In SC1, yes. due to the acceleration of the probe being like 20% higher, the Protoss income comes in faster. In SC2, I'm not sure. It's the same afaik, but I mainly just play bw, so you could be right.
About that mining... I am not a progamer, but repeatedly watching replays at SC 2 I came to the same conclusion: regardless of how I position my SCVs, with the same amount of SCVs I always have smaller income than protoss. So you say this is actually normal?
@Nearmello12 2012 season round 1's record for race vs race. T:P = 24:25 (49:51) T:Z = 28:17 (62:38) P:Z = 31:25.=(55:45) Protoss was really strong over the last regular round and that is reflected to overall record. But still p v t is almost 50:50. I believe the concept of "counter race" (p > t > z > p) doesn't work for p v t, which could be kinda imba. U will realize that if u reach to really high level in all of the three races.
about zealots being op, have you ever really played against terran? i myself am a huge zealot fan, and even more a pusan fan (ZEALOT SPIRIT), but when it comes to zealot/dragoon ratio the reason is becase of vultures and mines as you prolly know... zealot recall can be strong and maybe op against a mediocre player but a good terran scans your arbiter tech and plants mines in possible base recall spots, insta killin the majority of yo lots...
Guys, in case you're wondering... just take a look at KeSPA rankings; 1) Flash - 1,146.8 2) Jangbi - 956.3 3) FanTaSy - 928.5 4) hydra - 753.8 5) Zero - 733.5 6) Jaedong - 710 7) Soulkey - 659 8) soO - 654 9) stork - 645 10) Bisu - 637 Flash is a mile in front of everybody else.
It is strange that it looked like Flash was ahead after the first attack, Horang2 lost some goons and probes to mines, but looking at supply difference Horang2 was still ahead like in 20. I think this was a mistake by Flash, he should have super turtled on three bases, mass the army and kill Horang2.
@TomValedro The best Terran is 16 win - 3 lose. You can't win every game, even when you play Terran, because SC is a game where luck and chance still factors in. Horang2 has also improved his PvT drastically. Did you not see the zealot recall? If Flash played Z, TvZ would be uphill battle, and ZvZ would be too luck-dependent to have 16-3 record. If Flash played P, PvZ would be uphill battle, and TvP at S-class would actually not be in favor of Protoss. But he plays T, TvZ autowin race
@Procyonarc how do you know that they are not acting smart you dont know them in person at all dont judge them unless you really know them some of them do earn money possibly more than you
A kid? No, that I believe you are. I was mearly commenting on the funness of telling someoen else not to 'act smart' despite the fact that you have no idea if that person uses that strategy or not.
Most people (with normal powers of observation) that have played for more than a month should notice it. Anyone that isn't a fucking noob should absolutely know it.
I havent seen that many zealot recalls into terran tank center before, and i have always wondered why not. Protoss usually recalls a command center instead with many losses. To kill a terran you should kill his army efficiently, not his eco.
@fangedcow12345 I like when D+ players (are you Terran player?) arguing about Progamers skill. If Zealots are so imba go play Protoss and Recall Zeals everywhere. And yes it took THIS LONG to make Recall because Protoss lost some Probes and Dragoons on that sneaky Vultures - watch game more carefully next time.
Idiots crying about imbalances. P is the underdog races cause T>P and Z>P. Look again at how amazing Horang's play was vs Flash's and complain that Flash should've won.... T should never be able to win vs P in macro battles, that's why god gave Terran the "timing push"
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does the team decide what music pops up when they are introduced before the game?
thats waht you use to show that he has improved ghis pvt?
In SC1, yes. due to the acceleration of the probe being like 20% higher, the Protoss income comes in faster.
In SC2, I'm not sure. It's the same afaik, but I mainly just play bw, so you could be right.
About that mining... I am not a progamer, but repeatedly watching replays at SC 2 I came to the same conclusion: regardless of how I position my SCVs, with the same amount of SCVs I always have smaller income than protoss. So you say this is actually normal?
@Nearmello12
2012 season round 1's record for race vs race.
T:P = 24:25 (49:51)
T:Z = 28:17 (62:38)
P:Z = 31:25.=(55:45)
Protoss was really strong over the last regular round and that is reflected to overall record. But still p v t is almost 50:50.
I believe the concept of "counter race" (p > t > z > p) doesn't work for p v t, which could be kinda imba. U will realize that if u reach to really high level in all of the three races.
@zephyrsimon Wrong, speedvultures are the fastest unit in the game. They are faster than speedlings.
15:32 시속 163km의 직구
18:41 시속 170km의 변화구
Tactical recall. For how many years I've been advocating this...
really thanks for awesomely quick upload
wish I'd understand anything what they are talking about...
name of end song ?
my eyes. this is so beautiful
@bonsu1000 it's figurative speech lol? Even then, I'm talking about Starcraft, not life.
What's wrong Flash?
about zealots being op, have you ever really played against terran? i myself am a huge zealot fan, and even more a pusan fan (ZEALOT SPIRIT), but when it comes to zealot/dragoon ratio the reason is becase of vultures and mines as you prolly know... zealot recall can be strong and maybe op against a mediocre player but a good terran scans your arbiter tech and plants mines in possible base recall spots, insta killin the majority of yo lots...
I liked how horang made alot of gateways started a fight then when the fight was over transferred probes and continued the fight it was perfect.
was a really good game, but was was Effort doing at 16:10 min strange micro, still my favourit zerg player
We have to discuss Ban Landmines
@zephyrsimon except Zealot have 3 times the health. and one zealot can clear 10 mines before dying.
그 와중에 박태민 생각보다 해설 잘해서 놀람
어떤 게임
마지막에 이영호:
"아.. 어떻게 뚫었냐? 말도 안되...." ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
영호 개 털림 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
와 진짜 플레이 엄청 깔끔하다 이경민
@TomValedro
I'm always upset about how imba T is. Flash wouldn't be as dominant if he played P or Z. That's a fact.
Guys, in case you're wondering... just take a look at KeSPA rankings;
1) Flash - 1,146.8
2) Jangbi - 956.3
3) FanTaSy - 928.5
4) hydra - 753.8
5) Zero - 733.5
6) Jaedong - 710
7) Soulkey - 659
8) soO - 654
9) stork - 645
10) Bisu - 637
Flash is a mile in front of everybody else.
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2:30 game start
well, how could we know? we dont speak korean...
no they haven't, there are more strategies than they use or try.
game starts at 2:00
Horang2 not snow :)
very good play by protoss, i couldnt of made that many gateways as I would see it as overkill on 2 bases in normal situations
wow, everyone really picks it up during the play offs. Spectators=winners :D
Игра просто нечто!!!
totally agree with you ! Thumbs up!
It is strange that it looked like Flash was ahead after the first attack, Horang2 lost some goons and probes to mines, but looking at supply difference Horang2 was still ahead like in 20. I think this was a mistake by Flash, he should have super turtled on three bases, mass the army and kill Horang2.
아 젠장 갓영호가 지다니 영호야 요즘 왜그러냐 너의 팬으로써 슬프다 화이팅
@TomValedro
The best Terran is 16 win - 3 lose. You can't win every game, even when you play Terran, because SC is a game where luck and chance still factors in.
Horang2 has also improved his PvT drastically. Did you not see the zealot recall?
If Flash played Z, TvZ would be uphill battle, and ZvZ would be too luck-dependent to have 16-3 record.
If Flash played P, PvZ would be uphill battle, and TvP at S-class would actually not be in favor of Protoss.
But he plays T, TvZ autowin race
start 1:56
As a rule of thumb, the number of bases you have can maximally support a number of gateways 4 times bigger.
But man, fuck the rules.
@BladePenguin They are choosing it themselves.
that was crazy man
lol, are you trying to say vultures OP?
@Procyonarc how do you know that they are not acting smart you dont know them in person at all dont judge them unless you really know them some of them do earn money possibly more than you
you guys will never believe the absurd dream i just had....
A kid? No, that I believe you are.
I was mearly commenting on the funness of telling someoen else not to 'act smart' despite the fact that you have no idea if that person uses that strategy or not.
Most people (with normal powers of observation) that have played for more than a month should notice it. Anyone that isn't a fucking noob should absolutely know it.
@MsNica1987 It's the most balanced strategy ever. Deal with it.
Kid, I never said I was one. And you are?
EPIC!
RECALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL @18:45
I havent seen that many zealot recalls into terran tank center before, and i have always wondered why not. Protoss usually recalls a command center instead with many losses. To kill a terran you should kill his army efficiently, not his eco.
@zephyrsimon
Faster, hehe.
wtf is happening to flash, I don't think this opening has any chance vs modern protoss if he doesn't make mistakes. horang did play much better
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@mitac38 he didn't emp first vessel. end of story
I think she is good. she is much better than jun yong joon.
Horang GJ!
Zealot needs to be nerfed by 30-40 HP AT LEAST
horang2 nice！！！
losing to horang? wow...
@IVomitOnYourGod
Don't feed the troll.
huge pressing
Donezees
@fangedcow12345
I like when D+ players (are you Terran player?) arguing about Progamers skill. If Zealots are so imba go play Protoss and Recall Zeals everywhere. And yes it took THIS LONG to make Recall because Protoss lost some Probes and Dragoons on that sneaky Vultures - watch game more carefully next time.
mech is so immobile so sad!
Flash forgot how to win
Flash slump
map is a swastika
- Which is funny because you aren't one ^_^
Zealots are a fucking joke. They can run through 100000 mines. and not even be half damaged. Fucking joke.
@vasjaforutube1 Pro-gamers have thought of everything possible in Starcraft BW. Don't act smart.
flash u dun goofed.
:OHGODWHY:
wow flash why you lost to this scrub??
задавил массой
omg flash weak, only 16-3 record now!!!!!
Zealot ridiculoius unit
wtf Flash look weak....
lol what
FLASH Y U NO WIN ANYMORE
no duh.
This is problematic
QQ, nub
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protoss joke race
Idiots crying about imbalances. P is the underdog races cause T>P and Z>P. Look again at how amazing Horang's play was vs Flash's and complain that Flash should've won.... T should never be able to win vs P in macro battles, that's why god gave Terran the "timing push"