we can give blue some good draw cards like we gave black all the removals they want cuz you know let each color utilize their characteristics.
I had never played against a nami until last week and I was playing Enel. I got out 2 gedatsu, 2 rocket luffy and one yamato and by then they were under 20 cards in deck. They played pilaf 4 turns in a row, 3 kaya and a couple of searchers and were just milling through their deck like crazy. I genuinely didn't know tactics but swung 7 and 9s as that's what I heard was good to swing (although now I think 6s can be good too). I inevitably lost which tbh is fine, I have never played against nami before. My conclusion though was It was just boring, no interaction with the opponent.. Nothing. And I think I was pretty lucky with even having the gedatsu and rocket luffy which means I was able to put characters down. But it's okay. Now I know.... 13s... GG
as someone that has a lot of experience with other TCGs over the last 8 years it is had to understand why people are so scared of Nami. She is the only leader currently in the game with an alt win con. Having alt win cons in a TCG is usually a good thing, it helps keep the game refreshing and new. Nami as a leader is a skill check to most players to see how well they know the match up and how well they know how and when to swing based on the cards and DON available. If something happens to Nami and means the deck is not really viable anymore then a lot of people will leave. I would suggest looking at other TCGs and seeing their alt win cons as it help those games. Nami is fine and if you know how to play against it you can win.
I am genuinely wondering if this millguy has ever competed in a regional EVER. Please somebody tell this man t he regional format is different than sim format and if he hasn't at LEAST competed in a regional he shouldn't have a voice on what is and what isn't good for the game.
Yeah I think anyone who doesn’t have multiple tops shouldn’t voice their opinion on high level meta issues. Of course at first I didn’t have tops either but I at least played in multiple big tournaments with real decks and studied the game
Love you for that, that guy has no clue. I remember that guy interviewing the eu top8 nami guy. In that 2hour video he was Talking 1,50h himself asking questions just to Talk about All his opinions and stuff. In that Moment i knew what a type of guy this is. Your King bro
25:52 Nami attacks characters. It's useful to KO characters so the opponent has 1 less swing if their attack goes through. That's pretty standard. Surprised you didn't know that.
@@memebump7612 you dont win with attack so i Will basically Always have counter to stop them + if you want to attacco bug body you Will use tò Much don on leader and you Will have to less don tò protect.
@@Tegamone310 You can win by attacking characters played early and mid game. Sometimes, just taking 1 character away from the opponent is all you need to survive. And on rare occasions, you can even win by attacking the opponents leader by milling with Namis effect.
If I knew swinging 9k, 11k, and 13k is all I had to do to beat nami, I wouldn't lose with green yellow yamato. I think I am going to try that next time I play against Nami. I can't believe I never thought about building a wide board and swinging those numbers.
@s0uLMisT3rY maybe u should reevaluate ur life bc of ur bullshit comment. U literally don't know my build or the skill of my opponents. U just assume so u really need to look in a mirror and reevaluate ur life.
As someone who plays Nami, I agree it's boring as hell and very reliant on your opponent hitting you. I also think that Nami loses a lot more to all meta decks, I don't think I've ever felt a "I win because you're x leader", but I'm also not trying to play top 1% or try to be the most optimal gamer alive. I definitely think you're more in the "correct" stance on the topic though even though I like both you and Mil
Reiju w/ Pudding, Gravity Blade, and Arlong is insane against Nami. I only play this variant to stomp Nami decks repeatedly on the sim for fun. But in reality, this version of Reiju gets killed by everything else.
I never get when people talk about Nami, they try to have it both ways, "It's easy to beat bro just have the right cards/swing 9 😂😂", and also "Lmao nami beats every deck with Grav Blade and Hanger, Gion is useless"
First off, I appreciate the content that you and VV bring out, and I hope life and stuff is going well. Love your videos and you were the first channel I watched when I started playing OPTCG in July. I'm a competitive Magic: The Gathering player and of course I am accustomed to playing against mill decks, and honestly I find them boring but to each their own. In Magic, this deck style is fine because the game itself has been longstanding and there are plenty of decks and colors that can work around it. Moving over to One Piece, it is pretty crazy that only blue has a true counter to the Nami deck. I know we can't keep calling for new bans, but Bandai needs to balance things out. On another note, I played in a store tournament (got second woo!) with my rush Zoro deck and the final matchup was me against a Nami player. He genuinely did not look like he had a good time playing the deck and he was just practicing for Nationals. I wasn't having a fun time during the matchup either. one of your previous videos spoke on the health of the game with Nami leading meta, and I completely agree. It's a bad look. Thanks for reading my Ted Talk, Much love
Yooo thanks for the comment. Welcome to the community. I know a lot of people coming from magic have plenty experience with alt win cons. I don’t mind them in other card games. But this one blue is the only consistent answer which sucks. So yeah you’re right on that. If all decks could just tech in a card for nami it would be completely fine. Congrats on the tournament brotha
Nah fr i watched that earlier and was like aight so the out is to just not swing until 10 don and then spend 4-5 more turns playing 9 or 10 costs? Wonder why i never thought of that, dudes goofy fr
The last part about not watching his content was way too harsh. I hate Nami, but I guess she could be part of the game to some extent, though never close to an S-tier level like she is now. Maybe the advice is not to take everything a content creator says to heart without checking it out for yourself. For example, I started on OP03 and, because of a RUclipsr, I started playing with BY Big Mon. What a mistake, hahaha! And the point about basketball was priceless.
A lot of these certainties you're speaking of rely on drawing certain cards, which just doesn't happen all the time. Nami has highs and lows just like any other deck in a card game. There are no blanket statements and no one card that you can tech to guarantee a win vs any deck. I've won vs a board of 3 gions with Nami because the opponent didn't know what they were doing and drew extremely well. I've won with a 9k kaya swing bc the opponent got cocky and didn't math correctly. Anything is possible if you give it your best effort and never give up. :) Just learn the matchup, make good plays like you do vs other decks, and get back to making quality content with experienced insight. Stop the hate vs any deck that you don't like because it gives others permission to take that attitude into the real world. A lot of people have decks they dislike playing against. The shifting of the meta provides a unique experience for every player, sometimes you will be happy. Sometimes you will be sad. No need to start calling each other stupid. It's our responsibility to make this community a positive and pleasant place for all players who want to be our nakamas.
Alternative win conditions are cool and healthy at a local level for tilting your buddies but when it's topping regionals that's so brutal. It's not even the same game anymore if that happens. Im not bitching and moaning that much about nami, but I've never walked away from a win even and gone "man that was so fun"
Nami is toxic as an archetype and should never be above tier 2 for the format to be healthy, sorry is just the truth, I have been playing card games since 2012, game design wise having these types of archetypes on top of competitive is a failure, like they failed 3 times in a row with Whitebeard Sakazuki and rp Law, the IP is carrying this poorly made tcg
I can tell you for a fact he’s coping. I am making an article video on this topic and addressing his response to you with my own opinions on Nami. Like keep at it bro. Deck needs to go.
All I got from his video was Nami isn't broken it has counters but I have workarounds for those counters, practice high rolling into the matchup otherwise you dont know the game and it's a skill issue
Im really not hating but I don’t understand how he talks about nami being the most interesting leader and how milling is needed so the whole tcg can survive because from his perspective doing combos and attacking the opponents life so they can lose a life is boring and bad. If he was a multiple Regional winner or somehow world champ i would shut up , but imagine talking about other decks like lucci level 1 or level 2 players where the only color he plays is blue and it’s nami. It’s like me playing football in my backyard and talking smack about basketball players in nba. I would love to see him play against nami with other leaders so I can witness the 13k wide board mega swings
Consistent list with ivankovs BY luffy stomps over nami. Getting ace/Luffy out really early applies too much pressure. Esp when some lists play 3 makino. Kuzan build is obviously harder. But ii think that list should also run 2-3 ace pairs for nami. I think playing 1 is a mistake. 3 makino helps with this though. You dont play gecko, at all. thats 8 don you could use swinging with 5-6k + 8k luffy
If you know how to play Nami so well. Why don’t you just make a video for how to beat Nami with any deck and help the community? Rather than random drama where you continue to just complain against a deck that isn’t meta
Okay I’m gonna block you from commenting because you either just hate on what I do or try to bait me. I don’t want to make a vid about beating nami cus it’s boring. And also it’s my channel and I want to do things I enjoy
@@heartpiratestcg I’m not hating bro. I actually really like your content. I watch almost all of your videos and try to be active in your discord. I just advise it may be better for you to show how to destroy Nami and help your community so it won’t be a problem. Rather than complain about it and get into little beefs over it. By not helping your community beat Nami you are allowing Nami to win more games than it should which means you will face it more
I jus thope the one piece community wont get toxic. all this clickbaiting youtubers bitchinf about decks they dont like the play against and insulting eachother, acting like they invented the game and know evrything. You guys arent doing the community a favour. Take some notes from real_joshua he is a really good one piece tcg youtuber and isnt toxic.
He said he will quit OPTCG when nami gets ban but talks about health of the game. So in other words, he only sees that nami is the only thing that is holding off the health and stability of the game 🤣🤣
Swinging 13 with 3 characters with Enel without any duplicate characters is wild. Even with his example ace (+3 don), Yamato (+4 don), gedatsu (+7 don). Since when were we playing with 14 don 😂
Kinda disagree with the esport side of players know the game well, followed league to long to know most of those guys are braindead but so are riot so..
True. I would say most people know more about the balance or health of a game if they play at a high level than the makers of the game cus they have an inside scoop
Love to see R/G Law still in action, but are there any other good Red Straw Hat Decks? Been trying to cook R/Y Hats under the generic ST13 Sabo Leader for that sweet sweet O-Nami Banish buff and stuffing my characters in the one place most Decks can't nuke them. 😂
Speaking about logic... Where was the call for banning saka? Nobody enjoyed playing against it, it won in the west more than every other Deck and nearly all decks had an autoloose, if the luck was on the side of the saka player Oh wait you were a saka main i forgot... Talking about the kind of interactions between players So you want to tell me if one aspect is missing you dont interact? So red zoro isn't interacting with his opponent because he only attacks? yeah...
lmao thats how I know you dont watch any of my videos. Because I said in previous videos if Saka dominated for 3 sets in a row like whitebeard did then I am fine banning the leader or at least restricting cards that make him as powerful. But if you recall.... Saka wasnt actually dominating until set 6. Set 5 was a 3 deck meta. Get smarter my g. Best advice I can give you because whatever you said in that second paragraph isnt making much sense bucko
@@heartpiratestcg Yeah three sets and you calling nami out after two wins... 36:51 you are talking about kinds of interaction So I can say zoro is not interactive because he doesnt react to attacks just taking it and spams board and attacking?
Bro's out here saying "I'm being pretty chill" on repeat in the comments when he's making this vapid, tacky beef track lol - who's actually on the copium here? 🤔
I responded to the points he made that I heard. Also he made a reaction to me. I never asked for his opinion because I didn’t want it. But since he went out of his way to make a video I will respond to it how I see fit. I’m not gonna respond to what he’s saying that I didn’t hear. But also this guy is a no name player who doesn’t have a relevant opinion so why waste time hearing him out when I proved his points wrong
@@Rumham729yo bro I just found out that statistics are stupid, you can be known as a top 1% player in your country, have a huge chunk of the community population following your channel and you’re still a no-name! 🤯 the official Bandai channel only has 43k subs, guess it’s a no-name 😂
@@Rumham729RUclips statistics even show that heartpiratestcg is top 5 in ALL viewer counts and subs popularity in general among one piece tcg channels. Guess he’s a no-name 😅 also at least 2 of them are in another continent buying Japanese cards in set 8, talking about 9 and they understand the language hmmmmmm
At this point, the Nami Kuja Navy Blue fustercluck sounds like it really could just win on card advantage and combat like a normal Deck instead of living and dying solely by mill shenanigans, and the Nami Leader is just there on the off chance you blow yourself up filibustering the game and drawing every card in your Deck. 😂
If i had a coin every time i flat out told a nami player to take the cards from their deck out of it and whatever else they did just to put it down and show the result straight up id have like 8 coins. Cant be bothered with nami turns no more.
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One way to settle it : you play nami and then he has to beat you with another deck from your meta lista.
Much love
If Nami is unbeatable like you say then why are we not in a Nami Tier zero format? You kept complaining about how he was saying "draw the out" when in your scenarios he always had kaya's and pilafs and you always bricked. Black Yellow Luffy isn't and auto loss because nami doesn't run gravity blade. He said if more players play gion to counter nami then he will play gravity blade to deal with it which is max 2 in a nami deck. Your argument for Doffy and Reiju was we have to draw pudding but he will always have Apis/Pilaf/Kaya. Lucci kills kayas and blockers and can hit 9 with multiple swings. Which Peron deck plays gecko and sabo as only black cards? Enel swings 9k consistenly. Bonny swings 9k consistenly and has Hodi and Zoro. You don't like playing against nami, that's fine, next time make some arguments and don't strawman his positions.
You killed it bro, watched the mill guys full vid and it deserved a laugh track along side it
Thanks man I feel like I completely bodied lol
Two CCs arguing over who is MORE RIGHT. Guess what? I'm more right than the nami haters and the nami copers, but it don't matter at the end the day. End of the day all that matters is how much salt is left. Lotta salt here methinks.
I’m pretty chill on this brotha. Just my job to make vids. This was low hanging fruit
@@heartpiratestcg Hey, respect for the hustle. Farm that content, people gotta eat. Just want to drop the objective takeaway from the vid.
@@heartpiratestcg "im pretty chill on this" bro its 40 minutes of yapping.
@@heartpiratestcgEz check. Nothing wrong with that. Keep making I'll keep watchin em
@@ntre5127he’s replying to a longer vid of yapping what does this even mean lol
Ima keep it real and just say all this Nami drama is dumb and y'all should just deal. If the meta ends up sucking take a break, but seriously, we're not even there yet. This is just copers and haters theorycrafting.
I mean it's this cycle of "Reiju is tier 0!" "No Moria Ban? Black is tier 0!" "Nami is broken! Ruined meta!".
We all hate playing against something, but come on, at least let the new meta emerge before we start boo-hooing and poo-pooing.
I’m being pretty chill. I thought his video was funny. I’m very calm tbh
Nami ain't fun to face
First point - you misconstrued his point.
It's was not that people who win dont understand card design, it's that you shouldn't trust their opinion on card design just *because* they have serial wins.
Point 2 starving, yes nami can play cards to self mill, but the majority of most decks is still counter events swinging with no intent allows them to only mill faster. Using alt removal to kill kayas and searchers prevents them from returning them to hand to slow their mill.
I don't start attacking until I have established multiple big bodies that I can boost with don!!
Point 3 swings, obv you can't swing a shitload of 13k's. But most decks have big bodies you can establish to swing with don!! Attached. My general strategy is pressuring with 11ks, 13ks, and 6ks (to remove single 2k counters)
I find I can *easily* beat nami regardless of the deck. I'm not going to get upset and call you bad, but I think you're too headstrong in your thought process and cannot see the points that are being made. You come off as cocky and uncaring when someone else voices their opinions on what you say.
nah bro, he's chill. He's making content for ez money, low hanging fruit and all that. His obvious distaste of the reaction to his video, defending his opinion, is not him taking this guy seriously. He is chill and not worried about it at all. Bigmantring energy. Hitting this guy with a well thought out, admittedly insufferable, but at least not perfunctory response.
The main issue with both responses is you guys pause too much mid thought of the other person and start your responses premature imo
My bad bro I was just rockin and rolling
My buddy plays 3-4 Zoro in his bonney...so to be fair he's gona be the only bonney player to beat nami lol
I hope he’s at nationals lol
Guys he is clearly wrong we need to swing with at least 6 characters 15 k. Done it many times and it works perfectly
Exactly lol
But saying that because he plays removal doesn’t mean he will see it, is hypocritical because you are saying that because you are playing Gion that you will see it.
Also when he says about starving, I think he is not meaning that is the usual sense of stopping you from taking like. I think when he talks about starving Nami players, he means not allowing them to play cards from their hand to reduce their hand size. Yes they can still play all their draw cards, but that just builds their hand which then gets punished by Pudding.
He also said if the character is big enough swing 13k again how I interpret this is because he is talking about starving so you are dedicating all your don to a giant swing so you can’t get rid of the likes of rubber band or white snake.
Obviously I don’t know how this whole chain of reaction videos started, I don’t watch that mill guy as I have not been on Nami. I Watch your videos because you provide good insight and we know you play at a top level. Sounds like this guy has watch your video, taken it at face value because maybe you have not mentioned some stuff. You have taken it to heart and are now trying to diminish a lot of his points. Which from a lower level neutral perspective looks like you are being too dismissive. Would recommend you carry on putting out videos that are useful and don’t worry about whether someone disagrees 👍🏻
I don't know who is right anymore. Im just with my nami deck and staying out of this
The nami player is wrong
29:23 He's not saying to swing 13k three times. directly after hes saying to swing 13 with ace, 13 with yamato, and 9 with gedatsu.
Should see his Blackbeard video....
"If you lose to Nami, you are bad at the game"
"Black beard is no skill and just hands out free wins"
The hypocrisy of this guy is unbelievable....
lol it’s all satire. This guy makes videos for the most casual of players and warps his opinions based on that. He has no actual knowledge on the game
Man really said nami was the most interactive deck in the game 😂😂😂
Actual bozo lol
This might be your best video yet. Good stuff.
After watching your previous video, this video, and his reaction video. I think you’re overreacting a bit to Nami being good for realistically a week. The ban list is officially enforced on September 6th and set 8 releases on September 13th here in the U.S. I don’t think Nami potentially being the best deck for a week will be as bad as you’ve projected and I don’t think morethatmills articulated his points in a good way either. Maybe set 8 Nami may become a true menace, but I’m looking forward to the new meta.
I’m pretty chill on this. I think it’s bad for the game but I’m very calm in my approach. I’m just making vids. It’s my job
@@heartpiratestcgabsolutely keep it up!
That week also happens to have the most important tournaments of the season in both Europe and North America
Nami just won a regional
@@MugiwaraOPTCGthat’s fair and if Nami wins it cool if not that’s cool too. I don’t think one week of Nami winning will be bad for the game, but to be fair I’m also just looking ahead towards set 8 and playing with 4 out of the 6 new leaders.
Ok lets errata the and make play 90 cards. Now we can give blue some good draw cards like we gave black all the removals they want cuz you know let each color utilize their characteristics.
A Blue Leader with the effect "Your Deck has 90 cards according to the rules" could be seriously busted at the grind game lmao. 😂
I had never played against a nami until last week and I was playing Enel. I got out 2 gedatsu, 2 rocket luffy and one yamato and by then they were under 20 cards in deck. They played pilaf 4 turns in a row, 3 kaya and a couple of searchers and were just milling through their deck like crazy. I genuinely didn't know tactics but swung 7 and 9s as that's what I heard was good to swing (although now I think 6s can be good too). I inevitably lost which tbh is fine, I have never played against nami before. My conclusion though was It was just boring, no interaction with the opponent.. Nothing. And I think I was pretty lucky with even having the gedatsu and rocket luffy which means I was able to put characters down.
But it's okay. Now I know.... 13s... GG
as someone that has a lot of experience with other TCGs over the last 8 years it is had to understand why people are so scared of Nami. She is the only leader currently in the game with an alt win con. Having alt win cons in a TCG is usually a good thing, it helps keep the game refreshing and new. Nami as a leader is a skill check to most players to see how well they know the match up and how well they know how and when to swing based on the cards and DON available. If something happens to Nami and means the deck is not really viable anymore then a lot of people will leave. I would suggest looking at other TCGs and seeing their alt win cons as it help those games. Nami is fine and if you know how to play against it you can win.
I am genuinely wondering if this millguy has ever competed in a regional EVER. Please somebody tell this man t he regional format is different than sim format and if he hasn't at LEAST competed in a regional he shouldn't have a voice on what is and what isn't good for the game.
Yeah I think anyone who doesn’t have multiple tops shouldn’t voice their opinion on high level meta issues. Of course at first I didn’t have tops either but I at least played in multiple big tournaments with real decks and studied the game
Love you for that, that guy has no clue. I remember that guy interviewing the eu top8 nami guy. In that 2hour video he was Talking 1,50h himself asking questions just to Talk about All his opinions and stuff. In that Moment i knew what a type of guy this is. Your King bro
25:52 Nami attacks characters.
It's useful to KO characters so the opponent has 1 less swing if their attack goes through. That's pretty standard.
Surprised you didn't know that.
My brother. Nami makes a 5k attack per turn into a character. Not exactly an attacker lol
@@heartpiratestcg Add 1 don and Nami goes 6 into 4. Add 2 don Nami goes 7 into 5. It's pretty useful.
@@memebump7612 you dont win with attack so i Will basically Always have counter to stop them + if you want to attacco bug body you Will use tò Much don on leader and you Will have to less don tò protect.
@@Tegamone310 You can win by attacking characters played early and mid game. Sometimes, just taking 1 character away from the opponent is all you need to survive.
And on rare occasions, you can even win by attacking the opponents leader by milling with Namis effect.
If I knew swinging 9k, 11k, and 13k is all I had to do to beat nami, I wouldn't lose with green yellow yamato. I think I am going to try that next time I play against Nami. I can't believe I never thought about building a wide board and swinging those numbers.
It’s a real game changer lol
Brother in Christ ,if you're losing to Nami with Yamato, reevaluate your life
@s0uLMisT3rY maybe u should reevaluate ur life bc of ur bullshit comment. U literally don't know my build or the skill of my opponents. U just assume so u really need to look in a mirror and reevaluate ur life.
As someone who plays Nami, I agree it's boring as hell and very reliant on your opponent hitting you. I also think that Nami loses a lot more to all meta decks, I don't think I've ever felt a "I win because you're x leader", but I'm also not trying to play top 1% or try to be the most optimal gamer alive. I definitely think you're more in the "correct" stance on the topic though even though I like both you and Mil
Grav blade on a gion is a trade in FAVOR on the gion player lmao crazyyyy
Bro that’s excactly what I’m thinking lmao.. gravity blade for a gion ?
spending 7 Don ?! Please do so you will only have 3 Don open at best..
This guy obviously doesn't know squat about this card game
I’m sorry things haven’t been going better for you! I just found your channel. But keep your head up bro. It gets better.
Just wondering, how does BY Ace do against Nami? With the 7k attacks with leader you could do enough possibly?
I’m not sure. I haven’t played a lot of ace but I assume it’s probably decent cus it can play pudding
@@heartpiratestcg I'd be interested to see that match. Nami is seriously a problem though if we are all playing blue so we can have pudding 😂
@jacobhamill8920 Pudding is just to screw with fat hand Decks in general iirc like all the hand trash cards in Black. 😂
Reiju w/ Pudding, Gravity Blade, and Arlong is insane against Nami.
I only play this variant to stomp Nami decks repeatedly on the sim for fun.
But in reality, this version of Reiju gets killed by everything else.
A reaction video to a reaction video?
Can we go deeper?
Can us viewers have a feast tonight?
a good beef is always appreciated
🤣
Let’s go the asmongold route of a 6x reaction
I never get when people talk about Nami, they try to have it both ways, "It's easy to beat bro just have the right cards/swing 9 😂😂", and also "Lmao nami beats every deck with Grav Blade and Hanger, Gion is useless"
I play blue doffy. Thank you for telling me all I have to do is swing for 13... it's super easy to do in my deck xd.
Thank god for his advice lol
2:50 GOOD OL "DRAW THE OUT" LMAOOO, gotta love it hahaha
Every yugioh players favorite line
There’s only one way to settle this.. you both playing live stream sim match againts each other.. 😊😊
I need popcorn stat
First off, I appreciate the content that you and VV bring out, and I hope life and stuff is going well. Love your videos and you were the first channel I watched when I started playing OPTCG in July.
I'm a competitive Magic: The Gathering player and of course I am accustomed to playing against mill decks, and honestly I find them boring but to each their own. In Magic, this deck style is fine because the game itself has been longstanding and there are plenty of decks and colors that can work around it. Moving over to One Piece, it is pretty crazy that only blue has a true counter to the Nami deck. I know we can't keep calling for new bans, but Bandai needs to balance things out.
On another note, I played in a store tournament (got second woo!) with my rush Zoro deck and the final matchup was me against a Nami player. He genuinely did not look like he had a good time playing the deck and he was just practicing for Nationals. I wasn't having a fun time during the matchup either. one of your previous videos spoke on the health of the game with Nami leading meta, and I completely agree. It's a bad look.
Thanks for reading my Ted Talk, Much love
Yooo thanks for the comment. Welcome to the community. I know a lot of people coming from magic have plenty experience with alt win cons. I don’t mind them in other card games. But this one blue is the only consistent answer which sucks. So yeah you’re right on that. If all decks could just tech in a card for nami it would be completely fine.
Congrats on the tournament brotha
Nah fr i watched that earlier and was like aight so the out is to just not swing until 10 don and then spend 4-5 more turns playing 9 or 10 costs? Wonder why i never thought of that, dudes goofy fr
Lmao he didn’t hear himself talk
Hptcg "4 copies and searchers for that card"
Me, a kaido player:😭😭😭😭 "relate"
Literally lol
I mean that guy only talk about how kat is so brain dead when it’s already out of the meta. His Nami opinion really doesn’t matter
I think he was talking about big mom can hit 13k easily😂.
@@KhoaLe-tr3cg and take a life on play
Game is supposed to be fun. People leave matchup because it is boring. Sounds like a deck for a healthy game.
@@SEanBwal lmao literally
Just think it as the interesting deck. It is so fun. If you are the good player, there will be no complain for the mid-tier deck.
@@TheOne11111nami isn't mid. It literally is winning multiple regional and treasure cups
Nah this Nami player is cringe ass hell. You should have went in on him 10x more heart.
It's time to take the gloves off
The last part about not watching his content was way too harsh. I hate Nami, but I guess she could be part of the game to some extent, though never close to an S-tier level like she is now. Maybe the advice is not to take everything a content creator says to heart without checking it out for yourself. For example, I started on OP03 and, because of a RUclipsr, I started playing with BY Big Mon. What a mistake, hahaha! And the point about basketball was priceless.
It could be harsh but this guy was insulting me on his video so I don’t care
You have a point there but, you didn't had to said tha you dont care 😂😅
A lot of these certainties you're speaking of rely on drawing certain cards, which just doesn't happen all the time. Nami has highs and lows just like any other deck in a card game. There are no blanket statements and no one card that you can tech to guarantee a win vs any deck. I've won vs a board of 3 gions with Nami because the opponent didn't know what they were doing and drew extremely well. I've won with a 9k kaya swing bc the opponent got cocky and didn't math correctly. Anything is possible if you give it your best effort and never give up. :)
Just learn the matchup, make good plays like you do vs other decks, and get back to making quality content with experienced insight. Stop the hate vs any deck that you don't like because it gives others permission to take that attitude into the real world. A lot of people have decks they dislike playing against. The shifting of the meta provides a unique experience for every player, sometimes you will be happy. Sometimes you will be sad. No need to start calling each other stupid. It's our responsibility to make this community a positive and pleasant place for all players who want to be our nakamas.
This guy is a tool 😂
@@Rumham729 Can't build anything without tools! More effective than punching, even Franky agrees. 👍
Alternative win conditions are cool and healthy at a local level for tilting your buddies but when it's topping regionals that's so brutal. It's not even the same game anymore if that happens. Im not bitching and moaning that much about nami, but I've never walked away from a win even and gone "man that was so fun"
Not a black player, but Why wouldn’t the lucci player wanna always run Stussy then? 19:25
So as a yellow player im supposed to use 4 amaru on my flampee to swing 13k?
As a Bonney player no doubt zoro is key but it’s not a 4 of for that deck and you MAYBE see it max 10% of games. This guy is living in another world.
Literally. It’s not searchable or a 4 of. So playing it on curve is ridiculously difficult
Just swing 13k while they have 5 cards to mill out 😂
Nami is toxic as an archetype and should never be above tier 2 for the format to be healthy, sorry is just the truth, I have been playing card games since 2012, game design wise having these types of archetypes on top of competitive is a failure, like they failed 3 times in a row with Whitebeard Sakazuki and rp Law, the IP is carrying this poorly made tcg
I can tell you for a fact he’s coping. I am making an article video on this topic and addressing his response to you with my own opinions on Nami. Like keep at it bro. Deck needs to go.
All I got from his video was Nami isn't broken it has counters but I have workarounds for those counters, practice high rolling into the matchup otherwise you dont know the game and it's a skill issue
Swing 13 bro, gg.
Sing 13 bro, gg baby.
Easy serial bro
@@heartpiratestcg swing 13, how did we not think of that bro?
The Nami zombie horde mad pressed in the comments here 🤣
LITERALLY
Lol, did u see the game where he played and got recked by the Gion 🤣
I remember him complaining about RP Law beating Nami before. He should’ve just learned the matchup.
Yeah idk how he hasn’t thought of that lol
Im really not hating but I don’t understand how he talks about nami being the most interesting leader and how milling is needed so the whole tcg can survive because from his perspective doing combos and attacking the opponents life so they can lose a life is boring and bad. If he was a multiple Regional winner or somehow world champ i would shut up , but imagine talking about other decks like lucci level 1 or level 2 players where the only color he plays is blue and it’s nami. It’s like me playing football in my backyard and talking smack about basketball players in nba. I would love to see him play against nami with other leaders so I can witness the 13k wide board mega swings
Start swinging 13k turn 1 GG
Consistent list with ivankovs BY luffy stomps over nami. Getting ace/Luffy out really early applies too much pressure. Esp when some lists play 3 makino.
Kuzan build is obviously harder. But ii think that list should also run 2-3 ace pairs for nami. I think playing 1 is a mistake. 3 makino helps with this though.
You dont play gecko, at all. thats 8 don you could use swinging with 5-6k + 8k luffy
Swing 13 GG!!
It’s way too easy bro. Why didn’t we think of that
If you know how to play Nami so well. Why don’t you just make a video for how to beat Nami with any deck and help the community? Rather than random drama where you continue to just complain against a deck that isn’t meta
Okay I’m gonna block you from commenting because you either just hate on what I do or try to bait me. I don’t want to make a vid about beating nami cus it’s boring. And also it’s my channel and I want to do things I enjoy
@@heartpiratestcg I’m not hating bro. I actually really like your content. I watch almost all of your videos and try to be active in your discord. I just advise it may be better for you to show how to destroy Nami and help your community so it won’t be a problem. Rather than complain about it and get into little beefs over it. By not helping your community beat Nami you are allowing Nami to win more games than it should which means you will face it more
I jus thope the one piece community wont get toxic. all this clickbaiting youtubers bitchinf about decks they dont like the play against and insulting eachother, acting like they invented the game and know evrything. You guys arent doing the community a favour.
Take some notes from real_joshua he is a really good one piece tcg youtuber and isnt toxic.
I don’t need to take notes from anyone lol
I gave up when one over-countered my 21k swing…
Lmao that’s so funny. They don’t even have to counter 21 they just have to mill out first
He said he will quit OPTCG when nami gets ban but talks about health of the game.
So in other words, he only sees that nami is the only thing that is holding off the health and stability of the game 🤣🤣
Swinging 13 with 3 characters with Enel without any duplicate characters is wild. Even with his example ace (+3 don), Yamato (+4 don), gedatsu (+7 don). Since when were we playing with 14 don 😂
Yeah what he’s saying is not logical at all lol. “Just swing 13 bro” that’s not the answer
You're my favorite of all OP TCG creators
Yooooo are you fr lol or is this troll
Just swing 13 bozo gg ez
We found the route
Everyone is forgetting we have the true Nami counter: Byrnndi World. Swing for 800k gg ez.
If nami can find and setup 2-3 blockers when below 20 cards it Ggs for most decks.
Yeah and usually they’re high on life too
The law ban has made Nami T0.5
At this point you guys gotta do a money match
I would bet all the money in my bank account that I would win a best of 3 with any deck that isn’t nami. Like mirror match doffy or ivankov or gecko.
swing 13 ....
I’m going to the comment section now to tell millguy to respond to you because I want to see the world burn. 😂
It’s the only logical conclusion
This is the same RUclipsr who was backing a cheater along with the rest of the o-nami Stans 😂….Milling cards is not a skill in any TCG.
Lmao facts bro. Literally
Why so much hate? Is it that difficult to beat Nami?
Not hate. It’s just pointing out the truth
Lucci? Tht u?
He really plays Gravity Blade in Nami??? 😂 this guy is so bad.
Nami saps the fun out of the game
Couldn’t agree more
There is only one thing more cancer than nami deck and that is a nami player.
Lmaooo
Yoww your discord link has expired. Please help I wanna join.
Try now ! Or try my other links in other videos
Play red green law search zoro gg 😂😂
Dumb drama is dumb.
Low hanging fruit
Kinda disagree with the esport side of players know the game well, followed league to long to know most of those guys are braindead but so are riot so..
Then why aren't you topping but they are?
True. I would say most people know more about the balance or health of a game if they play at a high level than the makers of the game cus they have an inside scoop
Swing 13s GG😂
There is 1 deck that can search Zoro Red/Green law with 1 cost nami that's our only consistent deck too beat nami lol.
Yeah and unfortunately it dies to lucci lol
Love to see R/G Law still in action, but are there any other good Red Straw Hat Decks? Been trying to cook R/Y Hats under the generic ST13 Sabo Leader for that sweet sweet O-Nami Banish buff and stuffing my characters in the one place most Decks can't nuke them. 😂
Speaking about logic...
Where was the call for banning saka?
Nobody enjoyed playing against it, it won in the west more than every other Deck and nearly all decks had an autoloose, if the luck was on the side of the saka player
Oh wait you were a saka main i forgot...
Talking about the kind of interactions between players
So you want to tell me if one aspect is missing you dont interact?
So red zoro isn't interacting with his opponent because he only attacks? yeah...
lmao thats how I know you dont watch any of my videos. Because I said in previous videos if Saka dominated for 3 sets in a row like whitebeard did then I am fine banning the leader or at least restricting cards that make him as powerful. But if you recall.... Saka wasnt actually dominating until set 6. Set 5 was a 3 deck meta.
Get smarter my g. Best advice I can give you because whatever you said in that second paragraph isnt making much sense bucko
@@heartpiratestcgyou got all the Nami gooners after you now my guy 🤣🤣
@@heartpiratestcg
Yeah three sets and you calling nami out after two wins...
36:51 you are talking about kinds of interaction
So I can say zoro is not interactive because he doesnt react to attacks just taking it and spams board and attacking?
@@heartpiratestcg
Watch the final of the noheroes regional and you see how playstyle is key
Dang you are obsessed with nami. Is nami winning flagships in mass now?
Lmao bro it is my job to talk about the game. Nami is a part of one piece
She literally won a regional recently
His takes give me an estimate of how much chipped paint he put in his mouth growing up
Lmao
That guy is actually so wrong on so many takes. He really gives “I don’t know how to play the game” vibes
He’s screaming it
Bro's out here saying "I'm being pretty chill" on repeat in the comments when he's making this vapid, tacky beef track lol - who's actually on the copium here? 🤔
Your mom’s pussy was nasty bro. Tell her to wash
@@heartpiratestcg lol get medicated 🤣
@@heartpiratestcg lmfaooooo
Nami player sighted
@@heartpiratestcg chill daddy chill Xd
Woah, what happened to hearing the whole video out before putting your two cents in?
I responded to the points he made that I heard. Also he made a reaction to me. I never asked for his opinion because I didn’t want it. But since he went out of his way to make a video I will respond to it how I see fit. I’m not gonna respond to what he’s saying that I didn’t hear. But also this guy is a no name player who doesn’t have a relevant opinion so why waste time hearing him out when I proved his points wrong
@@heartpiratestcgyeah and you are a no namer. You have like 9k subs 😂
@@Rumham729yo bro I just found out that statistics are stupid, you can be known as a top 1% player in your country, have a huge chunk of the community population following your channel and you’re still a no-name! 🤯 the official Bandai channel only has 43k subs, guess it’s a no-name 😂
@@sharkillerxtreme233 he’s not much less a no name than you or me in the grand scheme of RUclips
@@Rumham729RUclips statistics even show that heartpiratestcg is top 5 in ALL viewer counts and subs popularity in general among one piece tcg channels. Guess he’s a no-name 😅 also at least 2 of them are in another continent buying Japanese cards in set 8, talking about 9 and they understand the language hmmmmmm
no hate the nami guy but this is one piece the game is base on combat go play magic 😂
He's originally a mill magic player too😂😂😂😂 I've always hated this guy's takes
@@ApxDoffy sounds BASED mill on TOP
At this point, the Nami Kuja Navy Blue fustercluck sounds like it really could just win on card advantage and combat like a normal Deck instead of living and dying solely by mill shenanigans, and the Nami Leader is just there on the off chance you blow yourself up filibustering the game and drawing every card in your Deck. 😂
If i had a coin every time i flat out told a nami player to take the cards from their deck out of it and whatever else they did just to put it down and show the result straight up id have like 8 coins. Cant be bothered with nami turns no more.
LMAO
I’m sorry things haven’t been going better for you! I just found your channel. But keep your head up bro. It gets better.
Thank you so much my friend