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@@DarkOptimus2910 Not sure, probably when Wilds has another presentation. My internet is rather unstable which makes streaming difficult. Also I do remember you!
I think it's really hard to design a turf war for him because the obvious question will be "Why doesn't he just divebomb everything?" This is probably why in the game itself, he does in fact just divebomb everything.
@@HeavyWings Yeah, rather than give him any turf wars, they did the most reasonable thing given his kit (and especially given how extra insanely aggressive Crimson Glow is compared to a standard Valstrax in terms of ecology), and rather than give him turf wars, they gave him the Ambush. However, I don't think the ambush should be announced in the same way as a turf war, for obvious reasons. It's a shame that all the fun and surprise gets removed because of it.
The animations are super well done, i just wish they weren't so damn sped up and short. RiseBreak has insanely good details that you can barely notice because the game doesn't allow itself a moment to let you appreciate it.
@@Spike2276they were sped up for a reason, in world you had to wait 3 business days for a turf war to finish, it gets really irritating after the 100th time im glad its sped up in risebreak
The Sunbreak turf wars being so much better at the cost of more turf wars is interesting. Cause yeah, Sunbreak Tuef Wars rule... but there's so many strange omissions. Rathalos had both of its rival flying wyverns in Seregios and Astalos added in Sunbreak and neither have a turf war with it. In fact, every returning flagship in Sunbreak only got 1 turf war. Seregios and Gore's single turf war was spent on each other, cool in that they're the MH4 flagships; but Gore has a historical bout with Tigrex while Steve has one with Rathalos, why not have those be their turf wars? Why put Shagaru out of the arena into a proper map and give it no turf wars? It was almost certainly a budget thing, we even know of a scrapped turf war between Malzeno and Garangolm because there was concept art of it. Hopefully with Wilds there's a better balance of unique turf wars without having so few.
Sunbreak forgoing even the most low-effort recycling for say, Magnamalo vs Seregios/Astalos/Espinas means the devs probably took a lot of Iceborne's criticism to heart and only focused on purely unique turf wars, plus whatever they could recycle from Iceborne (Velkhana's and Rajang's turf wars come back). Shagaru Magala goes in open maps likely because they didn't want to recreate a whole arena for one monster, the Forlorn arena was already in the works as a general thing anyway. Besides, that one area of the Citadel kind of resembles it. And you're correct, there was 100% a Malzeno vs Garangolm turf war in the works, there's even neat looking Key Art of it happening, and the concept art being shown on Twitter was actually our first hint that Malzeno could teleport lol. Probably a budget and workflow thing, it's not a coincidence that Velkhana was a fairly simple port from Iceborne and that update added some of the best turf wars - they had more time to work on them.
My favorite is Odogron/Vaal hazak since it does a wonderful job of showing both monsters personalities and abilities. With the former showing their speed, aggression, and over-confidence. While the later shows off their sluggish, methodical, and creepiness. It also shows the hierarchy of the rotten vale with the former top dog being humbled by the true ruler of the vale.
6:24 I do agree with this category solely because my friend has a clip of us hunting a Tobi-Kadachi, Deviljho coming in, and us failing the hunt because Debiljho threw Tobi-Kadachi at him, causing him to cart. We only had one cart because it was an investigation.
goss harag just smaking the hell out of tetranodon makes me sad that the monster isnt stronger because i would have love to see him going head to head against rajang, that would have been a hell of a brute force match
I love your channel, I love ecology, and I love turf-wars. These all have one amazing thing in common, being monster hunter. I cannot wait for wilds, and I am so excited to see where you and Oceaniz and everyone else go with it!
Some favourite nuances, -Malzeno is the only monster to have a completely different animation between its two forms for a turf war against the same monster, Velkhana. -Diablos vs Diablos is currently the only intraspecific (between the same species) turf war -Glavenus vs Rathalos is the only turf war where the winner completely swaps depending on which zone they fight in. -Rathalos loses the most turf wars at four animations. Right behind him is Paolumu and Velkhana, both at three. -Rajang is the only non-elder to explicitly defeat an elder dragon. Inversely, Amatsu is the only elder dragon to explicitly defeat an elder-level.
Rathalos vs Glavenus isn't particularly interesting in animation; but there is a cool feature to it. If you're in a lower elevation of the Ancient Forest, Glavenus looses. It's just the Rath v Anja animation, but I believe its the only instance of a turf war where both opponents have a win con depending on circumstance.
it's such a great fight though it looks oh so odd, didn't know Rathalos Blue was being used though they look very skinny at that.... must of lost weight I guess
I personally think Seregios Vs Gore Magala is rly good, it showcases that gore is inexperienced and just assumes Seregios is downed after he uses his frenzy blasts, Seregios tanks it and counterattacks, i think that's cool!
The Rise Sunbreak turf wars were peak, especially with the elder dragons like Kush vs Espinas or Velkhana vs Primordial. 👌 Edit: I think at that point in development, especially with the endgame monsters is when the turf wars were polished out and it makes me excited for the potential turf wars in Wilds
I agree with the malzeno and velkhana turf war I think it’s the best because it perfectly represents what a turf war between two elders would look like
Savage Jho once showed up, initiated turf war with Ebony Odogaron (it was already in near-death state), proceeded to grab it in it's jaw and smacked the shit out of it against the ground for a good minute, killing it in the end. I love it when Jho shows up. Once had him bully Bazelgeuse twice within 10 minutes (didn't realise a turf war can be done more than once per monster pairing)
Rise/Sunbreak may not look as "good" (although I still prefer it) but they really blew world out with turf wars, even the repeat ones. Have to assume it's an engine thing, but the wierd snap animation lock stuff in world just looks like a joke in comparison. Hopefully wilds will be the best of both worlds.
One thing I do appreciate about the Magnamalo/Elder Dragon turf war is the divebomb is not aimed at you anymore, now it's just aimed behind the non Magnamalo monster's starting position, the same position that they launch in the basic version if you're out of range. It just highlights Magnamalo's sheer dominance over the lesser monsters even better and makes the targeted dive bomb a lot cooler. The reframing does kinda showcase instead of Magnamalos domination over flying wyverns it almost frames it as a desperation to keep up with the elder dragons. It's a really cool reframing of a reused animation and the elder dragon empowering the dive bomb with their own power to beat Magnamalo showcases their durability as elder dragons over Magnamalo. I dunno I think it's a really cool turf war if you overthink it WAY too much
You know I was pretty deep into Sunbreak before I even saw my first Turf War in Risebreak. I believe it was while farming for a Shagaru Magala set. Due to the Wyvern Riding mechanic triggering very quickly when monsters interact and hit each other causing the special stagger combined with the fact monsters run away shortly after, maybe they just decided it wasn't worth the cost. The way monsters move around the map also means I usually see less repeated interactions between them than in World on the same hunt, even if I am far more likely to see my primary target interact with all additional monsters far more. I wonder if that also fed into the lack of new turf wars in that game. Rise definitely had troubled development if we base that on how unfinished it launched. I almost wonder if they just never got around to it and decided that slipping them in after the fact would look worse. Alternatively it might have been added late in development as a feature in general. There's a lot of little signs from some of the Japanese discussion that Rise was a deck stacking gambit originally, if World flopped the more traditional Monster Hunter game in the form of Rise would come out and ensure everyone it was just an experiment. World didn't flop and actually did incredible and Rise had to rush to adapt to the insane popularity of the new gen 5 style of game leading to development troubles with the new more open maps and trying to implement more of those features into Rise. There's also some evidence the hardware of the Switch was a huge hinderance for them. I do think the response to reused turf wars was a bit overblown in Iceborne and mostly a symptom of the lack of new unique turf wars between the more significant and showy monsters and a general lack of turf wars for skeletons that would have had atypical win/loss pairings between each other than a symptom of the reuse. I think it is a far more glaring issue of when there's not a turf war between monsters and they just sort of roar at each other and do a few generic attacks before one of them leaves. Turf Wars being treated as special then making them more generic was far more damaging than if turf wars started generic and the unique ones were special. Having more generic turf wars for all three possible outcomes (win, loss, and tie) between every skeleton pairing as a fall back would help with this. There should still be a effort made to make sure monsters that are highly likely to interact or who have special ecology should have special turf wars and monsters who do use the generic ones should be tuned to trigger far less often to help hide when the fall back is needed. For the average player it won't be that big of an issue as you just won't see every turf war pairing in a casual playthrough and even unique turf wars get tuned out after enough hours. The unique ones would still stick out if plentiful enough and showy enough meaning the generic ones wouldn't stick out as much lessening the issue. People remember the unusual cases more than the generic cases, and it was unusual how many reuses Iceborne suffered from making them stick out and be more easily remembered. It would also ensure there wouldn't be glaringly silly situations like "Pukei-Pukei didn't have a Turf War until Rajang got added". This also makes future games have more time to focus on unique turf wars and allow for the changing of turf wars to be replaced with unique ones in future entries if the monsters start interacting more frequently. I think a policy of "At least one unique turf war per monster" policy would help. Even if that just meant that you ended up with a few monsters known for having a lot of unique turf wars with others in their area. Would it be that bad if Anjanath was known for having a unique turf war with Great Jagras, Pukei-Pukei, and Rathalos? No, it'd just cement him as being an aggressive and belligerent monster like Odogaron. Would it be that bad if Dodogama was known for only having a unique turf war Uragaan? Not really, Dodogama and Uragaan compete for the same minerals as food. Uragaan would likely end up with the surplus of unique Turf Wars in the Elder's Recess anyways, it moves around a lot so it interacts with other monsters a lot giving it a feel of being a monster that is just constantly getting bullied as it tries to find food. Then you bump into a generic one between Uragaan and Azure Rathalos and it might as well be unique due to how unlikely it is to realize it was a generic reuse that would also happen if Radobaan and Legiana somehow met, something that can only happen with areas like the Guiding Lands. Literally before I hit send on this I realized something. If there was such a system to ensure no pairings we lacking turf wars you could actually then add an extra layer to hunter knowledge being used in game play. Luring monsters into unique or generic turf wars you know your target will lose.
Something I noticed is that we don't really get turf wars between monsters that use the same skeleton, aside from Elders which chiefly reuse the Kushala structure. The only notable exception is Diablos which fights both Rathian and Black Diablos. I wonder if there are tecnical restraints behind this or if it was just an odd choice from the dev team, as I think there are some missed chances here (like, none of the brute wyverns fight each other ...)
We do have Zinogre vs Lunagaron. I dunno though, maybe they thought it would be more interesting for opposing skeletons to fight. That's an observation I've not heard before.
@@HeavyWings I thought about that but wasn't sure if they actually used the same rig, with Luna havign a more upright stand and stiffer tail, it seems to have more in common with Magnamalo to me.
@@matteolucarelli4615 generally, monsters in the same category share the same basic rig. Elders are the only class that is truly anything goes, while Bird and Fanged Beast may depend on how much stretching from the base design are you willing to consider still being "the same rig".
I feel like the turfwar that frostfang barioth gets with brute wyverns should get some points as even though its recycled like many others, the fact frostfang barioth just yeets banbaro (for example) at the end of the animation will always be funny
20:44 Primordial Malzeno vs. Velkhana looks so stiff at the start, because that's the idea. Primordial Malzeno is using its wings like a lance and tower shield. It maintains a rigid, solid stance to block and counter until it can go in for a proper assault.
This makes me think of the first time I fought Acidic Glavenus in the mission a Tigrex spawned and despite only having one turf war with each other they kept following each other from area to area even when me and my palico weren't there and beating the crap out of each other for about half the mission
Personally I tend to really like turf wars that focus on a prolonged struggle, like with glavenus v. Odogaron or Malzeno v. Velkhana, I can generally get behind this list though, I’m not even someone who likes magnamalo but his turf wars in sunbreak especially are incredible
the only prob i have with the Magna vs flying wyvern turf war is Barioth ,,,,while yeah is from the pseudos the best flyer is so out of place when it does this whole thing ' me and my friends literally joked if magna would have a turfwar with diablos Diablos would also suddenly think it has to fly but back to magna vs Barioth i would loved if its more unique as if barioth trys to hit magna with an icebreath but misses hits the ground with it and creates such an tornado both barioth and magna get sucked in barioth used to it takes advantage then magna gets flugn to the groudn and barioth literally "dives" into magna if the fans still want the magna to win let him blast barioth in the end with hellfire generally i never was a fan of the thign as its for me jsut ? op ? in turfwars for no reason you have bazelgeuse who can go toe to toe with an deviljho who can go toe to toe with elders and magna throws it aroudn as whatever
yeah it does but as an pseudo wyvern its flying style is a lot diffrent and how it used it it was also seen with giginox in tri/tri u when it was flying ( mostly when changing locals) but generally the magnamalo turfwars ( not all) are jsut boring as the flying mosnters is doing the same thing over and over again instead of giving everyone an quite unique one i loved in the MH movie ( no not the bad one XD) the scene where Congalala stood its ground agaisnt deviljho it looked epic af ,,, and its jsut a Congalala why cant then agnosome ,tobi or kulu also do some fancy shit when an Congalala can hold his own agaisnt a deviljho for some time then an Kulu can def keep up with an Rath or Agnasome with Magna jsut make it unique im not saying these weaker guys should win but actually show that they can hold theyr own for at least a bit
5:27 small nitpick but the footage is Devlijho vs Legiana when you're discussing the Deviljho vs Rathalos turf war. Doesn't really matter, but wanted to point it out!
19:29 apparently I found out a while ago when I got sandwiched at the end of the turf war, you can apparently get stunned even with level 3 stun resistance after the final clash, which is absurd.
Deviljho taking Diablos to suplex city will forever be my favorite turf war. Right above Rajang and Nergi going toe to toe and Pickle taking a bite out of a pie made in a factory. A bomb factory. It’s a bomb.
The cutscene? Lmao that one ruled, perfect way of showing how insane Yian Garuga is, even Deviljho will eventually back off because Garuga is more trouble than he's worth.
B52 vs Angry pickle is a fave of mine because it shows that Jho might have some competition, its like Bagel evolved to counter Jho, those bombs CAN make the pickle run away.
I wanna share some of my thoughts on turf wars, and what I believe could be a good way to improve them. Firstly, I believe there are two types of turf wars: Ecology turf wars and Gamebreaking turf wars. Ecology turf wars main purpose is to give monsters personality, as well as showing us how they handle other monsters. It makes monsters feel like living animals, rather than just bosses in a videogame, and this a enjoy. Some examples of this would be: Anjanath's turf wars with Great Jagras and Rathalos; Diablos fighting each other, tetranadon's turf wars with the bears, Tiziti trying to blind a Odogaron, and so on. Gamebreaking turf wars show how strong a monster is, intentionally or not. These turf wars aren't really good (imo), mainly because they seem quite pointless, and are more designed to do a lot of damage to the losing monster, with no sense of realism or struggle. Deviljho is one of these turf wars, but he gets a pass because he's designed to be an above-average monster. I'd also say Rajang falls into this category, but his fights with elders are questionable. Magnamalo's turf wars, on the other hand, are purely for damage and no ecology. All of his fights are one sided (besides Mal and Vel), and it only shows how cool and powerful Magna is, not to mention how unnatural he is as well, even by elder standards. I think the first thing to do to turf wars is keeping them realistic (looks at Magna and Akno turf war), as well as making it a struggle for both monsters, excluding a few. Some other things I'd like to see would be more variety, better animations, more same species turf wars, maybe even something like mini turf wars( Monsters would use unique attacks dealing smaller amounts of damage on other monsters consistently rather than one big fight dealing a lot of damage).
Not going to lie, I kinda forgot that Rise has turf wars. Since I would normally ride one and don't think you can do both close together. So this is the first time I'm seeing most of those.
I feel like the reason why the iceborne monsters don’t use their abilities is because they behave exactly how animals would fight in the real world. Teeth, claws, and raw muscle.
Only downside with Rise turfwars is how they immediately remind you you’re playing a video game because they suddenly go superspeed and turn bright colors due to elemental effects 😭
I’m not sure if it’s canon but I saw unnatural history channel’s video on gave us and I remeber he talks about how they use their tails to attract mates and therefore try to avoid using it for combat unless necessary which means that for turf wars it wouldn’t want to risk breaking its tail on another monster.
If i remember correctly in a diablos turf war. It always wins the one with more horns left. If both have the same black diablos always wins. A small detail i really like.
Nah bro i think you really down playing primordial vs velkhana Even if the begging feels slow That aerial combo and how he tosses velkhana like it wss trash to the ground is just so satisfying
one of my favorites is lunagaron vs zinogre all because of the stare down and how similar yet different these monsters are. Personally one of my least favorites is magnamalo vs flying wyverns/teostra and kushala. I don't like it because... physics. There's no way any of these monsters except maybe the elder would still be able to fly while magnamalo is grabbed on to them in the air. Like it looks so silly to see aknosom still in flight while this monster 3 times as big as it is grabbed on to him.
MH kind of plays fast and loose with flight, because realistically there's no way half of these things would be able to fly with their wingspans, Malzeno being a prime culprit. Aknosom is probably the silliest in context of the turf war but none of the others stick out to me.
I love the video but I can’t ignore 5:30 where you’re talking about Deviljho vs Rathalos but Leviana is in the footage instead of Rathalos. Idk if it was intentional or if this was an error
Not an error, it uses the exact same animations. I should have made that more clear though, it's just that during editing I realised my Jho vs Legiana footage was way better that of Jho vs Rathalos. Throughout the video there's a couple of occasions where I use Sunbreak footage when talking about an Iceborne turf war, it's for the same reason.
@Heavywings makes sense. Thanks for the clarification. Also I’m surprised as to how many turf wars there are in the series when in rise I’ve seen like 2 within almost 100 hours of playtime
I don't mind a bit of recycling here and there, because most Sunbreak players will likely never see that Seregios turf war. But I need the base turf war itself to be good.
Something I didn't know for a while is that the Diablos v Black Diablos fight has a randomized winner, unlike most turf wars. I think it should've been placed higher, but I may be biased (Diablos hunt spiked in fun for me after I stopped playing Glaive and switched to CB)
i’ve always had beef with Black Diablos and Savage Jho’s turf war being a copy paste of their normal variants. in lore it’s stated Black Diablos is one of the only monsters that a Deviljho will actively avoid- Savage Jho has gone insane enough where it doesn’t, but i want to see BD showing it WHY the normal ones are so scared. female Diablos in their musth are some of the most dangerous monsters out there besides actual elder dragons, but she just gets neutered by fanfare instead. i want to see her actually kill something. justice for my diva
9:35 brachi doesn’t have a single turf war where he uses slime. This gets a massive L in my book as he’s super unique and cool. And his intro cutscene looks like it could be done as a turfwar
Its funny how world's story and turf wars really did Velkhana horribly and made her seem way worse than she was. Whereas Rise put some serious respect on Velkhana's name, making her seem like an actual heavy hitter, but at the cost of ruining her actual fight
rise turf wars are so much better cause is so much longer i feel cause realistically is monster fighting each other go for the kill well world is really just one move or two and then is over.
I actually think that garangolm and lunagaron’s turf war is actually kinda mid, lunagron is supposed to be this fast and that whats get the upper hand on garangolm. But in the sequence Garanglom literally gets a hold of luna and just slams him into the floor dealing no damage. I also will say While Im not his biggest fan I can understand that magnamalos turf wars are spectacles, I will say his only good flying wyvern/ bird wyvern turf war is with rathalos. As him being on-top of aknasome looks incredibly goofy and honestly makes Aknasome look like the winner as it’s this small bird wyvern thats flying while this large fanged wyvern is on it. And im sorry but bazelgeuse shouldn’t be losing at least to base magnamalo, people will always say that magnamalo wins because it his the explosion resistant armour but they completely forgot that bazelgeuse literally has the same, Also if thats the case then teostra would also lose to him in an instant. I really wanted to have a battle of two volatile monsters blow up but instead bazelgeuse’s own adaptations are completely dismissed to make maganmalo cooler which leaves a real bitter taste in my mouth. In fact after seeing primordial melzeno I actually wouldn’t mind base magnamalo tie with bazel and scorned getting the upper hand over bazelgeuse that to me is better.
Lunagaron grabs onto Garangolm with his jaw and they roll around with Lunagaron ending underneath, it's not necessarily a slam. Keep in mind Bazel doesn't lose because of Magnamalo's hellfire explosions, he loses because Magnamalo slams him into the ground, and his bombs wouldn't be able to hurt him much compared to Jho and Rajang.
@ I suppose I do see where you’re coming from with lunagaron and garangolm. But to me that didn’t look very soft in the slightest when garangolm pinned Luna to the ground with a single fist. And monsters in turf wars have been damaged by far less. I do politely agree to disagree with magnamalo however. Even if you sum up the outcome as magnamalo slamming bazel to the ground which I definitely get, magnamalo still has volatile gas coming out of his body which means while he’s skin is safe but his insides aren’t. Much like when you hit is his glowing part in his fight. This why I think it should be a tie over a line way slant. Also once again I if that is the case I don’t think teosta would stand a chance against magnamalo and yet he gets to do a blast at the end of his turf war with him.
Rise/Sunbreak turf war is the best in my opinion. In exchange of fewer turf war, each turf war that we got feel more unique and show each monster speciality more. Some of my favorite is turf war involving both Malzeno coz it show each Malzeno different speciality and "turf war" between Apex Zinogre and Amatsu coz of my nostalgia. I hope for Wilds we also got something similiar, turf war that show each monster speciality and even better if we can get more turf war than Rise/Sunbreak.
My favorite turf war has to be Magnamalo vs Aknosom. Not because it has a cool animation, since it's just a copy paste of Malo's other Flying Wyvern turf wars. And not because of a deep lore rivalry, since there isn't any. No, my only reason for that being my favorite is that Aknosom's starter difficulty ass only gets one turf war in the whole game and it's against an Elder level monster. He just wakes up and chooses violence when he sees the weeb tiger even if he knows he doesn't have a chance.
Let me try to re-invent each turf war from Mid C to F, plus a few others that could be better (I won’t be doing this for the copy-pastes not repented by the symbols) Jho vs Odo Odo dodges Jho’s initial strike and jumps into his back trying to claw him and stuff but is quickly grabbed and yanked by his tail, Jho proceed to use him as a weapon like he normally does (Same outcome) Glavenus vs Diablos Glav doges Diablos’s initial charge and does spin slice, Diablos charges again into Glav and does the lift and shove, and when he goes in for the kill, Glav sharpens his tail and slices down onto Diablos (Glevnus wins) Glavenus vs Ratha Ratha flame blasts Glav and dodges his slice and grapples him with his talons, Glav shakes him lose and slices him out of mid air (Glavenus wins) Brachy vs Ratha Brachy takes a leap at Rath who doges and attacks with his talons again, Brachy grabs him and slams on the ground, gets some punches in, Ratha tail swipes him off and is exploded by the slime (Brachy wins) Glav vs Odo Glav does a spin as tries to slice Odo, who dodges and jumps onto Glav’s face, Odo is shaken off and is then sliced (Glavenus wins) Zinorge vs Ratha Zin leaps onto and pins Ratha, who than flames blasts him to get away, Ratha grabbles with his talons, but Zinorge does a Thunder blast, causing Ratha to fall to the ground, and tail swipes him after (Zinorge wins) Narga vs Ratha Make it just straight up the same fight from Narga’s iceborne intro but faster paced, and ending with Ratha pinning Narga and flame blasting her (Rathalos wins) Barroth vs Jyra Add a bit at the beginning where Barroth charges into Jyra, beofre Jyra retreating into the water and the turf war progresses as normal (same outcome) Nergi vs Kush Have Nergi rush Kush instead, Kush uses his wind powers to fend off Nergi for a bit, ends with the same pin and toss across (same outcome) Barroth vs Diablo and Anja vs Ratha I got nothing, I don’t think there’s much worng to begin with Zinorge vs Brachy The two of them grapple, Zin does a Thunder blast to fend off Brach and follows with a tail swipe, Brachy charges and punches him a bunch before the slime exploded Zin (Brachy wins) Velk vs Kush The two of them fight in mid air, Velk stabbing her tail, Kush using wind to blow Velk away, before Velk summons her crystals to rain on Kush (Velkhana wins) Teo vs Kush After the mid air clash, they attack with wind and Fire respectively, making the fire tornado and an explosion blows them both back (tie) Gore vs Seregi Make it as fast paced as Velk vs Mal, if not even faster, with back and forth attacks and dodges, eventually leading to Gore over powering Sergi with help form the frenzy (Gore wins) Fulgur vs Narga Fulgur charges Narga who leaps out the way, hits Fulgur with a tail spin, Fulgur tries again but Narga uses her blade wings on Fulgur and fended off with a tail slam (Narga wins) Nergi vs Velk Similar to Velk vs Scorned, Velk dodges as Nergi chases her, Nergi catches up and they grapple in mid air with Velk stabbing him, before distracting Nergi with an ice beam and flying above him to rain down crystals, only for Nergi to power through that, grab onto Velk and slam her into the ground (Nergi wins) Rajang vs Velk Rajnag leaps and Velk who flys out the away and tries to stab Rajang, who grabs her tail and tosses her, Velk recovers and tries to freeze Rajang, who powers though it, gets a punch in before being countered by the crystal rain (Velkhana wins) Magna vs Teo and Kush They do the mid air fight agian, but this time Teo/Kush slam Magna into the ground, Magna shoos them away and charges, only for Teo/Kush do a big blast of fire/wind (Teo/Kush wins) Bonus New Turf Wars: Barioth vs Tigrex Tigrex charges at Barioth who jumps away before they clash like big cats and Tigrex pins Bari. Bari summons a blizzard at Tigrex and tries to run only for Tigrex jump onto Barioth and slams him across ground (Tigrex wins) Brachy vs Glavenus They charge and Brachy blocks Glavenus slash with arm, Glavenus turns around 360 to slash Brachy and knock him over, lunges to and tries biting his neck, Brachy punches thrice onto Glavenus to fend him off and gets in a head slam as he does. Glavenus backs up and they size each other up before Brachy slimes explodes Glavenus (Brachy wins) Jho vs Gargua Adapt the cutscene fight to a proper turf war, slightly edit to include Jho’s dragon breath and Gargua’s fire balls (Garuga wins)
Zinogre’s turf wars kinda disappointing and all his turf wars always start with a front limb attack often miss and he finish with a tail swipe the only turf war where he manages to use his front limb is against Mizutsune and he pins him to the ground
It’s my favorite, but after playing rise, gu, and now world, it definitely has its fair share of flaws. I think all of the monster hunter games I’ve played have very clear flaws but also very clear strengths. World just happens to have my favorite strengths thus far
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Heavy wings when is your next stream? Also do you remember me
@@DarkOptimus2910 Not sure, probably when Wilds has another presentation. My internet is rather unstable which makes streaming difficult. Also I do remember you!
@@HeavyWings Ok now I just gotta figure out the next big amount of wilds news!
Is crazy to see how one of the coolest flagship monster didn't even got no attention: the rocket dragon boy Valstrax
I think it's really hard to design a turf war for him because the obvious question will be "Why doesn't he just divebomb everything?"
This is probably why in the game itself, he does in fact just divebomb everything.
There is also technically a turf war with valstrax and amatsu if we're counting the apex zinogre one.
@@HeavyWings Yeah, rather than give him any turf wars, they did the most reasonable thing given his kit (and especially given how extra insanely aggressive Crimson Glow is compared to a standard Valstrax in terms of ecology), and rather than give him turf wars, they gave him the Ambush.
However, I don't think the ambush should be announced in the same way as a turf war, for obvious reasons. It's a shame that all the fun and surprise gets removed because of it.
Scorned vs Malzeno, Magnamalo vs Velkhana, Velkhana vs Malzeno and Velkhana vs Primalzeno are by far the best turf wars
If there's one thing I learned watching this, it's that Rise/Sunbreak turf wars are PEAK. Primordial vs Velkhana might be my favorite
The animations are super well done, i just wish they weren't so damn sped up and short. RiseBreak has insanely good details that you can barely notice because the game doesn't allow itself a moment to let you appreciate it.
@@Spike2276they were sped up for a reason, in world you had to wait 3 business days for a turf war to finish, it gets really irritating after the 100th time im glad its sped up in risebreak
@@VorpalTiger But they're very infrequent anyway, it's not like World where they seem to happen every quest.
The Sunbreak turf wars being so much better at the cost of more turf wars is interesting. Cause yeah, Sunbreak Tuef Wars rule... but there's so many strange omissions.
Rathalos had both of its rival flying wyverns in Seregios and Astalos added in Sunbreak and neither have a turf war with it. In fact, every returning flagship in Sunbreak only got 1 turf war. Seregios and Gore's single turf war was spent on each other, cool in that they're the MH4 flagships; but Gore has a historical bout with Tigrex while Steve has one with Rathalos, why not have those be their turf wars? Why put Shagaru out of the arena into a proper map and give it no turf wars?
It was almost certainly a budget thing, we even know of a scrapped turf war between Malzeno and Garangolm because there was concept art of it. Hopefully with Wilds there's a better balance of unique turf wars without having so few.
Sunbreak forgoing even the most low-effort recycling for say, Magnamalo vs Seregios/Astalos/Espinas means the devs probably took a lot of Iceborne's criticism to heart and only focused on purely unique turf wars, plus whatever they could recycle from Iceborne (Velkhana's and Rajang's turf wars come back).
Shagaru Magala goes in open maps likely because they didn't want to recreate a whole arena for one monster, the Forlorn arena was already in the works as a general thing anyway. Besides, that one area of the Citadel kind of resembles it.
And you're correct, there was 100% a Malzeno vs Garangolm turf war in the works, there's even neat looking Key Art of it happening, and the concept art being shown on Twitter was actually our first hint that Malzeno could teleport lol.
Probably a budget and workflow thing, it's not a coincidence that Velkhana was a fairly simple port from Iceborne and that update added some of the best turf wars - they had more time to work on them.
I felt sun breaks turf wars did too much damage?
That's Zinogre vs Amatsu it's also a call back to Monster Hunter Portable 3rd where in the intro cutscene Zinogre is seen staring at Amatsu in the sky
Vengeance 13 years in the making.
My favourite is Savage Deviljho and Rajang. Thanks for the video turf wars really help the immersion.
All of the turf wars with Tetranodon have so much character, I love them, especially the one with Goss!
He's such a wonderfully animated monster lol, so much character.
My favorite is Odogron/Vaal hazak since it does a wonderful job of showing both monsters personalities and abilities. With the former showing their speed, aggression, and over-confidence. While the later shows off their sluggish, methodical, and creepiness. It also shows the hierarchy of the rotten vale with the former top dog being humbled by the true ruler of the vale.
6:24 I do agree with this category solely because my friend has a clip of us hunting a Tobi-Kadachi, Deviljho coming in, and us failing the hunt because Debiljho threw Tobi-Kadachi at him, causing him to cart. We only had one cart because it was an investigation.
goss harag just smaking the hell out of tetranodon makes me sad that the monster isnt stronger because i would have love to see him going head to head against rajang, that would have been a hell of a brute force match
Honestly nothing stopping them in a future game. Goss Harag in terms of like, Arzuros-style fanged beasts is probably the strongest.
I love your channel, I love ecology, and I love turf-wars. These all have one amazing thing in common, being monster hunter. I cannot wait for wilds, and I am so excited to see where you and Oceaniz and everyone else go with it!
Thank you! Oceaniz rules so hard dude, no idea how he does so much so quickly but he's incredible.
Some favourite nuances,
-Malzeno is the only monster to have a completely different animation between its two forms for a turf war against the same monster, Velkhana.
-Diablos vs Diablos is currently the only intraspecific (between the same species) turf war
-Glavenus vs Rathalos is the only turf war where the winner completely swaps depending on which zone they fight in.
-Rathalos loses the most turf wars at four animations. Right behind him is Paolumu and Velkhana, both at three.
-Rajang is the only non-elder to explicitly defeat an elder dragon. Inversely, Amatsu is the only elder dragon to explicitly defeat an elder-level.
Rathalos vs Glavenus isn't particularly interesting in animation; but there is a cool feature to it. If you're in a lower elevation of the Ancient Forest, Glavenus looses. It's just the Rath v Anja animation, but I believe its the only instance of a turf war where both opponents have a win con depending on circumstance.
It’s probably the best copy and paste turf war as depending on the location it changes.
It's actually really cool how it has a fully variable outcome, but I decided to judge the turf war based entirely on the unique outcome.
3:30 you forgot the classic Odogarron clip of jumping 100 ft into the sky to grab Lumu.
5:30 that’s a funny looking rathalos
it's such a great fight though it looks oh so odd, didn't know Rathalos Blue was being used though they look very skinny at that.... must of lost weight I guess
I personally think Seregios Vs Gore Magala is rly good, it showcases that gore is inexperienced and just assumes Seregios is downed after he uses his frenzy blasts, Seregios tanks it and counterattacks, i think that's cool!
Hmmm y'know what I quite like that observation! I never considered it before and it's true, he does back off as if the fight is over!
The Rise Sunbreak turf wars were peak, especially with the elder dragons like Kush vs Espinas or Velkhana vs Primordial. 👌
Edit: I think at that point in development, especially with the endgame monsters is when the turf wars were polished out and it makes me excited for the potential turf wars in Wilds
Wilds has pack turf wars too, that's going to be so exciting to see!
@ I know, Arcveld is going to be very interesting to see since he’s already seen doing battle with the apex predators in the cinematic trailers
I agree with the malzeno and velkhana turf war I think it’s the best because it perfectly represents what a turf war between two elders would look like
Honestly, the fact Magnamalo has beef with anything that can remotely fly is hilarious to me.
Bro is pissed because he can only insect glaive flying dash instead of rocket flying like gunlance.
It is crazy to think about how poorly Velkhana got treated for Turf Wars in its own game.
Yeah it just seems like they were focused on 25 other turf wars and were stretched too thin, glad they got to rectify it for Sunbreak.
Savage Jho once showed up, initiated turf war with Ebony Odogaron (it was already in near-death state), proceeded to grab it in it's jaw and smacked the shit out of it against the ground for a good minute, killing it in the end. I love it when Jho shows up. Once had him bully Bazelgeuse twice within 10 minutes (didn't realise a turf war can be done more than once per monster pairing)
2:37 God, I love Odogaron so much, I hope we see it or something similar in Wilds.
Rise/Sunbreak may not look as "good" (although I still prefer it) but they really blew world out with turf wars, even the repeat ones. Have to assume it's an engine thing, but the wierd snap animation lock stuff in world just looks like a joke in comparison. Hopefully wilds will be the best of both worlds.
One thing I do appreciate about the Magnamalo/Elder Dragon turf war is the divebomb is not aimed at you anymore, now it's just aimed behind the non Magnamalo monster's starting position, the same position that they launch in the basic version if you're out of range. It just highlights Magnamalo's sheer dominance over the lesser monsters even better and makes the targeted dive bomb a lot cooler. The reframing does kinda showcase instead of Magnamalos domination over flying wyverns it almost frames it as a desperation to keep up with the elder dragons. It's a really cool reframing of a reused animation and the elder dragon empowering the dive bomb with their own power to beat Magnamalo showcases their durability as elder dragons over Magnamalo.
I dunno I think it's a really cool turf war if you overthink it WAY too much
You know I was pretty deep into Sunbreak before I even saw my first Turf War in Risebreak. I believe it was while farming for a Shagaru Magala set. Due to the Wyvern Riding mechanic triggering very quickly when monsters interact and hit each other causing the special stagger combined with the fact monsters run away shortly after, maybe they just decided it wasn't worth the cost. The way monsters move around the map also means I usually see less repeated interactions between them than in World on the same hunt, even if I am far more likely to see my primary target interact with all additional monsters far more. I wonder if that also fed into the lack of new turf wars in that game.
Rise definitely had troubled development if we base that on how unfinished it launched. I almost wonder if they just never got around to it and decided that slipping them in after the fact would look worse. Alternatively it might have been added late in development as a feature in general. There's a lot of little signs from some of the Japanese discussion that Rise was a deck stacking gambit originally, if World flopped the more traditional Monster Hunter game in the form of Rise would come out and ensure everyone it was just an experiment. World didn't flop and actually did incredible and Rise had to rush to adapt to the insane popularity of the new gen 5 style of game leading to development troubles with the new more open maps and trying to implement more of those features into Rise. There's also some evidence the hardware of the Switch was a huge hinderance for them.
I do think the response to reused turf wars was a bit overblown in Iceborne and mostly a symptom of the lack of new unique turf wars between the more significant and showy monsters and a general lack of turf wars for skeletons that would have had atypical win/loss pairings between each other than a symptom of the reuse. I think it is a far more glaring issue of when there's not a turf war between monsters and they just sort of roar at each other and do a few generic attacks before one of them leaves. Turf Wars being treated as special then making them more generic was far more damaging than if turf wars started generic and the unique ones were special. Having more generic turf wars for all three possible outcomes (win, loss, and tie) between every skeleton pairing as a fall back would help with this. There should still be a effort made to make sure monsters that are highly likely to interact or who have special ecology should have special turf wars and monsters who do use the generic ones should be tuned to trigger far less often to help hide when the fall back is needed. For the average player it won't be that big of an issue as you just won't see every turf war pairing in a casual playthrough and even unique turf wars get tuned out after enough hours. The unique ones would still stick out if plentiful enough and showy enough meaning the generic ones wouldn't stick out as much lessening the issue. People remember the unusual cases more than the generic cases, and it was unusual how many reuses Iceborne suffered from making them stick out and be more easily remembered.
It would also ensure there wouldn't be glaringly silly situations like "Pukei-Pukei didn't have a Turf War until Rajang got added". This also makes future games have more time to focus on unique turf wars and allow for the changing of turf wars to be replaced with unique ones in future entries if the monsters start interacting more frequently. I think a policy of "At least one unique turf war per monster" policy would help. Even if that just meant that you ended up with a few monsters known for having a lot of unique turf wars with others in their area. Would it be that bad if Anjanath was known for having a unique turf war with Great Jagras, Pukei-Pukei, and Rathalos? No, it'd just cement him as being an aggressive and belligerent monster like Odogaron. Would it be that bad if Dodogama was known for only having a unique turf war Uragaan? Not really, Dodogama and Uragaan compete for the same minerals as food. Uragaan would likely end up with the surplus of unique Turf Wars in the Elder's Recess anyways, it moves around a lot so it interacts with other monsters a lot giving it a feel of being a monster that is just constantly getting bullied as it tries to find food. Then you bump into a generic one between Uragaan and Azure Rathalos and it might as well be unique due to how unlikely it is to realize it was a generic reuse that would also happen if Radobaan and Legiana somehow met, something that can only happen with areas like the Guiding Lands.
Literally before I hit send on this I realized something. If there was such a system to ensure no pairings we lacking turf wars you could actually then add an extra layer to hunter knowledge being used in game play. Luring monsters into unique or generic turf wars you know your target will lose.
Something I noticed is that we don't really get turf wars between monsters that use the same skeleton, aside from Elders which chiefly reuse the Kushala structure. The only notable exception is Diablos which fights both Rathian and Black Diablos.
I wonder if there are tecnical restraints behind this or if it was just an odd choice from the dev team, as I think there are some missed chances here (like, none of the brute wyverns fight each other ...)
We do have Zinogre vs Lunagaron. I dunno though, maybe they thought it would be more interesting for opposing skeletons to fight. That's an observation I've not heard before.
@@HeavyWings I thought about that but wasn't sure if they actually used the same rig, with Luna havign a more upright stand and stiffer tail, it seems to have more in common with Magnamalo to me.
@@matteolucarelli4615 generally, monsters in the same category share the same basic rig.
Elders are the only class that is truly anything goes, while Bird and Fanged Beast may depend on how much stretching from the base design are you willing to consider still being "the same rig".
Please keep calling Bezelgeus "Basil goose", it makes me so happy
I feel like the turfwar that frostfang barioth gets with brute wyverns should get some points as even though its recycled like many others, the fact frostfang barioth just yeets banbaro (for example) at the end of the animation will always be funny
Idk why but his voice makes my two last brain cells very calm.
20:44 Primordial Malzeno vs. Velkhana looks so stiff at the start, because that's the idea.
Primordial Malzeno is using its wings like a lance and tower shield.
It maintains a rigid, solid stance to block and counter until it can go in for a proper assault.
This makes me think of the first time I fought Acidic Glavenus in the mission a Tigrex spawned and despite only having one turf war with each other they kept following each other from area to area even when me and my palico weren't there and beating the crap out of each other for about half the mission
I always imagine bazelgeeuse yelling LEEEROYYY as he dive bombs rajang
2:08 yes they can break there horn if you damage it enough before the turf war
Personally I tend to really like turf wars that focus on a prolonged struggle, like with glavenus v. Odogaron or Malzeno v. Velkhana, I can generally get behind this list though, I’m not even someone who likes magnamalo but his turf wars in sunbreak especially are incredible
the only prob i have with the Magna vs flying wyvern turf war is
Barioth ,,,,while yeah is from the pseudos the best flyer
is so out of place when it does this whole thing '
me and my friends literally joked
if magna would have a turfwar with diablos Diablos would also suddenly think it has to fly
but back to magna vs Barioth
i would loved if its more unique
as if barioth trys to hit magna with an icebreath but misses hits the ground with it and creates such an tornado
both barioth and magna get sucked in
barioth used to it takes advantage then magna gets flugn to the groudn and barioth literally "dives" into magna
if the fans still want the magna to win let him blast barioth in the end with hellfire
generally i never was a fan of the thign as its for me jsut ? op ? in turfwars for no reason
you have bazelgeuse who can go toe to toe with an deviljho who can go toe to toe with elders
and magna throws it aroudn as whatever
Barioth does actually fly consistently, it's Tigrex and Nargacuga who don't and thus Magnamalo doesn't actually do the turf war against them.
yeah it does but as an pseudo wyvern its flying style is a lot diffrent and how it used it
it was also seen with giginox in tri/tri u when it was flying ( mostly when changing locals)
but generally the magnamalo turfwars ( not all) are jsut boring
as the flying mosnters is doing the same thing over and over again
instead of giving everyone an quite unique one
i loved in the MH movie ( no not the bad one XD)
the scene where Congalala stood its ground agaisnt deviljho
it looked epic af ,,, and its jsut a Congalala
why cant then agnosome ,tobi or kulu also do some fancy shit
when an Congalala can hold his own agaisnt a deviljho for some time
then an Kulu can def keep up with an Rath
or Agnasome with Magna
jsut make it unique im not saying these weaker guys should win but actually show that they can hold theyr own for at least a bit
5:27 small nitpick but the footage is Devlijho vs Legiana when you're discussing the Deviljho vs Rathalos turf war. Doesn't really matter, but wanted to point it out!
Deviljho vs Rathalos uses identical information. I'd already recorded the audio but I should have used a caption to make it more clear.
19:29 apparently I found out a while ago when I got sandwiched at the end of the turf war, you can apparently get stunned even with level 3 stun resistance after the final clash, which is absurd.
Deviljho taking Diablos to suplex city will forever be my favorite turf war. Right above Rajang and Nergi going toe to toe and Pickle taking a bite out of a pie made in a factory. A bomb factory. It’s a bomb.
The coolest for me was the Jho vs Yian Garuga in the grinding lands!
That little shit pecked Jho's eyes out 😂
The cutscene? Lmao that one ruled, perfect way of showing how insane Yian Garuga is, even Deviljho will eventually back off because Garuga is more trouble than he's worth.
@HeavyWings I guess thats not even a turf war but its so funny. Yian is just a roided up mad man and i love it!
B52 vs Angry pickle is a fave of mine because it shows that Jho might have some competition, its like Bagel evolved to counter Jho, those bombs CAN make the pickle run away.
If Goss Harag beating the absolute shit out of Tetranodon isn't S tier, I'm unsubscribing
Jokes aside looking forward to the video
rajang: SO LONG KING BOWSER *chucks rathalos*
worth noting that deviljho's legs give out under diablos instead of a specifically slamming it down like with other monsters
I wanna share some of my thoughts on turf wars, and what I believe could be a good way to improve them.
Firstly, I believe there are two types of turf wars: Ecology turf wars and Gamebreaking turf wars. Ecology turf wars main purpose is to give monsters personality, as well as showing us how they handle other monsters. It makes monsters feel like living animals, rather than just bosses in a videogame, and this a enjoy. Some examples of this would be: Anjanath's turf wars with Great Jagras and Rathalos; Diablos fighting each other, tetranadon's turf wars with the bears, Tiziti trying to blind a Odogaron, and so on.
Gamebreaking turf wars show how strong a monster is, intentionally or not. These turf wars aren't really good (imo), mainly because they seem quite pointless, and are more designed to do a lot of damage to the losing monster, with no sense of realism or struggle. Deviljho is one of these turf wars, but he gets a pass because he's designed to be an above-average monster. I'd also say Rajang falls into this category, but his fights with elders are questionable. Magnamalo's turf wars, on the other hand, are purely for damage and no ecology. All of his fights are one sided (besides Mal and Vel), and it only shows how cool and powerful Magna is, not to mention how unnatural he is as well, even by elder standards.
I think the first thing to do to turf wars is keeping them realistic (looks at Magna and Akno turf war), as well as making it a struggle for both monsters, excluding a few. Some other things I'd like to see would be more variety, better animations, more same species turf wars, maybe even something like mini turf wars( Monsters would use unique attacks dealing smaller amounts of damage on other monsters consistently rather than one big fight dealing a lot of damage).
Rathalos Vs Glavenus gave me flashbacks to Glavenus MHGeneration intro Cutscene
I like how Magnamalo has such good turf wars
It's kinda funny how all of the monsters in the S+ category appeared in the same tier exactly twice
Should have bumped up Glavenus vs Rathian, it's a reference to the ecology cutscene of Glavenus
Best turf wars are those of Odagaron, and Deviljho/Bazelgeuse. They worked best for me.
Not going to lie, I kinda forgot that Rise has turf wars. Since I would normally ride one and don't think you can do both close together. So this is the first time I'm seeing most of those.
i thought it was gonna be a meme where you put them all in the same tier for a second there
I feel like the reason why the iceborne monsters don’t use their abilities is because they behave exactly how animals would fight in the real world. Teeth, claws, and raw muscle.
Only downside with Rise turfwars is how they immediately remind you you’re playing a video game because they suddenly go superspeed and turn bright colors due to elemental effects 😭
I’m not sure if it’s canon but I saw unnatural history channel’s video on gave us and I remeber he talks about how they use their tails to attract mates and therefore try to avoid using it for combat unless necessary which means that for turf wars it wouldn’t want to risk breaking its tail on another monster.
If i remember correctly in a diablos turf war. It always wins the one with more horns left. If both have the same black diablos always wins.
A small detail i really like.
Incredible video
Thank you!
What happens if the Odogaron vs Tzitzi turf war happens when his head is broken twice and he can't flash anymore?
Unfortunately I don't know.
Nah bro i think you really down playing primordial vs velkhana
Even if the begging feels slow
That aerial combo and how he tosses velkhana like it wss trash to the ground is just so satisfying
one of my favorites is lunagaron vs zinogre all because of the stare down and how similar yet different these monsters are. Personally one of my least favorites is magnamalo vs flying wyverns/teostra and kushala. I don't like it because... physics. There's no way any of these monsters except maybe the elder would still be able to fly while magnamalo is grabbed on to them in the air. Like it looks so silly to see aknosom still in flight while this monster 3 times as big as it is grabbed on to him.
MH kind of plays fast and loose with flight, because realistically there's no way half of these things would be able to fly with their wingspans, Malzeno being a prime culprit. Aknosom is probably the silliest in context of the turf war but none of the others stick out to me.
Poor damn bazel didnt get a non jho turf war in world because "deviljho would be overshadowed". Favoritism at its finest.
I love the video but I can’t ignore 5:30 where you’re talking about Deviljho vs Rathalos but Leviana is in the footage instead of Rathalos. Idk if it was intentional or if this was an error
Not an error, it uses the exact same animations. I should have made that more clear though, it's just that during editing I realised my Jho vs Legiana footage was way better that of Jho vs Rathalos. Throughout the video there's a couple of occasions where I use Sunbreak footage when talking about an Iceborne turf war, it's for the same reason.
@Heavywings makes sense. Thanks for the clarification. Also I’m surprised as to how many turf wars there are in the series when in rise I’ve seen like 2 within almost 100 hours of playtime
I think I prefer turf wars that have unique animations, rather than having animations that can be reused with other monsters with the same skeleton.
I don't mind a bit of recycling here and there, because most Sunbreak players will likely never see that Seregios turf war. But I need the base turf war itself to be good.
Something I didn't know for a while is that the Diablos v Black Diablos fight has a randomized winner, unlike most turf wars.
I think it should've been placed higher, but I may be biased (Diablos hunt spiked in fun for me after I stopped playing Glaive and switched to CB)
I was always thinking. Black diablos then depending on who has more horns left.
Did not know random part.
Horn breaks do matter for sure.
Funny enough the rajang vs bazel turf war is different in rise than world
In wilds, i hope we have a turf war with glavenus and goss harag (if they come back)
1000 degree knife vs sub zero sword
i’ve always had beef with Black Diablos and Savage Jho’s turf war being a copy paste of their normal variants. in lore it’s stated Black Diablos is one of the only monsters that a Deviljho will actively avoid- Savage Jho has gone insane enough where it doesn’t, but i want to see BD showing it WHY the normal ones are so scared. female Diablos in their musth are some of the most dangerous monsters out there besides actual elder dragons, but she just gets neutered by fanfare instead. i want to see her actually kill something. justice for my diva
My favorite turf war is Primordial Malzeno vs Velkhana because of how Prim Malzeno toys with Velkhana
Tbf Primordial gets stabbed briefly haha!
5:08 T Rex vs Triceratops
9:35 brachi doesn’t have a single turf war where he uses slime.
This gets a massive L in my book as he’s super unique and cool.
And his intro cutscene looks like it could be done as a turfwar
HOW DO WE IGNORE THE FACT THAT RAJANG LANDED THE MEANEST UPPERCUT TO NERGI
I DID NOT IGNORE IT
I hope wilds turf wars are as cool as alot of rise/sunbreaks
(not recylced)
I think they will be!
Its funny how world's story and turf wars really did Velkhana horribly and made her seem way worse than she was. Whereas Rise put some serious respect on Velkhana's name, making her seem like an actual heavy hitter, but at the cost of ruining her actual fight
Nergigigante vs Scorned Magnamalo in wilds expension please!!
Damn!! Savage Deviljho can fight Nergingante haha😂. Great fight ,that why Deviljho call Earth Eater
rise turf wars are so much better cause is so much longer i feel cause realistically is monster fighting each other go for the kill well world is really just one move or two and then is over.
I actually think that garangolm and lunagaron’s turf war is actually kinda mid, lunagron is supposed to be this fast and that whats get the upper hand on garangolm. But in the sequence Garanglom literally gets a hold of luna and just slams him into the floor dealing no damage.
I also will say While Im not his biggest fan I can understand that magnamalos turf wars are spectacles, I will say his only good flying wyvern/ bird wyvern turf war is with rathalos. As him being on-top of aknasome looks incredibly goofy and honestly makes Aknasome look like the winner as it’s this small bird wyvern thats flying while this large fanged wyvern is on it. And im sorry but bazelgeuse shouldn’t be losing at least to base magnamalo, people will always say that magnamalo wins because it his the explosion resistant armour but they completely forgot that bazelgeuse literally has the same, Also if thats the case then teostra would also lose to him in an instant. I really wanted to have a battle of two volatile monsters blow up but instead bazelgeuse’s own adaptations are completely dismissed to make maganmalo cooler which leaves a real bitter taste in my mouth. In fact after seeing primordial melzeno I actually wouldn’t mind base magnamalo tie with bazel and scorned getting the upper hand over bazelgeuse that to me is better.
Lunagaron grabs onto Garangolm with his jaw and they roll around with Lunagaron ending underneath, it's not necessarily a slam.
Keep in mind Bazel doesn't lose because of Magnamalo's hellfire explosions, he loses because Magnamalo slams him into the ground, and his bombs wouldn't be able to hurt him much compared to Jho and Rajang.
@ I suppose I do see where you’re coming from with lunagaron and garangolm. But to me that didn’t look very soft in the slightest when garangolm pinned Luna to the ground with a single fist. And monsters in turf wars have been damaged by far less.
I do politely agree to disagree with magnamalo however. Even if you sum up the outcome as magnamalo slamming bazel to the ground which I definitely get, magnamalo still has volatile gas coming out of his body which means while he’s skin is safe but his insides aren’t. Much like when you hit is his glowing part in his fight. This why I think it should be a tie over a line way slant. Also once again I if that is the case I don’t think teosta would stand a chance against magnamalo and yet he gets to do a blast at the end of his turf war with him.
You were talking about deviljho vs rathalos, but showed deviljho vs legiana instead.
Rise/Sunbreak turf war is the best in my opinion. In exchange of fewer turf war, each turf war that we got feel more unique and show each monster speciality more. Some of my favorite is turf war involving both Malzeno coz it show each Malzeno different speciality and "turf war" between Apex Zinogre and Amatsu coz of my nostalgia. I hope for Wilds we also got something similiar, turf war that show each monster speciality and even better if we can get more turf war than Rise/Sunbreak.
My favorite turf war has to be Magnamalo vs Aknosom. Not because it has a cool animation, since it's just a copy paste of Malo's other Flying Wyvern turf wars. And not because of a deep lore rivalry, since there isn't any.
No, my only reason for that being my favorite is that Aknosom's starter difficulty ass only gets one turf war in the whole game and it's against an Elder level monster. He just wakes up and chooses violence when he sees the weeb tiger even if he knows he doesn't have a chance.
Somnacanth
Let me try to re-invent each turf war from Mid C to F, plus a few others that could be better (I won’t be doing this for the copy-pastes not repented by the symbols)
Jho vs Odo
Odo dodges Jho’s initial strike and jumps into his back trying to claw him and stuff but is quickly grabbed and yanked by his tail, Jho proceed to use him as a weapon like he normally does (Same outcome)
Glavenus vs Diablos
Glav doges Diablos’s initial charge and does spin slice, Diablos charges again into Glav and does the lift and shove, and when he goes in for the kill, Glav sharpens his tail and slices down onto Diablos (Glevnus wins)
Glavenus vs Ratha
Ratha flame blasts Glav and dodges his slice and grapples him with his talons, Glav shakes him lose and slices him out of mid air (Glavenus wins)
Brachy vs Ratha
Brachy takes a leap at Rath who doges and attacks with his talons again, Brachy grabs him and slams on the ground, gets some punches in, Ratha tail swipes him off and is exploded by the slime (Brachy wins)
Glav vs Odo
Glav does a spin as tries to slice Odo, who dodges and jumps onto Glav’s face, Odo is shaken off and is then sliced (Glavenus wins)
Zinorge vs Ratha
Zin leaps onto and pins Ratha, who than flames blasts him to get away, Ratha grabbles with his talons, but Zinorge does a Thunder blast, causing Ratha to fall to the ground, and tail swipes him after (Zinorge wins)
Narga vs Ratha
Make it just straight up the same fight from Narga’s iceborne intro but faster paced, and ending with Ratha pinning Narga and flame blasting her (Rathalos wins)
Barroth vs Jyra
Add a bit at the beginning where Barroth charges into Jyra, beofre Jyra retreating into the water and the turf war progresses as normal (same outcome)
Nergi vs Kush
Have Nergi rush Kush instead, Kush uses his wind powers to fend off Nergi for a bit, ends with the same pin and toss across (same outcome)
Barroth vs Diablo and Anja vs Ratha
I got nothing, I don’t think there’s much worng to begin with
Zinorge vs Brachy
The two of them grapple, Zin does a Thunder blast to fend off Brach and follows with a tail swipe, Brachy charges and punches him a bunch before the slime exploded Zin (Brachy wins)
Velk vs Kush
The two of them fight in mid air, Velk stabbing her tail, Kush using wind to blow Velk away, before Velk summons her crystals to rain on Kush (Velkhana wins)
Teo vs Kush
After the mid air clash, they attack with wind and Fire respectively, making the fire tornado and an explosion blows them both back (tie)
Gore vs Seregi
Make it as fast paced as Velk vs Mal, if not even faster, with back and forth attacks and dodges, eventually leading to Gore over powering Sergi with help form the frenzy (Gore wins)
Fulgur vs Narga
Fulgur charges Narga who leaps out the way, hits Fulgur with a tail spin, Fulgur tries again but Narga uses her blade wings on Fulgur and fended off with a tail slam (Narga wins)
Nergi vs Velk
Similar to Velk vs Scorned, Velk dodges as Nergi chases her, Nergi catches up and they grapple in mid air with Velk stabbing him, before distracting Nergi with an ice beam and flying above him to rain down crystals, only for Nergi to power through that, grab onto Velk and slam her into the ground (Nergi wins)
Rajang vs Velk
Rajnag leaps and Velk who flys out the away and tries to stab Rajang, who grabs her tail and tosses her, Velk recovers and tries to freeze Rajang, who powers though it, gets a punch in before being countered by the crystal rain (Velkhana wins)
Magna vs Teo and Kush
They do the mid air fight agian, but this time Teo/Kush slam Magna into the ground, Magna shoos them away and charges, only for Teo/Kush do a big blast of fire/wind (Teo/Kush wins)
Bonus New Turf Wars: Barioth vs Tigrex
Tigrex charges at Barioth who jumps away before they clash like big cats and Tigrex pins Bari. Bari summons a blizzard at Tigrex and tries to run only for Tigrex jump onto Barioth and slams him across ground (Tigrex wins)
Brachy vs Glavenus
They charge and Brachy blocks Glavenus slash with arm, Glavenus turns around 360 to slash Brachy and knock him over, lunges to and tries biting his neck, Brachy punches thrice onto Glavenus to fend him off and gets in a head slam as he does. Glavenus backs up and they size each other up before Brachy slimes explodes Glavenus (Brachy wins)
Jho vs Gargua
Adapt the cutscene fight to a proper turf war, slightly edit to include Jho’s dragon breath and Gargua’s fire balls (Garuga wins)
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bro, it's bazel-juice nothing else is acceptable
Zinogre’s turf wars kinda disappointing and all his turf wars always start with a front limb attack often miss and he finish with a tail swipe the only turf war where he manages to use his front limb is against Mizutsune and he pins him to the ground
That's true but I'm glad he at least gets to charge up in the Lunagaron turf war.
I kinda forgot how amazing Rise Turf Wars were, damn
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Glavenus vs diablos
You wish it was official
MHW is the best MH game ever, not even close
Ah I disagree! But it's still really good and easily better than 99% of videogames.
It’s my favorite, but after playing rise, gu, and now world, it definitely has its fair share of flaws. I think all of the monster hunter games I’ve played have very clear flaws but also very clear strengths. World just happens to have my favorite strengths thus far
Don't Agree with most of the ratings~ but this is your vid... and was still fun to watch!