New 2021 Aprilia Tuareg 660 vs. Yamaha Tenere 700: Which Is Better?
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
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Yamahas CP2 is stupidly reliable and low maintenance and a much larger dealership presence for ease of service (At least in U.S.).
Around the world to be honest.
@federico giordani Since Aprilia, Ducati and all the italian bikes, dealership would be a lot easier in their own country. As for my country, getting a replacement parts for aprilia, mv agusta or ducati will be a few weeks order. Italian bikes are like exotic bikes according to my people. It will turn heads definitely especially mv agusta as it is a rare sighting.
@federico giordani
In Germany no problem as well.
11 Dlrs in the US - Eleven. I love the bike, but that's just not even close to where it should be. That will me zero parts service, very poor @ the least.(parts guy for 12 yrs, trust me). If they would treat their dealers better, as I've heard nothing but horror stories from anyone that has dealt with them, here and in UK from what I'm seeing, then I'd consider it. Not a Yam guy but the T7 is an amazing package for $10k here in the US. C'mon Aprilia, get it together and I'll buy one.
wish i could argue those points .....but
The completely clear windscreen is actually very nice 👌.
If riding slow technical stuff, it definitely helps to quickly spot tire line .
Just bought a 2023 Tuareg and it’s pretty awesome!
While the CP2 is a wonderful motor, no one will state the obvious: the deep sump places it too high in the frame, forcing the fuel tank even higher. The T7 is terrific, but correcting this fundamental flaw in an adventure chassis gives the Tuareg a great step up. Let's see if the rest of the bike can pull off the whole package.
I dissagree. The top part of the fuel tank on the aprilia is a "dummy" made of plastic.... it actually sits lower in the frame than it looks.👍😉
Aprilia knows how to make frames. Premium version bike manufacturer
Cheers Bob, been waiting for this one
Agree.....the concept looked stunning
Now I'd like to see a Sport-Touring Version of the Tuareg (as competition to the Tracer 7) and I'm sold.
Nice one Bob, as always. Tenere provided the most important thing that was missing from our lives, simplicity. That is more than enough reason for me to buy one. Unfortunately, we don’t get it here in India.
Maybe someday in the future we might...
Yamaha is adamant on that account. No mid- higher segment bikes unless they expect demand. 150& 250 is their focus for now. They gauge demand from competitors and would wait for market to mature. 3-4 years is the least we can expect.
Yamaha truly has disappointed the tourer community in india...
Can believe we have players like kawasaki, ktm and benilli selling here and they don't still see a market..
Tuareg 660 with tubeless rims, 240 mm suspension is already a winner over Yamaha. Try removing tyre from wheel with tube in middle of nowhere...to repair a puncture.
Adventure bike with tubeless rims...with spoke wheels is recipe for wide horizon journeys, we all cherish !
Great job aprilia! I want one now....😘
Agree with you , on paper the Tuareg in several areas appears better than the Yam which to be fair is a good solid bike but needs a little money spending on it , 90% of the time these things will be on the road and occasional low level off-road use - tubes are not needed and bloody dangerous on any road bike , I would never buy another tube bike or ride one after a couple of close calls in the past running tubes , not funny if you pick up a nail at speed full loaded - they deflate fast were a tubeless set up with good tyre sealant or just the tyre rubber itself is self sealing and will hardly ever give any nasty surprise - sealant is almost useless in tubes with any sharp embedded object stuck in the tyre - you end up with a tube resembling a tea bag in no time , Tubeless all the way for many good reasons and I would have no issue doing hardcore off-road with tubeless , I use TL on my EMTB in extremely rocky conditions and have done with my last KTM 990 with no issues whatsoever and I do ride at quite a good level to challenge things .
Um
When you are in the middle of nowhere you want tube tires. Tubes can be patched and i can carry a LOT of tubes i cannot carry lots of spare tubeless tires and i WILL NOT have my health and safety rely on tire plugs in places without hospitals or clean running water because my front tire exploded in the sahara and i broke my hip when 400 lbs moving 60mph lands on me
Dumbass 😂
I love my Tuono 660 2k miles in, but at its current rate of oil consumption the engine would struggle to go on any kind of adventure without an aux oil tank! These engines seem to be teething heavily so hopefully the issues are fixed by the Tuareg's release.
A timely warning.
I have a Tuono with 800km on the clock and have not noticed any oil issues. First service in a month and will see.
@@tonydare7614 mine ran danger low around 1500 miles. I hadn't thought to check until it made odd noises.
@@IanJefferys thanks for the heads up. I'll keep an eye on it. Ride safe
@@IanJefferys could be only your bike tho, have you heard of others?
If I was in the market for an adventure bike, reliability would be 1,2 and 3 on my list of things to look for.
Happy to have tech on road, but off road in SE Asia, where I mainly ride off-road, I prefer as little computer intervention as possible.
Would it be too much to ask for a Triumph Scrambler 660? 🥺
Since it seems that every motorcycle brand wants to follow the steps of Yamaha with their T7, I believe that Triumph could make a bike that looks just like their current scrambler but lighter, cheaper, more agile and with way less tech, you know, a gorgeous and honest scrambler.
Man that's on my wish list too 🤞
@@shoakman wrong engine tho, you want a twin or single for torq
Great review Bob, another subscriber here now.
Welcome Roger! Glad you enjoyed the video
It´s interesting how significant the front of an adventure bike is for the overall design. That is where Yamaha excelled with the T7 and where KTM is still struggling with the out of date transformer concept. Was expecting more from Aprilia but an after market rally tower could do the trick just as for the KTM Adventure models. Interesting bike all together though.
Both are great bikes. Just make sure all the parts are available and easy to get in your region.
Hope it has an actual usably wide-spread beam pattern and the hi-beam without sacrificing the low-beam brightness.
Splits the difference between the ktm 890 adv and yamaha T7 perfectly...and looks better than both!
Yamaha T7 for me. But i think it is good for us riders to have competition. The exhaust is the worst but that’s the same om the T7.
It’s like a mini Africa Twin 👍👍👍 I love Aprilia…..
I like the headlight of the Tuareg 660. It has all the right angles in my book. Thanks Motobob........Sal : )
For me the headlight is the single worst feature of the Tuareg. I love everything this bike brings to the table but for me the headlight might be a deal-breaker because I hate the looks lol
@@tolga1cool who cares for the look, its LED
Thats good competition, they release the Touareg, T7 owners sell their bikes for buying new one, I buy a T7 cheaper; Release the Touareg
Hardly. Every T7 in the Phoenix area has a ridiculous value held when it comes to dealerships. Example, a T7 came in from a rental company located a town away from new dealer with 13,400 miles, scratched to hell, no brake pads left & worthless tires . They have to charge tax a second round on it’s sale pushing 850$give or take & other fees that are almost the equivalent to the shipping & setup fee buying brand new. Bash power sports in Mesa AZ wanted & wouldn’t budge to sell 10,000 + all the other taxes & fees. Get out of here. Kick rocks & people need to hold out before they spend that much on these giant dirt bikes. Seriously!! 300$ below MSRP?🤦♂️ as much as unwanted that bike & it’s lack of availability here state side, I would never give a dealership the pleasure of price gouging me like that.
The headlight looks fabulous on the Aprilia. Very futuristic, something like a robot. The fuel tank on the Aprilia looks more in line with an adventure bike too, but looks are subjective, and I would not base my choice on the looks. They both look great. I think price will be decisive. The anti squat feature on the Tenere, and if they have a slipper clutch. Slipper clutch was not mentioned, so what about it?
I believe both have anti-squat (Aprilia copied Yamaha on all the positives), and slipper clutch. The reviewer here is obviously biased in favor of the Tenere, which is inferior in all aspects except reliability. And then one hopes the Aprilia is not far off in reliability, but only time will tell.
big decider for many potential buyers will be reliability,,,,,,
Tenere 700 wins it in all main categories for me, I love knowing exactly how it reacts everyday without electronic intervention to interfere, but understand there's a crowd that would like hand holding.
bs.. lean sensitive ABS is a must have
@@kloppskalli what I love needs no refute.
Hand holding? Yeah? That's the only thing T700 fans have to say. Yeah, you need cruise control for 500km ride because nobody is willing to F-up their wrist just to prove that they don't need hand holding. Same goes with cornering ABS, ride mode...etc it's like saying my ancient Nokia 3310 phone is the way to go in 2021 because texting with smartphone is considered hand holding. Technology is the way to go, only Japanese manufacturers are stuck in 70s and don't want to cut a bit of their profit by adding a simple throttle by wire.
Tenere 700 - 12k
Honda CRF300 - 8k
CB500x -8.3k
Are you kidding me? 8k for a single cylinder bike like CRF300? 😅
@@dionoliveira4058 maybe it does.. you say you know exactly what the bike will do without electronics - ok but you cannot break better / react faster to locking wheels than the computer .. in emergency situations you either waste potentially lifesaving meters or you lock up. Professionals admit that they have trouble to get a bike stopped faster with ABS off than with the ABS on.
@@ampm9771 It's interesting how people react to someone's opinion as if its their own personal white board so they can go ahead and get offended then pass off insult.
If you have ever ridden hard in the dirt you know that controlled sliding is very much part of mastering riding in dirt and that all experienced riders prefer no interference from electronics in this area. It is after all more for offroad than it is for the tar. When you read someone elses opinion and it goes against your thoughts/experience first see if there's something there perhaps you learn before you just go on blah blah blah
I've owned a t7 for about 18 months now, a lot of MUST DO'S to make it the bike I thought I was buying, but pretty happy with it, just wondering how much the Tuareg will need to get up to scratch after purchase???
As far as looks go, hmmm pretty even to my eye, the Tuareg is pretty sharp tbh, exhaust,crash bars and other accessories should add to the look, can't wait to see one in Australia!!
Can't beat simplicity 👌
I love this Aprilia
Triumph Tiger Sport doesn’t really come off-road ready like the T7.
what if we compare Tenere World Raid with Tuareg ??
what suspension is greater then ????
@motobob any updates on your review now that you have ridden the Tuareg 660 and know the price? Your review is spot on and the headlight is the only big miss (plus perceived reliability) on the Tuareg. Torn between the two. US based where the T700 is less expensive by $2k
Very few Aprilia dealers in my area of the USA. Nearest is 200 miles away. Closest Yamaha dealer is 8 miles away and three more within 75 miles. That's why I'd buy a T7 before the Aprilia, sorry to say.
I'm looking at the Tuareg 600 ($11999), The Tenere 700 ($10299), and the KTM 790 Adv R (used $12000). I really like the Aprilia but there are a few design quirks, and I wonder about parts availability and reliability.
The engine being "detuned" to 80 hp from 100 is hopefully a good indicator that it should last well. seems like the suspension etc. is a notch above the T7. I like the tech. I like the look of the Aprilia more than the T7 but not much more. The Aprilia has a 275 mile range which is at least 75 miles better than the T7...
I feel like I'm slowly convincing myself to pay a little extra an go one way here.
I have a 1200xe and you do not need all the tech. It’s too much, it’s just more shit that can go wrong.
Hi Bob - been watching this 2 ur old vid again - I’ve just bought the Tenere - I live the bike a lot was almost going to buy the toureg but a new Yamaha dealer opened 5 mins from my house - so that was the clincher - Tenere it has to be .
Only problem is , I assumed the tyres were tubeless like the toureg .
So question is - apart from taking the back wheel of at the road side - how can I fix a puncture woukd foam and a plug work - or is there a conversion that can be done to the rims to make them air light
If not - I’m getting rid and getting a toureg - at 62 yrs I just can’t be bothered with the hassle. What do you advise Bob . Mr Whisky M8 out! 🥃
Cycle World have ridden the bike and there is a video, the front looks so much better in the video, I was surprised how much better the front was with the lights on.
The Aprilia has more suspension travel, while having more ground clearance and a lower seat hight
I wonder how comfortable will it be on road, because ktm 890 r just isn’t.
Actually these 2 bikes shouts a lot of a true adventure bikes. Both are great for the category. The only problem is the front fender. It should be below the headlights like the ones in the Dakar closer to the front tyre, you know what I mean. This is the one manufacturers must consider to change.
I like your channel but have one request: could you use US dollars for prices (easier for international followers) keep up the good work!
most modern mass production bikes are very reliable. the Aprilia engine is far more compact than the cp2 will ever be, hence it will be a very narrow bike vs the tenere t7. Airbox design and cross spoked wheels are again things where Aprilia takes the cake. Also, unlike Yamaha , Aprilia is always known to use top quality components
I'd love to see you do a vid on bikes for new riders. There's alot of content out there for the US, but I think your UK perspective would help mature riders looking to get started (like me) make an informed decision. The feedback I got on questions to the crusty old hands running the Direct Access course didn't exactly fill me with confidence. They basically told me to buy a 1000cc or higher, for my first bike... surely this isn't a good idea... or perhaps it is? I'd love to see your input on the topic.
No that is a terrible idea and that man that has told you that should not be put in a position of being a authority on the subject.
It's doable, though maybe not recommended. Like you say, most channels are based in the US where training is pretty limited and jumping on a 1000cc with barely any experience and limited training is a pretty bad idea.
In the UK though, after typically 6 months riding on a CBT, and probably 20-30 hours of DAS training, a 1000cc bike is at least going to be more approachable. However it's probably not a bad idea spending some time on something between 600-900cc with
@@motorcycle-man T'was a woman, not a man, but thanks for the response.
The Tuareg looks like the Tenere, for good reason. Aprilia took a play from the Yamaha playbook. I agree that the frontend falls short on the Tuareg. It should have an additional echelon.
Hey I love the review... But what is it that is great about the touareg other than the TFT display and ride modes...
Plus I don't think we have enough time done on the touareg done yet to say how the TCS is and how this chassis flexes..
I'm not doubting aprilias abilities but just saying it is not time tested at all
Tubeless rims and 240 mm suspensions are already two good reason to choose Aprilia over Yamaha.
@@liv0003 yeah and less tech and better dependability from the T7 is a reason to get the T7. plus dealers for the yam are everywhere compared to aprilia
Triumph should follow them and make a Tiger with the Trident's engine. 🙄
It's already caught testing 😍... Tiger 660 sports
@@ashishmandal8541 True! It seems they've heard me! 😄😄😄
…….and Tiger 660 Adventure expected!
Anyone buying one of these bikes for a round-the-world ride would choose the Yamaha. Tubeless tyres might sell the Aprilia to some people.
Unfortunately it’ll cost way too much with the tech compared to the Yammy & of course there’s the enviable dealership support. It certainly looks to a nod from the past & does look good. Otherwise, a great intro.
Why is it so difficult to make a bike that looks good and has the power?
I test drove an tuono and the first 15 mins all the electrics blew mate and it was so uncomfortable my nuts were sore
Reminds me of a BMW F850 mixed with a Tenere 700 lol but all 3 bikes would be nice either way 👌🏾
The only thing I would like on my T7 is cruise control.
Yeah I just bought a low mileage tiger 800 for the same reason. Tempted by a new T7 for a similar price but cruise was the difference
The front 2-pot brakes are exactly what you want on the dirt. They're not down-speced for price.
I definitely prefer the Tuareg
Brain says: T7. Heart says: buy Tuareg.
Wallet says: Just keep riding my V-Strom untill it reaches 300 000kms.
And if it is like my Wee-Strom, you will still get 30% of MSRP when you do sell it.
Or save £3500 with a Moto Morini X-Scape?
There saying its bottom end & mid range power delivery
È possibile avere sottotitoli in italiano? Tanks
The problem with the T7 (I've got one) is that it's too top heavy...the center of gravity is too high. If your off road on slower more technical terrain it's very easy to have that tipping over feeling. It's a great road bike though but I'm still going to sell it.
What is it’s replacement going to be? Something more off road focused?
Buy the Aprilia!😍
@@HaggisPower I've ordered the 701 huski sm & going to fit some dual purpose tyres
@@bbouchan1 a hoon mobile!
top heavey lol what u like 5 ft i got one nothing is top heavy t7 perfect bike
Lighting aesthetic matches the other aprilia bikes yeah?
Excellent vid. Husqvarna are going to upset this comparison I suspect, if they ever release their Norden. It will have style and high quality components, plus tech…
You mean KTM painted white and less ugly?
Fortnine makes content so good, you here them on any motorbike channel here.
Unless ur a newbie, you don't really need different mapping on a 66o, so paying for that on this bike really doesn't pan out, I would say that the Cruise Control is a plus for those longer slabs to the off road section, and as far as the longer suspension goes, I ride off road in Arizona with my Tenere, and I haven't needed the extra travel. and if the forks use the same 20mm pistons as the KYB's in the Tenere, they will be the week link in pushing the toureg harder off road. I am keeping my money with the Tenere.
What part of AZ are you in? Still waiting on a T7 but have been entertaining a Tuareg recently. I’m in Payson. Great area for adventure.
I live in Mesa, been to Payson quite a few times but only did some off reading west of there, somewhere past a golf coarse on the west side, had a blast! Good luck on the T7, are you getting a 22 or a 23?
Italian reliability spooks me, although that might be a thing of the past.
Pretty early to say really, since nobody has even seen a production version of the Tuareg, let alone flog it down the trail for a week or two.
That Tuareg looks very promising.
the headlight seems to be similar enough to the rs and the tuono so... maybe to cut some corners (pun intended)
T700 does NOT have front wheel Off-switchable ABS, contrary to what you claim at 5:20
Ok.. Update needed. 👍
I can't get why some people would think that tubes wheels can be a advantage! Marketing for Yamaha, nothing else.
Let's look a facts:
-The 660 is higher on power and torque
-Larger fuel tank
-Lighter(Considering lower centre of gravity and larger fuel tank)
-Better suspension with more travel,
-Has tubeless wheels
-Lower centre of gravity,
-Better brakes (not breakers off of MT07)
-Has cruise control, ride mode, throttle by wire, TC
Tenere 700 advantages?
-None apart from it's mythical reliability.
-larger dealer network
I recently bought a T7 because I wasn't to fond of theTuareg, looks. However its growing on me, especially on full hooligan enduro looks.
hope they will change the fugly triangles front light design 😁
In the USA I’d still go with the Yamaha just because there’s more of them for repairs and parts alone access
I think if you put a high fender on the aprilia it will be bonkers
T7 sale's will go up now, from all the people that were holding out for this, thinking it would look like the concept, and have 100bhp and be 20kg lighter than the T7.
Don't worry, T700 feels heavier than 1250gs because of it's crazy high centre of gravity.
@@ampm9771
It's not quite that bad, I doubt poll taris could do the Seeker film on a 1250GS or use it for hard enduro.
Well I test rode an RS 660 that had a top end knock straight from the factory so it's the T7 for me. (i love the older Gen 1 millies and tuonos though) also the Turaeg headlights only a mother could love
Always click LIKE even b4 watching your video,btw looks the subframe is one piece 🤔
I like it but I think resale value might be to the advantage of the Yamaha
They seemingly wanted to keep the "double V" on the lights. And I cannot blame them. But obviously this looks bad on the adventure bike frame.
IMHO:
If they wanted to keep the "V"-s so badly maybe they should have let'em be much bigger. Run to the top of windscreen, even? Or maybe the other way round, put them inside the light bulbs, like a fake filament?.. Just scaling them down was a lame idea.
Avoid the triumph tiger. My mate bought one new and the base of the downpipes rotted through in 18 months. The replaced them for free but he wasn't happy.
It all boils down to reliability, that’s it
Those lights would be a deal breaker for me.
A lack of dealerships, suspect reliability will hold it back. Personally I like the headlight looks though.
Fair comparison will be Aprilia Tuareg 660 vs Yamaha Tenere 700 World Raid.
Greek subtitles???
My Aprilia Pegaso Strada 650 is nearly on 30,000 miles and I hoped that Aprilia would get this out soon. I'm in if, the build quality matches my 09 plate Pegaso
It will be done. I live near the factory
Snap! I got an 09 too!👍love the look & specs of the new bike. Aprilia for the win! ( vs yam.)
If I'm renting the bike for a dream vacay, for a weekend fling, I could rock with the Taureg. But, if I'm taking her home to mama, give me the Yamaha.
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The front light is so pretty much better than Tenere, I would buy Aprilia Tuareg over Yamaha Tenere
No you wouldn't - you'd test-ride both, preferably back-to-back, and make your decision from there. Or are you really telling me you choose a bike based on aesthetic properties of its headlight? I kind of hope so because that would be new levels of stupid the internet has revealed to me.
@@Unfunny_Username_389 exactly... how tf this can be called a comparison... hasnt even swung a leg over let alone ridden them... or... tested them... bloody Yammie Nub did a test... on tarseal ffs... lost my sub
@@Unfunny_Username_389 imagine some pathetic excuse for a human being choosing a bike based (partly) on looks, what an outrage, a shame, a crime against humanity and reason!
@@Gnerko123 Those - but mostly just a bit silly.
Hello, I test rode the T7 2021 and Tuareg 2022 and right away the T7 seemed more fit for purpose of a pure ride, it's a "get up and go" machine that you can figure out while waiting for green light on your way to adventure. While with Tuareg I keep staring at the LCD screen with million settings and colours and information overload, not paying attention to the road. Also, Tuareg felt flimsy and small, mind you I am over 6ft and 200lb+.
Reliability, price, part availability, dealer network, simplicity will be notably inferior. Won't be dethroning the T7 anytime soon.
Exactly i dunno what's so difficult to grasp 🤷🏽🤷🏽🤷🏽
I' ve not had any problems in urban areas getting my aprilias fixed or serviced by any garage. APRILIAS ARE GREAT BIKES. Can't wait to try this one.👍😘
I am the vain you speak of.
A bike can be perfect, but at the end of the day if I don’t like how it looks i don’t care. The T7 is just soooo sexy.
You hit the nail on the head about the Tuareg looks. The headlight is just… weird imo. If the Aprillia looked like those concepts you showed. it would be a toss up for me.
Love the Aprilia.
Italian manufacturers and reliability doesn't feels right in the same sentence. :D
Tuareg blows this T7 outta the water for the extra $2K, tubeless, cruise, TFT, ride modes, total adjustable suspension, -- only downer is dealership availability.
La comparan con la T 7 ... Y al parecer también cometieron los mismos errores ... Tapa del estanque , posición del escape , mini TFT y esperemos que no venga con una suspención de mierda.
From the side looks like tiger 800 xrx
Thing is, if you’re really gonna take these bikes to some real tough off-roading and long tour, you might want a more reliable brand and less electronics to potentially fail. Aprilia and Italian manufacturers in general might not excel in the reliability department, to be honest.
Also, dealer network and parts availability worldwide make it a no brainer to pick the T7 as the adv bike of choice.
@@paweltarnowski9367
Neither T7 's nor parts are readily available 🤔
Looks like concept Africa twin
Agreed. 👍🏻
No trae tensor o deslizador de cadena en offroad se va a salir de la catalina y provocar un accidente. Saludos
If you want to keep it for over a year, clearly the Yamaha. Italian bikes are gorgeous…right until they blow up🖤🧨
Which Italian bikes blow up?
@@rzu7120 My 1971 Minarelli blew up in so many different ways. I think the Italians have improved since then!
@@AF-O6 1971 Minarelli? LOL Purchased as the replacement for your ‘65 Topo Gigio!
Yamaha xt660z tenere with Minarelli engine, many people have traveled the world without problems.
I only had one engine that blew up. It was Japanese.