Kid you are a savior. I have heard so much BS over the years about crap you NEED to Do to an LS and you cut through all that. Thanks for your dedication to the truth.
The Driveway Engineer : " you peak truth " THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR SKILLFUL KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE SIR . JUST STARTING MY FIRST PROJECT RESEARCHING AND I LUV YOUR STYLE SIR . HOPING TO SEE BASEBALL CAPS AND T SHIRTS WITH POCKETS SOON . ( straight outta the yard ) THANK YOU AGAIN SIR . PEACE .
hey thnxx for all the info. I am like you FRUGAL...get the biggest bang for the bucks.....one thing that does matter to me is the weights of each of those 3rd generation engines you mentioned. Like the difference between the 6.0 versus the 5.3 and 4.8. It might not be that much IDK ? I really appreciate your attitude quite frankly, to hell with anyone that wants to internet brag about there so and so. My wallet and bank account are what matters to me not 1- extra horse[power that wont matter one way or another. I have beaten a 700 hp vette in my Evo with basically bolt-ons and a tune. That was maybe 300 hp against 700hp and I won..why...awd against bad traction and that turbo helped me out of the hole..there you go. Life goes on big deal. Great info so glad I found your channel !
Thanks for this info, very helpful to someone new to the gen 3 engines. Got a 04’ Tahoe 5.3 sitting on a engine stand now trying to figure out what direction to go with it. Thanks again 👍🏻
Put a cam in it, long tube headers,true dual exhaust, air aid mit cold air intake tube,get it dyno tuned and you will have a grin from ear to ear everytime you are behind the wheel.
As well as the 2001 C3 Pickup truck and all the 2002 to 2004 Denali Pickups. Contrary to popular belief none of those ran the LQ9 which for the Denali pickup only was added in 2005.
I bought a 5.3. So I was told....when i pulled the pan to swap it into my nova I noticed the casting numbers on the crank.....it was a strung out 4.8, explains why the seller would run it past 7k all the time...even seen videos of this motor in his jeep, spanking like 5 new ford raptors on the dunes at pismo.....even though it turned out to be a 4.8 I'm not mad at all the guy cammed it and upgraded the valve train to accommodate the cam and it screams. .......it honestly think he thought it was a 4.8 as well. ....i pulled that 4.8/th350 combo on Friday morning and had replaced it with a 370" 11.25:1 lq9 with ls3 heads and 4l65e by 2am Saturday morning. ....all by myself! !!!!!....gonna wire it up Monday morning after I drop off the driveshaft to get chopped 4"
i found this very eye opening thought you might also www.superchevy.com/how-to/engines-drivetrain/1712-surprising-hp-numbers-from-our-stock-ls-cylinder-head-test/
JR, This video is awesome, I like how you simplify things and you tell it how it is. And you don't get hung up on things like beefier rods. I totally agree. I will be looking for a 5.3 gen 3 for my 67 Camaro. thanks for the great info!!
He's right on everything. You don't need a lot of money to make decent power. For those of you who don't know check out sloppy mechanics channel. His formula is cheap and makes ton of power no complexity either. Basically cam, springs, and boost it. Fuel system upgrade of course but other than that you don't need 1000s to make stupid power.
Just picked up a complete L59 with accessories, harness, etc. from a 2006 Suburban to drop in my 95 Silverado. 178k on it. Needs some gaskets replaced and I’ll do a small cam upgrade and drop it in.
What guys don’t realize is even Chevy calls the iron blocks “LS based truck motors”. Thus why we call them LS motors. But the car guys just want to feel special with their aluminum blocks .If we keep up the good fight maybe they’ll finally learn yes we can call these LS motors haha I find it funny your notes are literally almost exactly like mine on this word for word. Took me about 3 weeks of nonstop searching to collect all this shit for personal use so I knew what I was pulling at the yards lol
Yeah, that's why I've had the break in the LS Basics series, it takes me awhile to put them together, and I've been wrenching on Daryl and Spring yard work.
Watching your videos is awesome makes me feel like this could be done hood shut on a weekend burning through weather checked tiger paw 60 series on Monday lmao
Thanks bro your vids gave me confidence that I can do it too. I picked up a 6.0 and going with 862 heads cam I’m thinking btr stage 3 lifters springs and a stall converter and a tune
The L33 trucks have the B-Vin. It's my understanding that a lot of the Z71s came with this option, but the people selling their old trucks might not know the value under the hood.
I’m running a 07 LY5 with Texas speed DOD delete kit and stock cam. It’s factory rated around 320 hp with a turbo 350 trans in my 75 cj5.. it’s running a computer out of a 2011 Silverado to get the manual trans tuning.... I love the combo but yes it’s difficult I’ve got some map and mass air reading issues.........
Hey brotherman...I'm also in the AB patch..operating down south. You still working? The oil company I was contracting to got the cufu scares and shut us in...that was at the start of April...no fucking work since. Lean times for us, and I worry the twerp from down east did beat us.
there easy to get 400+ out of tho. add cam cuz the one in it is a pencil size lol intake and a carb your all good to roast tires all day. you can make 300+ without the cam but i like the extra 100hp
Thanks for the video JR, question so I make sure I am following your notes correctly. 2004 Tahoe 4.8 2WD is essentially a Gen III LR4? The intake on that could be swapped with a Camaro / Corvette style intake, right? Thanks
I was building a 1995 lt1 with only 5k miles on it for my K10 until I came to terms with it was far more productive to grab a 265k mile 4.8 junkyard gem
I was thinking about the 4.8 crank in a 6.0 build . Till I did some digging .. turns out the OE blocks cylinders are not quite long enough , and allows the piston skirt to come out too low .. this causes pistons rock . But you can do it with a aftermarket block that has been made with a slightly longer cylinders . So it would work till you tried to boost her or straight out flog the shot out of it . The it sounds like she scatter ... that scared me off lol ... and as for gen IV . I'm licking my chops because I hear that rebuild kits ( with bushings ) are coming available for the 8L90e transmissions .. so I'm searching for a cheap core . Mostly because I want to build one .
Josh Rodkey I’ve seen the 4.8 crank in a 6.0 more than once, provided you use the longer connecting rod from the 4.8 on the 6.0 piston there should be no problem with the cylinders not being long enough. Otherwise the 4.8s would not work at all since they use the same block as the 5.3 which uses the same stroke crank as a 6.0
Thanks for the info. Recently picked up a Gen IV 5.3 with 120k miles for $275. The reason it was pulled out of the truck was one of the DOD lifers was stuck. I almost passed it up thinking it was a 4.8 because it has flat top pistons. This 5.3 has flat tops with 243 heads. Cheap Gen IV engines are out there, you just need to know what you're lookin at.
Sure they are, and there'll be more as time goes on. Gen III and now Gen IV are completely dead, obsolete technologies. As time goes on the price will come down, I paid 1500 for my first 5.3 lol. I'm still uninterested in a Gen IV at any price because of all the extra nonsense and hoops to jump through though.
the increase in horse power came around when they eliminated the EGR system, after what was over 35 years of debate with CARB, came around to there senses and finally said it does not work.
Second time watching this video and I'm sure I hit the like button but when I opened the video it showed a thumbs down so I changed it. Sorry , picking up some good stuff btw.
Great video . Maybe you could help me out I'm trying to put a gun 3 in my 07 Tahoe that came with a Gen 4. The knock sensors can be moved and the cam positioning sensor can be moved to the front with the four to one sprocket but what about the crank sensor . It has a different reluctor wheel..... I think I can get a electronic coder to change it for my computer is that the route you would go or do you have a better idea besides changing the reluctor wheel. Please let me know
@@TheDrivewayEngineer Cool thanks bro. SDPC is supposed to make a translator that just pops in I just don't know how much it is. Thank you so much. Keep up the good work
The GM performance LS 6.0 450 horsepower crate is 4300 dollars iron block LS3 heads very mild cam daily driver cam may not be the most powerful LS but you'd have to say it should run well be reliable and dependable and last a long time and be efficient with a cam change with more duration 230s and lift around 600 with matching valve springs hardened pushrods and a SFI harmonic balancer it should make 530 horsepower or more with 470-480 torque at the crank using good parts 1200 or so extra
I know this is a year old now, but it addressed most of the questions I had. One question I have is whether it's worth dropping a set of 5.3l heads on an early 5.7 that I was given ( With the perimeter bolts.) It wouldn't be a track toy, so still being able to use pump gas is important to me, and I haven't found anything definitive.
@@TheDrivewayEngineer As the price would be a set of head bolts and a pair of center bolt valve covers since the heads were also free, it might be worth more consideration. Thanks again, and happy wrenching!
My girl has a LM7 in her shortbed flairside truck since new, and i am definitely putting that in my project looking at 800-900hp (boosted)when done. And plan on using stock bottom end that unreasonable?
Why not use a $15 USB borescope thru the spark plug hole to check for 4.8/5.3 pistons as well general engine condition. Also the L33 engines go for at least $1000 over LM7 prices and for what I have seen and heard are usually much more likely to ragged out and trashed than a random pick and pull engine. P.S. The 6L80/6L90 series of transmissions are junk. Think putting a 4L80E behind a stock tuned Duramax durability at best. Also cost is a big consideration as the 6L80/90 will cost three times as much as a 4L80E.
I’m new to modifying my vehicle, I have an 02 suburban 1500 2wd with the 5.3, my end goal is 400whp, so far the parts I have are a btr cam, specs are 224/230 .553/.553 109lsa, the cheap Holley dual plane intake, and some 1 3/4 longtube headers. I’m guessing that combo with a tune will make maybe 350 so I was wondering what else I could do to make some substantial power gains? Trying to keep the budget under 5k
Put the truck intake back on it lol. Really, it'll make what it makes. You've changed every major component, the only thing left to do would bump the compression. I honestly don't worry about a number, I select appropriate parts and let the chips fall where they will
@@MrAwesome5454 You already have the smallest chamber heads available, they can be cut a bit, but I really don't think it's worth the effort. If it makes 350, it makes 350, do you really want to get into custom pushrods and machine shop costs just to say you have 400?
i have a 2001 Chevy suburban 3/4 with 4.10 gear ratio with 31" tall tire on the four-wheel drive suburban i took the LQ4 out and made it 6.7 L by anding 44 ci to the 6L make it 408 ci LS i need you to help me i didn't Dyno the engine but i did Dyno test the vehicle on a chassis dyno and it made 275 hp at the tired and it made 360. TQ at the tires with all of it installed in the factory position with all factory hardware bolted up to it including the I was wondering if there was any way that you could tell me how much horsepower the motor made at the crank and torque can you halp me
I'm only about 3 1/2 minutes in, how do I know what heads and cams fit in what motors? I have a 2009 5.3 short block out of an Avalanche. I want to build it on a budget, would really like to know what heads will work. Will 2001 241 heads work on this engine? Will the cheapo cam from Jegs work in this engine? What coils should I use? What's the difderence in coils? Are cam abd crank sensors interchangeable?
@@TheDrivewayEngineer I've already bought heads I paid $450.00 for the short block and $200.00 for some 241's with 918 springs. What head studs do I use, ARP head studs are '97-'04 and '05- newer the heads are 2001 and the block is 2009. Thanks for clearing things up so far. I'm sure when the time comes, I can just call ARP
I have a question and I wanted to know if I can do it or not. I have an LQ9 from an 04 Escalade and I wanted to know if it’s worth 862 heads on it for more horsepower or not? can 862 heads fit on the LQ9 engine or do I need to change the rods or valves or springs?
Happy Easter, I always heard that the reason to go for the bigger displacement Motors was that, they had more potential and you could disproportionately make more power out of them, for a given amount of money spent on a given mod (cam, supercharger, intake, Etc). Now that I see horsepower spread all together, I wonder how true that was to begin with🤔. And I wonder how you big of a difference you can make between them all stock with just tuning them, nevertheless. It'd be cool if you made this same type of video for the popular GM Transmissions and how much torque they can take.
Why is the LS4 never mentioned? If you have already all the accessories and you only need the long block, wouldn't the LS4 be a good choice? The only down side is, that you have to delete the DoD.
It's never mentioned firstly, because it's Gen IV, so, DOD, PCM limitations same as anything else. To add to it, it has a screwy 60 degree bellhousing like a 2.8 and is incompatible with "normal" V8 transmissions. I like to keep it simple, and with truck engines clogging up the yards, there's no reason to go through all these hoops before you even get to DOD.
@@TheDrivewayEngineer And don't forget there is nowhere to mount the starter without a custom made bracket that mounts on the oil pan. Check out ls1.com and some fiero sites.
You can run a Gen 4 motor with a Gen 3 computer. Will need the 58x to 24x converter. Now, find a midway Gen 3 with Gen 4 rods but good luck finding one...
Yeah, that's why i just stick to simple, Gen III engine, Gen III computer...If rods are ever a problem, they're 100 bucks on Ebay, but until they are a problem, I'm just going to send it.
Gen "4" rods aren't Gen 4 lol. They debuted in 2002 in the LQ9 and were used in every Gen 3 engine from the 2004 Calendar year through the end of the run. They built a lot of Gen 3 trucks from mid way 2004 through 2007... they are not hard to find. On the garden variety stuff look for 13 mm heads on the valley cover bolts...
I wish I could fit one in my Canyon and still keep the 4wd. Unfortunately the 3.5 that's in it had to have all kinds of extra shit (like a notched transmission pan) to let things fit. Stupid inline 5! But that's what I have to play with so...
@@TheDrivewayEngineer from what I can find it's a Gen 4 RPO LH8. But I can't find any info on what they did differently to get it to fit. Unless it fit better than the 3.5 version. Maybe I can get lucky (which never happens) and find one in a juck yard...
yes, the motors are good for 400 to 450 thousand miles, the lower the better, i picked up a 03 L59 flexfuel 140,000 miles, cylinders still have the cross hatch hone, valve guides are tight, main and rod bearings still look good, with heads ported and shaved, camshaft upgraded, and a tbss intake with 42 lbs injectors, im looking at a solid 460 to 470 hp at the crank, with a percentage loss through the drive train planting this power to the rear wheels i should see 370 to 380 if not more to the rear wheels when it is fully tuned.
@@TheDrivewayEngineer some where in the area 350 to 500, 150,000 or less miles, if you have a pick and pull close by or a little bit of a drive away, make a day of it and you can walk out with a good motor, walk around and build what you want, block from this, heads from that, as long it is a complete motor.
the only difference in LS and vortec truck engines is the intake. and LS only came in cars. funny the truck intake makes more power lol Trail blazer ss intake if you can find one cheap makes the best power
Yeah, no, it didn't, not one factory 4x4 ever left with a 390, which was the point of the comment, there's still people out there swearing they did. All FE 4x4's are 352 or 360's.
@@TheDrivewayEngineer assuming you can? why couldnt you? if you buy a jy engine you at one point have it on a stand so yes you can :) even better if you're at the jy "junk yard" and are able to vin decode. you would be surprised to see the amount of 4.8 trucks with 5.3 vin. ive pulled 6 4.8 over the years that were swapped in to 5.3 vin trucks by either dealerships or small shops. not to mention people doing the lr4 piston in a 5.3 for boost purposes, seen that more than once. thankfully i prefer the 4.8 and nobody appreciates an lr4
If you bought it, it's yours, if you just have your heart set on a 5.3, once you own it, it's a little late. Going by Vin is risky as you said, because people swap things at will, my 6.0 came from a 1500 with a vin of T. At least 6.0's only have 6.0 cast on them lol.
Kid you are a savior. I have heard so much BS over the years about crap you NEED to Do to an LS and you cut through all that. Thanks for your dedication to the truth.
The Driveway Engineer : " you peak truth " THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR SKILLFUL KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE SIR . JUST STARTING MY FIRST PROJECT RESEARCHING AND I LUV YOUR STYLE SIR . HOPING TO SEE BASEBALL CAPS AND T SHIRTS WITH POCKETS SOON . ( straight outta the yard ) THANK YOU AGAIN SIR . PEACE .
answered questions I had and questions I didn't know I had with no nonsense. subbed.
Ok so this is my 3rd video of yours and I have much more confidence now. Makes more since. I have subscribed and thanks for the info. Much appreciated
Man that's awesome, I'm glad to hear that!
hey thnxx for all the info. I am like you FRUGAL...get the biggest bang for the bucks.....one thing that does matter to me is the weights of each of those 3rd generation engines you mentioned. Like the difference between the 6.0 versus the 5.3 and 4.8. It might not be that much IDK ? I really appreciate your attitude quite frankly, to hell with anyone that wants to internet brag about there so and so. My wallet and bank account are what matters to me not 1- extra horse[power that wont matter one way or another. I have beaten a 700 hp vette in my Evo with basically bolt-ons and a tune. That was maybe 300 hp against 700hp and I won..why...awd against bad traction and that turbo helped me out of the hole..there you go. Life goes on big deal. Great info so glad I found your channel !
I'm honestly not sure with the iron blocks. I don't think it's significant, the alloy to iron is about 80 lbs from what I've seen.
Thanks for this info, very helpful to someone new to the gen 3 engines. Got a 04’ Tahoe 5.3 sitting on a engine stand now trying to figure out what direction to go with it. Thanks again 👍🏻
I'm glad it helped!
Put a cam in it, long tube headers,true dual exhaust, air aid mit cold air intake tube,get it dyno tuned and you will have a grin from ear to ear everytime you are behind the wheel.
Comp cams thumper 54-700-11 . no spring change required and it adds around 65 to 70 hp.
I have enjoyed the series, please keep it going. One note, the LQ4 was also in the Denali SUV's.
As well as the 2001 C3 Pickup truck and all the 2002 to 2004 Denali Pickups. Contrary to popular belief none of those ran the LQ9 which for the Denali pickup only was added in 2005.
I bought a 5.3. So I was told....when i pulled the pan to swap it into my nova I noticed the casting numbers on the crank.....it was a strung out 4.8, explains why the seller would run it past 7k all the time...even seen videos of this motor in his jeep, spanking like 5 new ford raptors on the dunes at pismo.....even though it turned out to be a 4.8 I'm not mad at all the guy cammed it and upgraded the valve train to accommodate the cam and it screams. .......it honestly think he thought it was a 4.8 as well. ....i pulled that 4.8/th350 combo on Friday morning and had replaced it with a 370" 11.25:1 lq9 with ls3 heads and 4l65e by 2am Saturday morning. ....all by myself! !!!!!....gonna wire it up Monday morning after I drop off the driveshaft to get chopped 4"
i found this very eye opening thought you might also
www.superchevy.com/how-to/engines-drivetrain/1712-surprising-hp-numbers-from-our-stock-ls-cylinder-head-test/
Respect your common sense and plain speak. Refreshing to me. Thank you.
Nice breakdown!! You pretty much covered everything!! Great video!
Ladies and gentlemen, may i present to you: The Worlds Most Pragmatic Man! Love this channel.
man I appreciate the zero b******* approach you have to everything wish more people were like that
JR, This video is awesome, I like how you simplify things and you tell it how it is. And you don't get hung up on things like beefier rods. I totally agree. I will be looking for a 5.3 gen 3 for my 67 Camaro. thanks for the great info!!
05 Silverado WT L59 Vin. Z. 240k, going to pull it, and computer and wire harness, freshing it up and put it in my 78 Cutlass Supreme.
Love the vids. Thx for help all us out with motor tech....
He's right on everything. You don't need a lot of money to make decent power. For those of you who don't know check out sloppy mechanics channel. His formula is cheap and makes ton of power no complexity either. Basically cam, springs, and boost it. Fuel system upgrade of course but other than that you don't need 1000s to make stupid power.
Just picked up a complete L59 with accessories, harness, etc. from a 2006 Suburban to drop in my 95 Silverado. 178k on it. Needs some gaskets replaced and I’ll do a small cam upgrade and drop it in.
My 03 Yukon came wit a L59. Not so great at low end power but getting past 2500 rpms she opens up and boogies.
Good enough??? My brother...... I wants one of those L-bad mofos for long sticky black marks! Wooooooooooooo
Great video and content 👍🏻as always
Glad you enjoyed it
Answered most questions I had.Thanks
Love the attitude! Keeping it real!
What guys don’t realize is even Chevy calls the iron blocks “LS based truck motors”. Thus why we call them LS motors.
But the car guys just want to feel special with their aluminum blocks .If we keep up the good fight maybe they’ll finally learn yes we can call these LS motors haha
I find it funny your notes are literally almost exactly like mine on this word for word. Took me about 3 weeks of nonstop searching to collect all this shit for personal use so I knew what I was pulling at the yards lol
Yeah, that's why I've had the break in the LS Basics series, it takes me awhile to put them together, and I've been wrenching on Daryl and Spring yard work.
Happy Easter JR. Gotta comment so you know I was here....
Happy Easter brother!
This helped a lot!!! Thanks Jr.
Watching your videos is awesome makes me feel like this could be done hood shut on a weekend burning through weather checked tiger paw 60 series on Monday lmao
Thanks bro your vids gave me confidence that I can do it too. I picked up a 6.0 and going with 862 heads cam I’m thinking btr stage 3 lifters springs and a stall converter and a tune
Very F'N helpful Jr! We're doing a 5.3 1st one. Thanks appreciate the info!
The L33 trucks have the B-Vin. It's my understanding that a lot of the Z71s came with this option, but the people selling their old trucks might not know the value under the hood.
I’m running a 07 LY5 with Texas speed DOD delete kit and stock cam. It’s factory rated around 320 hp with a turbo 350 trans in my 75 cj5.. it’s running a computer out of a 2011 Silverado to get the manual trans tuning.... I love the combo but yes it’s difficult I’ve got some map and mass air reading issues.........
Not a problem 255 hp and over 300k on the clock,suits me just fine.
Very informative! Thanks Jr.
The 5.7s really are just a basic 350, I work in the oil field in Alberta and we use these at 75% of our oil/gas sites
Hey brotherman...I'm also in the AB patch..operating down south. You still working? The oil company I was contracting to got the cufu scares and shut us in...that was at the start of April...no fucking work since. Lean times for us, and I worry the twerp from down east did beat us.
Tree fitty for boat mane
I bought it new in 1976
got me sum dem kamel hump heads....lol
I have a 5.7, Vortec er, small block, in my '96 Yukon. What I learned from this video? I can't even hang out with the cool kids. Dang! My life sucks.
One day I'll get to 411 swaps
there easy to get 400+ out of tho. add cam cuz the one in it is a pencil size lol intake and a carb your all good to roast tires all day. you can make 300+ without the cam but i like the extra 100hp
@@bigsean2473 carb..why would you go backwards?
Because Vortecs aren't very tunable or modifyable
@@TheDrivewayEngineer i remember you said once... "well carb guys keep tuning with a screwdriver i dont care"😂😂i will never forget that
Tell it like it is bro great content JR
Thanks for the video JR, question so I make sure I am following your notes correctly. 2004 Tahoe 4.8 2WD is essentially a Gen III LR4? The intake on that could be swapped with a Camaro / Corvette style intake, right? Thanks
That's all correct, yes
I was building a 1995 lt1 with only 5k miles on it for my K10 until I came to terms with it was far more productive to grab a 265k mile 4.8 junkyard gem
LT1s were the hit swap once upon a time.
Time marches on
One day we will say the same about the LS
Subscribed, but why was my screen so blurry? Checked your other videos and it was fine there... Strange
I was thinking about the 4.8 crank in a 6.0 build . Till I did some digging .. turns out the OE blocks cylinders are not quite long enough , and allows the piston skirt to come out too low .. this causes pistons rock . But you can do it with a aftermarket block that has been made with a slightly longer cylinders . So it would work till you tried to boost her or straight out flog the shot out of it . The it sounds like she scatter ... that scared me off lol ... and as for gen IV . I'm licking my chops because I hear that rebuild kits ( with bushings ) are coming available for the 8L90e transmissions .. so I'm searching for a cheap core . Mostly because I want to build one .
Josh Rodkey I’ve seen the 4.8 crank in a 6.0 more than once, provided you use the longer connecting rod from the 4.8 on the 6.0 piston there should be no problem with the cylinders not being long enough. Otherwise the 4.8s would not work at all since they use the same block as the 5.3 which uses the same stroke crank as a 6.0
Awesome info JR
Thanks for the info. Recently picked up a Gen IV 5.3 with 120k miles for $275. The reason it was pulled out of the truck was one of the DOD lifers was stuck. I almost passed it up thinking it was a 4.8 because it has flat top pistons. This 5.3 has flat tops with 243 heads. Cheap Gen IV engines are out there, you just need to know what you're lookin at.
Sure they are, and there'll be more as time goes on. Gen III and now Gen IV are completely dead, obsolete technologies. As time goes on the price will come down, I paid 1500 for my first 5.3 lol.
I'm still uninterested in a Gen IV at any price because of all the extra nonsense and hoops to jump through though.
@@TheDrivewayEngineer just use block and heads intake. swap the reluctor wheel use genIII everything else
@@bigsean2473 I'd rather not swap anything.
the increase in horse power came around when they eliminated the EGR system, after what was over 35 years of debate with CARB, came around to there senses and finally said it does not work.
Great stuff, thanks for the lesson
Well shit, yes I spent more but at least I know now and know what to look for later.
Second time watching this video and I'm sure I hit the like button but when I opened the video it showed a thumbs down so I changed it. Sorry , picking up some good stuff btw.
Hey man If you get a drive by wire Tb with your engine do you need the pedal? Is it easier to get a drive by cable?
Great video . Maybe you could help me out I'm trying to put a gun 3 in my 07 Tahoe that came with a Gen 4. The knock sensors can be moved and the cam positioning sensor can be moved to the front with the four to one sprocket but what about the crank sensor . It has a different reluctor wheel..... I think I can get a electronic coder to change it for my computer is that the route you would go or do you have a better idea besides changing the reluctor wheel. Please let me know
The only two ways to do what you're trying to do are swap the reluctor wheel or swap the whole crank.
@@TheDrivewayEngineer Cool thanks bro. SDPC is supposed to make a translator that just pops in I just don't know how much it is. Thank you so much. Keep up the good work
@@pollutionbluebestdronep.a.7516 idk about SDPC, but the one Lingenfelter makes works the opposite way, 52-24x
The GM performance LS 6.0 450 horsepower crate is 4300 dollars iron block LS3 heads very mild cam daily driver cam may not be the most powerful LS but you'd have to say it should run well be reliable and dependable and last a long time and be efficient with a cam change with more duration 230s and lift around 600 with matching valve springs hardened pushrods and a SFI harmonic balancer it should make 530 horsepower or more with 470-480 torque at the crank using good parts 1200 or so extra
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I know this is a year old now, but it addressed most of the questions I had.
One question I have is whether it's worth dropping a set of 5.3l heads on an early 5.7 that I was given ( With the perimeter bolts.)
It wouldn't be a track toy, so still being able to use pump gas is important to me, and I haven't found anything definitive.
Are they worth more power? Yes, as you can see in the charts.
Is it worth the price? Up to you
@@TheDrivewayEngineer As the price would be a set of head bolts and a pair of center bolt valve covers since the heads were also free, it might be worth more consideration.
Thanks again, and happy wrenching!
Yeah, I pay fifty bucks for heads, so it's worth it to me also, some people run out and buy reman heads for 500 lol
LM7 is king of all these engine for performance potential and price
FACTS!!!
My girl has a LM7 in her shortbed flairside truck since new, and i am definitely putting that in my project looking at 800-900hp (boosted)when done. And plan on using stock bottom end that unreasonable?
I never replace anything but the cam and valvesprings
@@TheDrivewayEngineer subscribed..
I literally watch this video once a week
great 411 JR.
Poor Gen 1 guys!…😂😂😂 as long as it’s a SBC you’re guaranteed to make power guys!…and that’s coming from one of the cool kids!…but LS RULES!!!
Great info 👍🏽👍🏽
Great video 👍
If it spins it wins.
Right on
Great video
Why not use a $15 USB borescope thru the spark plug hole to check for 4.8/5.3 pistons as well general engine condition. Also the L33 engines go for at least $1000 over LM7 prices and for what I have seen and heard are usually much more likely to ragged out and trashed than a random pick and pull engine.
P.S. The 6L80/6L90 series of transmissions are junk. Think putting a 4L80E behind a stock tuned Duramax durability at best. Also cost is a big consideration as the 6L80/90 will cost three times as much as a 4L80E.
If you have a borescope, sure, if not, you're boned lol.
@@TheDrivewayEngineer you can one for your phone on ebay for like 10 $ out of rice king land
Indeed, I have one.
Not everyone does lol, that's all.
I’m new to modifying my vehicle, I have an 02 suburban 1500 2wd with the 5.3, my end goal is 400whp, so far the parts I have are a btr cam, specs are 224/230 .553/.553 109lsa, the cheap Holley dual plane intake, and some 1 3/4 longtube headers. I’m guessing that combo with a tune will make maybe 350 so I was wondering what else I could do to make some substantial power gains? Trying to keep the budget under 5k
Put the truck intake back on it lol.
Really, it'll make what it makes. You've changed every major component, the only thing left to do would bump the compression.
I honestly don't worry about a number, I select appropriate parts and let the chips fall where they will
The Driveway Engineer what are good heads to go with to raise compression?
@@MrAwesome5454 You already have the smallest chamber heads available, they can be cut a bit, but I really don't think it's worth the effort. If it makes 350, it makes 350, do you really want to get into custom pushrods and machine shop costs just to say you have 400?
turbo it
The L3 3 is Worth it it has Gen. 4 rods they can handle a ton of boost
What's that matter if you're only going to run tons of boost "someday" and are in fact not running any boost at all?
i have a 2001 Chevy suburban 3/4 with 4.10 gear ratio with 31" tall tire on the four-wheel drive suburban
i took the LQ4 out and made it 6.7 L
by anding 44 ci to the 6L make it 408 ci LS i need you to help me
i didn't Dyno the engine
but i did Dyno test the vehicle on a chassis dyno
and it made 275 hp at the tired
and it made 360. TQ at the tires
with all of it installed in the factory position with all factory hardware bolted up to it including the I was wondering if there was any way that you could tell me how much horsepower the motor made at the crank and torque
can you halp me
Not really, you can guess that you lost about 20%, but it's only a guess.
Also, if you're happy with it, it doesn't really matter does it.
To tell the difference between the 5.3 & 4.8, is it possible to pull a spark plug and look inside to see if it has flat tops?
If you had a little camera thing you could, I got one for like 20 bucks on Amazon
Yes, with a bore scope. Bore scope is CHEAP on Amazon
I'm only about 3 1/2 minutes in, how do I know what heads and cams fit in what motors? I have a 2009 5.3 short block out of an Avalanche. I want to build it on a budget, would really like to know what heads will work. Will 2001 241 heads work on this engine? Will the cheapo cam from Jegs work in this engine? What coils should I use? What's the difderence in coils? Are cam abd crank sensors interchangeable?
Heads and cams all swap with the right timing components.
If you want to build it on a budget, sell your shortblock and go buy a complete engine.
@@TheDrivewayEngineer I've already bought heads I paid $450.00 for the short block and $200.00 for some 241's with 918 springs. What head studs do I use, ARP head studs are '97-'04 and '05- newer the heads are 2001 and the block is 2009. Thanks for clearing things up so far. I'm sure when the time comes, I can just call ARP
Use the studs or bolts that match the block
I have a question and I wanted to know if I can do it or not. I have an LQ9 from an 04 Escalade and I wanted to know if it’s worth 862 heads on it for more horsepower or not? can 862 heads fit on the LQ9 engine or do I need to change the rods or valves or springs?
If you already have the other heads, or can get them for little to nothing, sure.
If not, don't bother
Ok I appreciate the knowledge and info.Do enjoy your videos 👍
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Shit, I like you too man
2004 up 1500 crew cab had a LQ4
Yea, the 6L was a option with the 2004 and up CC 1500. Had the 4L65E also.
No mention of the LS2 from the GTOs? They had "beefier" rods and were 6L engines.
Happy Easter,
I always heard that the reason to go for the bigger displacement Motors was that, they had more potential and you could disproportionately make more power out of them,
for a given amount of money spent on a given mod (cam, supercharger, intake, Etc).
Now that I see horsepower spread all together, I wonder how true that was to begin with🤔.
And I wonder how you big of a difference you can make between them all stock with just tuning them, nevertheless.
It'd be cool if you made this same type of video for the popular GM Transmissions and how much torque they can take.
That's a pretty good idea!
Why is the LS4 never mentioned? If you have already all the accessories and you only need the long block, wouldn't the LS4 be a good choice? The only down side is, that you have to delete the DoD.
It's never mentioned firstly, because it's Gen IV, so, DOD, PCM limitations same as anything else.
To add to it, it has a screwy 60 degree bellhousing like a 2.8 and is incompatible with "normal" V8 transmissions.
I like to keep it simple, and with truck engines clogging up the yards, there's no reason to go through all these hoops before you even get to DOD.
@@TheDrivewayEngineer And don't forget there is nowhere to mount the starter without a custom made bracket that mounts on the oil pan. Check out ls1.com and some fiero sites.
cuz the come in front wheel drive cars. to much work to swap over to rearwheel
I got me a L59 5.3 in my 05 Avalanche, LOL.
You can run a Gen 4 motor with a Gen 3 computer. Will need the 58x to 24x converter. Now, find a midway Gen 3 with Gen 4 rods but good luck finding one...
Yeah, that's why i just stick to simple, Gen III engine, Gen III computer...If rods are ever a problem, they're 100 bucks on Ebay, but until they are a problem, I'm just going to send it.
@@TheDrivewayEngineer LOL! Amen! LOL!
Gen "4" rods aren't Gen 4 lol. They debuted in 2002 in the LQ9 and were used in every Gen 3 engine from the 2004 Calendar year through the end of the run. They built a lot of Gen 3 trucks from mid way 2004 through 2007... they are not hard to find. On the garden variety stuff look for 13 mm heads on the valley cover bolts...
LM7's where under rated also. L33's are aluminum
I want me a l33 gen 4 rods ftw
Whatever I say the same thing very interesting do you have a heads video
Yukon Denali’s had the Lq4. They are not an 8 lug HD truck
I wish I could fit one in my Canyon and still keep the 4wd. Unfortunately the 3.5 that's in it had to have all kinds of extra shit (like a notched transmission pan) to let things fit. Stupid inline 5! But that's what I have to play with so...
What changed on the factory 5.3 Canyons?
@@TheDrivewayEngineer I don't know how they got it to fit or if it came in 4wd version. Definitely something to look into though.
Yes sir, there were 4x4 factory 5.3 trucks. I have no idea what's different on them though.
@@TheDrivewayEngineer from what I can find it's a Gen 4 RPO LH8. But I can't find any info on what they did differently to get it to fit. Unless it fit better than the 3.5 version. Maybe I can get lucky (which never happens) and find one in a juck yard...
@@4BillC yes you said "inline 5" so its longer than the standard v8
Does the mileage really matter when buying a used LS engine? New guy here
yes, the motors are good for 400 to 450 thousand miles, the lower the better, i picked up a 03 L59 flexfuel 140,000 miles, cylinders still have the cross hatch hone, valve guides are tight, main and rod bearings still look good, with heads ported and shaved, camshaft upgraded, and a tbss intake with 42 lbs injectors, im looking at a solid 460 to 470 hp at the crank, with a percentage loss through the drive train planting this power to the rear wheels i should see 370 to 380 if not more to the rear wheels when it is fully tuned.
@@PappyDan I need this powa 💥 in my Jeep
@@PappyDan what is a good ballpark price for a 5.3 with less than 200,000 miles?
500 bucks is the high end of what I pay for a complete 5.3 with absolutely everything
@@TheDrivewayEngineer some where in the area 350 to 500, 150,000 or less miles, if you have a pick and pull close by or a little bit of a drive away, make a day of it and you can walk out with a good motor, walk around and build what you want, block from this, heads from that, as long it is a complete motor.
What about getting a gen IV block but using gen 3 wiring and electronics
Still have to deal with the crank sensor
The Driveway Engineer what if I change the reluctor wheel and sensor to 24x?
What's the best LS engine to swap in 4x4 Silverado
Doesn't matter, buy a complete one.
If u really want the rods they sell sets refurbished gen4 on eBay for like 150 bucks
So if I can get lm7 heads for 150 bucks would it be worth it to buy for my lq4
No
totally disagree on your L33/LM7 comment
L33 aluminum block way better dropping in a smaller 60's car, plus better heads plus gen 4 rods
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They tell me to get them there 823 heads off that there ly6 and 6 bolt main and make one jump 2 beer cans
The 2001 ls6 was rated at 375hp in 2002 they went to 405hp. Ya I've had that same argument with dumbass that the truck enginee isn't a ls1 :(
Do you make wiring harness for swaps dbw?
No sir
What 6.0 was in trailblazer ss
LS2
I found a 2004 chevy van 8 lug 2500 the vin was a R any idea what that Is
Not an LS, probably the 5.7, take a peek under the hood and verify
@@TheDrivewayEngineer yeah it dont look like a ls they are few and far between in the reno area I will keep hunting a cheap one
the only difference in LS and vortec truck engines is the intake. and LS only came in cars. funny the truck intake makes more power lol Trail blazer ss intake if you can find one cheap makes the best power
Yo, can you put 799 heads on a stock 6.0 lq9?
If you use bolts you can, otherwise they'll fall off
@@TheDrivewayEngineer thank you for responding. I'm doing my first LS swap.
1976 ford f250 high boy had a 390
Yeah, no, it didn't, not one factory 4x4 ever left with a 390, which was the point of the comment, there's still people out there swearing they did. All FE 4x4's are 352 or 360's.
So true, every 360 was a 390 when the trucks for sale!!!!
4.8 and 5.3 the crank is what makes it a 5.3 kinda like a stroker kit lol so makes no difference just go get the crank and pistons and you got a 5.3
or just buy a 5.3 instead of making one because you can
probably easier to pull the pan and look at the crank cast #
Assuming you can
@@TheDrivewayEngineer assuming you can? why couldnt you? if you buy a jy engine you at one point have it on a stand so yes you can :) even better if you're at the jy "junk yard" and are able to vin decode. you would be surprised to see the amount of 4.8 trucks with 5.3 vin. ive pulled 6 4.8 over the years that were swapped in to 5.3 vin trucks by either dealerships or small shops. not to mention people doing the lr4 piston in a 5.3 for boost purposes, seen that more than once. thankfully i prefer the 4.8 and nobody appreciates an lr4
If you bought it, it's yours, if you just have your heart set on a 5.3, once you own it, it's a little late.
Going by Vin is risky as you said, because people swap things at will, my 6.0 came from a 1500 with a vin of T. At least 6.0's only have 6.0 cast on them lol.
@@TheDrivewayEngineer no its not just get the 5.3 crank and rods put them in the 4.8 and now its a 5.3
help.summitracing.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4755
This might help figure out what motor you might have
Times change
But the RPO's remain the same
Nobody cares, it doesn't matter. Nobody is listening to it anyways...