Can we just appreciate Thomas acting as a side of himself who is acting as another side of himself while talking to three more sides and one whole of himself whom he acts as also. Now that, is acting.
At that moment, Virgil was aware that Patton was possibly Deceit, so that wasn’t what Virgil really thinks about him, it’s what he thinks about Deceit.
I mean, he knew from the start - early on when Logan was impressed by "Patton" because he referenced philosophers, Virgil said "impressed isn't the word I'd use..."
*_22:24_**_- I love how Virgil actually laughs when Patton makes jokes sometimes. Its like a little kid in their edgy phase when their dad makes them laugh-_*
Still can't believe how differently they sound from each other. I can close my eyes and differentiate between Virgil, Logan, Janus, Roman, and Patton. The fact that they're the same person still blows my mind years later.
i find that the differences in their voices is actually hilarious cause its just his regular plus a small twist in phrasing and conversation patterns. logan is lowest of the voices with janus. both of them coming from a speech pattern that uses tone to denote seriousness. where janus has flair to over hint deceit while logan more monotone or robotic only changing when becoming more active virgil the next in line but having a rougher tone and making him sound darker more edgy. denoting being anxiety, a tool used as a defence against social stigma and pain patton being the most firm and fatherly (given that was his original character before sides became more fleshed out) giving a higher voice cause of his positive demeanor the highest being roman and remus as they are both creativity and aspirations. remus as impulsive thought and intrusive thought while roman is creative thought and dreams. the main difference is remus having the most flair and actual accent.
I just realized that.... if everything Deceit says is lying, when he says “it’s Logan, everyone’s favorite character!” he’s really saying either “it’s Logan, no one’s favorite character” or “it’s Logan, everyone’s least favorite character.” Poor Logan.
Virgil told “Patton” to shut up, and that they weren’t friends because he knew it wasn’t Patton. He suspected it was Deceit, but he knew it wasn’t Patton. At first i was sad when he said they weren’t friends but it all made sense in the end and i love that.
In "accepting anxiety" when Roman said: "and you're nothing compared to the others " Hé was immediately quite after, and everyone dismissed it out of character. That could've been Deciet/Janus stopping them from saying...
xXSanders SidesXx I love those little hints! I can’t guarantee I’m correct, but I think another is at 14:37, it’s really subtle too. “Patton” mentions how babies come from messenger falcons, but in the very first SS video Patton establishes that he knows “it has something to do with storks” so perhaps this was another suggestion that this wasn’t really Patton. There are also many other hints throughout the video, this one just stuck out to me for some reason. (Obviously not because I’ve been rewatching all the episodes in order from start to finish while we wait for this virus to pass)
@xXSanders SidesXx Another good detail is in thomas shirr the whole episode is half and half (half skull of flowers and half white skull) but when deceit reveals it self it's a white skull and when patton is about to come back is a skull of flowers ❤️🥺
Unpopular opinion: Deceit is how Thomas is such a good actor. Think about it: Deceit dressed up and acted like Patton so well, he temporarily fooled everyone, and acting is pretending to be someone/something you are not. Sure Roman, and even Logan contributes by learning and being inspired by others, but Deceit is probably the main reason for the acting skills.
I'd say my top favorite characters right now are virgil first deceit second and not sure about the others cause I love them all but my top favorite are those two🙃
I love that line. If you take everything Deceit says as the exact opposite of the truth, this is one of the lines that doesn't work! It's still a lie to say that *nobody* likes logan. It's the first tiny bit of nuance we get for Deceit :D
Notice how “Patton” was completely ok, even encouraging of Thomas practicing his Deceit. The real Patton wouldn’t allow this at all. Even before the big reveal from Deceit, Patton was more extreme, pushy, manipulative, maybe even smarter than usual.
And I don't think Patton would take Roman's spot as director. He wants everyone to be happy. Patton would love to be his audience. But that may be my Patton kinnie mind kicking in.
BRO, OKAY SO YOU KNOW HOW THE DARK SIDE'S DON'T RISE UP? well.... At 0:23 Patton/Decite doesn't rise up.. that's why he surprises Thomas! That's was Decite the whole time... Oml💀
Virgil is every techie when working with bad actors or directors: “So many things!!!!” “ I CAN’T BE EVERY WHERE AT ONCE” “It was on the prop table, did you move it?” “It was in the green room, why was it in the green room?” Distressed and slightly angry groan
Virgil just running around all stressed out and all I can think is, "Patton is not Patton!" Along with laughing to almost everything that was going on......
4. Only the darksides pop up (including virgil) and all the light sides rise up. At the beginning thomas said "Oh sorry patton I didnt see you rise up there!" Edit: 5. 5:10 says kiddo not friendo Edit: 6. 17:46 "buddy" And finally, at 19:29 janus' music plays
@@_.tbone._ 8. When 'Patton' was saying he was confused he didn't have the right background music 9. Virgil's being angsty (more than usual) throughout the entire vid
@@balloonkill3r251 11. Patton would never explain the death of a hamster or any animal with the finger across the neck action. He’d get really awkward and start stuttering while trying explain it.
I love all the little details: - the skull on his shirt -the fact he said messenger falcons instead of storks - the fact he suddenly popped up - the fact he started favoritism with logan - the fact he kept on leaning towards lies - the fact that he kept on pushing Roman despite it going against roman's morals -how he laughed at the grandma's death -etc.
I’ve noticed that whenever Deceit disguises himself as someone, they never rise up in the same way as the usual Sides. He just appears or rises up in an unusual way. It’s something all Dark Sides do, even Virgil. Also, Deceit seems to have to continually describe the character that he’s playing in order to make it more believable which is another dead give away.
No, that would restict the creative control that Joan, Talyn and Thomas expand upon within each video... and technically it is it's own series, just because it's on RUclips does not discredit its awesomeness
Thomas's shirt changes at 19:42, it becomes the full skull, and then it changes again at 21:35, to the flowers in the shape of the skull. It goes back to the skull at 21:51, and to the half-skull at 22:08, and then to full flowers at 22:22. Could it be representative of Deceit's influence? Or maybe how much Thomas believes Deceit's lies?
I just realized something- Deceit was posing as Patton almost the entire time. And when Logan showed up, Deceit/Patton said "Logan! Everyone's favorite character!" At the time everyone just thought it was just Patton being nice. But as we know, Deceit speaks mostly lies... *Apply ice to burned area*
the ACTING in this. Thomas had to pretend to be a lying villain pretending to be the sweetest Side and when i rewatch it i can SEE the minuscule differences in how Deceit acts as Patton. so cool
Rewatching this I think the reason j- deceit called Virgil friendo instead of kiddo is because at the end of accepting anxiety part2 when Roman goes back into Virgil’s room to try and steal his posters, he calls him friendo and j- deceit could have heard and thought that’s something they regularly call Virgil
Amanda Ong Actually that is a good point. In POF, “Logan” was taunting Patton. We know that Logan would never do this, but we were never paying attention.
gilligan tookay "Yeah everyone knows where babies come from, messenger falcons" Oh yes, his deceit was showing a couple of times during the play scene and it was beautiful to watch.
yeah, during when Joan was saying 'that vase was the last thing my grandma gave me' Patton would have felt bad or showed remorse. Deciet almost seemed to laugh or smile while he said that. DECIET
Which he said in a snake voice which I think is when he does it that way is when he's telling a lie kind of so it must've been lieing so he was preparing for what the future holds we must get gloves like Janus
Did you notice that when Janus is lying, he shows the snake half of his face and when he's telling the truth, he has the human side showing? Also his lying voice is different from his truth voice. When he's lying, it sounds deeper. When he's telling the truth, it's slightly higher. "You've seen the last of me." He was showing the snake half.🐍👻
Virgil: “It was on the prop table, did you move it?!” Roman: “No, I didn’t move it! I have been acting this whole time, when would I have had time to move it?!” Virgil: “It was in the green room, what was it doing in there?!” Roman: “Oh, that’s right, I did move it” This is too real
This is me Where is my phone? It was on the table did you move it My brother: I don’t know what you did with your phone It was in your room whaat was it doing in there My brother': oh yeah I did move it and play games Phone ended up dead just before we needed to leave for a trip
When deceit was disgised as Patton, the skull on Thomas's shirt was half flower. Half white. When he revealed himself the skull went fully white. When Patton came back, it went full on patterned with flowers.
Attention comments section! I just realized Patton as Deceit just appeared in the beginning of the video just like Virgil usually does. What if this is the only way dark sides can enter the conversation? Virgil also mentioned in the nostalgia videos that he felt lightheaded after rising up like Patton, Roman and Logan usually do. Perhaps this is because Virgil is still part dark side. Thanks for reading this mini theory
Virgil's a Shadow Side. As I like to refer to sides that are either/both good and/or bad to ones health. Virgil can be either or for Thomas's Emotional health. So far, he's Good for Thomas.
Margarita Gonzlez Thomas, having worked with Anxiety and how to manage it have come to a good understanding with one another. Virgil doesn’t like deceit as often we lie to ourselves as an unhealthy way of dealing with Anxiety, and as previously stated, Anxiety is meant to protect us. Thomas has up to this point, denied its existence and as such hasn’t worked on have the fortitude to be able to see through ones lies and confront them. Lies can overpower all forms of logic or morality which is why Anxiety is the only one able to see through it so fast as Anxiety also uses lying to cause us to be cautious or to cause anxiety, in that case however it’s far more minor and beneficial. Anxiety also requires honesty and reality to function properly, if you lie to yourself, you are in for a bad time. I’m no scientist, just someone who has done a lot of deep thinking about this.
Virgil was part of the dark sides, definitely. But we know he's good for Thomas (Accepting Anxiety) The thing is though, not only is Virgil good for Thomas, he's on his side - he wanted Thomas to reveal Deceit and he's been the side that has pushed Thomas to do the right thing multiple times. I believe Virgil used to be a dark side, but he isn't anymore, or at least doesn't want to be, he wants what's best for Thomas and his friends, but Deceit didn't.
"Impressed isn't the word I'd use." *Virgil says as he shifts from foot to foot ANXIOUSLY.* The son of a gun KNEW. FROM. THE. START. Oh my goodness. That's actually kind of badass. CONSTANT VIGILANCE!
I can't stress enough that I believe this to be one of the best episodes of Sander Sides. Just the immense foreshadowing in almost every moment. As well as the character interactions between, "Patton" and Virgil are so well done.
It’s so cool that if you rewatch the video you can really tell that ‘Patton’ is acting super strange, down to the fact he just appears like Virgil does instead of sliding up like the other ‘light’ sides
Did anyone else notice Thomas's shirt change? Until Deceit was unmasked, his shirt was half flowers half skull. Then Deceit was unmasked, it went full skull. Then after Logan started his bit on knowledge and patton showed up, the skull changed to the flowers. That's cool. Good job Thomas, using a shirt a a metaphor
@@djwolfheart456 nope. The comment, in all likelyhood, is the fact that people often don't even know that there's an inner deceit to begin with, and that shows in this video; thomas convinced himself that he's completely honest. People lie to themselves, but that's not the greatest lie; the greatest lie is convincing yourself that you don't lie, if that makes sense.
it's been five years (FIVEE YEA RS S?) and im still extremely impressed by Thomas' acting in this. the way you can Tell Patton isn't Patton from the very beginning once you watch it for the second time is outstanding. and the details in the editing is SO GOOD. the way "Patton" just Appears instead of rising up is immediately off putting but not obvious. *G OD I MISS THIS SERIES*
When Deceit, though he was disguised as Patton, said "Virgil, it's me, aren't we friends?" I have a theory he knew that Virgil was aware of his disguise, and was saying that as himself (Deceit) as a genuine question. The looks Virgil gives Patton throughout the video makes it clear Virgil knew it was Deceit, which could be because they used to have a bond before Virgil evolved from being a theoretic "Dark Side" to one of the core Sides.
You can say Virgil and deceit come from the same part of the mind. both are self preservation mechanisms. It can be said they are siblings or at least neighbors.
4:44 Virgil *knows* that "Patton" is acting a little OOC Edit: 12:33 too, the little eyebrow raise Edit: 22:09 VIRGIL IS SO HAPPY THAT PATTON'S BACK THE LITTLE SMILE AND THEN THE LITTLE SNORT AT 22:27 TOO PRECIOUS
Virgil: Nice gloves. Did just finish washing dishes?
Deceit: . . . Yes.
best. line. ever.
He lied.
@Magical Wizards world
*Nah he did wash dem dishes*
Best thing ever
420th like pal
“you’re LAZY *AND* you’re GAY???”
my senior quote.
This is so underrated lmao
yes
Lol, this is a description of my life!
Man I wish
Lol
Can we just appreciate Thomas acting as a side of himself who is acting as another side of himself while talking to three more sides and one whole of himself whom he acts as also. Now that, is acting.
@Katelynn Shipe Yeah it does
I had to read this twice and break it apart in order to understand it
Katelynn Shipe same
Wait what I’m a bit confused
Edit:took me a while but I got it
How to understand it xD :
Thomas is pretty much acting as all the sides 🙃
Deceit saying Logan is everyone’s favorite character was just cold
yeah oh damn just realised how janus saying that would hurt-
My heart!
*d a m n*
well it does seem to be actually true,sure not *every* one but a lot
Virgil's side eye at that
" I have worked here, selling hot topic merch for a long time now"
Virgil: nice.
Aww you think I'm hot
He's Hot Topic's MVP costumer.
"Yes, and-"
No he said nice for the Yes and theatre reference
Virgil is the biggest mood
BEFORE DECEIT REVEALED HIMSELF AND VIRGIL SAID HE WASN’T SURE IF HE AND “PATTON” WE FRIENDS I WAS READY TO START SOBBING ISTG
just you wait for potential arcs
But then he smiled when patton appeared again sooo...
Alaina Bunn yes thank god he did
At that moment, Virgil was aware that Patton was possibly Deceit, so that wasn’t what Virgil really thinks about him, it’s what he thinks about Deceit.
I mean, he knew from the start - early on when Logan was impressed by "Patton" because he referenced philosophers, Virgil said "impressed isn't the word I'd use..."
Did anybody notice that Thomas's shirt was two-faced up until Deceit revealed himself that it fully turned into a skull?
Frankly Castil and at the end it was all flower
Oh dang, I noticed the shirt changing but I didn't think of that.
THATS AMAZING!!!
WOAH when you mentioned that I looked at the video (I paused it on Thomas after Deceit revealed himself) and I almost jumped outta my chair.
Great observation I never noticed that
*_22:24_**_- I love how Virgil actually laughs when Patton makes jokes sometimes. Its like a little kid in their edgy phase when their dad makes them laugh-_*
:D
You got that right on the money
It's adorable father and son😊💜💙
“You’re lazy 𝘢𝘯𝘥 you’re gay?!”
Story of my life.
same
Same
Same
Same
It even says it in your username
"... emphasis on the oopsie, because you were a mistake."
JOAN LMAO
... mE-
I am a mistake-
@@ORIrelish you are a fander so obviously you aren't
Lizzicana Playz no
I am the mistake.
Aria Glenndale no you’re not
Logan yelling "DECEIT" has the same energy as him yelling "FALSEHOOD!"
I mean...they’re kinda the same thing-
@@bellameedriver5317 I-
I love your profile pic!! I love jacksepticeye
@@faithylulu thanks!
FALSEHOOD
NOTHING CAN HAVE THE SAME ENERGY AS FALSEHOOD
Still can't believe how differently they sound from each other. I can close my eyes and differentiate between Virgil, Logan, Janus, Roman, and Patton. The fact that they're the same person still blows my mind years later.
I know!
But what is they aren't and that's just what they want you to think?
@@-littlestar-8072
The main characters have just been played by a bunch of septuplets for all these years
I didn’t truly appreciate how hard that is until I started playing dnd. Making your different characters have a distinct voice is DIFFICULT
i find that the differences in their voices is actually hilarious cause its just his regular plus a small twist in phrasing and conversation patterns. logan is lowest of the voices with janus. both of them coming from a speech pattern that uses tone to denote seriousness. where janus has flair to over hint deceit while logan more monotone or robotic only changing when becoming more active
virgil the next in line but having a rougher tone and making him sound darker more edgy. denoting being anxiety, a tool used as a defence against social stigma and pain
patton being the most firm and fatherly (given that was his original character before sides became more fleshed out) giving a higher voice cause of his positive demeanor
the highest being roman and remus as they are both creativity and aspirations. remus as impulsive thought and intrusive thought while roman is creative thought and dreams. the main difference is remus having the most flair and actual accent.
Anxiety is actually what it’s like being backstage
Seriously though, being backstage is so stressful
So true
He's seven places at once and is mildly ticked off and under stress
and the prop area part is one of the most stressful things
Relatable
I just realized that.... if everything Deceit says is lying, when he says “it’s Logan, everyone’s favorite character!” he’s really saying either “it’s Logan, no one’s favorite character” or “it’s Logan, everyone’s least favorite character.”
Poor Logan.
Poor logan
Virgil (in a previous video) : get over it you're the least popular character and you know it (to Logan
Not everything he says is a lie, sometimes he's just sarcastic.
@@cjck1344 'Cause he's sarcastic?
Ryan Wagner NO L O G A N
Thomas: **has watched the Office bloopers 15 and a half times before**
Me: **has watched the Sanders Sides bloopers 15 and a half times before**
Imma Bookchild hmmmmm same thing
Helen Elder yep
Me: **has watched both**
Panda Panda 711 you are a pile of poop needing to type this at midnight
I’m doing it cause I’m nocturnal it runs through my moms genes and now mine
Helen Elder, they may be in a different time zone as you. It’s nowhere near midnight where I am.
The way the whole room LITERALLY lit up when Patton came back. Like..literally, they changed the lighting.
And on this episode of details of cool details I missed despite multiple rewatches
I never noticed that!! So cool
Virgil told “Patton” to shut up, and that they weren’t friends because he knew it wasn’t Patton. He suspected it was Deceit, but he knew it wasn’t Patton. At first i was sad when he said they weren’t friends but it all made sense in the end and i love that.
Wait, isn't virgil telling patton to shut up most of the time anyways? Oh wait that's Roman.
Timestamp?
Whats timestamp?
The time it occurred
17:56
Thomas: “-selling hot topic merch”
Roman: “No”
Thomas: “Yes and”
Me and Virgil: “Niceee 👍”
Exactly
Literally what I do
lol
noice.
Yikes No I still don’t understand-
"YOU'RE LAZY AND GAY????YOU'RE FIRED!!!"
All my future bosses
Yeemo Trash How to very sneakily come out to RUclips without anyone noticing
Mood
Mood. And then add trans.
δαΜε
Ι fοΓΦοτ Το δψιτΩΗ το ενΦιΙδΗ
"you know me, your- i don't know- brother?"
"-who he calls mr. thomas??? i don't-" is a criminally underrated line and no one can change my mind
Agree
It's truly beautiful
AAGH. Great moment. 10/10.
That and
Thomas: Who’s his understudy
Roman: Meeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!
Amazing line
Deceit: “Well, it’s all about priorities, friendo.”
Virgil and literally everyone: *insert the vine of that child* YOU’RE NOT MY DAD!
No Patton
Sorry for bad spelling
I thought so too, He says Kiddo, not Friendo
Cupcake Kitty Patton :)
*When Your Likes On Your Comment Are 666*
Cupcake Kitty *Patton 😊
I love that Virgil is proud of Thomas for fictionally working at Hot Topic...And also probably for making Roman mad.
When I saw the bit about hot topic merch I immediately thought of merch about Virgil aka Hot Topic
HazelEyedDreamer I bet Virgil is thinking "I wonder if he can get me a discount..."
“You’re lazy and you’re gay?!”
Yes, yes I am.
YoUrE lAzY aNd YoUrE gAy
Me: Lazy yes, gay, no idea cus I'm forever alone ☹️
Hm well that sentence is practically my hecking life.
Nice profile pic
Amelia Brown Yours too. Are you a Ravenclaw?
@@-incorrect_slytherclaw296-5 yep
In "accepting anxiety"
when Roman said: "and you're nothing compared to the others "
Hé was immediately quite after, and everyone dismissed it out of character.
That could've been Deciet/Janus stopping them from saying...
oh ho ho .... yes indeed i think you are right, i think he even put his hand to his mouth
crap... he did put his hand on his mouth...
He was like "Shut your trap Roman! Now is not the time."
OMFG U R GENIUS
The fact that this also got 666 likes makes this better
I just noticed this Thomas didn’t see “Patton” rise up he just appeared Patton always rises that’s because it wasn’t Patton nice detail Thomas
I just realized, all the dark sides just pop up, while the light sides rise up...
Even Virgil just seems to “jump down” that’s such a great detail I agree
xXSanders SidesXx I love those little hints! I can’t guarantee I’m correct, but I think another is at 14:37, it’s really subtle too. “Patton” mentions how babies come from messenger falcons, but in the very first SS video Patton establishes that he knows “it has something to do with storks” so perhaps this was another suggestion that this wasn’t really Patton. There are also many other hints throughout the video, this one just stuck out to me for some reason. (Obviously not because I’ve been rewatching all the episodes in order from start to finish while we wait for this virus to pass)
@xXSanders SidesXx
Another good detail is in thomas shirr the whole episode is half and half (half skull of flowers and half white skull) but when deceit reveals it self it's a white skull and when patton is about to come back is a skull of flowers ❤️🥺
vale roman YOU NOTICED TOO! What a wonderful detail that was!
"Are there any other sides that Deceit has hidden away from me?"
_stands in the corner eating deodorant_ no......
This made me laugh way too hard
Pickled poo logs.
@@lxvely5614 saaame
Virgil: *sweating*
XxMysticDaisyxX pffffffffff
"Boyfriend? How many lies are we telling here?!?"
MOOD
Mood to the max
I know right
"Nice gloves. Did you just finish washing the dishes?"
*smugly* "Yes."
Hey just because he's evil doesn't mean he can't have clean dishes. XD
That part was so funny to me XD
MABYE HE DID JUST FINISH WASHING THE DISHES
@@AriTheArtist280 that’s what i’m saying
Specifically his wine glasses (i know im 3 years late but i don't care)
Unpopular opinion:
Deceit is how Thomas is such a good actor. Think about it: Deceit dressed up and acted like Patton so well, he temporarily fooled everyone, and acting is pretending to be someone/something you are not. Sure Roman, and even Logan contributes by learning and being inspired by others, but Deceit is probably the main reason for the acting skills.
... holy s**t you're right!
agreed
Lol ur making my brain hurt
Hmmmm I mean it kinda makes sence
well almost everyone virgil knew from the beginning but dang u have a point
Roman: the dark sides
Virgil: looks like he is about to strangle him
"Who's his understudy?"
"MEeEEEEeEEeeEe!"
Love Roman a little more every episode
Jade Chocoberry I can relate
(excuse my fangirl moment, I couldn't hold it in) *inhale* SO DOES VIRGIL!
Don't we all do that ??
@@bookforager1253 obviously
@@bookforager1253 eeeeek
I love how Janus doesn’t rise up or sink down, he just wAlKs iN and waLKs oUt lmao
Slimy boi
I love my dark strange sons
Watch again! He does sink down!
@@claireaquos6532 my bad
Same as Virgil!!! Logan: “You do this thing where you kind of just appear” in accepting anxiety
I'd say my top favorite characters right now are virgil first deceit second and not sure about the others cause I love them all but my top favorite are those two🙃
Great comment, but "I love my dark strange sons" has the same energy as "I love my dead gay son" from Heathers
When “Patton” said “oh look it’s Logan everyone’s favorite character” Virgil realizes it deceit
When?
PeacePanda 101 yeah, I noticed that too. Logan is the least enjoyed as far as I’ve seen. Personally he’s my favorite but I know I’m in the minority
1:09-1:15
I love that line. If you take everything Deceit says as the exact opposite of the truth, this is one of the lines that doesn't work! It's still a lie to say that *nobody* likes logan. It's the first tiny bit of nuance we get for Deceit :D
He noticed as soon as he saw patton not pop up but appear instead
“HOW DARE YOU STAND WHERE HE STOOD”
Just a um throw a little Harry Potter reference in there I like
I solemnly swear I am up to no good....
Hahahahahahaha
I didn't even realize. Haha
666 likes
“TELL THEM HOW IT HAPPENED THAT NIGHT”
"What boyfriend? How many lies are we telling here?" I love this guy
Gabby Jurado me this Valentine’s Day 😂
Notice how “Patton” was completely ok, even encouraging of Thomas practicing his Deceit. The real Patton wouldn’t allow this at all. Even before the big reveal from Deceit, Patton was more extreme, pushy, manipulative, maybe even smarter than usual.
he references kant, i'd say smarter as well lol
Yeah I did notice that. I thought it was super out of character and also super funny, with the whole Kant study bit
And I don't think Patton would take Roman's spot as director. He wants everyone to be happy. Patton would love to be his audience.
But that may be my Patton kinnie mind kicking in.
@@specificallyrandomweirdo
Honestly I’d say the same too, but that could also be my Patton kinnie coming through too lol
I think right before he was revealed, he knew Vergil at least suspected who he was and he started trying to hold on to the rooze.
Thomas: "Selling hot topic clothing."
Virgil: "NiCe"
There's nothing wrong with Hot Topic. That's where I get my shirts. Some awesome stuff with Invader Zim. Pikachu onesie.🐶👽
@cherry colored cloudsYeah, bruh.👽🤖
Actually, Virgil was saying “Nice” because of the “Yes and”
when you realize that Deceit called Logan “everyone’s favorite character.” not Patton.
LEAVE LOGAN ALONNEEE 🥺
LOGAN IS MY FAVORITE CHARACTER DECEIT! I mean, they all are my favorite (even the dark sides) but Logan is an amazing character!
Pastellic Blues oop-
It’s because that deceit hates how Logan ruins everything he does because he is the opposite of him, a VERY smart move on Thomas’ part
@@youtuberfangirlnamededyn6186 Actualy that does make sense.
while reading this, i realized that deceit was probably lying when he said that too.
#JUSTICEFORLOGAN
Patton: Aah Logan everyone’s favorite characterr
Logan: Oh thank you
*Virgil: eyebrow raise*
are ya sure about that?
Honestly, Janus. That seems more like a matter of opinion.😺👻
@@zimmygirl777
opinions
@@enzo3217 Some people say Logan's their favorite. Some people like Virgil. It's subjective.😺👻
@@zimmygirl777 truth be told
Roman *called deceit a scooby-doo villain*
Deceit: and i took that personally
Then in SvS: “Who was it that was called a Scooby-Doo villain for doing the exact same thing? Oh yeah, it was me! Disguised as Patton!”
Let's not forget the end of "Embarasing phases" were it's implay he desguise himself as Scooby-doo XD
I love him so much
Omg-
You can also tell “Patton” is decit because HE DIDN’T DO A SINGLE DAD JOKE-
I didn't realize one of my favourite youtubers watched Sanders Sides-
@YT_Gremlin To Calies TvT
He also said friendo instead of kiddo
BRO, OKAY SO YOU KNOW HOW THE DARK SIDE'S DON'T RISE UP? well.... At 0:23 Patton/Decite doesn't rise up.. that's why he surprises Thomas! That's was Decite the whole time... Oml💀
•Calies Art•
he didn’t make a dad joke in the first 2 minutes off when he showed up I was already suspicious 😒
Non fander: wth is sanders sides??
Me: *florida man stands in his living room talking to himself for 10-50 minutes and his friends help him film it*
genius
My favorite part was probably
YES, AND
As an actor
BAHAHAHA
No one:
Rehearsals: 14:41
You are Thomas?
Roman with a Pikachu hat screaming for his sippy cup is my everything
Kaiden Bishop “WHERE IS MY SIPPY CUP, TECH?”
i felt that so deeply because theater is wacky like that
I have a roman cosplay... I have a pikachu hat........... I JUST NEED A SIPPY CUP
Thomas: are you my *mummy?*
Logan: doctor who reference, Fantastic.
One of my favourite moments
same
Thomas: "Boyfriend? What boyfriend- how many lies are we telling"
Me: I don't think I've ever related to something more-
your not so local goth mom LMAO I WAS ABOUT TO REPLY WITH THAT 💀💀
Wdym Noya? You have Asahi.
Wait, is that the fabled state after crush and stalker? I've only seen one person reach there. It took him 5 years but he did it.
For me that could be any Romantic partner and it would still be accurate
Lmao
Thomas: are there other sides Deceit is keeping from me?
Me, literally in my process of making a Duke cosplay: * maniacally laughing*
Haha XD
Ohhhhh, I want to see it! I have a Logan cosplay, but it’s pretty simple.
Ginger i knew people went back to watch this thing all over again
Lmaooooo
Wait. Virgil has to be the “Dark Side” of Logan-
Virgil is every techie when working with bad actors or directors:
“So many things!!!!”
“ I CAN’T BE EVERY WHERE AT ONCE”
“It was on the prop table, did you move it?”
“It was in the green room, why was it in the green room?”
Distressed and slightly angry groan
Also hes eDgY™
Virgil just running around all stressed out and all I can think is, "Patton is not Patton!" Along with laughing to almost everything that was going on......
YESSSS I RELATE
Virgil is me when I’m stage tech.
You know what, Virgil is just me in general. Let’s just be honest with ourselves. 😂
@Maximillia McGalliant SAAAME
17:49 that moment virgil had had enough with deceit's facade. You can see it clearly in his face. The way he despised deceit pretending to be patton
How to know if he's the real patton
1.He is very giggly
2.Makes a ton of dad jokes
3.Annoys Logan
4. Only the darksides pop up (including virgil) and all the light sides rise up. At the beginning thomas said "Oh sorry patton I didnt see you rise up there!"
Edit: 5. 5:10 says kiddo not friendo
Edit: 6. 17:46 "buddy"
And finally, at 19:29 janus' music plays
@@_.tbone._ 8. When 'Patton' was saying he was confused he didn't have the right background music
9. Virgil's being angsty (more than usual) throughout the entire vid
@@leiaustin1948 10. Patton would never condone lying at all.
Oo actually near the end when all was said and done he did try to refer to Deceit's example with Kant.
@@balloonkill3r251 11. Patton would never explain the death of a hamster or any animal with the finger across the neck action. He’d get really awkward and start stuttering while trying explain it.
Virgil little frown looking away when Roman says "the dark sides"
Because he was one of them 😭
*Omg that's so sad* 😢
..........I have to stop looking at the comments.
That made me cry
@@scarlettarana same 0-o
The thing is in the last video it was revealed that he WAS-
I love all the little details:
- the skull on his shirt
-the fact he said messenger falcons instead of storks
- the fact he suddenly popped up
- the fact he started favoritism with logan
- the fact he kept on leaning towards lies
- the fact that he kept on pushing Roman despite it going against roman's morals
-how he laughed at the grandma's death
-etc.
Everyone knows that babies come from the moon. 😺👻
-Friendo instead of Kiddo
-Not wearing the cat hoodie Logan gave Patton
The fact virgle is being mean to him
Another thing! He says that Logan's the favourite character.
He's lying lololol
I’ve noticed that whenever Deceit disguises himself as someone, they never rise up in the same way as the usual Sides. He just appears or rises up in an unusual way. It’s something all Dark Sides do, even Virgil.
Also, Deceit seems to have to continually describe the character that he’s playing in order to make it more believable which is another dead give away.
True, true. When he appears as Logan he also just *appears* out of nowhere.
@@piercedsirenhe actually rises up but it’s a bit wobbly
“Boyfriend? What boyfriend? How many lies are we telling”
Me summarized in 3 sentences....
“W-what boyf riend!?!?”
Broadway 101! Is that a bmc reference?
Gramma and grandpa Stop using this account .....maybe
Me
Sander's Sides need to be it's own TV show.
No, that would restict the creative control that Joan, Talyn and Thomas expand upon within each video... and technically it is it's own series, just because it's on RUclips does not discredit its awesomeness
Professor Pankakes You're not wrong, but just imagine what they could do with a real budget and full creative control! 😍
koutashinji That is 100% fact
koutashinji like a real life daydream mode.
koutashinji yeeees omg that would be the most epic thing!
"I'm a sucker for Joan's pouty face."
Their friendship is gold
My friend and I be like together lol XD
so true XD
Gwenny 1705 same and this is so true
me and my best guy friend
Thomas's shirt changes at 19:42, it becomes the full skull, and then it changes again at 21:35, to the flowers in the shape of the skull. It goes back to the skull at 21:51, and to the half-skull at 22:08, and then to full flowers at 22:22. Could it be representative of Deceit's influence? Or maybe how much Thomas believes Deceit's lies?
I think it's whether or not Deceit is disguised as Patton
OK GOOD I WASNT THE ONLY ONE WHO NOTICED
Or the two theatre masks
I just realized something- Deceit was posing as Patton almost the entire time. And when Logan showed up, Deceit/Patton said "Logan! Everyone's favorite character!" At the time everyone just thought it was just Patton being nice. But as we know, Deceit speaks mostly lies...
*Apply ice to burned area*
TELL THAT TO CROFTERS
he also just appeared instead of rising up!
@@jamiebarr6442 that’s true
Also when Virgil was still considering a “dark side” he just appeared but now he’s rising up
crap...
To be fair- I did think i scented a bit of sarcasm
the ACTING in this. Thomas had to pretend to be a lying villain pretending to be the sweetest Side and when i rewatch it i can SEE the minuscule differences in how Deceit acts as Patton. so cool
I can't believe I didn't realize it on the first watch-through, it is so good!
Puts that different light on "oh, good, Logan, everyone's favorite character!"
@@beenheretoolong nooo. Don't hurt my heart :(
I KNOW RIGHT, LIKE DAMN
I almost cried when Patton turned into Deceit. I saw the evil at first, but then I was like "NOT PATTON!"
I freaked out and asked myself how many times he had done that
Ari Kolorz SAMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
WHY DO THEY ALWAYS GO FOR THE PURE BEANS FIRST!
“THATS NOT MY SON”
I literally died
Rewatching this I think the reason j- deceit called Virgil friendo instead of kiddo is because at the end of accepting anxiety part2 when Roman goes back into Virgil’s room to try and steal his posters, he calls him friendo and j- deceit could have heard and thought that’s something they regularly call Virgil
that's an interesting theory. I never thought about that.
Ik this was a year ago but SO TRUE
detail: in the beginning, janus was wearing the CARDIGAN, instead of the cat hoodie. its cool because in SvS he had the wrong tie too
But then in SvS redux he technically wore the right tie on “Logan”
*JANUS IS LEARNING*
Sahana Collins I love that and I now believe that is what he does
This just shows that no matter how believable a lie is, there’s always gonna be a loose end sticking out
Amanda Ong Actually that is a good point. In POF, “Logan” was taunting Patton. We know that Logan would never do this, but we were never paying attention.
He probably hadn't seen them for a while before he decided to impersonate them
"You have no morality!!"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH" *Anxiety kills Thomas*
10:50
"Patton": Action! *Under his breath* That's not just for movies.
Me: Deceit your deceit is showing.
gilligan tookay "Yeah everyone knows where babies come from, messenger falcons"
Oh yes, his deceit was showing a couple of times during the play scene and it was beautiful to watch.
Devon Avery Nightshade Yes, Patton once said, “I know that it has something to do with storks”
yeah, during when Joan was saying 'that vase was the last thing my grandma gave me' Patton would have felt bad or showed remorse. Deciet almost seemed to laugh or smile while he said that. DECIET
Don’t forget he said friendo and not kiddo!
Not to mention that... disturbing hand motion when Thomas asked if the hamster was dead. No hesitation.
"Wait, Hugh Jackman is in this!?"
"No, his understudy is going on tonight."
"Who's his understudy?"
"MEEEE! **pretty pink princess twirl**"
LOVE the description!
I've been tricked, falsehooded or should I say *DECIEVED.*
GUYS I NOTICED SOMETHING
PATTON SAID “Friendo” INSTEAD OF “Kiddo” OMGGG
I also notice
Yea I was like “this isn him, WHO ARE YOU?!”
That was my reaction, word for word-
also "messenger falcons" instead of "storks", like, *what* ?
Another great detail is how in the very beginning he just shows up instead of rising up. Just like virgil!!
Call it, friendo.
Joan: "I literally typed out 'F Word Face'. Is that serious in your world? Is that a serious person thing..?"
Me: Y E S
I agree
Same.
F word face
F word face
🤬 this face?
Virgil was a completely accurate representation of tech crew. And the actor being frustrating was completely accurate.
"nice gloves, did you just finish washing some dishes?" virgil
"Yes" deceit
lol. i cracked up.
I couldn't breath when i heard that
Mary Breckling same XD
I looked up the meaning of deceit and then I realization figuratively hit me in the forehead
No one:
Virgil: Nice gloves, Did you just finish washing dishes?
Janus: . . .
*Y e s*
YES.
Which he said in a snake voice which I think is when he does it that way is when he's telling a lie kind of so it must've been lieing so he was preparing for what the future holds we must get gloves like Janus
Did you notice that when Janus is lying, he shows the snake half of his face and when he's telling the truth, he has the human side showing? Also his lying voice is different from his truth voice. When he's lying, it sounds deeper. When he's telling the truth, it's slightly higher. "You've seen the last of me." He was showing the snake half.🐍👻
@@zimmygirl777 Ye kinda
@@carlamuffinWhen he said "I'm not going anywhere.", he had the human side of his face showing.🐍👻
Virgil: “It was on the prop table, did you move it?!”
Roman: “No, I didn’t move it! I have been acting this whole time, when would I have had time to move it?!”
Virgil: “It was in the green room, what was it doing in there?!”
Roman: “Oh, that’s right, I did move it”
This is too real
True true
Yeah. Lol
Like an old married couple
@@ketchupman. omg that's so sweet
This is me
Where is my phone? It was on the table did you move it
My brother: I don’t know what you did with your phone
It was in your room whaat was it doing in there
My brother': oh yeah I did move it and play games
Phone ended up dead just before we needed to leave for a trip
Janus’ reveal was the BEST reveal in the series in my opinion. I love it so much and the music reflects the character so well
22:09 Virgil genuinely smiles when Patton comes back he’s so precious.
Frazzles I can't stop replaying this moment
WHY DO I SHIP IT????
*_Moraxiety intensifies_*
It’s a son smile
555 hmph
When deceit was disgised as Patton, the skull on Thomas's shirt was half flower. Half white.
When he revealed himself the skull went fully white.
When Patton came back, it went full on patterned with flowers.
I noticed the shirt change too!!!
Me to
.... MORE CONSPIRACY TIME
@@MonsieurCapgras y e s
Okay? Who???? Actually notices these things????
I love the "well this all went according to plan" "surely it didn't"
HelloIamAce Same, Logan just sounds so done.
HelloIamAce 😂😂😂😂
“(Evil laugh) You foolish dummy. I HAVE and ALWAYS BEEN PATTON!!”
That made me laugh so hard!! Idk why, it’s just one of my favorite lines.
YAS
"You're lazy AND you're gay????? You're fired!"
Wow I feel attacked
it literally me except i’m pan
Eva Taki "Well im hopelessly crushed!😆"
Me too #PAN
Same
dude me too. Though I'm Bi and pan romantic but hush.
Attention comments section!
I just realized Patton as Deceit just appeared in the beginning of the video just like Virgil usually does. What if this is the only way dark sides can enter the conversation? Virgil also mentioned in the nostalgia videos that he felt lightheaded after rising up like Patton, Roman and Logan usually do. Perhaps this is because Virgil is still part dark side.
Thanks for reading this mini theory
Someone else noticed!!!!!
Virgil's a Shadow Side.
As I like to refer to sides that are either/both good and/or bad to ones health. Virgil can be either or for Thomas's Emotional health. So far, he's Good for Thomas.
If Virgil had a phone your icon would be his phone background..😈👌
Margarita Gonzlez Thomas, having worked with Anxiety and how to manage it have come to a good understanding with one another. Virgil doesn’t like deceit as often we lie to ourselves as an unhealthy way of dealing with Anxiety, and as previously stated, Anxiety is meant to protect us. Thomas has up to this point, denied its existence and as such hasn’t worked on have the fortitude to be able to see through ones lies and confront them. Lies can overpower all forms of logic or morality which is why Anxiety is the only one able to see through it so fast as Anxiety also uses lying to cause us to be cautious or to cause anxiety, in that case however it’s far more minor and beneficial. Anxiety also requires honesty and reality to function properly, if you lie to yourself, you are in for a bad time. I’m no scientist, just someone who has done a lot of deep thinking about this.
Virgil was part of the dark sides, definitely. But we know he's good for Thomas (Accepting Anxiety)
The thing is though, not only is Virgil good for Thomas, he's on his side - he wanted Thomas to reveal Deceit and he's been the side that has pushed Thomas to do the right thing multiple times.
I believe Virgil used to be a dark side, but he isn't anymore, or at least doesn't want to be, he wants what's best for Thomas and his friends, but Deceit didn't.
"Impressed isn't the word I'd use." *Virgil says as he shifts from foot to foot ANXIOUSLY.*
The son of a gun KNEW. FROM. THE. START. Oh my goodness. That's actually kind of badass. CONSTANT VIGILANCE!
constant *virgilance*
@@corinneisverycool a pun that Patton would highly approve of
I guess you could say he’s... *paranavirgilant*
@@tiildeath.....I love everything about this Comment lol
He also say they might not be friends, which Virgil wouldnt say to Patton
I can't stress enough that I believe this to be one of the best episodes of Sander Sides. Just the immense foreshadowing in almost every moment. As well as the character interactions between, "Patton" and Virgil are so well done.
“How dare you stand where he stood!”
nice Harry Potter reference.
Potter heads rise up!
YeS
me: but he stood everywhere in this place.. what do you want me to do, *float?*
I'm a Ravenclaw~
Queen Blue same!
Patton-Shining through? I’m not a sun I’m a dad!
Logan-*whisper* maybe deceit wasn’t so bad
Loceit?
It’s so cool that if you rewatch the video you can really tell that ‘Patton’ is acting super strange, down to the fact he just appears like Virgil does instead of sliding up like the other ‘light’ sides
Did anyone else notice Thomas's shirt change? Until Deceit was unmasked, his shirt was half flowers half skull. Then Deceit was unmasked, it went full skull. Then after Logan started his bit on knowledge and patton showed up, the skull changed to the flowers. That's cool. Good job Thomas, using a shirt a a metaphor
That's a great observation, I never noticed that before but that's so cool!
I NOTICED THAT TOO!!!! I was literally staring at that shirt the whole video. It was so eye-catching and made me wanna say “hey, nice shirt.”
Logon? Logan!
Dang it I just commented this and now it's gonna look like it was copied
Logon Logon LOG ON iTS LOGAN
I just realized that J- *Deceit* is bad at lying because Thomas is an honest person
🤔
That is actually a good theory
wait, that makes sense actually
Wait..
Wait that makes so much sense-
the almost saying the name- i see what you did there-
"boyfriend? what boyfriend? how many lies are we telling here?"
a billion~
*Flirt or Flight intensifies*
Spoilers))
when "Patton" first said "WOW I'm so proud of you Thomas. You're SO mature." I feel like we all internally screamed and freaked out.
Logan: "Also the concepts of good and bad are arguably meaningless-"
Remus later, in his song: "Good and bad is all made up nonsense!"
Hmmm
heyyy yeaah. i've never noticed that before.
intrulogical fans when they see this: we are living our best lives now
@@vale3242 hell yeah. im an intrulogical fan and that made me so damn happy
@@deeznuts-tc1ji knew it
my intrulogical heart-
Virgil : Nice gloves did you just finish washing some dishes
Deceit: *pause* yes
That had me dead🤣🤣🤣
Yesss best line ever
One hundred percent fabulous
Star Burst I like the line
Virgil: objection, the judge can't object!
Deceit: objection, neither can the jury.
I just realized that while they were talking about lying to Joan, Joan was probably right there filming the entire thing.
They were part of the video so yeh lol
yeah lol.
Well some are fake senarios
@@addisonm6801 yea like the mary lee and lee's wedding I don't think they are real😂 but are put in
Did nobody notice that when the real Patton appeared Virgil smiled adorably
Virgil doesn't smile often but when he does
It's precious
Let's be honest, that whole,
"DECEIT"
reveal thing is just too iconic for this world
a cultural reset
Genius. A masterpiece. True *art.*
Can we talk about the way it got a little blurry, like a veil being taken away, when Logan yelled "Deceit"???
“The greatest lie that the Devil ever told was convincing the World he didn’t exist.”
Krystal Rossi You’re not wrong
Ummmm....... 😳 🤨 okayyyyyyy?
The devil told the truth if that’s the case.
I have been reading this for over the 17th time now and I'm confused on how the heck this works-
@@djwolfheart456 nope. The comment, in all likelyhood, is the fact that people often don't even know that there's an inner deceit to begin with, and that shows in this video; thomas convinced himself that he's completely honest. People lie to themselves, but that's not the greatest lie; the greatest lie is convincing yourself that you don't lie, if that makes sense.
1:14
Barely a minute in and Virgil already knows what’s up.
it's been five years (FIVEE YEA RS S?) and im still extremely impressed by Thomas' acting in this.
the way you can Tell Patton isn't Patton from the very beginning once you watch it for the second time is outstanding.
and the details in the editing is SO GOOD. the way "Patton" just Appears instead of rising up is immediately off putting but not obvious.
*G OD I MISS THIS SERIES*
The face Virgil made when Roman said “The Dark Side”. I feel so bad for Virgil! He looks so ashamed. 😭
A friend and I were talking and pointed out that Virgil never says “The Dark Sides” but instead he says “The Others”. Because he was one of them!
Time stamp please?...
24:17 is the time stamp.
Omg I noticed that aswell
Ohhhhh i get it
I was looking at the two comments here for eleven mins
I never realised how utterly adorable Logan is in this video. His little “no” after dwi and “see I know things too”. He’s so sweet!
Holly Whitbread
and when he was just like,
“deal with it”
XS had me dedd
Holly Whitbread Thats Why Hes My Favorite Side.
Poor Logan just wants to fit in :c
@@williambritigan3180 A G R E E D
p a r t y t i m e YOUR PICTURE IS ROMANNNNN OOOOOOMMMGGGGG
When Deceit, though he was disguised as Patton, said "Virgil, it's me, aren't we friends?" I have a theory he knew that Virgil was aware of his disguise, and was saying that as himself (Deceit) as a genuine question. The looks Virgil gives Patton throughout the video makes it clear Virgil knew it was Deceit, which could be because they used to have a bond before Virgil evolved from being a theoretic "Dark Side" to one of the core Sides.
Blueraspberry Cat ooo. Good theory. But that’s just a theory. A film Theory!
Oooooo yeesssss i love that theoryyy
Oh... my... god... I love that theory so much
WAIT YOUR RIGHT OMG!!!!!
You can say Virgil and deceit come from the same part of the mind. both are self preservation mechanisms. It can be said they are siblings or at least neighbors.
4:44 Virgil *knows* that "Patton" is acting a little OOC
Edit: 12:33 too, the little eyebrow raise
Edit: 22:09 VIRGIL IS SO HAPPY THAT PATTON'S BACK THE LITTLE SMILE
AND THEN THE LITTLE SNORT AT 22:27 TOO PRECIOUS
it took me 14 years to realise that people say "break a leg" because they want them to get in the "cast"
😂 Lmao
Eyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
What
well- thats a cool take on it, but it was just because to say "good luck" was seen as bad luck
@@yawn_0_057 it’s a joke