Do you also have the lapping plate for your Shapton stones? Shapton system looks nice with being able to splash with water rather then having to soak like traditional water stones. Thank you for sharing.
I have a 140grit diamond plate from chef knives to go that I lap with. If you wanted something nicer the Nanohone lapping plates are the best and can be had for similar or better prices than other true lapping plates out there. The splash and go is the way to go for me. I think the shapton pro series represents quality stones at the best prices. Highly recommended!
Shapton 220 and 320 are great stones for heavy material removal like reprofiling, removing chips (or a few passes for a very very dull knife in the beginning of sharpening). I tend to prefer other stones for higher grits due to several reasons. For an aggressive and hard stone I still use 1k sometimes when I need that kind of stone. For above 1k I tend to always prefere something else.
I do like the Shapton Pro 5K but I agree that I tend to go elsewhere for the higher grits like a Chosera 3K. I really really like the Shapton Glass 8K and I think a 3K-5K glass would be super enjoyable.
@@EngineersPerspective701 The glass 1k - 4k are sharpening stones. The 3k and 4k are comparable to the 2k and 3k chosera, which are considered fine sharpeners or touch up stones. The 800 and 1k chosera are the sharpeners, like the 1k and 2k in Shapton. Anyway, I'm a big fan of fine sharpening stones, the 2k and especially 4k Shapton glass is one of if not the best splash and go fine sharpening stone I've seen. The 2k SP is very solid. The 5k and 6k Suehero Cerax stones are superb fine sharpening soakers. Lotta people think something like a 6k cerax must be a finisher, it isn't. It leaves a finish like a 2k-3k shapton/Naniwa but cuts much much more aggressively. The 6k and up in Shapton Glass are polishers/finishers. That's 5k and 10k in Chosera. In SP that's 5k, 8k and 12k. All finishers/polishers. The 320 is a course stone, in Chosera those are the 400 and 600. One of the main things I use stones like the 320 SP or 400 Chosera for is basically like 1k replacement for pain in the ass steels like HAP40 at 65+ rc. Works great. Either are great stones, but the 400 Chosera is legendary in my book. Best course stone on the market, though just keeping it real you can't go wrong with either 320 SP or 500 glass. The lesson here is I have way too many stones. The best finishing/polishing stones imho are the super stones. The 12k super stone is one of the all time greats. If I had to suggest one of each it would be 400 chosera or 500 glass, 1k chosera or 2k SP, 4k SG, and 12k Super stone. A 1k/6k cerax combo off Amazon for like $50, pared with a course diamond plate, and a strop + diamond compound is all 99.9999% of people would ever need tho. You don't have to be mentally ill and spend like 2k on just synthetic stones like me. Then again if you want to know, you gotta pay to find out.
@@jeffhicks8428 “if you want to know, you have to pay to find out” is my freakin motto! You tried the low grit Nanohone stones? I’ve been eyeing up the 400 Chosera for a long time but heard great things about Nanohones low grit range
@@EngineersPerspective701 Nope I haven't tried them. I've heard they are quite similar to the SG, obviously, as I'm sure you know, with some additional polishing is what someone told me. If they're that similar to SG, can't be that bad. SG seems to be love/hate for a lot of folks, if that's the case I'm on the love side. I think they're probably the best "premium home use" splash and go on the market, save for I guess Nanohone, which I've never tried. I find some of the marketing claims around them to be a little bit over the top though. 3 years with microprocessor engineers to come up with a sharpening stone? I mean, what? That's your story Hap? lol, come on. I'm more bummed out I've never gotten to get my hands on the Venev I've been looking at, ideally an 8x3 I think 800/1200. Stuff has been sold out for as long as I've considered it and with current events I'm not sure it's coming back. I have no clue though.
@@David-gld I think about any good quality stone series makes very sharp knives, assuming one knows how to use them. To me it is the style of feedback and preference. I have a collection of 100+ stones from different manufacturers (all common and many not so common) and it makes me picky of what I prefer.
Mostly how pretty of a polish a person wants. If you want a perfect mirror then you have to remove all scratches from the previous grit before moving on. From my experience the scratch pattern your eye sees does not affect performance very much or at all if you’ve properly apexed and flipped the burr with each grit.
@Engineer’s Perspective Thank you. I always thought a more polished looking edge (before I started learning about apexing through your videos) had more of a bite and was sharper
@@kabes1776 It can be but no guarantee. typically a very polished, shiny edge will have very little to no bite but are very sharp. meaning they can whittle a hair but can't cut a tomato. This is because sharpeners will overpolish their apex and/or round it off trying to get that perfect mirror
@@EngineersPerspective701 I've never had a problem with tomato with a polished edge, even if it is polished to say 12k, stopped with pastes and finally with leather. There is the tiny "bite" difference but to me it is not that important like sometimes people make it sound.
bro thats a 700 grit stone. the coarsest medium aka sharpening stone in that line. its not going to polish anything. it's meant to be fast and create usable edges. the 5k is the finishing stone.
Do you also have the lapping plate for your Shapton stones? Shapton system looks nice with being able to splash with water rather then having to soak like traditional water stones. Thank you for sharing.
I have a 140grit diamond plate from chef knives to go that I lap with. If you wanted something nicer the Nanohone lapping plates are the best and can be had for similar or better prices than other true lapping plates out there.
The splash and go is the way to go for me. I think the shapton pro series represents quality stones at the best prices. Highly recommended!
Shapton 220 and 320 are great stones for heavy material removal like reprofiling, removing chips (or a few passes for a very very dull knife in the beginning of sharpening). I tend to prefer other stones for higher grits due to several reasons. For an aggressive and hard stone I still use 1k sometimes when I need that kind of stone. For above 1k I tend to always prefere something else.
I do like the Shapton Pro 5K but I agree that I tend to go elsewhere for the higher grits like a Chosera 3K. I really really like the Shapton Glass 8K and I think a 3K-5K glass would be super enjoyable.
@@EngineersPerspective701 The glass 1k - 4k are sharpening stones. The 3k and 4k are comparable to the 2k and 3k chosera, which are considered fine sharpeners or touch up stones. The 800 and 1k chosera are the sharpeners, like the 1k and 2k in Shapton. Anyway, I'm a big fan of fine sharpening stones, the 2k and especially 4k Shapton glass is one of if not the best splash and go fine sharpening stone I've seen. The 2k SP is very solid. The 5k and 6k Suehero Cerax stones are superb fine sharpening soakers. Lotta people think something like a 6k cerax must be a finisher, it isn't. It leaves a finish like a 2k-3k shapton/Naniwa but cuts much much more aggressively. The 6k and up in Shapton Glass are polishers/finishers. That's 5k and 10k in Chosera. In SP that's 5k, 8k and 12k. All finishers/polishers. The 320 is a course stone, in Chosera those are the 400 and 600. One of the main things I use stones like the 320 SP or 400 Chosera for is basically like 1k replacement for pain in the ass steels like HAP40 at 65+ rc. Works great. Either are great stones, but the 400 Chosera is legendary in my book. Best course stone on the market, though just keeping it real you can't go wrong with either 320 SP or 500 glass. The lesson here is I have way too many stones. The best finishing/polishing stones imho are the super stones. The 12k super stone is one of the all time greats. If I had to suggest one of each it would be 400 chosera or 500 glass, 1k chosera or 2k SP, 4k SG, and 12k Super stone. A 1k/6k cerax combo off Amazon for like $50, pared with a course diamond plate, and a strop + diamond compound is all 99.9999% of people would ever need tho. You don't have to be mentally ill and spend like 2k on just synthetic stones like me. Then again if you want to know, you gotta pay to find out.
@@jeffhicks8428 “if you want to know, you have to pay to find out” is my freakin motto!
You tried the low grit Nanohone stones? I’ve been eyeing up the 400 Chosera for a long time but heard great things about Nanohones low grit range
@@EngineersPerspective701 Nope I haven't tried them. I've heard they are quite similar to the SG, obviously, as I'm sure you know, with some additional polishing is what someone told me. If they're that similar to SG, can't be that bad. SG seems to be love/hate for a lot of folks, if that's the case I'm on the love side. I think they're probably the best "premium home use" splash and go on the market, save for I guess Nanohone, which I've never tried. I find some of the marketing claims around them to be a little bit over the top though. 3 years with microprocessor engineers to come up with a sharpening stone? I mean, what? That's your story Hap? lol, come on. I'm more bummed out I've never gotten to get my hands on the Venev I've been looking at, ideally an 8x3 I think 800/1200. Stuff has been sold out for as long as I've considered it and with current events I'm not sure it's coming back. I have no clue though.
@@David-gld I think about any good quality stone series makes very sharp knives, assuming one knows how to use them.
To me it is the style of feedback and preference. I have a collection of 100+ stones from different manufacturers (all common and many not so common) and it makes me picky of what I prefer.
I dont get it. How do you use scratch patterns when sharpening? Your other videos dont mention scratch patterns
Mostly how pretty of a polish a person wants. If you want a perfect mirror then you have to remove all scratches from the previous grit before moving on.
From my experience the scratch pattern your eye sees does not affect performance very much or at all if you’ve properly apexed and flipped the burr with each grit.
@Engineer’s Perspective Thank you. I always thought a more polished looking edge (before I started learning about apexing through your videos) had more of a bite and was sharper
@@kabes1776 It can be but no guarantee. typically a very polished, shiny edge will have very little to no bite but are very sharp. meaning they can whittle a hair but can't cut a tomato. This is because sharpeners will overpolish their apex and/or round it off trying to get that perfect mirror
@@EngineersPerspective701 I've never had a problem with tomato with a polished edge, even if it is polished to say 12k, stopped with pastes and finally with leather.
There is the tiny "bite" difference but to me it is not that important like sometimes people make it sound.
bro thats a 700 grit stone. the coarsest medium aka sharpening stone in that line. its not going to polish anything. it's meant to be fast and create usable edges. the 5k is the finishing stone.
Not sure where you’re going with this. Don’t recall but I thought I mentioned that Shapton likes to overstate their grit ratings in the Pro line.