Why was Ireland Neutral in WW2?
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♦Sources :
Hennessey, Thomas. Dividing Ireland: World War One and Partition. London: Routledge, 1998.
O’Halpin, Eunan. Spying on Ireland: British Intelligence and Irish Neutrality during the Second World War. Oxford ; New York: Oxford University Press, 2008.
Wood, Ian S. Britain, Ireland and the Second World War. Societies at War. Edinburgh: Edinburgh
University Press, 2010.
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Good video. Could you please do Swizterland in world war 2? Thanks.
Luxembourgish Empire no that has been done too much
@@uncanadien3272 It hasn't been done on this channel yet so
Luxembourgish Empire but it has on just about every other channel so everyone has already watched videos about it
Would you consider doing a video about why Imperial Japan didn't attack the Soviet Union during operation Barbarossa?
As an Irish person, seeing so many factual inaccuracies and mistakes in this video makes me question how accurate this channel's other videos are in relation to other countries i don't know as much about.
Stormblessed88 mistakes such as ...
@@C0wb0yBebop mistake such as make mention British occupation starting in 1801! Mistake such as lying about nationalisme rise during 2nd half of XX century!
I'm not Irish, i'm not British. I'm french. I'd spend 6 monts in Ireland for a training period.
I worked on Irish history and the sum up is here so bad that we could consider this is lies!
The Brits offered you Northern Ireland in exchange...but as usual, you wished the Germans would win.
@@williamf.7655 British occupation was earlier than 1801, however, the Act of Union was passed in that year to add Ireland to the United Kingdom and unifying them as a singular country. This was following the 1798 rebellion. In the later half of the 19th century, there was a rise in nationalism, for example the formation of the GAA. I'm not saying he didnt make mistakes, just simply pointing out that these aren't the ones you mentioned.
Yes, I had the same reaction to articles about the UK in Time and Newsweek magazines long ago, or the British newspapers on things I already knew about (by study, work or living there). How accurate would they be on topics their readers knew nothing about?
A lot of stuff on RUclips is at the level of projects by keen school children: there's no guarantee that they haven't got some key point completely wrong.
The civil war wasn't between the Irish and British. It was pro and anti treaty forces at war, the treaty that of the independence of Ireland with 26 counties.
Robert McDonnell tf? pro-treaty wasnt pro british forces u fool. it was pro free state which unfortunately had to give up northern ireland
It would be correct to call them "pro British" in the sense that they were fighting for Irish independence as a dominion by accepting the treaty. It is misleading I agree, as both wanted full independence. The free state was called "the wayward dominion" for a reason.
@@robertmcdonnell3117 Who were the pro British forces? The fucking IRA? don't comment on issues you clearly don't have a clue about
@@robertmcdonnell3117 The pro-treaty forces were not pro British. They were wary of the strength of the pro-British unionists in the six majority unionist counties of Ulster and feared the unionists had the numbers, military training and weaponry to hold the six counties and ethnically cleanse them of their nationalist minority. They and the British both drew the conclusion it was better to give the unionists what they wanted, the right to take the six counties out of the free state. The belief was that a boundary commission would eventually redraw the boundaries in such a way as to make Northern Ireland economically unworkable within a generation. More importantly, in the short term, it was felt the nationalist minority in Northern Ireland would be safer, even if that minority would feel betrayed by the deal. The anti-treaty group felt they had the strength to suppress the northern unionists and bring them to heel. The pro-treaty forces received British assistance in the form of hardware. In truth, the pro-treaty stance was probably the right one but was undermined when the expected boundary changes were leaked and suggested large parts of the free state would be given to Northern Ireland rather than the expected other way around. WWII then intervened to further strengthen Northern Ireland's position for another generation. The eventual economic collapse would probably have happened in the 1970s but political events overtook Northern Ireland before then and there was no prospect of United Ireland while the troubles continued to 1998. Ironically the closest prospect of a United Ireland has come through the largely Unionist backed support of Brexit, which triggered a border crisis. Irish reunification this century has always depended on the affluent aspiring middle class of Northern Ireland and before Brexit, the polls suggested affluent nationalists would put economic stability over patriotic ambition and vote to stay in the UK if a vote were put forward. Since Brexit, the polls now suggest a swing in the opposite direction with many affluent unionists feeling that they would place the economic stability of the EU over pro-British patriotic belief. Were the polls to be tested and proved right, the main unionist party's support of Brexit would go down as one of the greatest political misjudgments of Irish history.
@@robertmcdonnell3117 incorrect. They both disliked the British
Lots of inaccuracies and omissions.
1. De Valera was American born, which is why he wasn't shot after the 1916 rising.
2. The Irish war of independence was fought mainly in what is now the Republic of Ireland.
3. BOTH Germany and Britain wanted to occupy Ireland during WW2 as it was seen as the soft underbelly to Britain.
4. Ireland didn't have the numbers of naval ships or aircraft you suggest.
5. The Royal Navy wasn't protecting Ireland from Germany, it was protecting its own coastline and attempts to get in through a back door.
6. De Valera's response to Churchill was regarding a single nation standing alone against foreign aggression. De Valera reminded him that that is what the Irish people had been doing for centuries (Vs. Britain). I am not a fan of Dev but he got that speech spot on.
7...I could go on but it's late and I am tired...
PLEASE research topics properly before you post 'Historical' videos on here.
Well said. So innacurate!
Absolutley! I was laughing at the ridiculous pronunciation of Irish terms...this guy pretends to know what he's saying, but his presentation is riddled with inaccuracies and shitty pronunciation of Irish terms.
I don’t understand Americans trying to give history lessons on Great Britain and Ireland? You guys hardly know anything about your own countries history 😂😂
@@canzukcommonwealth7309 You have us confused with someone that gives a shit about what you "don't understand."
Chris OLeary sorry was anyone being rude to you? What a proper tosser
I feel sorry for the animator, who clearly put a lot of work in. Because the researcher definitely didn't.
The civil war was fought over accepting the treaty or not...fuck all about support for the commenwealth.
@Andrew Mitchell The Irish Civil War had hotspots all over, not just Dublin and Belfast.
The Civil War was NOT fought between Loyalists and Republicans as stated, but between two factions of the Old IRA.
One being pro-Anglo Irish Peace Treaty and the other being anti-treaty who wanted to continue the war until full independance was achieved for the whole island.
The pro-treaty side were not "pro-British", just aware that continuation of a full independance strategy was not achievable militarily while a large Loyalist population in the North wanted to remain in the UK.
All a bit different to what is stated in the video.
@@karl_thwub the pro treaty used British guns to kill irishmen. An unfortunate fact
@@johnny545 They used whatever damn guns the could get their hands on Johnny. it was brutal, as all civil wars are.
Even before all that, he didn't even mention the 1916 which was big part of why home rule was never reached
1: The IRA had nothing to do withe the easter rising as they didn't yet exist.
2: the war was not mostly focused on Dublin and Belfast. Dublin and Munster would be more accurate.
3: The civil war was about the path of allegiance and weather the treaty was a betrayal of the Republic.
4: Irish Free State, not Free Irish State.
5: The Naval Service didn't exist until 1946.
was #4 really needed?
Kieran Fitzgerald 3:42 he said Irish free state idiot
@@efthymiosanagnostos7427 that's not the question asked and stop being rude and calling other people idiots without being able to understand a simple question.
And also the mispronunciation of Fianna Fáil - but those fuckers deserve it
@@morbidsearch It's 2020. Get on with your life.
I'm American, and even *I* know that this video was riddled with inaccuracies (okay, American with some Irish ancestry). The most basic - The Irish Civil War wasn't between pro-British and pro-Independence forces, it was between those who accepted the British peace (Ulster remains in the UK) and those who rejected it, wanting *all* of Ireland free.
Wanting all of Ireland...... not ''wanting all of Ireland free'' 🤦🏻♂️
wouldn't be very 'free' for the Unionists if Northern Ireland were absorbed, would it? 🤷🏻♂️
6/9 of Ulster not all of it.
There are just... So many mistakes in this
Top 5 please?
@@flyentity The biggest one is probably stating that the Irish War of Independence took place mostly in Dublin and Belfast (Tom Barry is spinning in his grave somewhere). Also, saying the pro-Treaty side during the Civil War were pro-British is stretching it quite a bit.
His pronunciation of the names was painful too.
Not to mention forgetting to mention the hundreds of years of context before with constant invasions, Cromwell, brutal responses to revolution, 1798, the Irish Famine. Or that Germany had assisted Ireland during the war of independence - so to say Irish motivations were mixed was putting it mildly. Or that Churchill tried to brutally put down the 1919 revolution with the notorious Black-and-Tans.
@@kellyfj think most Irish had no great time for either side as the saw both as imperialist ..
However many Irish did feel the Germans were a real threat by 1940 ..
The very fact that the Irish government had officers from the RAF in the Midlands looking at sites for RAF bases in the early 40s in case mainland uk had been invaded shows the Irish government viewed the Germans as a dangerous threat
To say that one side in the civil war was “pro British” is misleading. The War of Independence was really about a disagreement over how far the treaty went. While the British still gave some artillery to the Pro Treaty forces, their leaders still wanted Ireland completely independent. “In my opinion it gives us freedom, not the ultimate freedom that all nations desire … but the freedom to achieve it.” - Michael Collins
I scrolled down to find this comment. It's not only misleading, it's just wrong. I doubt anyone could describe Michael Collins and the lads as 'pro-British'.
@@WillayG Michael Collins is the farthest you can get from "Pro-British"
@@Jackpat02rules Yea pretty much. Some hardcore Dev supporting republicans might have said otherwise but they'd be the only ones.
@Luís Filipe Andrade Collins knew they wouldn't get a Republic so he cooperated as he saw the treaty as a stepping stone to a republic, something he could use to one day achieve one. He wasn't Pro-British but just worked with them to get a republic
>making a peace deal with an enemy means that you are "pro-enemy"
Thats soke stupid logic right there
Short answer:
Britain: Do you want the chance to fight in a destructive war alongside your former imperial overlords?
Ireland: I let this one go.
But the true answer is that many Irish men did fight for Britain, despite the official neutrality.
@@johnbrereton5229 Yeah around 10-20,000 men.
@@yourlocalramen1660
No, despite the Irish government claiming they were neutral, even the British estimated around 42,000 had joined. However, more recent studies have shown it was more like 70,000 and that's from a population of less than 3million. Also many crossed the border and signed up in Northern Ireland so their could be even more.
Here is a 2015 study by Steven O'Connor :
journals.openedition.org/etudesirlandaises/4451?lang=en
@@johnbrereton5229 Oh, cool. I didn't know it was that many.
@Liam Farrell
No, Liam wrong on both counts, the majority were patriots who wanted to fight a racist dictatorship, and so joined their kith and kin in the only country fighting them, Great Britain.
Ireland wasn't in the United Kingdom so not bound by UK choices. That said, many Irish were not neutral. About 70,000 Irish fought with the British Armed Forces during the War along with about 70000 Northern Irish.
Brian Fuller Technically Ireland was still a monarchy during WWII and thus its neutrality is somewhat confusing. The references to the monarchy had been removed from the constitution by the government still recognized some of George VI’s authority. It’s confusing to say the least.
Free Ireland siding with England would be like Palestine fighting for Israel or Tibet fighting for China.
It was revealed a few years back that the ROI had a secret 'blacklist ' on Irishmen that had fought with the British. They were treated like scum. This shows their sick hatred, which we can see now is devouring the Republic and destroying them.
John Smith I meant like the legal aspect of it all, regardless of personal ill will. I mean France fought tens of wars with Britain and look at them now.
@@chunkybuster7203 Almost 70,000 Irish from the Free State fought in British and Commonwealth forces during the war, of that number around 5000 had deserted from the Free state army,these were the only ones "blacklisted" . The others were free to return home and get on with their lives and many did just that.
Title: Why was Ireland neutral in WW2
*Laughs in HoI4*
Why did Ireland invite a German invasion force and annex Northern Ireland?
Edward VIII takes it back
@J S The enemy of my enemy is my friend
@@markhenley3097 wrong war, the German invasion force was asked for to support the Easter Rising during WW1 when the whole country was under British occupation.
@@strawdog9964
although the IRA did collaborate heavily with the Nazis...
Having merged with Britain in 1801? Kinda like how how Poland merged with Germany in 1939...
Although neutral, Irish men, like my father and uncles, chose to serve through British forces.
As did my Grandfather and his brothers
@I'm Right not even close.
Mine were nationalist. They had to leave Ireland to Puerto Rico.
BemusedBarfly No my grandparents had to leave Ireland To Puerto Rico😂
big mistake
This video is unfortunately inaccurate. There are a number of points, but one of the most noticeable is your discussion of the civil war. A few other comments have expanded on that, so I need not, but please get your facts right as that civil war was between two different pro-independence groups, and was about the creation of Northern Ireland - the setting of the Troubles and continued tensions today, so it's fairly relevant. Please get your facts right.
Why don't you make a video yourself and set things straight.
@@opinionday0079 How about the guy making videos, putting obnoxious sponsor reels at the start and making money off this stuff do a better fucking job? You're not immune to criticism by virtue of making a video, and this attitude you have is why youtube is flooded with frankly mediocre commentary channels.
@@davidslade3612 Dead Right
@@davidslade3612 Atleast the maker of the video thanked the people who told him of his mistakes. You can see it by hearts.
@Luís Filipe Andrade Michael Collins was the leader of the pro-treaty side and had spent le previous years leading the IRA and organising a bloody war against british occupying forces in Ireland. Are you saying that Michael Collins was pro-British?
If you ever come to Ireland on your holidays I won't go around saying that if I were you.
As an Irish man I've heard lots of Irish history from school, but I must say the researcher didn't do a good job not happy about that. No issues towards the narrator
2:59
Correction, the 1916 Rising was carried out by the Irish Republican Brotherhood and the Volunteers. The IRA wasn't formed until a year later
And it would be wrong to call the Regulars "Pro British". They didn't want to remain part of the British Empire - they feared British invasion if they didn't agree to their terms
Thanks for your correction!
Luís Filipe Andrade not really. Pro treaty weren’t necessarily happy with the treaty but felt it was the best Ireland were going to get at the time and planned to use it as a stepping stone towards full independence. Calling them Pro-British is inaccurate seeing as they were previous revolutionaries and were led by Michael Collins
same members!
Luís Filipe Andrade: wrong
@@Knowledgia not all irish people were neutral people went over to fight them with the English, I have a medal to prove it your facts are very inaccurate.
As someone from Northern Ireland, the errors and historical inaccuracies make me doubt the rest of the videos on this channel. #doyourresearch
Belfast^^ but boy am i glad the ROI rejected the offer of Unification. there is about a 40% chance i just triggered you with saying that. but yes he should do his research, this video gave me ebola
TRIGGER !!!!!
@@vladimirkovacevic4415 it was a reasoned explanation. Slav.
When you order the best animator on fiverr but the cheapest researcher.
Welcome to another episode of: Questions you've never asked before but you now want to know
Hahaha true, another one is "why didn't the allies declared war on the Sovjet-Union when it invaded Poland?"
Dutch Empire think that one was already answered.
I didnt know McGregor didnt want to fight during WW2
Well said
Virtually everything you said about the civil war and war of independence was wrong
If the Irish had a military that could help out against the Germans, they would of already been at war with the British. That being said plenty of Irish Catholics joined the British army in WW2. My grandpa and his sister both joined the British army. Really worked out for Ilene his sister whom became literate and ultimately a nurse!
Irish catholics that joined the British army in ww2 is sadly not well documented simply because after running home to Ireland after the war these brave people were badly treated at home only in resent years its coming more recognised well deserving for the service in defeating Germany in ww2
@@EdmundBlack-q2hIrish people who joined the British army during WW2 were not treated badly when they returned home. Men who deserted the Irish army to join the British army were barred from applying for state jobs on their return home and proper order to. They should have been put in military prison.
@briancarton1804 total nonsense it only in the last few years that the Irish government could bring its self to recognise the contribution to the brave Irish people how fought against Nazi Germany in ww2
@@EdmundBlack-q2h Where are you from? I'm Irish living in Ireland and I have full knowledge of what happened. Like I said it was only those who deserted the Irish army that were prohibited from state jobs. Anyone who joined the British army without deserting the Irish army their position was not affected.
If any Irishman deserted the British army and came back to Ireland in WW2 or indeed any time and returned to Britain he would have been arrested and put in military prison. That is exactly what should have happened to deserters from the Irish army but the Irish government was soft and just barred them from state jobs.
I knew both categories of men. One who left Ireland and joined the British army and fought in France and was evacuated at Dunkirk became a high ranking civil servant. Another man I knew who joined the British army who fought in North Africa and Italy also got a state job. I knew others who deserted and not only could they not get state jobs but found it difficult to get employment in general. Two of them went to live in Britain and spent the rest of their lives their.
You are the one talking nonsense and rubbish. Get your facts straight. Deserters should have been imprisoned. No apology should have been given.
Really want to know where you are from.
@briancarton1804 I come from Ireland as well and my grandfather left Ireland in 1940 to join the British army came home in 1946 couldn't get a house or a job anywhere in ireland went back to England he was carpenter before the war and not a deserter in anyway what so ever so enough of this nonsense
Churchill wasn’t the ‘ruler’ of Britain. Irish nationalism pre dates the union of 1801. Script is weird and whoever wrote it isn’t as good an English speaker as they think they are. Really very poor
Probably Arabic as his first language, considering who populates UK/Europe these days.
I really like your videos but this is embarrassing. I can understand mispronouncing certain aspects of Irish but Jesus Christ this is so historically inaccurate, especially what you mentioned about the civil war.
Two minutes and I’m just shaking my head... you need an entire series to cover this topic going WAY back
Not really, not every post about ireland's history has to cover literally all of Irelands history
simplistic and flawed. Civil war in Ireland was not about support for a British position and Churchill's offer of the North was a fraud. Ireland had just come out of an Economic war with Britain that left the South in a very poor state and all political views in the South supported Neutrality.
@Luís Filipe Andrade By your argument Churchill was pro German when he presented Operation Unthinkable
@Luís Filipe Andrade The Irish Civil War was after the War of Independence. What the difference between Ireland availing of British help during the Civil War and the British availing of German help in a propose battle against the Soviets?
@Luís Filipe Andrade The British and Germans were far from allies when operation Unthinkable was discussed. Just as it would be repugnant to many British to accept assistance from the Germans, accepting assistance from the British to fight their own people would equally be repugnant to the vast majority of Free Staters. They were left with little option. To describe the Free Staters as pro British would not be correct.
@Luís Filipe Andrade Wrong. The Free State did what the Dail wanted them to do. Defend their decision. The Free State also had the blessing from the Irish population in the 1922 General Election. The Free State continued having the support in the first election after the Civil War in 1923.
@Luís Filipe Andrade Is that the same De Valera who banned the IRA and had it's members hung during the Emergency. Is that the same De Valera who ,with his cronies, formed Fianna Fail and reentered the same Dail.
All members who voted on the treaty in the Dail recognised that Dail.
Did he pronounce “Irish Air Corps” as “Irish Air Corpse”?
Geek To Me yes he did 😂
I heard that too lol
Yep
Didn't do a very good job on the pronunciation of Dail Eireann
I doubt it's a real person reading this. It's probably a text-to-speech program.
3:30 not pro British, they were pro ‘free state’ as a steppingstone to full independence as happened in 1949
Ireland didn't merge with Great Britain. Ireland was brutally taken over and its people subjugated. It's just a bit different. Your wording suggests it was voluntary.
The Irish were always raiding and plotting against the English for Centuries, eventually Ireland was was invaded by Cromwell because the Irish were planning with other roman catholic countries to invade England and turn England back to catholocism, thats the truth.
@@pjmoseley243 Completely wrong, Ireland was invaded by Cromwell because the Irish rebels sided with English royalists in the hopes that the king would grant them rights and lands in their own country back. Cromwell was a puritan and completely set against the monarchy and catholicism so he used exaggerated rebel massacres of british planters as an excuse to subjugate and brutalise the Irish. Ireland never conspired to invade England and the Irish raiders who attacked Britain were just individual parties who owed allegiance to nobody, not armies sent by a state force.
@@pjmoseley243 man thats completely wrong
@@user-ys5yv2nz6w You're both right but missing gaps. It's true that at various points Ireland worked with or allied against the British.e.g. the royalists or more threateningly, the French.
And some of that has to do with Catholic alliances. But then going much further back there are just territorial expansions just after the Viking invasions.
So there's a longer history before then that gives them reasons to work against Britain/England .
@@wanderer10k anyway its all hundreds of years in the past. No need to make the population of today pay for the sins of the Ancestors. We have to live in the here and now. neither of us can change the past. Mindfulness is whats needed now.
A lot of inaccuracies here. Ireland was on the verge of civil war in 1914 and a muddled understanding of the war of independence and Irish Civil War of the early 1920s.
There are a few inaccuracies in this video; (I don't care about pronunciation, he's not Irish it's ok)
Ireland was ruled by England before 1801. The Act of Union 1801 was to formally unite the 4 nations of England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland. Before that, it was just Great Britain and it's overseas territories.
The Civil War was fought between anti-treaty and pro-treaty forces, not anti-british and pro-british forces. Both forces wanted Ireland to be independent. The anti-treaty forces wanted the whole island of Ireland to be an independent Republic (which the governments under David Lloyd George in Westminster and James Craig in Belfast denied) the pro-treaty forces agreed with the British to put the majority of Ireland as a semi-independent state with the Crown as it's representative. Big difference... the pro-treaty forces wanted to limit the violence and attain an irish Republic by diplomatic means instead of violence.
(I know it's ironic my account is Éamon De Valera, lmao)
The Irish Free State (Saorstát Éireann) was indeed in favour of the Allies during the war, however, the Free State wanted to secure an international image of independence from the British by declaring and stubbornly supporting neutrality. Éamon De valera himself responded to the offer of a united Ireland with the agreement that British troops wouldn't be allowed in the Free State, but Americans would be able to use the treaty ports (France obviously gone by this point)
Please don't berate others in the comments for these misunderstandings. It is a very touchy subject even in 2020. (Once again ironic coming from a man with Éamon de valera as his profile picture lmaooo)
Great Britain ruled Ireland not England between 1707 and 1801
@@jimcoppin2467 Maybe nominally or defacto part of Great Britain. It was a separate realm like Jersey and Guernsey are.
Thanks for the comment on pronounciation. Many Irish ignore/fprget that as a non-latin language it's very hard to read the words and get the pronounciation right. Most of the Irish words I know I can't read but have learned to say.
Just a question as you seem neutral. The 1801 union. That parliament. Was is made up of real Irish politcians or just former British land owners who now lived there/were born there? Just interested to see if that Irish parliament was at all properly representative.
Ireland was “neutral” but huge numbers, including my Grand Dad, served in the British army in WW2
Exactly, so did mine.
Peter Glover thank you for helping us 🇬🇧🏴🏴🏴🇨🇮 respect to your grandfather mines was also in the army but he was stationed in Ireland to fight the IRA , in Germany also and in the falklands war
And ancestors of your country helped us Brazilians, the americans and britishes to free Italy from that bastard Mussolini, also did the Irish-Americans, thanks Eire. Neither King Vito Emmanuele could take this psycho anymore. That Hitler bootlicker.
So Your grandfather was a criminal. IT was Not allowed to join a other army. If You are a member of a neutral country.
Andy Schlager my grandads from Scotland and so am I he was fighting a terrorist group in Ireland
I got to 5:31 and I'm packing it in. Mispronunciations and factual inaccuracies are going through my brain like knives.
Enough Irish men had been died as cannon fodder in British wars - sitting this one out made sense, although something like 70,000 still signed up, for the money
Human nature... loyalty only goes as far as ones thinking of his/her self and loved ones current and future well being matter first, the mess ups north and west seem to never end...tribal pissing contests.
@@josephhhickman7085 There was nothing loyal or noble in destroying Germany and allowing the USSR to enslave half of Europe
Similarly, WWI was also a total nightmare and waste of time had nothing noble about it
The sooner we stop celebrating these wars and see them for what they were the better
Aussies and irish used by the british empire! how Ironic
This video badly misrepresented what the civil war was about.
The war of independence was not fought in Belfast.
The pronunciation of Dáil Éireann was atrocious!
The Irish naval Service in WW2 had nowhere close to 50 ships!
My guess is that he mixed them up with convoys and small boats.
Gavin Seery “Dawl Eyereen” 🤣
FrogChip “Come on Dawl Eyereen, I swear I won’t lean”
There’s so many errors in this that are already listed below. Do you know what a casualty is? It can be either a fatality or someone who’s wounded. How do you not know how to pronounce corps? Donegal is also pronounced Don-e-gal.
Pronounciation can be forgiven if someone is not native english speaking. But idk if he is native english or not.
@@BeneluxMapper no, you can easily find pronunciation of western words, names and places. As for not being sure if he's a native English speaker????? Can't you hear his obvious American accent? Your sloppy defence of this sloppy work is just....... sloppy. The video is sponsored by curiousity stream FFS.
Earl Johnson The way he pronounced Dal Èireann is even worse “Dawl Eyereen” 7:59
Ummm, it is Dun - e - gaul - said quickly Earl....
@@vdotme Fuck off
I feel terrible for the Pro-Treaty forces who've just been slandered as pro-British
as a famous musician once said "Never Mind The Bollox"
Why no mention of De Valera and Hyde's expressions of condolence to Germany on the loss of its leader in May 1945?
With hindsight, it's hard to see what Ireland could have done differently other than remain neutral. They didn't have the military or economic strength to fight and anything they could have provided wouldn't have made any real difference. If Ireland had joined, Germany would have leveled Irish cities. As De Valera beleived, small states suffer in big states wars.
Nonsense, they were cowards plain and simple. Happy to let the rest of Europe burn and millions be exterminated whilst they sheltered on their rock. All to avoid having to fight with the British. Cowards.
'Lets advertise a documentary on Churchill while explaining Irish neutrality' 'Great Idea, the Irish love Churchill'
Still waiting to hear from those "experts" who can tell me why Spain, Portugal, Switzerland and Sweden were all neutral in WWII. Why is the question always posed about Ireland, usually by people who know little or nothing about the long turbulent history between England and Ireland. Just in case the Irish ever got the idea of militarily siding with Britain in WWII, the Nazis bombed Dublin one time to let them know what was in store if they ever decided to change their minds on neutrality, DeValera got the picture immediately. However, tens of thousands (my own dad among them) crossed over to Britain and their numbers not only served in Britain's armed forces, but staffed the war time factories and kept the railroads running. (Some interpretation of neutrality, that). After eight decades most Irish are still waiting for a "Thank you" from Britain, instead of the usual minority comments of anti Irish hostility. How in God's name did Britain expect the Irish to throw their lot in with Britain in WWII, after being subjected to over six hundred years of occupation and exploitation. It's mind-boggling really. In 1939 even the USA was suspicious of British intrigues and stayed neutral (but like the Irish gave abundant assistance behind he scenes to the British.
Why on earth should anybody "thank" an immigrant worker for doing the work he was paid to do?
Your dad did not work on the British railways out of support for the UK against the NAZI's he came over because he could get a better paid job than working in Ireland.
Tell me John if history had worked in the other direction and Ireland not England (later the UK) had become a powerful Nation you think a powerful Ireland would have treated the UK any better than we treated you?
Their were many US citizens of German stock whose loyalties still lay with their "homeland" and many American's who wanted nothing to do with other peoples wars they only saw the light after Pearl harbour and Hitlers mad declaration of war against the USA.
If Hitler had not done that it is quietly likely the world would be a totally different one today.
There are plenty of videos on why Spain was neutral, way more than Ireland if you bother to search as there was infinitely more pressure on Franco to join the war.
As for anti Irish hostility - really? You guys hate the British I get it, but boy, it's really, really one way. This isn't the 50s, this isn't the peak of IRA activity in the 70s...chill!
Pretty sure they didn't expect the Irish to throw their lot in as you say, they had enough people they could take from their colonies. And I'm pretty sure they didn't get a thank you because they were officially neutral, noone was exactly giving a thank you to Sweden, facist Spain, Saudi Arabia and Switzerland were they? I'm pretty sure noone thanked eachother diplomatically, because even the victors of world war 2 could look out at their bombed windows and a destroyed country and think they had it as bad at Germany and Italy. Most English, Welsh, Scottish, Indian, Canadian, Australian, etc, etc didn't get a thank you either. Don't get me wrong some people wanted Ireland to join in say, the parliament, but I don't think many people wanted Ireland to join
Two reasons one was Ireland did not have the military or industry to engage in any war .
Second reason many Irish had suffered at the hands of the British army only 20 years before so it wasn't so much that they supported Nazis in fact there was no more evidence of support for Hitler in Ireland than in the UK ..
Should also be remembered that between 70 and 100 thousand Irish men and women from the south served with the British in ww2
About 2 cases who served with the Germans
I wouldn’t say most Irish are waiting for a thank you from Britain, only the ones who helped in the war effort.
A large portion of the Irish population were pro-German and those who left Ireland to fight the axis were treated like dirt when they returned home.
The men like your father deserve a lot of praise for what they did though. It sucks that the country wasn’t more tolerant toward them.
Many, MANY Irishmen fought for the British in both world wars. I have nothing but respect for each and every one of them!
Ammmm Cork played the most part in the war of independence actually it saw the most action out of the other counties .... mistake no.1 from this channel
Cork Cavalry let's go
Your forgetting Tipperary, home to one of the most feared IRA commanders, SEAN TREACY
Get in loser! We're invading the internet.
@@belmordok3661 The IRA we have now is very different to the IRA then, the IRA now has nothing to do with Tipperary so stfu, and England is far worse than the IRA. What do you expect from terrorists? For them to sit down and talk politics instead of killing civillians. Oh no no no, you see, thats what the English government should be doing but instead they don’t sit down and talk politcs and instead kill so much civilans and they do not give a shit about those they kill. They cause the failed state known as Northen Ireland it will be reunited with the Republic. When this happens, England will give noting for what they’ve done to NI so Ireland will go broke because the money that we will need to change and mantain Northen Ireland. So tell me what you have to say about the matter because I’d say you don’t know what to say, the link you made between the then and now(now as in troubles to present) is stupid, I may not know a lot about war, but I know a lot about my county so leave me the alone.
@@felimdeegan1935 wtf mate? You obv know NOTHING about NI. For starters, we've paid our pensions to UK so it will be them that pays for it. Likewise our NHS. You think they'll get away scott free when we reunite? Doubt it.
The video asks a question but doesn't answer it very well.
Ireland was neutral like Belgium, the Netherlands, the USSR, USA etc. Those other countries ceased to be neutral when they were attacked. Ireland was not attacked, therefore Ireland stayed neutral. That's all!
The rest of the story, including some stray German bombers over Ireland, attacks on Irish merchant ships by various belligerents, etc., was merely the "fog of war". The status of the two official languages of Ireland, English and Irish and English was never an issue. (The video might have improved its credibility if the speaker had learned how to pronounce "Dáil Éireann".) Once Germany foolishly declared war on the USA the Irish Government adapted quickly to the probability that America would prevail.
The political phenomenon of the "Unionist Veto" in all Anglo-Irish affairs contributed to the "fog of war". Winston Churchill's father had a major role in establishing this veto: "playing the Orange card". And it was obvious to Mr De Valera that Churchill was playing the same Orange card by offering talks about Irish unity which the Unionists would assuredly veto, like they always do. Mr De Valera refused to play ball and the "Unionist Veto" remained a non-issue throughout WW2.
I recommend:
'Spies in Ireland' by Enno Sefan
'British Intelligence and Irish Neutrality' by Eunan O'Halpin
Excellent post.
Correction, para. 2, 2nd sentence:
-Two languages in Ireland have official status, and the status of English was never an issue.
Also, for an idea of Irish neutrality in practice, I recommend:
1. The Chieftain's Hatch - Stinky and the Emergency
forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/forum/256-the-chieftains-hatch/
2. Chieftain Talks: Irish Military Equipment
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Just one suggestion. RUclips, if you try to insert one blank line, has a tendency to add a carriage return and give you two. If you right click on the three vertical dots to the right of your first line - you get the opportunity to edit it - and delete one of those two lines.
I just hate that. (See how I got two blank lines instead of just one here? I didn't delete any to illustrate my point). Stupid RUclips Editor ... Of course there's worse ...
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@@BobSmith-dk8nw Thank you.
@@ciarandoyle4349 No sweat.
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We were technically neutral but very Ally leaning. British soldiers that crash landed in Ireland were treated and sent home. German soldiers were imprisoned. We sent fire brigade to Northern Ireland after the Nazi bombing which led Hitler to write a letter to De Valera threatening him with war. Lastly, many thousands of Irish men fought for the British as Ireland was a third world country at the time and they saw it as a way of getting money to their families at home.
Cowards the lot of you. Unwilling to face evil because the Germans would use bombed you. Happy to let the rest of Europe burn and millions be exterminated, as if Hitler would have stopped at Britain and left you alone. Cowards.
Simple answer before you watch the video.. its because ireland is a friendly peaceful nation.. not to be confused with weak.. just peaceful
The word 'corps' is pronounced core, as in an apple core, not corpse as in a dead body.
I was stunned to hear that, at 10:12 .
As an Irish person, The amount of mistakes made and glossings over in this video is astonishing
everyone makes mistakes...
@@spartanmapping333 everyone has those days...
@@natedavis7159 everyone knows what I’m talking about....
A truly dreadful interpretation of this period in Irish history. Factually incorrect, with events taken out of context, - even the pronunciation of the names and locations and historical figures are wrong - this isn't history, just Knowledgia's own deeply flawed version of Ireland's neutrality in WW2.
The way how he said fina fail was painful
Adam The way you spelt it was also painful .
@@thomastully9002 I don't have fadas on my keyboard
@@nilk1100 True buts it's spelt Fianna Fáil
Adam do alt gr + *letter*
The way you spelled it, was worse.
3:42 this is completely wrong. Did you do any actual research on this topic or just skipped everything to make a video?
Even the opening line hints at those many factors underpinning the matter. Ireland being the only “English-speaking country” to not fight with the Allies being indicative of the cultural erasure of the Irish language
But he's not wrong
Haven’t really reversed that cultural erasure of your language in the last 9 decades since independence 😂😂
It was and is an "English-speaking country".
@@thomas_hobbs1453 Imagine calling India and english speaking nation, it sounds stupid
Exactly :/
You made a good video in a difficult country to get right in terms of history. Here’s a few things that must be corrected, though:
1. Ireland’s nationalist movement was not a part of the rising tide of nationalism in Europe. Ireland had been nationalist since before the English even arrived, see: The Gael vs the Foreigners Saga. Home Rule was sought for since the 1870s, and both Irish Catholics and Irish Protestants had sought similar measures since the last Irish chieftains were exiled in the 17th century. Even the Orange Order had opposed the Act of Union, and Irish people were never really ‘British subjects’ as a result. Only in name. The 1937 constitution removed any references to foreign kings from Irish laws, meaning it was a Republic in theory in the 26 counties. The only Republican movement influenced by Europe was the United Irishmen in the 1798 Rebellion, which was inspired by French and American Republican wars of independence.
2. The IRA campaign came to a head when the British government outlawed Dáil Éireann, an independent Irish government democratically elected by the vast majority of the island in 1918. The IRA were this government’s army and defended the Irish nation when the British outlawed all democratic means.
3. The main violence was not just in Dublin and Belfast, but nationwide. Cork saw the most intense fighting, see: British Burning of Cork. Dublin was the centre of the IRA’s intelligence war with British secret agents.
4. The Free State army was pro-Treaty, but hardly pro-British in terms of its leadership in 1922. Michael Collins, Arthur Griffith, WT Cosgrave and others were very nationalist and very Republican. Look up the army’s leader, Richard Mulcahy, and tell me if he was pro-British! However, they did fight Republicans, hence the brilliant song ‘Take it Down from the Mast’.
I think it would be better to say that the IRA are more terrorist than a army. They use methods more akin to Islamic state than any army especially during the troubles
You should really edit this video man, this is like some kind of alternative history of Ireland. This bears very little resemblance to any kind of accepted history of Ireland
As a native Irishman, I agree.
To start with the Germans never committed Genocide against the Irish.
That was my first thought.
Incorrect information been spouted by this amadan.
bruh i just wanna know where you obtained this information because the amount of inaccuracies for a seemingly educational video are criminal, do you not feel obligated to get information from multiple unbiased sources?
You got your facts wrong- over 280,000 Irish ☘️ men fought for England in WW2 including my grandfather and so many of my relations 🇮🇪 and over 130,000 WW1 not to mention over 300,0000 for the US in all wars.
20,000 horses 🐎 from Ireland were used in world war 1 from Ireland and countless other sources.
Three minutes in and he already has his facts wrong: Ireland did not “merge” with UK in 1801, union was forced upon it. The Anglo-Irish War was mostly fought in smaller towns and villages, not Dublin and Belfast. And Ireland was partitioned in 1920, not 1921.
I think merge with Britain is the euphemistic way of saying it.
As an Irish person , all I can say is that the first few minutes were frustratingly inaccurate and I gave up
The Civil War was not fought between nationalists and unionists, it was fought between nationalists in favour of the anglo-irish treaty (pro-treaty) and those against it (anti-treaty). Anti-treaty nationalists did not want to be a 26 county dominion of the united kingdom (Irish Free State) but instead wanted a 32 county independent state. Pro-treaty nationalists viewed the dominion status and partition of ireland as a stepping stone to an ideal independent state. The contrasting views led to extreme violence between nationalists.
Didn't Poland want to "stay" neutral" but Germany didn't give them a choice?
'A public-private contradiction emerges when the two Ireland’s respective roles in the Second World War are considered . Eire’s stance was often criticised in public by UK and US politicians, but in private its ‘contribution’ was tacitly, though rarely warmly, acknowledged. By contrast, Northern Ireland’s war effort was publicly praised on all sides ...yet in private, in report after report, there was much criticism of Northern Irelands lacklustre response to the needs of the UK war economy.' (Thomas Bartlett, Ireland: A History, p 457)
James Henderson no they shouldn’t, stop being a kek
Many men from ROI joined the armed forces and battled against Germany. Many died in doing so. Those brave men have been airbrushed here!
You really need someone to proofread these scripts man. The grammar is really poor.
Has the air of Google translate to it ;)
Written by not English native speaker. Many passages have words expected by English omitted.
This has been a trend with his videos so far unfortunately. And it must be really jarring for the narrator to read out these scripts because he sounds like he's a native speaker.
@@hazzmati Literally any native speaker with 20 spare minutes could improve the thing.
@@don_sorensen_santa_barbara A proofreader could fix that...
You could have mentioned the 1000s of Irishmen who joined the British Army. A Brit
Yeah but that would go against the narrative of Irish neutrality and sovereignty lmao
@Gggg I am British and an old man - I have always known of the Irish volunteers that joined the British Army - I think all my generation knew. I also know they were not welcomed back to Ireland as heros.
@@colincomber8027 With the greatest of respect Colin the vast majority of returnees were welcomed home. The problem only affected roughly 5000 returnees. These were castigated not for joining the British army but for deserting the Irish army to join the British army at a time when an invasion of Ireland by Germany or even Britain was possible.
How would Churchill have reacted had 5000 soldiers deserted the British army during it's time of need?
Gggg bro i have nothing against Ireland and respect your help during WW2 but the IRA 🖕 nasty creatures
@Gggg
*"well the Irish where always hated in Britain "*
That's simply not true. The only reason there was anti-Irish sentiment was following the Great Famine there were waves of immigrants flooding to the UK, and many people of the time had the exact same reaction to this that idiots have to current immigration. Anti-Irish sentiment went away again after that, until the IRA started bombing innocent civilians in the late 20th Century.
The British rather like the Irish. We just wish you would stop accusing us of things we didn't do.
This is sooo incorrect, when I first watched the video I believed it since I really didn’t know anything on this topic, after more research from other sources, I finally got to know the actual history behind Irish neutrality in ww2
Some things are even pronounced incorrectly.
"It's hard not to be curious about what made Ireland the one and only english-speaking country to not have fought alongside the United Kingdom during World War 2"
Maybe because the Irish hated the British, they weren't ever friendly to Britain.
if the irish hated the british then please explain why 70,000 Irish people risked their lives to fight in the British armed forces.
@Gggg well first the Irish DID colonise Britain (or more precisely Scotland) in around 400AD. (Scottish Gaelic originated from Ireland and the name "Scotland" comes from Scotti, an Irish tribe which colonised modern day Scotland.)
secondly, just because the english and scots weren't friendly towards the Irish doesn't immediately mean the Irish were friendly to the english and scots. why do you think there were so many anglo-irish wars? it wasn't always the english and the scots who started them.
Really ? What could possibly have caused them to hold such views ? Come on ....you can do this . Work it out.
UK/England never kept their promise.
That is what they did in the last thousand years...
You need to go back a bit in history , it was not the "english" that invaded Ireland , it was the Normans who after successfully invading England decided Ireland was next on their shopping list . although after a few hundred years the Normans were probably calling themselves English and in effect became the ruling class for the next thousand years .
From 20 June 1940 to 22 June 1941 the British and the Empire keep the promise to fight fascists. The only force that decided to combat fascism and stayed in the conflict to the end. At the expense eof its economy and manpower.
@@stephenclark9917on what price? It was still exploiting colonies! Causing famine in Bengal 1943. Sacrificing people of the colonies as cannon fire!
England wasn't the "good guy" against the "bad guy"! Learn your own history. For instance concentration camps against civilians was first used by the British in the Second Boer war. English for a thousand years always fought selfish wars, exploited "inferior" cultures for their resource and kept them poor.
Hack even after WW2 you were still cling on your colonial empire. Although England promised Independence during WW2, it didn't keep it was usual. And when you finally left, you just left a mess behind recklessly. India-Pakistan-Bangladesh, Israel - Palestine, etc.
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BTW during WW1 England promised independence for Ireland, which they didn't kept and Ireland had to fight for their freedom.
Oh and have you heard about Irish Famine and how did the English help them?
Many citizens of the Irish Republic chose to fight Nazism during WW2. One notable name is Brendan "Paddy" Finucane, who flew with the RAF and saw action many times, shooting down a number of German aircraft. Paddy was once asked why did he take part in WW2 when he could have remained neutral. He replied to the effect that he just loved a "good scrap". Sadly he did not survive the war, crashing into the English Channel.
The civil war was about the treaty and not about weather people wanted to stay in the UK or not. Very misleading
I was happy to correct it earlier but now its starting to annoy me to see it still up uncorrected 😂
Like it's not just a simple mix up of a date or whatever its literally the most important part of it all.
Not true the IRA and sinn féin where unable to continue fighting against the British empire and when the statue of Westminster was passed we could make our own laws
Statue of Westminster was passed in 1931 and allowed the Irish government to make a new constitution in 1937. In likelyhood we would not be able to stay neutral in WW2 like other commonwealth countries
Obviously it wasn't about weather.
@@simonh6371 no it's not but there is a lot factually wrong with this video
Look at how they treated those who stood up and fought the NAZIs after the war .
Those who were stuck on the List were persecuted for decades.
News to my dad who enlisted in the RAF 1943 - 47 as a civilian volunteer and then held a state job for 20 years.
My great grandfather was too old to fight (pushing 60). But he went to england to work in factories to help build tanks. No shame was much attached to his return as far as I was told.
I Had an uncle kidnapped while working in England and thrown onto the D-day landing. Our family was never told what happened to him until a year after the war, so do fuck off.
My grandad moved from Kinsale, nr Cork to join the RAF during World War II.
He would never say why, but he never went back to Ireland afterwards.
Many of his colleges would later kill Irish people..
Simple answer, they hated the British more than the Germans. It comes from their sense of victimised that collectively they still have. They should remember that it wasn't the British people that exploited them, it was the British ruling class that equally exploited the working people of Britain., and still are. Many Irish defied the government and fought along the Allied forces, but they were ostocised when they went back home. Many were denied their right to an Irish pension later in life. If Germany had won the war I wonder how the SS and Gestapo would have dealt with the IRA.
@@paulroberts7561 I wonder why they hated the british
Was always a joke in my "mixed race" family (Irish and Swedes). "The Peace loving Irish...and the Cowardly Swedes!"
Irish neutrality is often misunderstood. Ireland was a very pro-Allied neutral in practice that strove to maintain a strictly neutral image. In an age without weather satellites and with wind blowing west to east from the North Atlantic, Ireland readily provided crucial weather intel to Britain, but never to Germany. Irish weather intel made D-Day, which bore major weather risks, a success. Ireland readily repatriated Allied servicemen and allowed limited Allied overflights, but did neither for Germany. Ireland also sent emergency aid, including fire brigades, to Belfast while and after Hitler bombed it, which shocked Hitler, who didn't understand Ireland and who idiotically believed that bombing Belfast would make him a hero in Dublin rather than offending everyone in Ireland and Northern Ireland. Thousands of Irishmen were pre-independence British World War 1 veterans who never would have sided with Germany, and some volunteered to fight for Britain in World War 2. While the free Irish people were happy not to be involved in the war and this is not to assert that Britain was loved in Ireland, it was clear to Ireland's people which side was the right side and only an outcast segment of Ireland's opinion wanted Ireland to assist Germany in any way.
I'm not sure that Ireland could be considered to be pro-Allied evidenced by the treatment of Irish men who returned to Ireland having volunteered to fight the Nazi's. They were for the most part persecuted for joing the British against the Germans.
@@markchisholm2657 Well for example. Officially the policy was to intern Allied and Axis soldiers who ended up in Ireland. In practice the Allied ones were often allowed escape, even to the point of being transported to the border. There was also intelligence sharing between Ireland and the UK, and Irish military intelligence broke German codes. Also weather reports were secretly passed to the Allies, while in public they were banned to avoid helping either side. www.rte.ie/culture/2017/1020/913994-documentary-on-one-richard-hayes-nazi-codebreaker/#:~:text=Richard%20Hayes.,during%20the%20Second%20World%20War.
Probably got nothing to do with the fact that the Irish army is smaller than the average American brain
Ireland's attitude to neutrality was similar to that of the USA which only joined in the war after it was attacked by Japan and Germany declared war on America. Both the US and Ireland were 'neutral', but on the side of the British throughout the war.
the USA was not even remotely neutral, it was purely in the business of making money while watching a Superpower( British empire ) deplete its economy military industiral capacity and manpower. there is a reason the US got so powerful in the middle to late 20th century and ww2 is the reason
@@thetechoasis2179 In the end, the Irish were not remotely neutral either. They were effectively non-belligerent allies of the British.
Taint ABird They should have damn right been on the side of the English. If your Irish I know we did your country dirty and I’m truly sorry about that but if joining us even though we was doing bad things at the time to others, meant defeating a greater evil why would their be any hesitation
@@cratarata2278 Well, a large part of the Irish population remembered Crown Forces committing atrocities against civilians in Ireland during the Irish War of Independence, and the entire government had fought against the British just few years before. The border was also an issue - the British imposed it on Ireland against the democratic will of the majority. When the war broke out it was just another war between the great powers and the Irish had already positioned themselves to stay out of it. The will of the people was to stay neutral, though most were at least mildly sympathetic to the British. The full evils of the Nazi's only became apparent towards the end of the war. The best the Irish government could do was to assist the British where they could provided it could be kept secret from the Irish population and the Nazis.
Taint ABird yes I know we committed atrocities but so did the Irish maybe not as much but they still did. And no I’m not saying that justifies what the UK did I’m just saying that there is always two sides, and yes I know that the Irish did all they possibly could to help the British while in the situation they were in and I am truly grateful. I was just pointing out that if it was really necessary I think that Ireland would mostly join the allies and declare war on the axis.
There was loads of Irish who served under the British army fighting against the Germans, Ireland didn't have the resources or capabilities to declare war on the Nazis
Nearly all were Irish Protestants. There was very few Irish Catholics to fight with Britian.
Yes it did. Together with the United Kingdom and the British Empire it would have. Ireland's economy, manpower and existing army could have bolstered the defense of the British Isle's. It shouldnt have let Britain bare the brunt of the fighting for the freedom of Europe. If Britain fell Ireland would have been fucked.
@@VenomousSpyro Try this - www.independent.ie/lifestyle/the-forgotten-irish-who-fought-in-ww2-28895112.html - now go out and start '...bringing in the sheaves."
Not an excuse at all.
@@bradley6357 Ireland was already fucked back then, and was for many years to come that's without the Republic been bombed to oblivion by the Nazis , I still make the case that many Irish soldiers fought in the British army, and no they weren't just protestant, many Catholic family's did too
Ireland returned RAF pilots to The UK while German pilots were POWs.
Internees were allowed to leave interment camp. RAF pilots eloped to N Ireland. German pilots didn’t have that option
There was no firm offer of a United Ireland..indeed even if there was the British have no qualms about breaking treaties and agreements. The only real threat of invasion was from Britain which Churchill reiterated in 1945 in a British radio broadcast against De Valera and the Irish people.
*ALLAH O' AKBAR*
This video is so full of factual inaccuracies to attempt to list! Why don’t you do a documentary on what most people view as the war crimes of Churchill?
and add Mountbatten and General Haig into the mix
I believe the main reason is they remembered how the British treated them for hundreds of years. Who the fuck would want to fight with somebody that treated him that bad
Knowledgia would need to read up on the history of the Civil War in Ireland from 1922 until 1926. The first statement regarding the origin of the war is completely misleading, which makes the whole video suspect. Also, the trade war started before the new constitution. So many other facts misrepresented by sloppy reporting.
That Mr. Churchill should be irritated when our neutrality stood in the way of what he thought he vitally needed, I understand, but that he or any thinking person in Britain or elsewhere should fail to see the reason for our neutrality, I find it hard to conceive.
I would like to put a hypothetical question-it is a question I have put to many Englishmen since the last war. Suppose Germany had won the war, had invaded and occupied England, and that after a long lapse of time and many bitter struggles, she was finally brought to acquiesce in admitting England's right to freedom, and let England go, but not the whole of England, all but, let us say, the six southern counties.
These six southern counties, those, let us suppose, commanding the entrance to the narrow seas, Germany had singled out and insisted on holding herself with a view to weakening England as a whole, and maintaining the securing of her own communications through the Straits of Dover.
Let us suppose further, that after all this had happened, Germany was engaged in a great war in which she could show that she was on the side of freedom of a number of small nations, would Mr. Churchill as an Englishman who believed that his own nation had as good a right to freedom as any other, not freedom for a part merely, but freedom for the whole--would he, whilst Germany still maintained the partition of his country and occupied six counties of it, would he lead this partitioned England to join with Germany in a crusade? I do not think Mr. Churchill would.
Would he think the people of partitioned England an object of shame if they stood neutral in such circumstances? I do not think Mr. Churchill would.
Mr. Churchill is proud of Britain's stand alone, after France had fallen and before America entered the War.
Could he not find in his heart the generosity to acknowledge that there is a small nation that stood alone not for one year or two, but for several hundred years against aggression; that endured spoliations, famines, massacres in endless succession; that was clubbed many times into insensibility, but that each time on returning consciousness took up the fight anew; a small nation that could never be got to accept defeat and has never surrendered her soul?
Thank you for De Valéra's reply to Churchill.........a masterful speech that put Churchill and the brits in their place.
Excuses, excuses. The reality is Ireland was a traitor at a time of need and selfishly protected her own interests while almost all of the rest of the free world fought valantly against the axis powers and their tyrannical actions.
Shame on Ireland for sitting on the sidelines drinking Guinness while Hitler and his henchmen destroyed hundreds of millions of lives.
@@kimsmith3982 take your sanctimonious ignorance and stick it where the sun don't shine.
Ireland didn't and couldn't commit treason because
1) the Irish Free State government had abolished the oath of allegiance in 1937. You can't commit treason if you never swore allegiance in the first place.
2) no articles in dominion status commited any member to belligerent status upon UK declaring war with another nation.
The ends justifies the means.
Ireland didn't get invaded.
Ireland didn't get tricked into provided cannon fodder as it did in 1914
Ireland cemeteries didn't grow.
Have a good cry about it son if it upsets you. Ireland is no longer England's bitch.
@@kimsmith3982
Your reality is...
The facts are, everything the Nazis done during the war was done to a greater or lesser extent over a prolonged period of time by G.B. to Ireland
So the reality is from irelands perspective GB was part of an axis. And none of the states you refer rushed to her Aide...
Independently many men from irekand fought for England and America during the war and continue to do so .
You confuse politics with humanity.
The politics was conflicted, the men were not, they populated the ranks of the army & Navy.
Mongomery was an irishman , both my great grandfathers were wounded in action and decorated for it.
So the facts are your understanding, simplified & ignorant comment says more about you than anyone else.
But thank you for your attempt at understanding .
@@kimsmith3982 How was Ireland 'a traitor'? Please explain.
11K from the 6 Northern Ireland counties fought for the UK, but 33K from southern Ireland (then a dominion state) joined the UK military to fight Hitler. A German pilot or sailor that landed in Southern Ireland was interned for the duration of the war while a member of the UK (pilot or sailor) was interned for a day and would "escape" to the north the next day.
Southern Ireland ceased to exist in 1922.
When the enemy of my enemy is my enemy too="WE BEST BE NEUTRAL-YOU AND HIM FIGHT "
the people who made this,need a history lesson...
The German Ambassador before the war was no friend to Hitler and had good personal relations with the Irish government. The best thing in Ireland's interests was to stay absolutely neutral. The Irish government even sent a note of condolence to the German government on the death of Hitler. Soon after the end of the war Ireland declared itself to be a Republic.
Read the book ‘that neutral island’ it wasn’t neutral behind the scenes
ah there it is lad - notice his 'meme' none other than 'the Red Hand Of Ulster'... a paramilitary anti-catholic cabal of goons from Ulster.
@@rusoviettovarich9221 Fuck up taig lmao
True it helped the axis
@Luís Filipe Andrade Lol britain was a democracy whilst Germany, Soviet Union, Italy, Spain, etc were all dictatorships. Don't skip school
J S also the internment of known ira pro German.
To say the least you brushed over some of the most important aspects of why Ireland stayed neutral in ww2, also it may be of aid to ask someone how to pronounce Gaelic words and names.
Just to point out for future, the Isle of Man featured on your map has never been part of the United Kingdom nor the EU. It is a self governed island with the oldest running parliament in the world.
Ireland was neutral, and had every right to be, but Irish soldiers still overwhelmingly fought in the British army, provided intel for the British, etc. Any airman who crash landed on Irish soil was interred but the Irish guardsman would say to Allied pilots "well, you didn't hear this from me, but, after you finish working on the farm at 17.00hrs this evening, you can walk up that road for so many miles and turn right at the cross roads you will see the border to Northern Ireland..." Hmm...neutral...
Well what he means is "officially neutral". Like how the US was before pearl harbour but sold us weapons. I believe the deal was that if Germany threaten Ireland with invasion then Ireland would allow Britain back to fend off the Germans. Would have been interesting to see how the local population would have felt about that. Would they fight the British or join forces to defeat the invaders. Could have mended some of the burned bridges over independence.
"Ireland merged with the united kingdom" is a strange way to put brutal conquest and genocide
The treaty of Union happened like centuries after the genocides though.
@@Warsie 1. Still a conquest. This "treaty" was devastating for ireland.
2. It happened after some genocides and 44 years before another genocide and that doesn't tale into account the countless slaughters in between.
Brits hate learning about their own evil history but all the information is available. They just prefer to live in blissful patriotic ignorance like a nation of Nigel Farages
The Irish civil war was between the pro treaty and anti treaty factions. It wasn't between those who wanted to remain a part of Britain and those against it. Those against the treaty were against it because it gave up the north, and the country would be split. They all wanted to leave the union, but those against it wanted to fight for better terms.
As an Irish person, I have to say this is very poorly researched, as many other commenters pointed out as well.
Belgium also stayed neutral and look what happened to them lol.
As an irish american ... I'm so proud that my ancestors never accepted british rule ...
It was the smart thing to do. Just a few years after the war of independence, with lingering anti British sentiment. It was still a poor, undeveloped, rural nation with no budget to waste. And yet, plenty of individual Irish volunteers were free to serve in the British military and did so. Neutrality was the win-win option, IMO.
@@ArcaniusMapping perhaps they could sense the inherent evil in Hitler's scheme. And perhaps they were desperate for work and had close ties to Britain having been the same country for a century. And perhaps many Irish were not in the independence camp.
@@ArcaniusMapping Because the Germans were thugs. The Irish don't like thugs, be they British or German.
Wow being knowing Irish and knowing a little bit about my country has allowed to me know that I should never return to this channel to learn anything. Also soooooo many butchered pronunciations 😂😂
Awww is wittle baby offended?
@@kingstarscream320 aww aren't you an eejit
@@kingstarscream320 the truth triggers the irish
This is innacurate
@@oliverwortley3822 What exactly was truthful in this that triggered people. America would support Ireland before Britain jsyk
Churchill nor the British Government trusted Dublin. When France was invaded the UK placed 10,000 troops on the border, not to stop a German invasion, that was never going to happen, the Germans would not have been able to land their troops, the Royal Navy would have seen to that. The troops were there to ensure Dublin did not give port facilities to the Germans, particularly for their submarines, British Forces would have would have invaded. In 1969 when the British army was once again deployed to the North owing to serious rIoting the first combat units did not go into the cities they went to the border. Just in case the Irish army tried to cross over into the North. When Hitler killed himself the Irish Government sent the German embassy in Dublin a note expressing sorrow for their loss..
Didn't the British Government send condolences when Joseph Stalin died?
@@karl_thwub Stalin was a nasty piece of work who should have been dealt with in the 1930's, his army committed heinous crimes condoned by Stalin ("let the boys have s little fun") however nothing compares to Hitler. As for condolences when Stalin died in 1953 I would have to check HMSO.
You conveniently left out the part where Dé Valera (Not the Irish Government for starters. De Valera alone) also gave his Sympathies to America when Roosevelt died