Did a US Marine Join the Russian Army to Serve in Ukraine

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  • @RyanMcBethProgramming
    @RyanMcBethProgramming  5 месяцев назад +48

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    • @jer1014t2th
      @jer1014t2th 5 месяцев назад +6

      Please note, folks - this video seems to be a general assessment of whether the video and individual are likely to be real or not.
      This video lacks detailed or topical information on the individual in question - no referenced military history, no disciplinary record, etc.
      Ryan, it might make for a more interesting video if any concrete information becomes available.
      ....also, the military's handling of the covid vaccine and mandated injections was a mess. Significant mishandling of religious exceptions, some (rare) mistreatment and jailing of soldiers in otherwise good standing.
      In any event, if this guy is real and is saying what he thinks there's a lot wrong with his logic lol
      Russia is not better in terms of personal freedom🤦‍♂️

    • @16mopey
      @16mopey 5 месяцев назад +5

      @ryan Macbeth you any thoughts on that Russian channel you covered a while ago at that event who touched the tank as I saw his most recent video seems to be talking a little about you

    • @Xavier1822
      @Xavier1822 5 месяцев назад

      @RyanMcBethProgramming I don't know if you had heard but thousands of people were kicked out of the military for refusing to take the vaccine most were people who had done nothing wrong before

    • @Xavier1822
      @Xavier1822 5 месяцев назад +2

      That moment when your comment gets deleted seconds after posting

    • @rocko7711
      @rocko7711 5 месяцев назад

      thanks Ryan

  • @mosh.4245
    @mosh.4245 5 месяцев назад +2053

    "The British state took everything from me...........when I got out for prison for fighting in the Donbas" Me: OH, yeah stuff like that would make you unemployable.

    • @timh6845
      @timh6845 5 месяцев назад +385

      He really needs to update his LinkedIn 😂

    • @RyanMcBethProgramming
      @RyanMcBethProgramming  5 месяцев назад +464

      That was really funny

    • @emprerking1684
      @emprerking1684 5 месяцев назад +58

      Tbh if you did your time you shoud be reintegrated insted of being branded as unemployable.

    • @mosh.4245
      @mosh.4245 5 месяцев назад +211

      @@emprerking1684 That’s not up to the British state but the British public. He has to live with the consequences of his actions.

    • @MrRoyalbeers
      @MrRoyalbeers 5 месяцев назад

      @@emprerking1684 after wwII we shaved the collaborators and denied them employment anywhere. We don't care about them being reintegrated as we despise traitors.

  • @Veritas.0
    @Veritas.0 5 месяцев назад +1614

    I think we all dodged a bullet when he wasn't allowed to become a cop.

    • @edensdreams2890
      @edensdreams2890 5 месяцев назад +72

      At least he dodged an acorn!

    • @xandervk2371
      @xandervk2371 5 месяцев назад +34

      Yeah, literally.

    • @randomized4368
      @randomized4368 5 месяцев назад +7

      Exactly

    • @icspps
      @icspps 5 месяцев назад +52

      Literally dodged a bullet. Dude would be a liability for any citizen he comes in contact with.

    • @mocast0974
      @mocast0974 5 месяцев назад +17

      As an Arizonan, I agree!

  • @mattt8889
    @mattt8889 5 месяцев назад +88

    Bro is so afraid of medicine, he volunteers to fertilize the fields of Ukraine.

    • @RussianShill
      @RussianShill 4 месяца назад +3

      Say it Louder 👏👏👏

    • @kshep1983
      @kshep1983 Месяц назад

      Yep. I doubt we're going to get to read his memoir.

  • @AndrewTubbiolo
    @AndrewTubbiolo 5 месяцев назад +776

    As a resident of the great state of AZ I'm happy this creep will never have the authority to enforce the law on me or my fellow citizens.

    • @Supersurfer12
      @Supersurfer12 5 месяцев назад +14

      👍👍👍👍👍

    • @aidanpysher2764
      @aidanpysher2764 5 месяцев назад +32

      The dude probably worships Joe Arpaio.

    • @RandomDudeOne
      @RandomDudeOne 5 месяцев назад +49

      Dude threw his life away for refusing a shot which at worst would do nothing for him.

    • @justinchimento5654
      @justinchimento5654 5 месяцев назад +2

      Same

    • @thryce82
      @thryce82 5 месяцев назад +12

      Also a little scary that this is the sort of people that cops will apparently consider... In fairness didn't sound like he went far but still some will slip thru

  • @comfortablynumb9342
    @comfortablynumb9342 5 месяцев назад +2695

    So he left the USA because of a lack of freedom but went to fight for Russia. Wait till he finds out about "freedom" over there.

    • @thatguy7683
      @thatguy7683 5 месяцев назад +80

      I think hes more upset about the false promise of freedom

    • @dx-ek4vr
      @dx-ek4vr 5 месяцев назад +247

      As Forrest Gump would say:
      "Stupid is as Stupid does!"

    • @elmunus1
      @elmunus1 5 месяцев назад +218

      @@thatguy7683 Yeah. He feels betrayed by his country, so he betrayed his country.

    • @ColePhelps61
      @ColePhelps61 5 месяцев назад +104

      You have the freedom to not talk about things you shouldn't be talking about!
      And if you do, you have the freedom of choosing between freely exiting through this window over here, or freely joining your nearest gulag!

    • @comfortablynumb9342
      @comfortablynumb9342 5 месяцев назад

      @@thatguy7683 well in Russia he won't even get a false freedom. He'll be spied on, his movements very limited and restricted, and if he speaks out about it he'll go to jail while he waits for deportation. And they'll take his stuff and money. It's already happened to Americans that moved there and they didn't even fight.
      That guy will likely be used in a human wave type frontal assault. Russian commanders don't value their own troops, but they're happy to send someone else first.

  • @chrispierdominici3891
    @chrispierdominici3891 5 месяцев назад +258

    Hysterical he thinks he'll have more freedom in Russia.

    • @talknight2
      @talknight2 5 месяцев назад +9

      The freedom to express the things he can't in the West.

    • @xiaoka
      @xiaoka 5 месяцев назад +37

      @@talknight2 hatred and intolerance, yes.

    • @talknight2
      @talknight2 5 месяцев назад +6

      @@xiaoka Well yeah, I thought that was obvious

    • @RoscoPColtrane17
      @RoscoPColtrane17 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@xiaokaMore like the hatred and intolerance that he has to experience in America.

    • @johnnyfiveable
      @johnnyfiveable 5 месяцев назад +10

      Wait till he is arrested and charged as a spy.

  • @defenestrated23
    @defenestrated23 5 месяцев назад +579

    Ah yes, the USMC, an organization renowned for its personal freedoms and individual liberties. Then leaving for greener, freer pastures of *checks notes* the Russian military.

    • @CarrotConsumer
      @CarrotConsumer 5 месяцев назад

      Everyone knows the most free organizations are the only ones still legally allowed to force you to join them.

    • @r7calvin
      @r7calvin 5 месяцев назад +28

      Hopefully those RU blocking troops will respect his personal freedoms and bodily autonomy.

    • @Bugsnackers
      @Bugsnackers 5 месяцев назад +2

      I miss the "Cinderella liberty" so much freedom in the Marine Corps.

    • @Pclav
      @Pclav 5 месяцев назад +1

      You sound.... E-6 Army

    • @marklalonde7416
      @marklalonde7416 5 месяцев назад +14

      Yeah.. he's going to get violated by the non gay but actually pretty gay orcs.

  • @89RASMUS
    @89RASMUS 5 месяцев назад +435

    Sounds to me like neither the UK, nor the US will be missing out on much with these lads....

    • @Rampart.X
      @Rampart.X 5 месяцев назад +1

      Some T-folk replaced them.

    • @ImperialMexicancontraguerrila
      @ImperialMexicancontraguerrila 5 месяцев назад +6

      You must give these men their credit and their due.They chose a side and they wanted to fight. So they went and fought. Most people sit on the sidelines and cheer a team, but the outcome in truth doesn't really affect them. They had the will to become your enemy. How many people in reality do that.

    • @HandyMan657
      @HandyMan657 5 месяцев назад +31

      @@Rampart.X Or, Or! Actual soldiers who believe in the oath they swore. Dun Dun Duuunnnn Didn't think of that did ya, scared man?

    • @thecringeinspector5636
      @thecringeinspector5636 5 месяцев назад +9

      @@ImperialMexicancontraguerrila Civilians can have a huge impact on the front aswell, not just frontline troops. Main example would be fundraising projects to arm the troops.

    • @89RASMUS
      @89RASMUS 5 месяцев назад +44

      @@ImperialMexicancontraguerrila So, with the same logic, you'd applaud the people who picked a side and went and fought for the Nazis as well during WW2?
      Not trying to pick a fight or anything. Just trying to understand your way of thinking.

  • @Brocuzgodlocdunfamdogson
    @Brocuzgodlocdunfamdogson 5 месяцев назад +69

    Thank God he wasn’t allowed to become a cop in America.

  • @MamaDisco1313
    @MamaDisco1313 5 месяцев назад +77

    They had COVID 19 vax mandates in Russia too, genius

  • @alaric_
    @alaric_ 5 месяцев назад +446

    There were bunch of Finns who left for the "socialist utopia of Soviet Union", only to find themselves all in a train to Siberia.
    There will always be naive people who think the grass is greener on the other side of the fence ... only to find too late they were wrong.

    • @shadowknight1990o
      @shadowknight1990o 5 месяцев назад +30

      They weren't wrong tho. The Grass was greener. I mean the russians didn't buy all that spray on green paint for nothing!

    • @ZetaMoolah
      @ZetaMoolah 5 месяцев назад +10

      @@shadowknight1990oI heard the Finnish word for screwing up completely is “rossiya” lmao

    • @Nuinwing
      @Nuinwing 5 месяцев назад +36

      ​@@ZetaMoolah it's ryssiä and yep that means to fail at the thing you were doing, can be translated as: do the russian.

    •  5 месяцев назад +10

      Thousands of Finnish red guard refugees in 1918 later ended up in sand pits murdered on Stalin's orders...

    • @MarcosElMalo2
      @MarcosElMalo2 5 месяцев назад +4

      ⁠@@Nuinwing It’s like the running joke in the TV show Community, where one of the characters (Britta) becomes associated with failure. Although I’ll admit an entire country adopting the joke of an entire country fucking up is much more impressive than a TV show’s ongoing gag.
      When I was a kid (in America), we told Polack jokes. We told lots of different racist/nationality jokes because America is the land of equality, but the Polacks were all associated with being dumb. “How many Polacks does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Three. One to climb up the ladder and two to turn the ladder.”
      But we never turned the word Polack or the name of the country into a verb or descriptor for being dumb or doing something dumb.
      I remember taking a Scandinavian vacation and hearing the same joke in Norway and Sweden, the only difference being that the nationalities were switched. In Sweden: Did you hear about the Swedish psychopath that escaped from the insane asylum? They eventually found him teaching school in Norway. And vice versa in Norway.
      National rivalry jokes are as old as the day is long. In the U.S. we also have regional and state rivalry jokes (including a lot of jokes about Texas). But the jokes haven’t entered the vocabulary like Russian jokes have entered the Finnish language. Bravo to the Finns. But the real credit goes to Russia for being so ryssiä. 😂

  • @michellejean11
    @michellejean11 5 месяцев назад +99

    He's mad at the USA for his actions so he went to Russia to fight for a dictator in a war of aggression. Hope he can't come back.

    • @eebox1
      @eebox1 5 месяцев назад +5

      If they let him back into the us he's going to serve prison time though it's more likely that his citizenship will of been revoked and I can imagine that russian passports are receiving many visas these days

    • @bruce640
      @bruce640 5 месяцев назад +14

      He might come back as sunflower seed oil...😅

    • @elvinsmith
      @elvinsmith 4 месяца назад +4

      How people still listen to propaganda

    • @RussianShill
      @RussianShill 4 месяца назад

      ​@@elvinsmiththe GenZ troll pretends to be working with the army or Air Force, to recruit American soldiers.
      Russia had an easier time recruiting Africans to fight for him in Ukraine but Russia targets U.S soldiers to use them for DOD leaks.
      Look up a kid named Matt Dehart.
      He got wrapped up in this before it became a topic on RUclips.
      He was trolled by recruiters who promised him asylum thru the Russian Embassy if he hacked the US government and leaked fake data.

  • @DJchestr
    @DJchestr 5 месяцев назад +960

    Man i glad that guy didn't let the vax ruin his life 😂

    • @khulgarulfsson8067
      @khulgarulfsson8067 5 месяцев назад +152

      It's truly amazing how deadly disinformation can be.

    • @brainfreeze1925
      @brainfreeze1925 5 месяцев назад +70

      Love the sarcasm 🤣

    • @newfaith912
      @newfaith912 5 месяцев назад +36

      🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 He sure got lucky.

    • @2bitTank
      @2bitTank 5 месяцев назад

      massive increase in late stage cancers and all cause mortality. geeeeee i wonder if that has something to do with the experimental gene therapy you accepted into your body without even knowing how it works. lmao

    • @sonkefh
      @sonkefh 5 месяцев назад +13

      😂😂😂😂😂😂 exactly

  • @ColePhelps61
    @ColePhelps61 5 месяцев назад +794

    Obligatory Reagan Soviet Joke:
    An American and a Russian are talking about their countries. The American starts to brag; "In my country, I can walk into the Oval Office, slam my fist on the president's desk, and say "Mr. President, I don't like the way you're running this country!"
    The russian appears unimpressed and says "We can do that in my country." The American says "Really?" Mhm." says the Russian. "I can walk right into the Kremlin, slam my fist on Gorbachev's desk and say "I don't like the way President Reagan is running his country."

    • @thecringeinspector5636
      @thecringeinspector5636 5 месяцев назад +34

      Absolute classic.
      Honestly so glad we joined NATO in 99' and EU in 04', its awesome to be on the right side of history ❤

    • @scepticalbeliever
      @scepticalbeliever 5 месяцев назад +18

      ​@@thecringeinspector5636 Smart move for sure. Look what happened to some of those who didn't join

    • @City1Tiger
      @City1Tiger 5 месяцев назад

      Heres a better one
      "I have to admit, I'm always so impressed by Soviet propaganda. You really know how to get people worked up," the CIA agent says.
      "Thank you," the KGB says. "We do our best but truly, it's nothing compared to American propaganda. Your people believe everything your state media tells them."
      The CIA agent drops his drink in shock and disgust. "Thank you friend, but you must be confused... There's no propaganda in America."

    • @thecringeinspector5636
      @thecringeinspector5636 5 месяцев назад +12

      @@scepticalbeliever yep.. seems like Ukraine is deeply regretting not joining earlier..

    • @Victoratify
      @Victoratify 5 месяцев назад

      Seriously? Directly to the president's office? Some have already gone to the Capitol, believing in freedom. Now their lives are trampled underfoot. And the main provocateur, who has connections with the Democratic Party, is at large. No one even thinks about arresting him. This is truly freedom. The American government decides freely - I will arrest these, but not these.

  • @tdolan500
    @tdolan500 5 месяцев назад +179

    The 5 years in prison is quite a clue.
    “A jobless mercenary who has been disowned by his father and a former National Front member have been labelled an 'absolute disgrace' after becoming the first two British men known to be fighting for Russia in Ukraine.
    Ben Stimson, 48, posted a video on social media this weekend of him standing in front of a Russian flag wearing military fatigues alongside Aiden Minnis, 37, saying: 'Yes, yes, I'm back in Russia, I'm back in uniform.'
    The traitor has posted a number of videos online since he fled to Donetsk in February to join Putin's marauding forces, including sickening footage released last night which showed frontline soldiers walking past two dead bodies.
    In one of his videos, he declares: 'Every man takes his choice... a lot of us, the foreign volunteers, have chosen to come over to this side, to the Russian side.'
    Stimson, who had previously been jailed for assisting pro-Russian militia forces in the Donbass region in 2015, is currently fighting Ukrainian soldiers with the Pyatnashka brigade.
    His 'best British friend in the Russian army' Minnis is a former drug addict and convicted thug from Chippenham, who calls himself a 'Z Patriot' and a 'sapper in the Russian army'.
    The Wiltshire man has also been active on social media recently, championing Putin, hailing the Russian tyrant as 'still the greatest politician on earth' in one of his posts.
    Former British Army commander Colonel Richard Kemp furiously called for the pair to be arrested, raging: 'These two are an absolute disgrace and are traitors who upon their return to the UK should be arrested and jailed.' “
    So just to summarise, he was a vagrant, homeless, a criminal, a heiron addict and a member of a far right movement and was disowned by his own family.
    What exactly did he have for Britain to take from him?

    • @MMuraseofSandvich
      @MMuraseofSandvich 5 месяцев назад +15

      He might say, Britain took his freedom, his dignity, and his future away, but I'm sure the courts can demonstrate that he gave all those away for the low low price of becoming an influencer for the Russian military.

    • @baileygregory9192
      @baileygregory9192 5 месяцев назад +5

      How's he a traitor. How is fighting ukriane, a nation he has no obligation to make him a traitor. If he wanted to go out and fight against his country then yeah but I doubt this bloke would

    • @iMoD190
      @iMoD190 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@MMuraseofSandvichbecause he's fighting for Russia, a nation that does everything it can to oppose British interests, meddle in British politics, attack British infrastructure, and threaten British security.

    • @togiielectricboogaloo6875
      @togiielectricboogaloo6875 5 месяцев назад +25

      ​@baileygregory9192 because he is fighting against britain's (and NATO's in general) interests, aiding the enemy in achieving their goals.

    • @joshuaDstarks
      @joshuaDstarks 5 месяцев назад

      His “values” 😂

  • @GasparGa
    @GasparGa 5 месяцев назад +1647

    "I was incredibly stupid and they kicked me out of both the marines and the police academy, so now I joined the Russians where I'm free to be as stupid as possible"
    Russian propaganda at its finest

    • @Gre-unit
      @Gre-unit 5 месяцев назад +71

      Being stupid is very relatable to the average Russian.

    • @smokedbeefandcheese4144
      @smokedbeefandcheese4144 5 месяцев назад +20

      I mean yeah that’s pretty much what happened like spot on 100% it’s actually amazing how accurate that is

    • @ClydeFrog13
      @ClydeFrog13 5 месяцев назад +87

      Thank god he's not a cop.

    • @GasparGa
      @GasparGa 5 месяцев назад +21

      @@Gre-unit I don't think that's true. I'm sure there are a lot of smart people there, but authoritarian systems try their best to silence smart people.

    • @BloodWoof
      @BloodWoof 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@GasparGa nah, most smart ones immigrated to Germany or usa, that's why there is a brain drain in Russia, Dr. Mike was actually russian and so was his father

  • @snarkyeconomist2141
    @snarkyeconomist2141 5 месяцев назад +215

    As someone who's served in both the National Guard and regular Army, this guy feels like a reservist, not someone on fulltime active duty. That explains him trying to get a job as at a police department while in the Marines.

    • @borrago
      @borrago 5 месяцев назад +16

      I think you are right.

    • @DaiAtlus79
      @DaiAtlus79 5 месяцев назад +16

      exactly. cops will give you time off for military, reservist etc but i think thats it, you cant full time at both, plus as the same time, he may have been trying to cover his bases as i would say he was maybe on the way out for not just the vax refusal, he stinks of having a problem from the day he first polished his boots. i dont think hes in the 70% general discharge category and its maybe why he 'lost' his seat. im wondering if he has warrants now...

    • @stevehicks8944
      @stevehicks8944 5 месяцев назад +30

      If he even served in the Corps. Those boot camp photos are taken in the first phase. It is no guarantee that he didn’t “bilge” out in the second or third phase.

    • @SEAZNDragon
      @SEAZNDragon 5 месяцев назад +17

      I saw LAPD recruiting ads at Camp Pendleton and the process takes several months. I wouldn’t be surprised if the guy started the process prior to discharge or immediately after (ie. send in his application and resume) but when the issue of his discharge came up he got dropped. I also wouldn’t be surprised if they did a social media check too.

    • @DaiAtlus79
      @DaiAtlus79 5 месяцев назад +15

      @@SEAZNDragon yep ive seen it here in canada as well, saw a guy who dated a good friend of mine get rejected because most of his pics on FB were of him being a full on ammosexual, shooting at things with images taped to them, and a ton of gun show pics of him posing very much in a glorified manner, as someone with a less than mature outlook at guns (my family has over a dozen rifles etc but we dont try to look like we are hot for tactical weapons etc). especially now with a few officers on the wrong side of the law (its come out in the media where i am that local cops were heavily involved in trafficking as well as some have gone to jail for sex crimes while on duty, etc. big effort to clean up their image.

  • @GenikaXVI
    @GenikaXVI 5 месяцев назад +39

    Dudes probably have arrest warrants at home thats why they fled lol

  • @Oddball_E8
    @Oddball_E8 5 месяцев назад +639

    Honestly, the amount of Americans that think that freedom means "I get to do whatever I want and I should have no consequences" is... frightening.

    • @Supersurfer12
      @Supersurfer12 5 месяцев назад +22

      It is! Less people want to respect each other.....

    • @Rampart.X
      @Rampart.X 5 месяцев назад +13

      Not as many as Americans who think that freedom is doing what they're told and expecting it to be free of consequences.

    • @RandomDudeOne
      @RandomDudeOne 5 месяцев назад +56

      And they whine about how bad they have it while driving around in their $70,000 extended cab truck.

    • @roland228
      @roland228 5 месяцев назад +10

      Russia is a society where no freedom is imposed upon, especially the freedom to impose on the freedom of others. It's why libertarians like Russia so much and people who think that Russia is more free always imagine that it's themselves imposing on others freedom instead of the other way around.

    • @y0h0p38
      @y0h0p38 5 месяцев назад +27

      @@roland228 I have never seen a libertarian who likes Russia lol. Most libertarians hate even the most libertarian governments there are right now

  • @knpark2025
    @knpark2025 5 месяцев назад +154

    PSA: Remember there was an American soldier stationed in South Korea who fled to North Korea just to get away from the military police. Here, we the "locals" would rather throw ourselves off a bridge than throw ourselves across the demarcation line. One person can be dumb beyond comprehension and it does not change the grand scheme of things.

    • @FarmerDrew
      @FarmerDrew 5 месяцев назад

      Great comment, reminds me of my friend Jim Park and his family's views

    • @takeshikovacs02
      @takeshikovacs02 5 месяцев назад +3

      Joseph Dresnok is probably the guy you're thinking of. He died in 2017, and was one of 7 total defecting US soldiers in the Korean War. You can see a documentary about him on RUclips called "Crossing the Line". It's a weird story, and not a very happy one.

    • @patraic5241
      @patraic5241 5 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@takeshikovacs02 This was the young man in the Army recently who was being sent back to the states to be disciplinary separated from service. He jumped the border and was of course detained by the North Koreans. Now normally when something like that happens NK makes propaganda out of it. However shortly thereafter he was repatriated without fanfare. Apparently he was such a jerk even the North Koreans didn't want him.

  • @chasg5648
    @chasg5648 5 месяцев назад +23

    Early in the time when covid vaccines were becoming available, and some organizations were saying that you needed to be vaccinated to work here, it was remarked that many in management were quietly thrilled that some people were refusing the vaccines and quitting. The bosses were thrilled because these same vaccine refusers were the people they knew were difficult, unhelpful, a pain in the neck, and hard to get rid of, and now these annoying people were "firing" themselves. It was a gift and saved HR the fuss.

    • @kell7195
      @kell7195 5 месяцев назад +6

      Yet those people are still alive 🤷🏼‍♂

    • @Matt_of_the_mountains
      @Matt_of_the_mountains 4 месяца назад

      Yeah personally I was glad to see them go in the military. If you can't follow orders, and like Ryan pointed out we get vaccines for all sorts of stuff, I don't want you watching my back.

    • @TheTee5231976
      @TheTee5231976 4 месяца назад +5

      ​@@kell7195just cuz someone is alive doesn't mean the vaccine was a bad thing. You can't directly correlate the 2 since other factors go into them still being alive and many who got the vaccine are alive as well.

    • @jerricklittle3306
      @jerricklittle3306 4 месяца назад

      @@TheTee5231976 how come half of those vaccines are illegal now

    • @dragonproductions236
      @dragonproductions236 4 месяца назад +1

      @@TheTee5231976 Requiring a vaccine for a mutation prone zoonotic virus is dumb.
      The same principle why mandatory flu vaccines are only required in a few select fields and unlike covid let you opt out due to ADA/Religious reasons.

  • @Mesjasz
    @Mesjasz 5 месяцев назад +420

    00:33 "Nice uniform, almost like Hugo Boss" Not really hiding that fascination with a Austrian failed painter here, are you chap?

    • @Pastrychef90210
      @Pastrychef90210 5 месяцев назад +33

      I heard that too

    • @Tentacl
      @Tentacl 5 месяцев назад +26

      OR he could be stating basically that US uniforms remember those used by the SS boys, since Putin loves to talk about the nazification of Ukraine...

    • @notaspy1227
      @notaspy1227 5 месяцев назад +3

      @@Tentaclhe probably is, but I don't really see it.

    • @PatGilliland
      @PatGilliland 5 месяцев назад +49

      Later he comments on "Saxons and Celts" dealing with the heat - racist little shit.

    • @Tentacl
      @Tentacl 5 месяцев назад +5

      @@notaspy1227 yeah, I don't think they are alike at all. As much as both Putin now and germans in WW2 are in the wrong those uniforms DID look better.

  • @h_in_oh
    @h_in_oh 5 месяцев назад +289

    This is exactly who you don't want a a police officer - someone who wants the freedom to fight militarily without restrictions or consequences.

    • @MrBudPuphin
      @MrBudPuphin 5 месяцев назад +3

      You should probably let the police know about that.

    • @hankhill3446
      @hankhill3446 5 месяцев назад +2

      thats kind of fallacious. soldiers should have the conscious to refuse bad orders bc thats how we prevent terrible things... the debate is wether the jab is a hindrance on medical freedom or not and wether it was appropriate to apply it to his occupation.

    • @AnonD38
      @AnonD38 5 месяцев назад +7

      @@hankhill3446Found the bot.

    • @hankhill3446
      @hankhill3446 5 месяцев назад

      @@AnonD38 genius reply bud

    • @Natmclc7fg
      @Natmclc7fg 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@hankhill3446it’s a little regarded to be concerned about Covid vaccine as a “soldier”. You gotta be a bot or regarded lol

  • @lb2791
    @lb2791 5 месяцев назад +21

    "I thought we had freedom in America" - joins an actual dictatorship.

  • @jaxonl7810
    @jaxonl7810 5 месяцев назад +58

    He is american from Arizona oblast

  • @MrDubyadee1
    @MrDubyadee1 5 месяцев назад +92

    So he joined the Marines in order to find freedom? That makes a lot of sense. So when he didn't find freedom in the Marines he goes to Russia? I think the doctor squeezed too hard on the forceps when he was born. I'm glad he's not a cop.

    • @dontron810
      @dontron810 5 месяцев назад +4

      He's definitely the cop type fs, if it wasn't for covid, he'd be in.

  • @shubashuba9209
    @shubashuba9209 5 месяцев назад +138

    Reminds me of the British girl who joined ISIS, got pregnant with an ISIS fighter three times, and then when ISIS collapsed and her husband died, she tried to come back to the UK only to get her citizenship revoked and was not allowed to come back.

    • @davidhopkins9021
      @davidhopkins9021 5 месяцев назад

      She wasn't British she had a British passport Muslims are not British

    • @weirdo1060
      @weirdo1060 5 месяцев назад +22

      Shemama Begum. She made multiple appeals for return, but was denied. US should consider revoking this guy's citizenship too...

    • @morrit33
      @morrit33 5 месяцев назад +6

      Devils advocate here... Did anyone NOT make a stupid decision at 15? I think she has suffered a lot, and by not showing compassion, it breeds contempt and runs the risk of further atrocities. As I said, devils advocate. I honestly don't know either way. I agree with both arguments...

    • @shubashuba9209
      @shubashuba9209 5 месяцев назад +33

      @@morrit33 Usually, when children make stupid decisions, they don't commit treason.

    • @MrNicoJac
      @MrNicoJac 5 месяцев назад +20

      @morrit33
      Sure, loads of 15 yo's make stupid mistakes.
      But flying abroad to join a califate/insurgency.... that's quite a bit above drinking an entire bottle of liquor. Or stealing a traffic sign and getting caught. Or trying to light a fart on fire.
      Most of those things seem cool in the moment.
      They don't require you getting your passport and booking a plane ticket - the difference is premeditation.
      (and, arguably, joining ISIS is wayyy dumber than stealing a traffic sign - _especially_ if you're a girl)

  • @teddypicker8799
    @teddypicker8799 5 месяцев назад +338

    I'd like to apologise on behalf of the UK for this muppet

    • @peekaboopeekaboo1165
      @peekaboopeekaboo1165 5 месяцев назад

      Deep State muppets

    • @jonthinks6238
      @jonthinks6238 5 месяцев назад +45

      I will apologize on behalf of the US for the ex-marine.

    • @wadadli4sun
      @wadadli4sun 5 месяцев назад

      The muppet has a name. From Oldham, convicted on terrorist charges in 2017, member of the Socialist party, Benjamin Stimson. 🤮

    • @Gantali9305
      @Gantali9305 5 месяцев назад +22

      @@jonthinks6238 Wouldn't worry, for every 1 of these idiots there are 1000 who went and fought to protect civilians in Ukraine.

    • @Being_Joe
      @Being_Joe 5 месяцев назад +1

      You had no choice on the Royal Family. You good.

  • @generalwoundwort8191
    @generalwoundwort8191 5 месяцев назад +547

    Soon to be promoted to KIA....Darwin Award Time

    • @thecringeinspector5636
      @thecringeinspector5636 5 месяцев назад +17

      Floor temperature IQ test gonna be lit 🔥

    • @fabr5747
      @fabr5747 5 месяцев назад

      @@NimmiCat Because no one wants them?
      Americans believe that the world is wide open for them, it is not !
      For an American to work in Europe for example, the company has to prove that no one on the job market is qualified. The company has the burden of proof.
      And many countries required the COVID vaccine for tourists and immigrants. And if you talk about military, there is only France taking in foreign soldiers with a standard mechanism, and they tend to check with there allies for those former soldiers. So unlikely he would be of interest to them. So his choice was very much limited in reality. He chose Trumpism.

    • @City1Tiger
      @City1Tiger 5 месяцев назад +7

      Way to describe the americans fighting for ukraine

    • @Joe-jv5mm
      @Joe-jv5mm 5 месяцев назад +3

      💯% Agree

    • @smokedbeefandcheese4144
      @smokedbeefandcheese4144 5 месяцев назад +3

      It is certainly a possibility when you look at the math in the casualty rates

  • @snapdragon6601
    @snapdragon6601 5 месяцев назад +16

    That guy better hope Russia values him more as a propaganda piece than a trigger puller and keeps him back away from the front lines. The amount of artillery being used in this war is causing enormous casualties on both sides. In addition, Russia doesn't seem to prioritize the lives of its soldiers.

  • @stargrog
    @stargrog 5 месяцев назад +375

    "I couldn't follow orders in the US, so I went to Russia."

    • @xuko6792
      @xuko6792 5 месяцев назад +22

      In Soviet Russia, orders follow You!

    • @turnip5359
      @turnip5359 5 месяцев назад

      Seems like criminals like going to Russia and joining their military

    • @pyro4002
      @pyro4002 5 месяцев назад +28

      To be fair, Russian information warfare is probably a big part of why he refused the order to begin with.

    • @osuk1
      @osuk1 5 месяцев назад

      Vax mandate is unlawful.

    • @TroIIingThemSoftly
      @TroIIingThemSoftly 5 месяцев назад +10

      @@pyro4002 True. And now he gets to be meat.

  • @khulgarulfsson8067
    @khulgarulfsson8067 5 месяцев назад +159

    When the Brit mentions "it is a good uniform, it's almost like Hugo Boss" is that a Nazi reference?

    • @scottessery100
      @scottessery100 5 месяцев назад +49

      yup

    • @dutchschaefer5787
      @dutchschaefer5787 5 месяцев назад +18

      Exactly my thoughts.

    • @crakkbone
      @crakkbone 5 месяцев назад

      It is. They might be conflating the US with nazis

    • @asicdathens
      @asicdathens 5 месяцев назад

      Hugo Boss (the person) designed and made the SS uniforms. After the war the company theoretically denounced their links to the NSDAP (National/Socialist German Workers Party) and paid reparations for slave labor.

    • @twolessba1087
      @twolessba1087 5 месяцев назад +17

      Google the term "dogwhistle".

  • @ancientgamer3645
    @ancientgamer3645 5 месяцев назад +3

    When I was a Marine in Vietnam, we had a guy who deserted to North Vietnam. They told him they didn't trust him because he was a coward who wouldn't fight for his own country and sent him back.

  • @artcamp7
    @artcamp7 5 месяцев назад +108

    Two weeks from now: "I hate it here. I want to come back." also when Russia arrests him: "I'm an AMERICAN"

    • @Supersurfer12
      @Supersurfer12 5 месяцев назад +45

      100% chance of him yelling "I'm an American" when he sees Ukrainians coming close enough to grab him

    • @artcamp7
      @artcamp7 5 месяцев назад +17

      @@Supersurfer12 I didn't even think of that. It will happen guaranteed

    • @WhiskyCardinalWes
      @WhiskyCardinalWes 5 месяцев назад +1

      THAT"S why he has that picture with him. If it goes badly for him, he thinks that pulling out that U.S. passport and that picture will get him out of a POW camp. If the Ukrainians are in the mood for taking prisoners that day...

    • @weirdo1060
      @weirdo1060 5 месяцев назад +14

      There was an old Texas man who married a Russian woman and fought for separatists in Ukraine. Russian forces allegedly killed him because they mistakenly thought that he was a spy. This guy may suffer the same fate…

    • @josephd.5524
      @josephd.5524 5 месяцев назад

      @@weirdo1060 no allegedly there- russia's top propagandist was talking about it. I don't think they were even bothered by the idea.

  • @zeppy2732
    @zeppy2732 5 месяцев назад +57

    Being stupid is like being dead, you don’t know it

    • @bdleo300
      @bdleo300 5 месяцев назад +1

      I'm sure you do.... you're at least one of those :D

  • @lubomirac9287
    @lubomirac9287 5 месяцев назад +58

    The Army kicked my out because I decided that taking orders is not for me...

  • @imnotgivingmyname_toamachine
    @imnotgivingmyname_toamachine 5 месяцев назад +133

    Shit. Bag. Can't wait to hear when he meets uncle HIMARS.

    • @peekaboopeekaboo1165
      @peekaboopeekaboo1165 5 месяцев назад

      Deep State U$A is complicit in massacres and genocide.

    • @jasperzanovich2504
      @jasperzanovich2504 5 месяцев назад +4

      He gets to experience the power of a modern military from the other end.

    • @garcjr
      @garcjr 5 месяцев назад +3

      And Storm Shadow

    • @peekaboopeekaboo1165
      @peekaboopeekaboo1165 5 месяцев назад

      @@jasperzanovich2504
      Deep State USA

    • @bdleo300
      @bdleo300 5 месяцев назад +2

      he'll live longer than u

  • @mattharker9212
    @mattharker9212 5 месяцев назад +63

    When I was in the military and had to get vaccines - the only choice they gave me was right arm or left arm.

    • @Vern-jn2dj
      @Vern-jn2dj 5 месяцев назад +5

      Additionally, he should have learned to read before signing the bottom line; he agreed to "protect democracy" not to take part in it.

    • @toxicslix
      @toxicslix 5 месяцев назад +6

      What??? you had a choice?? Damn.. When I got mine,they just sat me down asked me whether I was left or right handed, then rolled up the opposite... jab.

    • @BAGELMENSK
      @BAGELMENSK 5 месяцев назад

      Plenty of people chose no regardless of what was offered.

    • @sanshinobi3664
      @sanshinobi3664 4 месяца назад

      To be fair, your average vaccine wasn't an alpha test like the ones for COVID were.

    • @kabloosh699
      @kabloosh699 4 месяца назад

      ​@@Vern-jn2djfairly certain practically every job isn't a democracy.
      That said, we aren't a democracy we are a Republic but you also don't lose your right to vote when you join the military. So not only do you get to protect the Republic you still have the right to participate in it while serving it.

  • @lagautmd
    @lagautmd 5 месяцев назад +10

    There's a relatively recent story of a man who moved his family to Russia because he felt it was a more Christian nation, had anti-homosexuality laws and such. Then he found out that as a foreign national he was very restricted in what he could do for work, where he could live, etc. He ended up wanting to leave but couldn't afford the tickets for his family out of the country (or something similar). That is, he learned he had more freedom for everything in the US.

    • @weirdo1060
      @weirdo1060 5 месяцев назад +5

      The Feenstras were actually Canadian. Your description of their botched immigration was correct. Last news from search engine is that they were deported due to visa. They travelled as tourists and could not stay since they failed residency requirements (e.g. learning language, opening bank accounts, etc.)

  • @mattkelly2004
    @mattkelly2004 5 месяцев назад +58

    My money is on that's a high school ROTC picture, and he has always been a ambulance/ police chaser. And he is blowing smoke.

    • @Joe-jv5mm
      @Joe-jv5mm 5 месяцев назад +3

      He will Soon Meet his Maker

    • @peekaboopeekaboo1165
      @peekaboopeekaboo1165 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@Joe-jv5mm
      With Jesus Christ .

    • @cactuscultist_2307
      @cactuscultist_2307 5 месяцев назад +3

      There is no Marine Corps ROTC, that is an actual recruiting training picture every marine gets taken.

    •  5 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@cactuscultist_2307There are high school Marine corps JROTC programs.

    • @drscopeify
      @drscopeify 5 месяцев назад

      Yeah that sounds about right, the Russian army also required COVID vaccine too just like the US army so that is a fake reason why he joined. The COVID vaccine item is propaganda also his military service might be fake as well

  • @euansmith3699
    @euansmith3699 5 месяцев назад +25

    "It is a very good uniform that. Almost like Hugo Boss." 😬😬😬 That dog whistle was so loud that it cleaned the wax right out of my ears.

    • @bdleo300
      @bdleo300 5 месяцев назад +2

      wax and the last traces of brain 😀

  • @craigsurette3438
    @craigsurette3438 5 месяцев назад +56

    I have 0 problem with anyone refusing medical treatment on any grounds whatsoever.
    What I fail to understand is the massive leap in mental gymnastics that goes from "I feel my own country has gotten too authoritarian" to "Im going to help one of my country's defacto enemies invade another country in an Imperialist land grab"

    • @sointu123
      @sointu123 5 месяцев назад +5

      This! Well put!

    • @xiaoka
      @xiaoka 5 месяцев назад

      When your a hammer.... you have to go somewhere they need hammers...

  • @tucsonwilly
    @tucsonwilly 5 месяцев назад +81

    He just threw his life away. Very solid assessment of the video.

    • @peekaboopeekaboo1165
      @peekaboopeekaboo1165 5 месяцев назад +1

      He gave his life for justice !

    • @geerid
      @geerid 5 месяцев назад +8

      @@peekaboopeekaboo1165 yes, that justice is 155mm mortar round🤣

    • @drscopeify
      @drscopeify 5 месяцев назад +4

      @@peekaboopeekaboo1165 What justice? Russian army also required all solders to get the COVID vaccine so the guy is a clown.

    • @jennysue601
      @jennysue601 5 месяцев назад

      Justice would be fighting for Ukraine. Fighting for the vatniks is the opposite of justice.

    • @TheTeddyGuy28
      @TheTeddyGuy28 5 месяцев назад

      @@peekaboopeekaboo1165 At least you acknowledge just going to Russia is inherently giving up his life lol.

  • @dennistate5953
    @dennistate5953 5 месяцев назад +44

    Loving ur humility & logic. If he abandons oath he abandons citizenship far as i'm concerned. Enemy. Nuff said.

    • @peekaboopeekaboo1165
      @peekaboopeekaboo1165 5 месяцев назад

      Patriots against the Deep State .

    • @shadowknight1990o
      @shadowknight1990o 5 месяцев назад

      Let's not do that to him. Last I checked, only citizens can be charged with sedition and treason. most likely the former as we aren't currently in hot war with russia.

  • @NanuqoftheNorth
    @NanuqoftheNorth 5 месяцев назад +81

    Former US Marine: I'm making a video to document my poor life choices that led me to be an outcast in my own country. Also, I'm now fighting for an infamous Russian dictator that denies his citizens all the rights I just told you I care about.

    • @AngPur
      @AngPur 5 месяцев назад

      Marines are known for their stellar decision making

    • @Nitidus
      @Nitidus 5 месяцев назад

      And all of that just because he had to act petty like a stubborn little child because of a f&cking vaccination. The stupidity is outlandish.

    • @jasons44
      @jasons44 4 месяца назад +3

      Outcasts

    • @choppergirl
      @choppergirl 4 месяца назад

      You too, huh

  • @Orandu
    @Orandu 5 месяцев назад +100

    People who get out with anything other than honorable or medical discharge: They always have a story that paints themselves as some kind of hero or victim… they lie to the world because they can’t tell themselves the truth: they effed up somewhere and suffered the consequences.

    • @kribiscus8052
      @kribiscus8052 5 месяцев назад +11

      In this guys case, his own inability to take an L is whats gonna kill him, hes already dead he just doesnt know it yet

    • @jonthinks6238
      @jonthinks6238 5 месяцев назад +4

      You can always get an upgrade in discharge. That is, if you don't do something really stupid afterwards.

    • @jakeaurod
      @jakeaurod 5 месяцев назад +1

      It's not always a lie.

    • @lochlanweatherford5384
      @lochlanweatherford5384 5 месяцев назад +1

      Yeah? What about those kicked out before the repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," many of which still haven't had their discharges upgraded to "honorable?" They didn't "eff up somewhere;" they were just trying to serve their country. It's not as black-and-white as you make it out to be. I don't like this guy any more than the rest of you, but there are many people who really were done dirty.

    • @Orandu
      @Orandu 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@lochlanweatherford5384 tragic heroes, every one; but breaking a rule, even one you think is unfair or that has since been changed, is still breaking a rule. Thanks for proving the point.

  • @Sevenfold120
    @Sevenfold120 5 месяцев назад +73

    Guy was pissed he was told to do something in the Marine corp so he had a temper tantrum and joined the Russian military. Somebody please get this man a box of crayons.

    • @a-human-interface4991
      @a-human-interface4991 5 месяцев назад +5

      Why is it lunch time?

    • @kgjung2310
      @kgjung2310 5 месяцев назад +3

      Those mines aren't going to go off by themselves. Sounds like he found the perfect role.

    • @oldjarhead386
      @oldjarhead386 5 месяцев назад

      I guess you got your own spin on what he said.

    • @Sevenfold120
      @Sevenfold120 5 месяцев назад

      @@oldjarhead386 Would love to hear yours.

  • @mosienko1983
    @mosienko1983 5 месяцев назад +6

    There were plenty of things I didn't think I "needed" when in the Navy. Had to take them anyway. That's the way it works.

  • @Normandy1944
    @Normandy1944 5 месяцев назад +99

    Basic training pic, basic training pic.....MOM, where's my basic training pic...I need to show I didn't progress beyond that and my claims of declined promotion were BS. Since I say I was also in process to join a police dept as another excuse to try to verify I'm truly a moron to lie about this.

    • @z0phi3l
      @z0phi3l 5 месяцев назад +6

      It's funny, needed a pic of me in uniform for a work thing, glad mom still had one somewhere

    • @jakeaurod
      @jakeaurod 5 месяцев назад +10

      You don't even have to finish basic training to get a basic training pic. My friend still posts a pic of himself in a Marine Corps Dress Blues on November 10 and 11, despite never finishing due to an injury. I don't recall when photos are taken, but I left MCRD before I ever saw Dress Blues.

    • @Normandy1944
      @Normandy1944 5 месяцев назад

      @@z0phi3l Maybe the Russians require it for work verification...errrr, um identification

  • @eldergeeks7301
    @eldergeeks7301 5 месяцев назад +44

    I see a Boot, who joined at 17 or 18,
    1. had an "Complete Secondary Training, Promoted to Lance (E-3) deal,"
    2. was told, "Oh yeah, your enlistment as a marine get you a pass into the police department."
    3. started having discipline issues or failing out from grades
    4. Final straw was kicked because vaccine mandates

    • @goforbroke4428
      @goforbroke4428 5 месяцев назад +1

      Didn’t know marines gave e-3 like the army. Thought E-2 was the highest you could get without college.

    • @eldergeeks7301
      @eldergeeks7301 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@goforbroke4428 I don't know if they do, it's an educated assumption. I just know I got a similar deal as a squid, (6YO - Made E-4 out of A-School)

    • @goforbroke4428
      @goforbroke4428 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@eldergeeks7301 if you don’t know for certain, why say what you did? Pipe down little sailor.

    • @eldergeeks7301
      @eldergeeks7301 5 месяцев назад +3

      @@goforbroke4428 wow... why so disrespectful? Seems an over reaction.
      But to smooth your ruffled feathers, I did a quick internet search.
      "Is it possible for a recruit to become an E3 right after Marine Corp boot camp?"
      I found multiple instances of this happening.
      Generally does require the Recruit to be top of his Boot class, earning a meritorious promotion.
      So... yeah, I didn't do the search originally, but made an educated assumption. Offering promotions out of boot is a way to incentivize recruitment.
      So, yes, it is very possible for a recruit to earn or be promoted to E-3 out of Marine Boot camp.

  • @theodurnayne3874
    @theodurnayne3874 5 месяцев назад +9

    Task and purpose published an article a few hours ago. Dude was a bulk fuel specialist from 2019 to 2022

    • @xiaoka
      @xiaoka 5 месяцев назад +1

      Hey now! This guy was on his way to be on track to possibly eventually becoming a lance corporal!

    • @theodurnayne3874
      @theodurnayne3874 5 месяцев назад

      @@xiaoka Lmao just to get non recced until he gets out lolol

  • @ragnakok7973
    @ragnakok7973 5 месяцев назад +36

    I have my own beliefs about the vax, but when you join, you join for the cause and not for yourself. My sister couldn’t even count the amount of vaccines she received as an army translator in Iraq.

    • @swirvinbirds1971
      @swirvinbirds1971 5 месяцев назад

      Yep. You know this stuff when you sign-up. They were booting guys out for not taking the Anthrax vaccine when I was in. It's nothing new.

    • @peekaboopeekaboo1165
      @peekaboopeekaboo1165 5 месяцев назад

      Deep State U$A

    • @ChucksSEADnDEAD
      @ChucksSEADnDEAD 5 месяцев назад +5

      But didn't the courts side with the troops?
      You take a laundry list of shots when you deploy to countries where diseases we have erradicated exist. But in part we have erradicated them because we had decades of well developed shots which blocked transmission.
      The stuff was experimental, so the discharges could be reversed. At least last time I checked, I haven't kept up with the legal challenges.

    • @cameronnovy3718
      @cameronnovy3718 5 месяцев назад +3

      @@ChucksSEADnDEAD Exactly, the problem was that the vaccines were new and considered ‘emergency use’, nobody should be forced to undergo any kind of unproven medical procedures.

    • @swirvinbirds1971
      @swirvinbirds1971 5 месяцев назад

      Yep. This is nothing new. When I served guys were getting kicked out for not taking the Anthrax vaccine. I knew guys that refused taking it to get out of deploying to Korea.
      You volunteered to serve, no one made you.

  • @anzelmasmatutis2500
    @anzelmasmatutis2500 5 месяцев назад +27

    So, he went to Russia where vaccination with Russian Sputnic was mandatory too :P

    • @SuperBubba01
      @SuperBubba01 5 месяцев назад

      RT Germany: Vaccination is harmful.
      RT Russia: You need to vaccinated like Putin .....
      Good old 2020.....

    • @mipa8581
      @mipa8581 5 месяцев назад

      I'm happy you bring this up- I think the whole invasion of Ukraine was indeed planned out since 2014, but I think covid is what made it become a reality. For reasons that you mentioned, Putin's popularity during covid was tanking and he needed an "easy" (lol) win. Kind of like Georgia in 2008, in the midst of a recession and 4 months after the NATO Bucharest summit where NATO made it official policy to eventually ingrate Georgia and Ukraine (article 23) into NATO. For Putin, war is but politics by other means.

    • @enricol5974
      @enricol5974 5 месяцев назад +2

      They told him this is a satellite not a vaccine😊😊

  • @sergeyb8
    @sergeyb8 5 месяцев назад +10

    This is Scott Ritter jr LMAO.
    Fd up in personal life so bad that can't find a job

    • @TheSpineOfTheWorld
      @TheSpineOfTheWorld 5 месяцев назад +1

      Junior? Does that mean this one will go after even younger kids?

  • @Hairysteed
    @Hairysteed 5 месяцев назад +149

    -Where you from?
    -Eugene, Oregon
    -What are you doing in a Kraut uniform?!
    -Volksdeutsche. All true Aryans should join the fatherland. I answered the call.

    • @robertb8629
      @robertb8629 5 месяцев назад +3

      Except we aren't officially at war with Russia

    • @artzilla3
      @artzilla3 5 месяцев назад +33

      captian spears: "cigarette?"

    • @NotKewl
      @NotKewl 5 месяцев назад +4

      @@artzilla3
      Uhh n-no thanks

    • @Kastrenzo74
      @Kastrenzo74 5 месяцев назад +4

      @@robertb8629 Just unofficially.

    • @robertb8629
      @robertb8629 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@Kastrenzo74 yeah but officially and unofficially have big differences. We were officially at war with Germany.

  • @syntheticsandwich190
    @syntheticsandwich190 5 месяцев назад +261

    So basically he’s a traitor

    • @ferretyluv
      @ferretyluv 5 месяцев назад +30

      Exactly.

    • @panciolle83
      @panciolle83 5 месяцев назад

      and those who fight for the Ukrainian Nazis?

    • @time8041
      @time8041 5 месяцев назад +7

      @@Rampart.X You have forgot THE article, tovarish.

    • @stevehicks8944
      @stevehicks8944 5 месяцев назад

      Is the U.S. at war with Russia? Has Russia declared war against the U.S.? Try reading 18 USC 2381 then draw your conclusions.

    • @andreasfjellborg1810
      @andreasfjellborg1810 5 месяцев назад +8

      Same as all those going to Ukraine to fight for their side as mercenaries or volunteers?.

  • @Resartusgaming
    @Resartusgaming 5 месяцев назад +6

    “I don’t need that.”
    Am I the only one waiting for a Drill Serg to run in with the knife hand screaming “NEEEEED?!?”

  • @Militaria-pr9rj
    @Militaria-pr9rj 5 месяцев назад +41

    It’s probably for the best that this guy didn’t get promoted in the marines or become a police officer.

    • @MrBrianLL
      @MrBrianLL 5 месяцев назад +4

      true

    • @craftpaint1644
      @craftpaint1644 5 месяцев назад +2

      Just reading "promoted" and "Marines" in the same sentence crosses my eyes 🥴

  • @evilflame2
    @evilflame2 5 месяцев назад +19

    I think he is too comfortable with Celsius, that's kind of suspicious for someone from Arizona. The way he says "not fur some of us" at 1:19 is suspicious, how hard he pronounces the t and the u sound in for, like he was tripping up on an American accent.

    • @ChucksSEADnDEAD
      @ChucksSEADnDEAD 5 месяцев назад +2

      If you have no thermometers with Fahrenheit you have to use the Celsius readout.
      No matter how uncomfortable you are with Celsius, if you're asked the temperature and you're holding a thermometer with a °C readout, you're answering in °C instead of trying to convert it to °F in your head.
      If the road signs are in km he's not going to use miles either. It's not about comfort, he literally doesn't have the information about miles.

    • @hackbrettschorsch6855
      @hackbrettschorsch6855 5 месяцев назад +1

      Not really, considering he was probably around people thinking in Celsius for a longer time already.

    • @ohcrap2222
      @ohcrap2222 5 месяцев назад +1

      I don't catch that the first time. Yeah all of his wording is really off.

    • @XDSDDLord
      @XDSDDLord 5 месяцев назад

      I have lived in the US for over 20 years now, and I still can't wrap my head around Ferenheight. When I look at my car's dash, which only gives me the temperature in F, I find it nearly impossible to tell what the temperature is, so when it comes up, and it has, I tell people, "74F whatever that means." At work, our thermostats are in F. I figured out that 74F feels similar to my room at home; I keep it around 23c.

  • @censorsstarve
    @censorsstarve 5 месяцев назад +6

    If he can't join the arizona police academy, then it was a dishonorable discharge. At least according to them that is one of their only disqualifiers after having a felony conviction and no hs diploma/ged.

  • @mikeblasko841
    @mikeblasko841 5 месяцев назад +13

    From a cop of 30 years this guy is full of crap!

  • @Curraghchase
    @Curraghchase 5 месяцев назад +29

    He didn’t want a COVID shot so instead he became an Orc. Well thoughts and prayers Meat.

  • @therealjammit
    @therealjammit 5 месяцев назад +63

    Allow me to translate:
    "I refused a lawful direct order and didn't get a promotion so I threw a tantrum".

    • @mistergoodfellow5847
      @mistergoodfellow5847 5 месяцев назад +4

      Correct interpretation: I refused an unconstitutional order, and an immoral order, because I'm not someone who bends those to the wills of an earthly government.
      And no, this is NOT me justifying him fighting for Russia, or involving himself in that conflict.

    • @therealjammit
      @therealjammit 5 месяцев назад

      @@mistergoodfellow5847 Earthly government? He was a traitor before he joined then.

    • @Adi-bo5do
      @Adi-bo5do 4 месяца назад

      @@mistergoodfellow5847 Vaccines have saved lives for 60 years
      Religious politics is irrelevant

    • @TheTee5231976
      @TheTee5231976 4 месяца назад +5

      When you become a part of the military you sign your body and life away during your service. He chose not to follow a direct order and he had to face his consequences. Freedom gives you the choice but doesn't give you a pass from the consequences of your actions.

    • @jerricklittle3306
      @jerricklittle3306 4 месяца назад

      @@TheTee5231976 there shouldn't be a consequence for an unlawful order, which by the way the military quickly rolled back on its mandate because it was unlawful and immoral.

  • @The_Foolish_Fool
    @The_Foolish_Fool 5 месяцев назад +470

    How to lose your US citizenship 101

    • @An_Attempt
      @An_Attempt 5 месяцев назад

      You have no idea how hard it is to lose US citizenship, it is as much a branding as a blessing. They view you as cattle, mostly for tax purposes. That said this guy is a traitor, and would probably face capital punishment if the US entered direct conflict.

    • @enoughrope1638
      @enoughrope1638 5 месяцев назад +29

      The US doesn't revoke citizenship. There are almost no mechanisms to. IIRC Congress can if he becomes a monarch of a foreign nation but short of that he would have to willingly surrender it.

    • @City1Tiger
      @City1Tiger 5 месяцев назад +7

      And US citizen fighting for ukraine is a good thing? 😂😂

    • @AdamMPick
      @AdamMPick 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@enoughrope1638 Trump introduced the Denaturalisation Section of the Justice Department, which's sole purpose is to revoke citizenships. The US has a long history of revoking citizenship. Mostly for undisclosed ties to Nazies or Communism and for a few years now for undisclosing you partook in genocide.
      On annother note, this might be an "Expatriating act under INA section 349(a)(3)", as the service is voluntary. So the USA would not revoke his citizenship, he signaled his intent to relinquish the US citizenship, by fighting for annother country. That only applies to officers or when the army he joined is in a conflict with the USA.

    • @itsjustaline
      @itsjustaline 5 месяцев назад +108

      @@City1Tigeryes , actually

  • @Ribberflavenous
    @Ribberflavenous 5 месяцев назад +42

    I find it comical that he had to freedom to refuse the shots, freedom to relocate to Russia and the freedom to express his views, and how he is in a place that criminalizes speech against the government, immigration out of the country and I am willing to bet that _IF_ the military cared enough about their readiness to keep them healthy, he will have a choice about getting a shot. It is a long standing feeling of mine that if you want to know if you are free, ask if you are free to leave.

    • @workingclasschump
      @workingclasschump 5 месяцев назад +12

      Yep. My rule of thumb is "check which way the barbed wire fence faces to tell which is the freedom side."

    • @MonkeyJedi99
      @MonkeyJedi99 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@workingclasschump That's a good guideline!

  • @America395
    @America395 5 месяцев назад +12

    To be rejected by police you got to be super dumb

    • @bdleo300
      @bdleo300 5 месяцев назад +1

      Ah, you then...

    • @mistershekel3054
      @mistershekel3054 4 месяца назад

      More likely he was on track to joining the police AFTER his contract with the Marines was up. Because he was an other than honorable due to the covid mandate, he couldn't be a police officer.
      You all really need to do your research when you post this shit.

  • @hokkienlanggaming8556
    @hokkienlanggaming8556 5 месяцев назад +54

    *Flashback*That one scene from Band of Brothers where that guy from Eugene, Oregon is fighting for Nazi Germany

    • @scottessery100
      @scottessery100 5 месяцев назад +6

      remind me what happened to him....

    • @joecool2810
      @joecool2810 5 месяцев назад +11

      @@scottessery100 *bang*

    • @zombiTrout
      @zombiTrout 5 месяцев назад +19

      ⁠@@scottessery100Lt Spiers gave him a cigarette….

    • @DoctorProph3t
      @DoctorProph3t 5 месяцев назад +2

      “Oh yeah hey I’ll see you round!”
      *bang*

    • @hokkienlanggaming8556
      @hokkienlanggaming8556 5 месяцев назад

      @@scottessery100 He got an offer he couldn't refuse

  • @ziggyc3004
    @ziggyc3004 5 месяцев назад +67

    Are we allowed to call our own traitors? Who goes to fight for the enemy against our own security interests?

    • @gmvs62
      @gmvs62 5 месяцев назад

      You mean the liberals security interests. Everybody doesn’t agree with liberal foreign policy.

    • @thepsychicspoon5984
      @thepsychicspoon5984 5 месяцев назад +12

      At this point, I would. What disturbs me the most is the reason why many join Russia.
      Hint: It's a religious issue.

    • @codyprice4592
      @codyprice4592 5 месяцев назад +11

      In also sure Marines still in can look up this dudes name on MOL in the personnel section...if he exists. Id like to see if anyone can verify.

    • @brentsutherland6385
      @brentsutherland6385 5 месяцев назад +3

      @@thepsychicspoon5984 You think he's Russian Orthodox?

    • @CyclingAMP
      @CyclingAMP 5 месяцев назад +5

      Guess we gotta give thous Russia fans a taste of Russian freedom so they realize the privilege they have in the country that they're so mad at

  • @rdpeach
    @rdpeach 5 месяцев назад +4

    Man 25 yrs ago in the military, I got...so many vaccines and needles before any tasking. I got 12 one afternoon once, and here I am today. Wooo boy a needle

  • @TriplicateTrey
    @TriplicateTrey 5 месяцев назад +58

    Is he actually from Arizona though?
    It sounds like he drops accent a few times by mistake.
    Kinda like how Andrew Tate can’t figure out if he is bri-TISH or not

    • @bilic8094
      @bilic8094 5 месяцев назад +5

      He definitely sounds American he's certainly not British or Australian.

    • @MrHeHim
      @MrHeHim 5 месяцев назад +12

      as hot as Arizona? 37-38c? WAT!! that's a cool day in Arizona 😅summers there are on average 41c and normally jump to 46c

    • @CaptainCheeriso
      @CaptainCheeriso 5 месяцев назад +14

      He's not from Arizona. 38c is only 100F. It regularly is 113+ (45c).

    • @jaxonl7810
      @jaxonl7810 5 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@bilic8094says Florida man

    • @bilic8094
      @bilic8094 5 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@MrHeHimMaybe he's a Florida man.

  • @adamstotsky2216
    @adamstotsky2216 5 месяцев назад +37

    Well, I hope he doesn’t plan on coming back to the US

    • @Twitch760
      @Twitch760 5 месяцев назад +1

      The bad thing is this guy could do that. We technically aren't at war with Russia. My opinion is the law needs to change and this guy needs his citizenship revoked.

  • @Synthetic-Rabbit
    @Synthetic-Rabbit 5 месяцев назад +5

    That's a dumb, little kid... He put himself into a very dangerous situation.

  • @leonkenedy4616
    @leonkenedy4616 5 месяцев назад +70

    Imagine your grand parents had to hid under their desks each time the nuclear attack drill starts so their stupid grand son came and switch sides. Pathetic.

    • @mrico523
      @mrico523 5 месяцев назад +4

      Imagine living on the other side, in Eastern Europe, hiding under a desk, because the Americans struck a deal with the Soviets about how the world gets divided between them. Nobody asked us and nobody is asking us yet again. Superpower pissing contest = our dead bodies.

    • @iampchan083
      @iampchan083 5 месяцев назад +2

      To be fair, our grandparents also remember buying a house for $50K, not worrying about illegal immigration, hosing down protestors for entertainment, and watching Joe Biden run for office for the first time. To hell with the rest of the world, we need to fix our own house first!

    • @obligatoryusername7239
      @obligatoryusername7239 5 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@mrico523There was hardly ever a deal at all. Yalta was a formality, most of what would become the Iron Curtain had already been taken by Soviet troops before then and nothing but a war (which no one was willing to wage) could have made Moscow give up that "buffer". Yalta was America accepting reality.

    • @spacemanx9595
      @spacemanx9595 5 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@mrico523Ruzzia isn't a superpower lmao

    • @FacitOmniaVoluntas.
      @FacitOmniaVoluntas. 5 месяцев назад +3

      @@mrico523Did you just call Russia a superpower? 😂 Russia isn’t the Soviet Union mate. All they have is a mid-level economy, demographic issues. They had a large military that has now lost 60% of its combat platforms, but even at full size it was outdated and far from a military superpower.

  • @alexander3364
    @alexander3364 5 месяцев назад +122

    Anti Vaxxer came to Russia for freedom lmao

    • @rincontibio7664
      @rincontibio7664 5 месяцев назад +26

      Also funny that Russia was among the first one's to start mandatory vaccination back in 2021

    • @Pottan23
      @Pottan23 5 месяцев назад

      They don't know Russia pipelined the Sputnik vaccine and made it mandatory lol
      Edit: It wasn't mandatory but Putin himself urged people to get jabbed

    • @zacharywiedner327
      @zacharywiedner327 5 месяцев назад +21

      The best part is Russia had an AGGRESSIVELY mandatory vaccine policy.

    • @scepticalbeliever
      @scepticalbeliever 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@zacharywiedner327due to the typical Russian corruption it didn't really work

    • @Whatsupwiththisname
      @Whatsupwiththisname 5 месяцев назад +8

      They literally had to walk with QR codes and were quarantined by street cameras

  • @jamesj9537
    @jamesj9537 4 месяца назад +3

    This guy joined the military and expected free choice? They own you while you’re enlisted 😂

  • @Trigger_Treats
    @Trigger_Treats 5 месяцев назад +11

    Are we taking bets on long before he gets to the "Find Out" stage of FAFO?

    • @blairhoughton7918
      @blairhoughton7918 5 месяцев назад +3

      If he's had his 12 hours of Russian basic training he could already be fertilizer.

  • @arnevontorgau9311
    @arnevontorgau9311 5 месяцев назад +50

    He will have a short unvaccinated live in the russian army. Nobody will know his grave.

    • @RedWingsninetyone
      @RedWingsninetyone 5 месяцев назад +8

      He may get preferential treatment and assignments. They may deem him a valuable asset either strategically or propaganda wise.

    • @ghazkull1919
      @ghazkull1919 5 месяцев назад +7

      @@RedWingsninetyoneI don’t think Russia thinks that far ahead by the time anyone important sees this and says save this guy he quite possibly is already dead

    • @RedWingsninetyone
      @RedWingsninetyone 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@ghazkull1919 you'd probably be surprised. There were Americans that defected to North Korea after the Korean war. They were treated very well (by comparison to the average citizen there) and given roles playing Americans in North Korean movies. When they eventually tried to leave and got caught, the North Koreans were expected to punish them severely but they were actually upset that they treated the Americans poorly enough to make them want to leave that they sweetened the pot for them. I'm not saying Russia is North Korea by any means, but don't think they'd waste a propaganda opportunity if they could take advantage of it.

    • @Raydenalonzogmail
      @Raydenalonzogmail 5 месяцев назад +2

      ⁠@@RedWingsninetyonethe fact he’s in a field tent he’s on the front. He’s getting the same treatment, they’re literally drenched with sweat lol.

    • @stevehicks8944
      @stevehicks8944 5 месяцев назад

      Precisely

  • @nateborck4577
    @nateborck4577 5 месяцев назад +3

    As a former valet, I did hate my life, kinda, but i was free to pull out of it, get married, go back to school, and now I do IT. So I am free to be stupid, but also free to improve and re-invent myself. I am not free from the consequences, good and bad, of my choices.

  • @tiredagain6722
    @tiredagain6722 5 месяцев назад +41

    Never heard of anyone joining the military and not getting shots, shots, shots 😮

    • @Idaho-Cowboy
      @Idaho-Cowboy 5 месяцев назад

      Agreed, but I've heard some interesting stories about Gulf War Syndrome. There's plenty of evidence that's come across the even mainstream wires about issues with the vaccines. None of which justifies switching teams to fight with the Russians. I would guess that Russia isn't as kind to not following those kind of orders.

    • @ajkulac9895
      @ajkulac9895 5 месяцев назад +6

      @@Rampart.X Just the one Trump / MAGA people told him to refuse.

    • @randy804
      @randy804 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@Rampart.Xthe Trump jab is fake?

    • @jonthinks6238
      @jonthinks6238 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@ajkulac9895Wrong

    • @ChucksSEADnDEAD
      @ChucksSEADnDEAD 5 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@ajkulac9895 I remember when it was Trump's jab and people were refusing it because Warp Speed was Trump's program.

  • @theaureliasys6362
    @theaureliasys6362 5 месяцев назад +5

    Him refusing the vaccine might have also been directly the reason why he lost his post as police officer maybe.

  • @ChristosTsotsoras
    @ChristosTsotsoras 5 месяцев назад +3

    Imagine this person as a LEO telling you: "This is the law! You have to follow the law!"?

  • @wmst5065
    @wmst5065 5 месяцев назад +8

    Ryan's anthrax shot, _Hey guys, it's pretty scary in here._
    How bad is it?
    _Have you've ever seen Fantastic Voyage?_

  • @Jack_Redview
    @Jack_Redview 5 месяцев назад +4

    TLDR - I was an idiot before and I am here to be among idiots

  • @g3523jaen
    @g3523jaen 5 месяцев назад +25

    Officer: Take that trench over there soldier. You will probably die, but do your duty.
    Soldier: Yes sir!
    Officer: Take this vaccine where there is a 0.00001% chance of complication
    Soldier: My freedom bro. I take my own orders.

  • @comfortablynumb9342
    @comfortablynumb9342 5 месяцев назад +23

    So what happens to an American joins Russia to fight and later they want to come back? Can they return after fighting against our foreign policy goals?

    • @cyan_oxy6734
      @cyan_oxy6734 5 месяцев назад

      I guess you're denied entry because you lost your citizenship or you go to prison or something in between. I mean CivDiv is fighting for Ukraine and he gets interrogated every time he goes back to the US so they're definitely on this kind of stuff.

    • @gmvs62
      @gmvs62 5 месяцев назад +9

      What do you mean by our? You think all Americans agree on foreign policy?

    • @comfortablynumb9342
      @comfortablynumb9342 5 месяцев назад +25

      @@gmvs62 okay, the government's policy. You knew what I meant.

    • @TheBKnight3
      @TheBKnight3 5 месяцев назад

      The most recent examples are US citizens that went to join ISIS.
      I'm guessing they will be denied entry at all costs.

    • @MrBrianLL
      @MrBrianLL 5 месяцев назад +12

      He has to think about surviving the Russian meat grinder first. I would think not since he is obviously a traitor.

  • @RussellWarshay
    @RussellWarshay 5 месяцев назад +5

    I wish Seth William Baker all the best in his quest for a Darwin Award.

  • @shaneb315
    @shaneb315 5 месяцев назад +3

    Its fair to say , his life may end by a weapon made and supplied by the country of his birth and later served for .

  • @GnosticAtheist
    @GnosticAtheist 5 месяцев назад +5

    No that it is of any relevance. They represent themselves only, no matter what side they are on.

  • @jonascelentano9251
    @jonascelentano9251 5 месяцев назад +26

    Imagine turning traitor over this 🙄

    • @sergiom9958
      @sergiom9958 5 месяцев назад +2

      The free man who chooses to go over to Russia to fight for what he belives right is a traitor yet the free man who chooses to serve in an army which is ilegally invading Syria and Irak is a "hero". Check your value system.

    • @beckeliasson8465
      @beckeliasson8465 5 месяцев назад

      Yes ​@@sergiom9958

    • @jonascelentano9251
      @jonascelentano9251 5 месяцев назад +6

      @@sergiom9958 cope harder vald

    • @spacemanx9595
      @spacemanx9595 5 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@sergiom9958ok vatnik

    • @bdleo300
      @bdleo300 5 месяцев назад

      @@spacemanx9595 slava uranus! go join bandera after you change joe's diapers

  • @shyamdevadas6099
    @shyamdevadas6099 5 месяцев назад +3

    Out of any batch of servicemen, you'll always find someone who is seriously unhappy. This kid wouldn't be the first Marine to offer his services to the Russians.

  • @MrHerrS
    @MrHerrS 5 месяцев назад +4

    Tbh. you guys in the States can call you lucky, this guy will never work for the police. Going from refusing the vaccination (totally fine) to fighting for Russia in an active war, let’s you imagine what could have happened if you don’t obey his, maybe questionable, order as a policeman.

  • @abemartinez8844
    @abemartinez8844 5 месяцев назад +55

    What an embarrasment to the country.

    • @jonthinks6238
      @jonthinks6238 5 месяцев назад +5

      For both countries.

    • @abemartinez8844
      @abemartinez8844 5 месяцев назад +5

      @@jonthinks6238 lol agree 👍

    • @kurtwicklund8901
      @kurtwicklund8901 5 месяцев назад

      Why?

    • @geerid
      @geerid 5 месяцев назад +2

      but hey, at least they volunterily joined the suicide squad. They can't blame no one for that

    • @abemartinez8844
      @abemartinez8844 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@geerid uuuggghhhh yeah I can especially if he took tax payers money for the training/benefits he received or is receiving from our military.
      Fuck that he could have been medically discharged or on disability while fighting for the enemy and getting paid to do so indirectly!!
      No sir this is a bigger problem than letting him just go die I want my money back! Lol

  • @jacobbergen3586
    @jacobbergen3586 5 месяцев назад +1

    No one from Arizona is going to say 37 degrees is hot. One might say something about the humidity but 37c is October weather

  • @Iamthelolrus
    @Iamthelolrus 5 месяцев назад +7

    He's bitching about 37c? It was 42 here in tucson 3 days ago...

    • @MaxVerhaag
      @MaxVerhaag 5 месяцев назад

      the difference in climate can do a LOT to how you experience temperature, here in the netherlands due to the humidity at 35+ i will melt while when i was in morocco i was warm but still comfortable

  • @JakeWilcox-yh8xl
    @JakeWilcox-yh8xl 5 месяцев назад +3

    That british guy made me feel sick. Can't be employed because he fought for Russia, then blamed the government for it, his own family disowned him.
    Wait until he finds out what Russians do to foreigners who want to help (Russel Bentley comes to mind).

  • @darylmorning
    @darylmorning 4 месяца назад +1

    Looked like he was reading at a cue card.

  • @silveryuno
    @silveryuno 5 месяцев назад +54

    He ruined his career because he was afraid of a needle...

    • @Supersurfer12
      @Supersurfer12 5 месяцев назад +25

      You have to admit that is pretty funny. He was scared an injection could hurt him so he fled to trench warfare with drones

    • @Rampart.X
      @Rampart.X 5 месяцев назад +12

      Don't forget to get your umpteenth booster!

    • @willmannn
      @willmannn 5 месяцев назад +17

      @@Rampart.X How are people still this mad about being pressured to get a vaccine during a pandemic? Move on and get a life, guy who leaves 50 comments on one video.

    • @armyfazer1410
      @armyfazer1410 5 месяцев назад

      @@willmannnmaybe because the government attempting to force untested and now known detrimental “vaccines “ on its citizens should piss people off.

    • @ChucksSEADnDEAD
      @ChucksSEADnDEAD 5 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@willmannn "move on and get a life" says person who had nuclear rage about this issue back in 2021 lul
      You people were the ones who wouldn't want to just move on and let go. Still waiting for that winter of d3ath and darkness or whatever the Pres said in that speech. Ominus stuff, really.

  • @Tiax776
    @Tiax776 5 месяцев назад +4

    Stupid is as stupid does.

  • @Spectre11B
    @Spectre11B 5 месяцев назад +2

    When I was in, you had to go through a gauntlet and they had a mattress at the end for those that would pass out. You'd see shoulders bleeding and you had no idea what they were injecting you with. The idea that you could refuse never occurred to any of us.