Cheaper to Build or Buy Kitchen Cabinets?!
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Hey brother, I'm a cabinet maker professionally. So I was just gonna point out a couple things. Use them if you like, it's your house. I just thought it might make it a little easier on you. On your lower cabinets the 1/4" back with the 3/4" plywood to fasten them to the wall is perfect. So nice work, however on your upper cabinets. All you need is a solid 1/2" plywood back, on those and then you can screw through the back into the 3/4" sides and shelves to attach the back. It's also much easier to install your drawer slides in the shop. Because you can lay the cabinets on there side while you install them. I'd recommend a solid 1/2" back on the pantry as well. Anyhow, I'm a long time viewer and love the channel! Just wanted to help make it easier if I could! Thanks for the content. Until next time, take it easy!!
(I've built and installed lot of 15+ thousand dollar kitchen cabinet setups, so I'm not a keyboard know-it-all. Just trying to help.)
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@@Chris_and_Two_Little_Gamers thank you very much, I appreciate that!
I know your comment is older, but is there a reason you’d recommend 1/2 inch for the uppers?
Probably too late, but your future self will thank you if you prime the drywall behind the cabinets. Helps prevent the drywall absorbing moisture and odurs.
isn't it also required that drywall at least has a layer of tape + mud per code?
Should have finished the drywall and other nearby walls before attaching the cabinets. I appreciate his enthusiasm but anyone that sees this video and does it the same way will be tortured.
Nice build. Kitchen designer here. TLDR: 3K for cabinets with this quality of construction is really good but it would be difficult for a novice or even beginner woodworker to pull off. Diamond Now is no longer sold at Lowe's (they moved to Project Source), but when it was they had white, grey, and a rustic hickory cabinet. They were also made of 1/2" particle board. Lowe's offers a Plywood cabinet with soft close doors and drawers that usually comes in in a couple of days (Reliabuilt) but only comes in white or espresso for color and shaker for style. That cost would be closer to 6,000-8,000 for a kitchen this size. Diamond Express is not available at all Lowes yet but has more colors and door styles and is an intermediate step between the cabinets in stock at the store and warehouse and the next step up. The next step up would be something semi-custom which could be as much as 10,000-30,000 for a kitchen this size depending on the customizations you want to make, the color, the door style, and brand you choose. TLDR: 3K for cabinets with this quality of construction is really good but it would be difficult for a novice or even beginner woodworker to pull off.
I get so confused sometimes at what you choose to do first 😂 wouldn’t it have been a better idea to finish the drywall or even the ceiling before painting and finishing the cabinets?
Regardless amazing work as always and great video. Love watching! Thanks for the content.
I was thinking the same thing. In Europe its common to do the walls and floors first, and then put the kitchen in... To each his own I guess..
@lukafilm
It’s common in the US to do the same. Mr. Build it goes rogue at times.
It would have been a better idea but I think this is his first flip. Cut him some slack its gonna be twice the work and a lesson but he does a good job anyways
@@Joethetoolguy First flip, yes but not his first cabinet, kitchen, or even drywall project. I think this looks awesome and he crushed it, just wanted to share my thoughts. I’m interested on if he did that for a reason? Maybe using a new product to tape the drywall or something? 🤷🏼♂️
Yep, 100%. Completely agree with you @tacomapappas!
Thats why you put blocking in when framing. should also put blocking in for towel bars in bathroom, toilet paper holder or anything else that you planning on putting into or onto the wall ahead of time.
You should have finished drywall before cabinets.
Prepare to have them covered in dust and mud...
A Blind corner cabinet would have done magic for that corners honestly. Would give you a good amount extra space. Though tbf on the back side of the breakfast bench you could put a sweep cupboard.
Agreed. The wasted space makes me cringe
@@optimus_prime_____ Same! The old designer in me is internally yelling to put a blindbase cabinet in lol
Yeah, I agree on the corner blind cabinet. At first before I saw the gap size to the adjacent cabinet, I was thinking lazy Susan in the corner, but the limited space made me change to blind cabinet. With his skill set, it would be no problem to add nice sturdy drawer guides to a blind cabinet, and allow a heavy mixer, or other rarely used stuff, to roll laterally into the hidden area.
Looks amazing, but I'm a bit confused. Do you not need to do any mudding and taping with the drywall before putting up cabinets and stuff?
Lol, I feel like he always does things out of order. How he’s going to struggle tapping they drywall 😂
For that corner cab, missed opportunity to have a swing out shelf system.
Also you just build a double wide cab and blank off one side with the cab that butts into it.
Also also euro frameless and adjustable height legs are the way to go now. Much faster for production and easier adjustment at install time.
I watched the video thru to the end... and read a good majority of the comments.
I have a couple comments...
Its clear that you have some decent cabinetry skills... not pro skills.. but a lot better than your average backyard woodworker. You could save yourself a lot of headaches and on-the-fly re-working by planning ahead. Go online and get a copy of a cabinet layout program like Sketch Up or something... you enter your room dims with window/door openings, outlets, plumbing, etc... add in your appliances... and then start placing standard (or custom) size cabinets (base and uppers) to fill in the space. Its easy to add /subtract cabinets and then view the whole layout in 3D / 360⁰ to see if you like it. Once you're happy with your plan... save it and print out a 2D cut list.
A large majority of the comments spoke to how you compared the cost between store bought and DIY. The comments regarding the different materials used are spot on... and reinforce your decision to DIY... but many people seem stuck only on the bottom line difference in cost. I think the most relevant factor when deciding store bought.. over DIY.. over custom order.. is the intended end use. For example... are these cabinets for your own home or a rental/flip property? Are you more concerned about total cost and expediency of completion... or are you more concerned with quality, durability, and actually getting the visual 'look' that YOU want?
As for including the cost of tools.. yes.. fair enough.. that needs to be considered... but realistically... if you're considering doing a DIY kitchen cabinet build and don't already own a good majority of the tools you need... then you should seriously reconsider because building a set of kitchen cabinets isn't something your average joe can bang out in a weekend. It takes skill and experience... both of which come through time and repetition. Just a piece of advice to prospective DIY'ers out there... don't go buy a shop full of woodworking tools and think that makes you a skilled woodworker. All you did by buying a tool... was get that tool... you didn't buy the knowledge, or skill, to use it properly.
I knew a guy several years ago who figured... hey... I've been a framer for over a decade... how hard can a set of cabinets be? He botched his cabinets so bad he literally scrapped the entire lot and ended up paying someone to build them for him. Paying someone to do something you thought was so stupidly easy is a hard pill to swallow... but then again... most people these days only compare bottom line costs and don't give a moments thought to the years of knowledge it takes to make something look "stupidly easy" to complete.... and even less thought to that knowledge having a price tag attached to it.
As a cabinet maker, I totally agree. Can we all agree that those are cabinets? Yes, but not the same as someone who does this craft. I throughout the video I kept asking my self what was the reasoning behind some of those decisions.
The difference between buying and building for me is that you get to build to your needs and not what they create for the "average" person. Each home is different. The colour came out beautiful.
Agreed. I like higher counters because I’m pretty tall
If you're pondering the age-old question of building or buying kitchen cabinets, this video is a must-watch. The clear comparisons and budget-friendly tips provided by the presenter take the guesswork out of the decision, offering valuable guidance for those looking to save money on their kitchen renovation.
My kitchen has a couple of traditional dead spaces, however, the previous homeowner, extended the cabinets into those dead spaces. Yes, it is difficult to get to those spots, but they're perfect storage locations for those odd ball appliances that get used a handful of times throughout the year
Gotta plan ahead. Before you did the drywall, you could have added all the blocking for the cabinets.
I'm in the middle of a bathroom remodel and what I have learned from this video is to make sure I put lots of blocking in the walls so I don't have to worry about hitting studs when putting in my cabinets.
From a professional remodeler/custom builder: always, before you rough in, take your time to block for all your finishes. Towel bar, hand towel, tissue dispenser, mirrors, shelves, tv mount, cabinets, etc… this will help you avoid headache. I use 2x8 or 2x10 lumber to do this. Measure to center from floor to center, mark that number on the block, and take a picture. Actually, take a picture of you mechanical in the wall before you close too. That way you’ll always know.
@@Koitus36 This right here. I take photos of all my framing before insulation, room by room, wall by wall. Wherever needed, I also record stud layouts, such as the kitchen for laying out studs for cabinets. In that instance, instead of writing on the blocks, studs, or whatever, I have a helper pull my measuring tape from an inside/outside corner and I walk down the wall with him as he stretches it out, and I video the tape, reading the measurements "to" each stud. It makes it a simple task when later going to mark studs, critical pipes and electrical on the drywall. I set a screw or nail in a drywall corner to hook my tape on (or have a helper hold the end), set my phone down and hit play (with the volume up) while slowly stretching my tape out, and mark each item as I hear myself read out the measurements on the video. But yeah, getting all backing in where necessary and recording its location with your preferred method is an important step. ;)just
Bruh you could solve your whole stud issue when hanging the upper carcasses by cleating them. Run a long 3/4” board mitered end up along the wall and secure that into the studs. Then add your matching cleats to the back of your carcasses. Easier to hang solo and you’re holding hella weight with that setup. Finishing boards hide the gap.
The cabinets turned out great! The one thing you didn't factor in was your time to build them. Installation is a wash because it's going to be about the same either way. Even though it obviously takes a lot more time to build them versus buy them, there is a huge satisfaction in creating your own cabinets and you definitely have the ability to customize them much easier than store bought. Plus, the quality of materials is very likely higher with the built cabinets. I think in the end if you have the time and resources to build your own cabinets, it's always going to be better.
one thing that would be good to know is if the Lowes brabd is the same quality. Alex mentioned particle board construction early in thre video. If that is true then it's not really apples to apples. The thing look beautiful!
He definitely added his time to build wasn't 3k in wood.
I’d recommending at the very least priming the area walls first just so it better protects from moisture, odor even if you’re covering it with stone or backsplash. It’s also easy when the area is open versus having to now paint around the cabinets.
Absolutely love the colour. Perfect choice. Amazing job.
You have mastered cabinetry and the finish product shows your workmanship. Can't wait to see the full reveal!
Wow I appreciate the clear comparison of DIY expenses and store-bought options, finding the insights helpful for making informed decisions on their kitchen renovation projects.
I'm in the middle of a bathroom remodel and you're keepin' me inspired bro, you absolutely killed this whole project, I'm so hyped for your whole home renovation! I look forward to all these videos! You give me so much confidence! Thank you for sharing all your trials and tribulations! Mad respect!
If you're debating whether to build or buy kitchen cabinets, this video is a must-watch. The straightforward explanations and real-life examples helped me understand the cost considerations involved, making the decision-making process much clearer for my own kitchen renovation project.
same 🙋🏼♀️
The cabinets came out beautiful. You are way above the average home owner when it comes to experience and the tools you have. But the end results are way better than the store bought. I enjoy watching the process. Thank you for taking us on the journey. There’s nothing like stepping back and taking in what you accomplish.❤😊
For all of the people who said you need so many tools to build your owe cabinets, that's incorrect. Technically, everything could have been cut with a table saw. The casework, frames, drawers, drawers fronts, doors, etc. (The only exception being the hinge cups, but that can be worked around with using different hinges) As a cabinet maker, I would not have made these cabinets the way he did, but at the end of the day, we can all agree they are, in fact, cabinets.
Love your channel.
I really appreciate your honesty and being open with your mistakes. We all make them, but that's how we learn and why I enjoy your content.
Been watching... I am PROUD of you, wife and Family.
God Bless from North Fort Myers, FL
hard to belive store cabinets are under 4k. I specced out my kitchen which looked about same size and they quoted 12k, and not the same quality as the ones you built. i ended up buying RTA cabinets for 4k. They also are 3/4 inch plywood/maple doors. Yea they are from china but they look great and have held up beyond expectation. Your skills are off the chart!
Absolutely Awesome!!! I wish I was that skilled. Great work!!!
I don't know if it has already been mentioned, but you should have put bridging between the studs and then drywall on top of it. Also, another pointer is next time do your upper cabinets first and then the lowers makes it a lot easier to hang.
Man the painting of the kitchen looks so boojie easy…..great job ……some good inspiration
I hate dead spaces in cabnit's and you have 2 but i have an idea to save one and make it usable space
On your lay out. Left side back cabnit could be draws on the dining room side. Now think of the space
Its a dining room, what could you use draws for in that space?
Silverware and serving stuff.
? Tide under the kitchen sink?
The right side space could be storage the sink cabnit could have slide shelfs that go to the right to store stuff mine has a space like that and i put in plastic tubs it works out ok.
I simply love your channel!! You are so talented and I love how you explain it all so in depth. Thank you for including any whoopsies . I feel less a fool because of this. Oh yeah and you’re easy on my eyes😂. Carry on
Wow my favorite video yet 🫡
Cabinets came out amazing 🙌
Great work 💪
Trick with sink cabinets is a false back, with clips that hold it in place. Makes it easier for plumbers to access as they can pop the back out and get full acess.
some cheaper brands of cabinets have their sink base with no back at all, just a mounting frame on the back
Custom built cabinets under 4k is a great deal. You having the knowledge in doing different things is wonderful
Love the colour of the cabinets
Another fantastic video! Can’t wait to see the final result of the house
Love the doors. Great job.
You did a great job on those cabinets looks great.
Remember also that your cabinets are a better quality in every way. Also remeber that not everyone has the tools or talent like you have. Amazing job.
Turned out beautiful. Great job
Love this new series. You got a new sub 💪
Fantastic job on the cabinets!
Really nice color!
Great video!!! I learned a lot! Thank you 😊
Great work buddy! Keep it going.
Man - everything came out so good!
You were likely 3/8 off because of those mats you have on your work space. You probably measured directly to the work table while the cabinet was sitting on the mats raising them slightly
Props mate. Turned out quite well for a diy. I was curious about the deviation in the floor and if thats something you'd use the self levelling epoxy flooring on or not?
Giant cabinet and you could add small tiny shelf’s. Or room for RO system. The end cabinet closest to the back door could have a door facing the dining room
Thanks for the video. You've convinced me to just buy the cabinets. Lol There's a lot of work and detail that go into building those things.
Have you considered building the cabinets as a simple box then putting them on a base that creates the tow kick? I did my kitchen that way and got dead level counters.
Wish I was there to give u a had.
Fantastic job.
Top cabinets can have verticals rails so the you can have you dining plates stack vertically side to side and you can see them for fancy look
Wow amazing work
I would have liked to see cabinet doors above the fridge. Overall everything looks great!
The difference in price is irrelevant, you build the cabinets to your standards and that is priceless.
If you did the full build .. for your next kit. Build install blocking everywhere you can that the bottoms of the upper cabs will fasten into drywall will cover all blocking like studs
That color looks 🔥
Love this, we are going to make our cabinets soon. What type of wood did you use for the raise panel wood? Please
outstanding brother!!!
Nice job!
Oh This is just Awesome! Very Beautiful! And i am agree with you: this color is Perfect 😉
Just a thing: as you painted the doors at the end, i hope for you that the wood will not contract and expand too much because you will see the unpainted wood.
Looks sweet!
It looks awesome!
Great job!!
There is the cabinet store in California , 405 Cabinets, there cabinets are many many time better than the Home Depot cabinets or other name brands here in US and the price is so reasonable with high quality (all plywood for boxes and solid maple doors). The painting is also great. You can send your dimension of your kitchen and they will lay out the way you want on 3-D. I remodeled many house and I used 405 Cabinets.
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For the Air Admittance vent Valve your probably could have put a access panel in and be good
Great job!
really nice job and really only attainable if you have all of the tools to get it done. The only thing I would say for next time (if there is a next time) is to take some more time to think about cabinet layout (like you said). From what we can tell, there appears to be a lot of wasted space in the corners and next to the small cabinet of drawers. There are other options beside the lazy susan now. There are special pullout options for corner cabinets which probably would have been great in your situation. Great vid as usual!
cabinet blocking before drywall saved me on my remodel
The biggest difference between buying vs building is the flexibility. You can build a kitchen exactly to your liking where as buying cabinets has its limitations on options. Not to mention stock availability. I’d definitely go build your own
I think that it totally depends on what you want. If what you are looking for comes in a size that is standard, by going to surplus or overstock places as well as second hand stores you can have a lot to chose from, and the second hand stores sometimes have custom stuff that was removed from another location or something the buyer might have rejected due to a measurement error that could end up benefiting your design.
I like watching this series and your measuring adventures. Wouldn’t it have been better to put down the flooring and finish the drywall first?
Finishing, absolutely. Flooring I don’t know. On commercial job sites I’ve been on, typically flooring is one of the last things done.
I also think he should’ve removed all drywall throughout the house
I kept asking myself why not do the drywall taping and mudding first???? glad I wasn't the only one. going to be a bitch to do that now with cabinets installed and painted.
@@kriskent8090 he probably tapes and muds only where its visible to save money. i guess they sell the house when its done
@@IgorDellaPietra I don't think they're going to sell it if he spent all the time and effort to set up his workshop there.
even still. could do that and go like a few inches over. gotta imagine doing it after cabinets are installed make it difficult to get it nice in that area
@@IgorDellaPietra
Great job
As I’m watching this, I just thought at 17:38, since you haven’t mudedededed yet, take that piece of drywall off and add 2 more 2x4s so that right side of the cabinet can bite :) but wow at the end, turned out to be beautiful.
Great work as usual, Alex. The color is absolutely stunning. One thing to consider is that not all your viewers have the professional tools and space you do to make such quality cabinets. If I did this, my cabinets would look more like a birdhouse made for kids 😂. Great video and very insightful!
Yeah he talked about that in this video.....that it's obviously not common to have a workshop like he does.
Really surprised the corner space got wasted. But overall good video. Thanks for sharing and have a nice day!
I am planning of a hidden door, accessible from under the sink, for the water filtration system. The other corner just gets a Rev a shelf pull out thingy.
@jameskarrie298 I have cabinets with corner doors on 2 hinges. It's still valuable used space for me, even if it's a tiny bit more difficult to get all the way into the back.
So was your time worth 400$?
I think I'd rather buy and save that time for the rebuild, especially if its a flipped home where time is of the essence.
Good work though, your quality is probably better.
Considering the content for his channel, yes. Time spent was worth more than $400.
no toekicks(potential vermin haven)! raised panel doors w/ slab drawers and shaker accents ... entertaining! BTW not hatin just observing(a bit hodge podgy)
Slept on opinion but your growth on your channel is awesome to watch, keep it up mate. Watching from Australia
Did you build a lazy susan for the inside corner? I have one and I love it for all the pantry goods
What about the giant hole in the floor going to the basement?
Great job👍
The cabinets turned out great, but maybe rethink the gold knobs.
great job
The 🐐of DIY 🫡
They look but why paint and finish them first, when u have to mud and finish the drywall?
Well done
In the corner you could have done a blind/hidden corner cabinet to take care of that dead space
I'm no master like you A. You kill this type of build, big thumbs up Just an observation, would having a cut list for the cabinets and knocking them out fast, with repeatable cuts for the carcases help? Time and accuracy wise. Then the face frames. Just asking for a friend.😃
Great video man. I have some poplar doors that need to be sprayed, but everything I see online says to use oil-based primer to prevent grain raise and bleed through. Do you use water based, pr do you use oil based primer?
It looks great. Honestly, the only thing I didn't like is that void in the corner that is unusable (unless I missed something). Both for the upper and lower cabinets. That is a ton of space that could still be storage if you build the cabinets right.
The quality of DIY is superior.
love it,,,what is the airless spray paint machine called?
Looks awesome, great job on the cabinets! Still don’t understand why you did the cabinets before finishing the rough work like drywall though, etc. lol 😂
Great video. I've installed Lowes pre-built cabinets in my condo and some pre-made, self-assemble cabinets in my current house. Both came out good, but I hope to one day build my own and I learned a lot from your videos. Thanks.
What sprayer are you using?
Man would have been a good idea to add blocking for the upper cabinets while you had everything stripped down. Oh well. Still looks great!