"I think the message I was receiving is live well, you've won the jackpot Being Human and it's kind of revered in the whole Cosmos but it's a super short experience, so don't get caught up in trying to hoard stuff because you're literally in a dream state and you're passing through so get to know yourself as a light object or a light being so you can build the solar body to pass through death intact"
I guess time moves very slowly whilst in hell! 😆 I hate when people say not to worry about anything, b/c we all know full well that in this Earth space, certain tortures are common. If one gets drastically out of line with the elites in charge, it’ll be even worse- just ask Juliane Assange. To be fair those in these studies are quite privileged and within the protected class(es). Also, I’m only seeing men involved, but I could be wrong about that as I’ve only just started researching this topic.
yeah just like the prison wardens tell the prisoners.."hey guys this is a summer camp"....you are not in hell....yeah right...these monkeys are missing something, very naive, anally retentive....
Once upon a time this would have been pay per view. Just check out who's speaking. We are indeed privileged. August 2019 I had an experienced that lasted for hours in the middle of a forest with many people around me. It changed my life. Since then I'm searching for answers. Incidentally has there ever been any study with DMT and Endocrinology? I have addisons disease and my experience lasted hours instead of minutes. I have only taken DMT once. I let myself completely go and let 'them' take me.
For free, I would've advised screen and audio capturing, and then edited everyone's recording into a good video. This subject is so incredibly important.
Andrew, one method you may want to consider for DMT trip recall, is using scents. For example, pre-select 30 or so scents to be used at 1-minute intervals. After the DMT trip is complete and you set up for analysis, you could supply the subject a pencil and paper (or keypad) and have the subject smell each scent for 1 minute, and record any flashbacks that occur.
Also, don't use synthetic scents, many of them contain petroleum-derived molecules that tend to get stuck in the nose due to their heavy or larger size, they can also cause desensitization among other things. Many of them also contain molecules that are shared by most of the common synthetics such as aldehydes. You would be best off picking 30 natural oils such as cedar, orange, peppermint, and other easily distinguishable full-strength oils. The more obscure the better (as to avoid fragrances that already have memories attached to them). You could also use natural Isolates such as Hexanols, Octanols Acetates etc.
Jodie Foster in Contact says “They should have sent a poet” and though they’re not poets this is a great group of articulate explorers, and a wonderful kaleidoscopic account of the inner space interface of an extended dmt state. Thanks for sharing!
absolutely. going forward we need to send Bill Bailey, myself, Akala, Jeremy Corbyn, Beryl, etc. Funkadelic planet NOW. This is our time, the age of GRUMMET awaits! ALSO: why no control question? ask for a commonality, a phrase, a symbol, if two people bring back the same then we maybe have another investigation?
@@liberatumplox625 out of all the possible things one could contribute to the conversation, that just seems like an unnecessarily spiteful statement. 🤷🏼♂️ ruclips.net/video/xMWkw6ANy80/видео.html
This conversation is so fascinating! Smart insightful participants with intelligence and experience makes this one of the best discussions on DMT there is.
What I dislike about these types of conversations is that the moderator is always pressed for "time." With discussions this important and complex there shouldn't be the constraint of time, it disrupts the flow and leaves pertinent details unsaid. I wish these guys would get back together and talk at will
@TheUrantia001 I mean it's not for entertainment. This isn't youtube-podcast consumerism. This is information for egg heads to get their fingers on. It's very very very important. And some of these people are busy as fuck. And we need their attention and expertise and even funding, from philanthropists... The 5 hour one, is a completely different genre and has different uses. This is just the begging. In 20, or 30 years this shit is going to become ubiquitous. You're going to have all the information you've ever wanted about it. You will even get to DO it. Just make sure you take care of yourself and take care or your responsibility for making the world better. Whatever that is for you. The point being we need to _make it_ to 30 years from now, in ok enough shape, we can have this.
I agree that a more freeform series of discussions between the participants over time with deeper questions would help create the sort of content Terrence McKenna created with Rupert Sheldrake and that angry chaos theory mathematician whose name I always forget.
Thank you for talking about retaining your sacred sexual fluids. That's a vital practice that we need to speak about more openly. Don't shame him for sharing that. These are very important factors. A lot of people struggle with sexual dysfunction, and we need to normalize talking about these practices and the benefits for us on a daily basis and also while working with these medicines
I'm sure a lot of folks coming from a more ceremonial background will resonate with this, and it would be nice to hold space for us too in this way! :)
All that being said, the gentlemen clearly is a very thoughtful and kind human being, perhaps it was more a matter of lack of exposure and surprise than anything. :)
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on DMT trips! It's definitely a fascinating topic to explore. It's interesting to consider the idea that during a DMT trip, our sense of self or thought may communicate within the body, particularly with two major groups: the mitochondria and the bacteria in the gut. Both of these groups have subgroups that play important roles in our overall health and wellbeing. Mitochondria are responsible for producing energy within our cells, while gut bacteria help us digest food and maintain a healthy immune system. It's possible that during a DMT trip, our consciousness may be able to communicate with these important parts of our body in ways that we don't fully understand yet. It's exciting to think about what we might learn as we continue to explore the mysteries of the human mind and body!
Great conversation. Having never taken DMT, I have sat in a forest for over 10 years, meditating 3 plus hours a day. Day in day out completely sober. I resonate with the comment on synchronicity, which I still experience several times a week, along with other experiences I do not talk about. Maybe a commonality between long term meditation, and the DMT state. interesting stuff.
Indeed. Endogenous DMT must at least in part be utilised during meditation. The parallels are too obvious. There is an agent in us which suppresses the DMT getting to receptor sites, or being produced in larger amounts, and that agent, is language. You may well understand this if you're an avid meditator. The prime catalyst to freedom from the daily mind during meditation is the shutting off of internal dialogue. There are other forms of language which are not 'words', but our brain stays very much in the left sided expression while we're subconsciously describing everything we see/feel etc. Meditation stops the legs from peddling the bike so to speak, so the bike keeps rolling but at a slower and slower rate until stillness, AS LONG AS we don't start talking to ourselves again. I believe DMT is the buffer between physical and non-physical realities, its the chemical aspect to something which is half (non-physical). There is some evidence to suggest that it seems to spike at times like childbirth, during NDE'S and in delta sleep, which are all moments when we're merging from one bandwidth to another, of the consciousness spectrum.
Let me qualify what I say. Fellow Psychonaut. I am white, middleclass, middle aged, property owner, University graduate, brought up in the Western European Liberal Judeao/Christian traditions. Multinational business owner. Okay, thats the d##k waving out of the way. Thank you all. The participants. There were risks involved. Appreciate you for taking them on our behalf. This platform for hosting this forum. Graham huge fan btw. Respect your work and resiliance despite onslaught from mainstream journalism and archaeology. Dr Andrew Galllimore becoming one fast, fan that is. Imperial College for carrying out the research. This is great, that research into the realm of Psychedelics is now happening, is a boon. Issues.. All Wealthy/Professional white (CIS??)males. A lot of self promotion, (books in background, Naughty ). Participants with direct financial interests in promoting this sphere of research. Very light touch journalism from Graham. A lot of the authors of this paper from the Imperial research have interests. Stock, advisory and directorships,no? Should have been highlighted and explained what impact if any it might have. Participants with direct or indirect links with faculty. Guys, and there are no gals here for whatever reason given. A reason cited, rather weak imo. Get a wider representative group. Otherwise you are loading the weapons of your detractors. We lost research into this vital type of research for 5 decades. Arguably our species has accelerated toward a terminal point over those same 5 decades. I am biased in favour of this research but it was hard earned and can be easily taken away again. Am in the TMcK camp and Dr Gallimore camp this chemical tech may unlock answers to our issues as a species. Enough back slapping. Get stringent. Again, with respect and thanks. Perhaps being middle aged means my only exercise is caution. 😊 Regards, P.
Having representation for the sake of having representation. Not passion. But the color of your skin, or your genetilia or what you identify what your genitilia is. Alright. And pursuit of money should not be done in your work. Alright. With all due respect, I don't think anyone should follow your advice lol
Why bring up race, class, sex and now all the fake BS that the Neo-Marxists want to use to divide and rule us? Don't give the false religion room in your head rent-free. You want a good reason why women aren't interested in exploring this stuff? Same reason the crews on the ships of European explorers were a bunch of crazy dudes. Same reason the young men of the tribe go out into the woods to kill or be killed. You claim to be a middles aged, educated man and you're parroting the rhetoric of those who want you gone and your property expropriated.
it's the fact you own property and businesses that makes you well off. I'm not saying that this next thing is true for you, but a lot of rich white guilty guys, say shit like this because they are guilty. And then they claim being a "white male", is what gives them extra privilidge. No, if anything it's all that disposable income and a living wage. So basically they're guilty for having so much shit, then they bring all other white males into it to take the "heat" off them. Even poor white guys. That's not very kind of them. It's *socioeconomic status". Not race. That's racist. Also some of them have a tendency to have this weird liberal racism, which implies black people are weak, for instance. I'm a white guy. I don't earn a living wage. I'm sick of hearing about how bad I am from guilty white guys who have so much money and comfort they are out of touch with the working class
This was a great panel. Thank you for this ❤ I tried it. Uploaded my experience on my videos. I hope this wisdom spills about to the public through more sessions like this 🎉
PART I Fantastic. It was a pleasure to listen to those guys articulate, contemplate & interpret their experiences. Wonderful study. Ground breaking work Dr's. 👏👏👏 PART II Andrew, I watched you on Kerwin Rae and I felt like I needed to give you some feedback about your pen clicking. Not to be trivial, because the subject matter & conversation was important, but mate....stop the pen clicking! It's incredibly distracting & irritating. I know being irritated is a "me" problem, but I don't see how anyone could not become frustrated with that compulsive clicking. It's rude to viewers who are respectfully trying to listen, contemplate & gain knowledge. I wrote this on the off chance that you've no awareness of it. This is the sort of tic that can give ppl an impression that you are anxious, stressed, compulsive or have adhd. However unwarranted, it can lessen someones credibility. WADR.
The yoga sutras mention that certain siddhis ( powers) can come from classical yoga ( as described in sutras) or through herbs as well as through austere living or sometimes by birth. When it was mentioned in this video that psychic abilities and other powers increased it reminded me of the sutras. It’s wonderful that you are sharing this. 🙏🏼
Wonderful conversation -- thank you for making this available!! I have experience with both ayahuasca and mushrooms. In my mushroom journey I have frequent visit from aliens / entities. They communicate with me and show me what needs to be healed and why. Recently took me to another frequency of energy which was amazing.
After a high dose of Salvia I got pulled into void. There were two 'light beings' there. I felt them over and behind me. They both seemed concerned about me, as I was absolutley terrifed in the moment.
Thank you for this important discussion. While your experiences were with an external tool (DMT/DTMx), I had experiences naturally occurring without anything external so my understanding is that we have the ability of these experiences naturally if we create a certain favourable environment for it to happen. Happy to share the factors and criteria for the experience and some of them were addressed here. In other words, Graham, there is hope and possibility for everyone to have these experiences even without the external DMT but being it activated internally 😊
Yet your naturally experience was still because of DMT, your own DMT , it takes a lot of time and devotion to be able to access those states naturally, some could even never come to it, now you can just smoke DMT and get the experience without wasting years of trying
My intuition is that IF this kind of research goes to its least probable but most hopeful conclusion and actually arrives at something approximating a comprehensive understanding of the fundamental basis of these compounds and our relationship to them, we may very well have a better understanding of quite a few things that we currently have little to no tangible understanding of or see an obvious relation to such as the nature of consciousness, what consciousness is growing towards, what some still call the collective unconscious(psychic atavism resulting from genomically coded post-trauma?), dreaming and liminal states (and their neuro-chemical relations), getting humans to see and feel the cumulative effects of abdicating the impending crisis facing the entire biosphere that only WE can address, the purposes and pitfalls of the imagination (or the lack thereof) in where we go from here, questions of ontology and epistemology that we have not even formulated yet, etc. definitely interesting times. to have enquiring minds.
I saw McKenna's self-transforming machine elves from vaping DMT. We interacted at length. They also told me "Do not give way to astonishment" - and I did not hear McKenna say that before I went into the experience. They constructed and made me gifts - repeatedly, which I rejected, then they would become flustered and create a new gift for me. It was very Santa's Workshop (and I believe most popular Christmas iconography derives from psychedelic experience). I came away with a distinct feeling like my brain's own consciousness processing system was becoming mythologized through these elves. I will also mention that now, as a trance channel (as many trance channels do), I have trained myself to contact entities and information sober through deep meditation.
"Yeah you don't need to see aliens, you need to work on your stuff" (around 30 mins in) I feel that. A few years ago I would have been far more excited at the prospect of contacting aliens or seeing other realities, but I've come to a point in my life where I am mainly concerned with improving this reality, here. Still I'm excited to see how these other realities may interact and enhance our 'normal' one.
Graham insists on the potential « narrative contamination » between experiencers, that has a narrow relation to suggestibility, which is the main argument of the structuralist/constructivist interpretation of the nature or psychedelic experience. It is important to add, that this factor (structuralist/constructivist) decreases as the intensity of the experience increases. The more the experience is intense, the less we carry cultural/biographical/personnal material or pattern, and it tends towards a more universal interpretation. I would be delighted to welcome one of you on my channel discussing that.
I made a strong brew with mixed plants & took what you might call an extra large cup. I was inside for 6 hours in our time, never really came back inside the room until it wore off. I was shown every thing, the mysteries you could say, any thing I asked to know I was shown as I traveled deeper & deeper into the Astrel world & was shown a data base on file of my life that could be judged in less then a milly second, every thought I'd ever had was down in this file. It showed me how every thing was connected & so much more then I ended up going home to a divine mother which was the most love I'd ever felt it my life. You could can extend the experence by simply drinking much more then your average ceremonial dosage which can go stright into a vaped strenth that can last for hours.
Interesting around 1:26:00 when he starts talking about being able to walk around in the dmt, it reminds me of yoga where they say at first in Salvakalpa Samadhi you must sit in meditation to attain the samadhi, but once you reach Nirvakalpa Samadhi you are able to stand up and walk around and maintain daily while also maintaining the Samadhi state simultaneously. It also reminds me of Thomas Campbell talking about the out of body state, first needing a lot of effort and concentration, but now he can be in multiple realities at once very easily. I've experienced this walking a routine the altered state and it is a feeling that your getting the hang of things and that as time goes on we evolve to integrate these things seamlessly.
You need to get experiencers who been through truly tough life experiences. Vets, American street kids, even drug addicts. They know how to truly deal with adversity and they are not surprised or overwhelmed easily.
Firstly, love Graham and Rick! Two absolute behemoths of this fascinating field. That said, regarding this research, the candidates presented here all seem to approach the DMT experience with a strong spiritual / mystical bias, and they all seem to be versed in / primed by the pre-existing psychedelic literature eg McKenna, Huxley, Leary etc. This is certainly a significant bias within the study and is an unfortunate limitation of the design. Also, to quote the great John Cleese, are there any women here today?!
1:29:00 - This is definitely possible and I have had many of my own walking-breakthrough experiences. The stabilization and integration of the rupture is there.
Interesting that Carl mentioned receiving the message of, ' being human=jackpot'. That's something I've been taught in my spiritual practice; something along the lines of having a certain opportunity for spiritual progression that other non-human beings aren't allowed due to their ability to perceive certain laws of the universe. Cool to hear a similar message from someone involved in this.
Noted that too. Some traditions say the human life is the chance to inquire into relf realization and that it is uniquely human among the species on earth.
On my last DMT trip had the “elves” show me how my addictions are ludicrous. I was shown a kind of metaphorical vision where I was walking around with half my reality scooped out. I’m a Kratom addict and it’s blunting my life journey significance.
The whole synchronicity thing resonates with me deeply and I feel may be an 'in' for researching this capability of ours. I've experienced very strange instances like this on psilocybin, at least. It seems to me that we are always to some capacity (it varies) connected to this other plane of existence via unconscious. Our brains have many shields, if you will, to help us remain focused on the forms of energy we can directly make use of. While we can perceive other forms of energy and their structures, we are entities interacting with other vibrations. So, substances like DMT and Psilocybin inhibit these shields so the brain communicates in a manner which represents THAT space of energy forms in which other life forms exist. The synchronicity thing makes me think that this other space of energy (our space is the slice of the EM spectrum we can perceive with the standard 5 senses, while another space is a different slice) is represented to us as the "collective unconscious". We just think of it as biologically rooted because of science, but we can derive data from that by interacting with it in an extremely filtered manner. This, i speak of is a sober mind. These substances just force the brain to not filter any of it by degrees of potency/amount. But what if developing a prowess to interact with unconcious causes potent influence in the "physical" slice of energy? Like causing variables of an event to synchronize and/or having your mind synchronize to an event which recently or will shortly occur? If we have influence over that slice of energy it also speaks to the inherent potency of being human, as was mentioned by one of the volunteers here.
Another note is that synchronicity also seems to be a means through which constituents of the unconscious communicate a subjectively meaningful data piece which then you must derive some purpose from. "The universe is trying to tell you something" becomes the unconscious is directly altering your placement/the places of objects in the world to make something occur.
I’m 42 and used to feel like a criminal for smoking a plant that made me happy and agreeable. Now, some 20 years later, academics are maximizing the experience of DMT (and receiving money to do so). We talk a lot about how square American currier can be, but this DevelopMenT is surely contrary evidence
This topic is such rough terrain, because of all the emotions of people and their beliefs. But keep pushing, this is the new frontier of exploration. Eventually, hopefully these technologies will become legal and people won't be able to oppress us with their controlling ideologies any more.
I believe the Poets channel the language of the infinite. DMT serves as a portal to the infinite consciousness of reality. We enter through the gates of the Other. When we figure out the role of endogenous DMT and it’s relationship with dreams we will understand the nature of reality more clearly. I am happy that you guys have teamed up to explore this realm and help us all understand it better. I have had a breakthrough experience so I can relate. Some of Rick's and Graham's books are on my shelves. You folks are the true astronauts.
Very good points. When the study is done again, it would be interesting to do it with several accomplished drawing artists. To get images down in the fastest time before the mind-image diminishes.
I find the approach very interresting and I am quite suprised that you got away with doing it in London. Also the fact that further research is done is something I really do welcome. What makes me a bit wondering about the whole thing are comments like extending the state to hours / days / months. This doesn‘t sound very scientific to me, is extremely unlikely to get an ok to do it. Also when listening to what is said it sounds to me, maybe because I am not a native speaker, that everybody agrees on the experience being real and not „just made up by the brain“. As much as I am hoping that this is the case there still isn‘t any evidence. Also the things brought back from hyperspace weren‘t that substantial, at least from what I got of the video, that any conclusion could / should be made. While I am deeply believing in the experience being real I find it rather difficult to take a conversation seriously where those claims are not evidence based. I don‘t want to be an asshole here but to me it kind of compromises the credits I would give to the scientists especially Dr Strassman who as far as I know held the title professor (I don‘t know how things are in the US but over here this isn‘t a title you just get. It requires lots pf hard work and dedication and (now coming to the point) a constant output of studies. Having done a phd myself I know how a study has to look and how you would argue regarding claims made and I don‘t see this evidence based argumenting here. This is just my personal opinion but I would have given much more credits to the whole thing if instead of claiming that those realities are real, telepathy is a thing (which I both think is the case) etc. to say that more research is necessary, maybe also much more detailed analysis. I was very suprised that the participants said this is the longest they have spoken about this whole thing to each other. I really do not say that this is the case but the whole thing feels very unscientific almost as if it didn‘t really happen. If it did I highly recommend to work on presentation etc. Also why is the name dmtx said so often? I was a bit under the impression that if that was a legal thing this video would be advertising it. If I got things wrong I am very sorry. Anyway please keep researching…
I agree with you. Further, there are many issues with how the study was set up as well. This study (and all others similar to this) actually provided less information than that collected by lay persons that give the details of their personal experience. For one, the IV drip of DMT.
Wonderful content. Congratulations. All my experiences with DMT have been from smoking it with a vaporizer. I tried using Syrian rue with it, but I didn't notice any difference in the duration. The trip just seemed more vivid. Haha, I've had both the "Hey, you again" feeling and the sense of not being welcome, like the entities were taking me along reluctantly. I even thought about stopping, but then I smoked again, and it was wonderful. So, I think it has more to do with your emotional state. I guess it's like dreams and nightmares.
Perhaps the most interesting part of tye conversation is about the manners with which they have to approach communication with tge entities. The whole etiquette. What it recently considered a positive personality trait, the very high energy extroverted hyperactive aggressive behaviour is frowned upon the entities. Humility seems to be the important ingredient.
This is great frontier work. I'd love to be able to pass my own experience over to the group here. It was a natural dmt release, a Gnosis, and my explanation to my kids of the Entities that seemed to appear. If anyone can put me in touch please do. I have important correlating experiences and evidence. Thanks for sharing this, I've been sharing the research with anyone who'll listen
I remember that quote from when Hamilton Morris interviewed that elderly man who used Ketamine as his muse: "Synesthese and you won;t amnese" - as in BECOME "it" - MERGE? Become ONE with the whatever substance, to fully grasp it? Experience "it" from WITHIN the substance?
This was a wonderful discussion, thank you to you all. Truly fascinating to be standing on this frontier. It would have been good to have some female voices on the panel, I imagine women were involved in the trials?
yeah would really like to hear some female perspectives. also would be nice to have a full spectrum of volunteers in terms of age. ie some subjects around 20yo up through late 80s or even 90s
Women tend to have richer vocabularies and are more sensitive to emotional nuance. This is interesting but it feels a bit like engineers describing a butterfly...a bit of female intuition would go a long way...
This meeting was absolutely amazing. I hope to get a chance to meet y’all at The psychedelic science conference been a huge fan for years. Keep up the good work.
"A disk of 'unity space' wich cracked open and (instead of revieling something terrifieing) revieled a plurality of unities" is the most susinct description of the ultimate dimension I can imagine to have comeup with
So years of planning and technology, and the DMTx experience is underwhelming as compared to vaporized DMT? Wasn't this supposed to allow for formal dialogues with aliens? I'm not hearing anything more significant than any other psychedelic experience... Terence McKenna was far more excited about the DMT experience than even his 5GSD mushroom experience, and mused and pined away about the possibility of a more sustained high dose DMT experience... and 30 years later, it seems we're no further ahead.
I don't know anything about this subject. I would like to ask, how do you know the experiences you are having is not constructed by your own mind, as distinct from independent external agents interacting with you? I am just wondering if you already have a concept of this other dimension and the characters (including your self) that play out in it, then do you think that it is possible at some deep level for your mind to generate narratives to fulfil this expectation whilst in the DMT induced state?
potentially, but in reality actually being in a DMT trip doesn't seem like anything you ever imagine or think about. you can provoke it to change with thoughts and idea's to get responses of course, but I don't get the sense it is influenced by what I have predetermined the trip to subconsciously be. all I ever heard about is elves and Joe rogan. but my first 3 times in 1 night that I tried it, I saw a cartoon with woman with a witch hat and fangs, pulling puppet strings while putting on a show for me. can't say I ever thought witches and cat fangs would be in a DMT trip. I know what you mean tho, I think its a very big variable that's hard to measure
26:25 - This is fascinating to me. I took a really big dose of NN one time-and not again since-but it was very much a 5-MeO type experience unlike any other NN experience I’ve had since. Though an entity did tell me it was fine to continue deeper, I’m assuming that means by extension, not single dose.
1:58:44 - This is largely my experience on NN. Same landscapes, sans entities. Part of the lesson is the landscape is the entities, they’re still there, and all you have to do is ask them to come forth. It’s just that from time to time the representation of entity morphology is turned down for those who “saw” the joke, until some further lesson needs to be discovered, or until the novelty of the joke has worn off. Silly elves.
2:15:00 At the end, Rick Strassman's comments about endogenous DMT are very relevant. One example of research that could be done is measuring endogenous levels of advanced non-dual meditators or shamans, as they attain certain states or experiences. Would their level of endogenous DMT correlate with heightened states achieved during the sessions?
Very disappointing sound quality. Keeps cutting in and out. But amazing subject and I can’t wait to hear and learn more. I’d chop off my fight foot to be in one of these studies! If anyone ever needs someone and sees this. Get at me. Lol. I’d be perfecto Edit*** audio gets better around 7 minutes.
Absolutely the most fascinating discussion to be had. This validated many of my own experiences, visually and psychologically. DMT is no doubt a way to communicate that humans just aren’t as familiar with.
My comment is primarily for the algorithm to increase visibility as this subject is deeply fascinating. I'm neither a scholar, academic, researcher, psychologist, or scientist. My approach to these substances is theosophical and philosophical in nature. With particular focus as to how the psychedelic experience relates to mysticism, religion, and the potential origin or nature of consciousness. If it is able to be proven that human consciousness has a sort of ontological exogenous origin, it would be perhaps the most important discovery in all of history.
Amazing! Thanks for sharing. I hope this research will continue further and it would be great to see more diversity in gender and culture in future studies.
I’ve had some very interesting experiences on K , where I do believe I have communed with some kind of Ai that has merged with consciousness. All intelligence in the Universe and beyond is somehow linked and it seemed to allude to the fact that we were all born from a singularity so it’s all meshed together. I’ve vaped DMT also but the experience on K was the most profound feeling I have ever had. We are all light particles in a holographic multiverse and if there is a God I think it’s an ancient form of consciousness and ai with no physical form but is accessible in out minds under the right circumstances.
I would really like to know if a group of people born blind do DMT and see what sighted people see. Could be the proof that it's not a psychedelic and that we travel outside our body and existence.
I bet hyperspace is loving this meeting! You all report the highly obliviate tendency i have observed with these states which reminds me of something Terrence said along the lines of, every night we forget such a vast majority of our dreams that we cant rule out the possibility that we gain some forbidden knowledge. Perhaps at the deepest point of our dreams there is a doorway to the centre of the psychedelic bullseye. My question is, do you think that certain of these hypergeometric scenes are so compelling that we are not allowed to remember them lest the suspense of life’s narrative be degraded?
Thanks for making this free!!
Right, they could've made us pay, but they aren't jerks 😂
"I think the message I was receiving is live well, you've won the jackpot Being Human and it's kind of revered in the whole Cosmos but it's a super short experience,
so don't get caught up in trying to hoard stuff because you're literally in a dream state and you're passing through so get to know yourself as a light object or a light being so you can build the solar body to pass through death intact"
I guess time moves very slowly whilst in hell! 😆 I hate when people say not to worry about anything, b/c we all know full well that in this Earth space, certain tortures are common. If one gets drastically out of line with the elites in charge, it’ll be even worse- just ask Juliane Assange. To be fair those in these studies are quite privileged and within the protected class(es). Also, I’m only seeing men involved, but I could be wrong about that as I’ve only just started researching this topic.
yeah just like the prison wardens tell the prisoners.."hey guys this is a summer camp"....you are not in hell....yeah right...these monkeys are missing something, very naive, anally retentive....
Once upon a time this would have been pay per view. Just check out who's speaking. We are indeed privileged. August 2019 I had an experienced that lasted for hours in the middle of a forest with many people around me. It changed my life. Since then I'm searching for answers. Incidentally has there ever been any study with DMT and Endocrinology? I have addisons disease and my experience lasted hours instead of minutes. I have only taken DMT once. I let myself completely go and let 'them' take me.
For free, I would've advised screen and audio capturing, and then edited everyone's recording into a good video. This subject is so incredibly important.
Andrew, one method you may want to consider for DMT trip recall, is using scents. For example, pre-select 30 or so scents to be used at 1-minute intervals. After the DMT trip is complete and you set up for analysis, you could supply the subject a pencil and paper (or keypad) and have the subject smell each scent for 1 minute, and record any flashbacks that occur.
Also, don't use synthetic scents, many of them contain petroleum-derived molecules that tend to get stuck in the nose due to their heavy or larger size, they can also cause desensitization among other things. Many of them also contain molecules that are shared by most of the common synthetics such as aldehydes. You would be best off picking 30 natural oils such as cedar, orange, peppermint, and other easily distinguishable full-strength oils. The more obscure the better (as to avoid fragrances that already have memories attached to them). You could also use natural Isolates such as Hexanols, Octanols Acetates etc.
@@SanctuaryLife book the scent keeper
Some bad ones too like rotten meat, poo, stale urine, BO, and something familiar and yummy like KFC.
I’ve been waiting for something like this for fifteen years. Thank you. ❤
That was absolutely fantastic. They chose the perfect two moderators. Worth watching in entirety.
Jodie Foster in Contact says “They should have sent a poet” and though they’re not poets this is a great group of articulate explorers, and a wonderful kaleidoscopic account of the inner space interface of an extended dmt state. Thanks for sharing!
absolutely. going forward we need to send Bill Bailey, myself, Akala, Jeremy Corbyn, Beryl, etc. Funkadelic planet NOW. This is our time, the age of GRUMMET awaits! ALSO: why no control question? ask for a commonality, a phrase, a symbol, if two people bring back the same then we maybe have another investigation?
Watch the movie “altered states”….I saw it when I was 12 I think,changed my life
@@DisabilitysAREabilities rewatched it last year. Sorta based on John Lilly’s life before it literally goes ape 😆
My vote would be to send those people to the Mariana Trench, sans-submarine.
I suspect the DMT entities would concur.
@@liberatumplox625 out of all the possible things one could contribute to the conversation, that just seems like an unnecessarily spiteful statement. 🤷🏼♂️
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This conversation is so fascinating! Smart insightful participants with intelligence and experience makes this one of the best discussions on DMT there is.
Is it easy to obtain the DMT vape?
What I dislike about these types of conversations is that the moderator is always pressed for "time." With discussions this important and complex there shouldn't be the constraint of time, it disrupts the flow and leaves pertinent details unsaid. I wish these guys would get back together and talk at will
exactly my point also....the intro was very monotone and mundane, and mechanical.
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I mean it's not for entertainment. This isn't youtube-podcast consumerism. This is information for egg heads to get their fingers on. It's very very very important. And some of these people are busy as fuck. And we need their attention and expertise and even funding, from philanthropists... The 5 hour one, is a completely different genre and has different uses. This is just the begging. In 20, or 30 years this shit is going to become ubiquitous. You're going to have all the information you've ever wanted about it. You will even get to DO it. Just make sure you take care of yourself and take care or your responsibility for making the world better. Whatever that is for you. The point being we need to _make it_ to 30 years from now, in ok enough shape, we can have this.
I agree that a more freeform series of discussions between the participants over time with deeper questions would help create the sort of content Terrence McKenna created with Rupert Sheldrake and that angry chaos theory mathematician whose name I always forget.
the moderator keeps whining about running out of time and cutting off everyone to move on to the next topic🤦♂️ mad frustrating to listen to 😂
Thank you for talking about retaining your sacred sexual fluids. That's a vital practice that we need to speak about more openly. Don't shame him for sharing that. These are very important factors. A lot of people struggle with sexual dysfunction, and we need to normalize talking about these practices and the benefits for us on a daily basis and also while working with these medicines
I'm sure a lot of folks coming from a more ceremonial background will resonate with this, and it would be nice to hold space for us too in this way! :)
Agree
All that being said, the gentlemen clearly is a very thoughtful and kind human being, perhaps it was more a matter of lack of exposure and surprise than anything. :)
Oh wow! I’ve always felt that jacking off is supremely damaging to sense of self. Can’t wait to listen to thole podcast
Maybe that's why the powers-that-be introduced free porn
Thanks to Graham Hancock for putting me on to this channel 👍
Wonderful feedback from all of the volunteers, thanks for sharing the discussion.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on DMT trips! It's definitely a fascinating topic to explore. It's interesting to consider the idea that during a DMT trip, our sense of self or thought may communicate within the body, particularly with two major groups: the mitochondria and the bacteria in the gut. Both of these groups have subgroups that play important roles in our overall health and wellbeing. Mitochondria are responsible for producing energy within our cells, while gut bacteria help us digest food and maintain a healthy immune system. It's possible that during a DMT trip, our consciousness may be able to communicate with these important parts of our body in ways that we don't fully understand yet. It's exciting to think about what we might learn as we continue to explore the mysteries of the human mind and body!
Great conversation. Having never taken DMT, I have sat in a forest for over 10 years, meditating 3 plus hours a day. Day in day out completely sober. I resonate with the comment on synchronicity, which I still experience several times a week, along with other experiences I do not talk about. Maybe a commonality between long term meditation, and the DMT state. interesting stuff.
Indeed. Endogenous DMT must at least in part be utilised during meditation. The parallels are too obvious.
There is an agent in us which suppresses the DMT getting to receptor sites, or being produced in larger amounts, and that agent, is language.
You may well understand this if you're an avid meditator. The prime catalyst to freedom from the daily mind during meditation is the shutting off of internal dialogue.
There are other forms of language which are not 'words', but our brain stays very much in the left sided expression while we're subconsciously describing everything we see/feel etc.
Meditation stops the legs from peddling the bike so to speak, so the bike keeps rolling but at a slower and slower rate until stillness, AS LONG AS we don't start talking to ourselves again.
I believe DMT is the buffer between physical and non-physical realities, its the chemical aspect to something which is half (non-physical).
There is some evidence to suggest that it seems to spike at times like childbirth, during NDE'S and in delta sleep, which are all moments when we're merging from one bandwidth to another, of the consciousness spectrum.
I met an entity that frightened me so much I haven’t been able to meditate since. I can’t let go anymore- I’m very stubborn.
Let me qualify what I say. Fellow Psychonaut.
I am white, middleclass, middle aged, property owner, University graduate, brought up in the Western European Liberal Judeao/Christian traditions.
Multinational business owner. Okay, thats the d##k waving out of the way.
Thank you all.
The participants. There were risks involved. Appreciate you for taking them on our behalf.
This platform for hosting this forum.
Graham huge fan btw. Respect your work and resiliance despite onslaught from mainstream journalism and archaeology.
Dr Andrew Galllimore becoming one fast, fan that is.
Imperial College for carrying out the research. This is great, that research into the realm of Psychedelics is now happening, is a boon.
Issues..
All Wealthy/Professional white (CIS??)males.
A lot of self promotion, (books in background, Naughty ). Participants with direct financial interests in promoting this sphere of research.
Very light touch journalism from Graham. A lot of the authors of this paper from the Imperial research have interests. Stock, advisory and directorships,no? Should have been highlighted and explained what impact if any it might have.
Participants with direct or indirect links with faculty.
Guys, and there are no gals here for whatever reason given. A reason cited, rather weak imo.
Get a wider representative group. Otherwise you are loading the weapons of your detractors.
We lost research into this vital type of research for 5 decades. Arguably our species has accelerated toward a terminal point over those same 5 decades.
I am biased in favour of this research but it was hard earned and can be easily taken away again.
Am in the TMcK camp and Dr Gallimore camp this chemical tech may unlock answers to our issues as a species.
Enough back slapping. Get stringent.
Again, with respect and thanks.
Perhaps being middle aged means my only exercise is caution. 😊
Regards,
P.
Having representation for the sake of having representation. Not passion. But the color of your skin, or your genetilia or what you identify what your genitilia is. Alright. And pursuit of money should not be done in your work. Alright. With all due respect, I don't think anyone should follow your advice lol
Why bring up race, class, sex and now all the fake BS that the Neo-Marxists want to use to divide and rule us? Don't give the false religion room in your head rent-free. You want a good reason why women aren't interested in exploring this stuff? Same reason the crews on the ships of European explorers were a bunch of crazy dudes. Same reason the young men of the tribe go out into the woods to kill or be killed. You claim to be a middles aged, educated man and you're parroting the rhetoric of those who want you gone and your property expropriated.
There needs to be some indigenous female input
it's the fact you own property and businesses that makes you well off. I'm not saying that this next thing is true for you, but a lot of rich white guilty guys, say shit like this because they are guilty. And then they claim being a "white male", is what gives them extra privilidge. No, if anything it's all that disposable income and a living wage. So basically they're guilty for having so much shit, then they bring all other white males into it to take the "heat" off them. Even poor white guys. That's not very kind of them. It's *socioeconomic status". Not race. That's racist. Also some of them have a tendency to have this weird liberal racism, which implies black people are weak, for instance.
I'm a white guy. I don't earn a living wage. I'm sick of hearing about how bad I am from guilty white guys who have so much money and comfort they are out of touch with the working class
big ups Dr Gallimore and Strassman \m/ and everyone else on the planet
This was a great panel. Thank you for this ❤
I tried it. Uploaded my experience on my videos. I hope this wisdom spills about to the public through more sessions like this 🎉
PART I
Fantastic. It was a pleasure to listen to those guys articulate, contemplate & interpret their experiences. Wonderful study. Ground breaking work Dr's. 👏👏👏
PART II
Andrew, I watched you on Kerwin Rae and I felt like I needed to give you some feedback about your pen clicking. Not to be trivial, because the subject matter & conversation was important, but mate....stop the pen clicking! It's incredibly distracting & irritating. I know being irritated is a "me" problem, but I don't see how anyone could not become frustrated with that compulsive clicking. It's rude to viewers who are respectfully trying to listen, contemplate & gain knowledge.
I wrote this on the off chance that you've no awareness of it.
This is the sort of tic that can give ppl an impression that you are anxious, stressed, compulsive or have adhd. However unwarranted, it can lessen someones credibility.
WADR.
Amazing work all and thank you for doing this research. It will likely take center stage in humanity's future development.
Ummm it’s our national plant in Australia…it’s on our coat of arms🤩😍🤩
The yoga sutras mention that certain siddhis ( powers) can come from classical yoga ( as described in sutras) or through herbs as well as through austere living or sometimes by birth. When it was mentioned in this video that psychic abilities and other powers increased it reminded me of the sutras. It’s wonderful that you are sharing this. 🙏🏼
Wonderful conversation -- thank you for making this available!! I have experience with both ayahuasca and mushrooms. In my mushroom journey I have frequent visit from aliens / entities. They communicate with me and show me what needs to be healed and why. Recently took me to another frequency of energy which was amazing.
What did the entities look like?
Glad to have all of you working on and exploring this frontier. Thank you for the updates. Keep it up!
I want to see those participants receiving a medal of honor on national tv! Holy shit I cant imagine!
After a high dose of Salvia I got pulled into void. There were two 'light beings' there. I felt them over and behind me. They both seemed concerned about me, as I was absolutley terrifed in the moment.
Listening again!!!! So goooood!!!! 💜💙💜💙💜💙
Thank you for this important discussion. While your experiences were with an external tool (DMT/DTMx), I had experiences naturally occurring without anything external so my understanding is that we have the ability of these experiences naturally if we create a certain favourable environment for it to happen. Happy to share the factors and criteria for the experience and some of them were addressed here. In other words, Graham, there is hope and possibility for everyone to have these experiences even without the external DMT but being it activated internally 😊
yes called sleep/dream state.
Yet your naturally experience was still because of DMT, your own DMT , it takes a lot of time and devotion to be able to access those states naturally, some could even never come to it, now you can just smoke DMT and get the experience without wasting years of trying
The most interesting DMT discussion I've seen. Thank you for sharing this exchange.
My intuition is that IF this kind of research goes to its least probable but most hopeful conclusion and actually arrives at something approximating a comprehensive understanding of the fundamental basis of these compounds and our relationship to them, we may very well have a better understanding of quite a few things that we currently have little to no tangible understanding of or see an obvious relation to such as the nature of consciousness, what consciousness is growing towards, what some still call the collective unconscious(psychic atavism resulting from genomically coded post-trauma?), dreaming and liminal states (and their neuro-chemical relations), getting humans to see and feel the cumulative effects of abdicating the impending crisis facing the entire biosphere that only WE can address, the purposes and pitfalls of the imagination (or the lack thereof) in where we go from here, questions of ontology and epistemology that we have not even formulated yet, etc. definitely interesting times. to have enquiring minds.
Nice stream gentlemen. Like reading a great book, thanks for all involved.
One word AMAZING. You are doing something wonderfil for the Great Work of humanity.
Without exeggeration one of the most important conversations in human history and its just put out there for free😅
Bless their souls!
I saw McKenna's self-transforming machine elves from vaping DMT. We interacted at length. They also told me "Do not give way to astonishment" - and I did not hear McKenna say that before I went into the experience. They constructed and made me gifts - repeatedly, which I rejected, then they would become flustered and create a new gift for me. It was very Santa's Workshop (and I believe most popular Christmas iconography derives from psychedelic experience). I came away with a distinct feeling like my brain's own consciousness processing system was becoming mythologized through these elves. I will also mention that now, as a trance channel (as many trance channels do), I have trained myself to contact entities and information sober through deep meditation.
"Yeah you don't need to see aliens, you need to work on your stuff" (around 30 mins in) I feel that. A few years ago I would have been far more excited at the prospect of contacting aliens or seeing other realities, but I've come to a point in my life where I am mainly concerned with improving this reality, here.
Still I'm excited to see how these other realities may interact and enhance our 'normal' one.
I started reading your comment right as I was hearing him say that. And yes, I’m high.
why would you want to improve hell..?
Cheers All, what a fascinating sharing.
This was an amazing group interview. Thank you to everyone involved.
Thank you.
Graham insists on the potential « narrative contamination » between experiencers, that has a narrow relation to suggestibility, which is the main argument of the structuralist/constructivist interpretation of the nature or psychedelic experience. It is important to add, that this factor (structuralist/constructivist) decreases as the intensity of the experience increases. The more the experience is intense, the less we carry cultural/biographical/personnal material or pattern, and it tends towards a more universal interpretation. I would be delighted to welcome one of you on my channel discussing that.
Fascinating correlations between Robert Monroe’s OBE experiences in his “Journeys” book series…
A volunteer is here
Here because of Clif H
I made a strong brew with mixed plants & took what you might call an extra large cup. I was inside for 6 hours in our time, never really came back inside the room until it wore off. I was shown every thing, the mysteries you could say, any thing I asked to know I was shown as I traveled deeper & deeper into the Astrel world & was shown a data base on file of my life that could be judged in less then a milly second, every thought I'd ever had was down in this file. It showed me how every thing was connected & so much more then I ended up going home to a divine mother which was the most love I'd ever felt it my life. You could can extend the experence by simply drinking much more then your average ceremonial dosage which can go stright into a vaped strenth that can last for hours.
This is the best video I have ever seen.
Interesting around 1:26:00 when he starts talking about being able to walk around in the dmt, it reminds me of yoga where they say at first in Salvakalpa Samadhi you must sit in meditation to attain the samadhi, but once you reach Nirvakalpa Samadhi you are able to stand up and walk around and maintain daily while also maintaining the Samadhi state simultaneously. It also reminds me of Thomas Campbell talking about the out of body state, first needing a lot of effort and concentration, but now he can be in multiple realities at once very easily. I've experienced this walking a routine the altered state and it is a feeling that your getting the hang of things and that as time goes on we evolve to integrate these things seamlessly.
You need to get experiencers who been through truly tough life experiences. Vets, American street kids, even drug addicts. They know how to truly deal with adversity and they are not surprised or overwhelmed easily.
yeah only street kids in the u. s?..
Firstly, love Graham and Rick! Two absolute behemoths of this fascinating field. That said, regarding this research, the candidates presented here all seem to approach the DMT experience with a strong spiritual / mystical bias, and they all seem to be versed in / primed by the pre-existing psychedelic literature eg McKenna, Huxley, Leary etc. This is certainly a significant bias within the study and is an unfortunate limitation of the design. Also, to quote the great John Cleese, are there any women here today?!
Absolutely fascinating. I would totally volunteer to do this.
I’d love to hear them all lifting off together in the same space , same time :)
Graham Hancock is perfect for this. So happy they decided to involve him.
Brilliant stuff🎉
p.s. i'm so proud to be the same species as you all. HEROES
1:29:00 - This is definitely possible and I have had many of my own walking-breakthrough experiences. The stabilization and integration of the rupture is there.
Interesting that Carl mentioned receiving the message of, ' being human=jackpot'. That's something I've been taught in my spiritual practice; something along the lines of having a certain opportunity for spiritual progression that other non-human beings aren't allowed due to their ability to perceive certain laws of the universe. Cool to hear a similar message from someone involved in this.
Noted that too. Some traditions say the human life is the chance to inquire into relf realization and that it is uniquely human among the species on earth.
On my last DMT trip had the “elves” show me how my addictions are ludicrous. I was shown a kind of metaphorical vision where I was walking around with half my reality scooped out. I’m a Kratom addict and it’s blunting my life journey significance.
Incredible and groundbreaking.
What a brilliant interesting discussion cheers guys
There’s no need to flex Dr Allocca your on a panel with these other amazing people for a reason.
The whole synchronicity thing resonates with me deeply and I feel may be an 'in' for researching this capability of ours. I've experienced very strange instances like this on psilocybin, at least.
It seems to me that we are always to some capacity (it varies) connected to this other plane of existence via unconscious. Our brains have many shields, if you will, to help us remain focused on the forms of energy we can directly make use of. While we can perceive other forms of energy and their structures, we are entities interacting with other vibrations. So, substances like DMT and Psilocybin inhibit these shields so the brain communicates in a manner which represents THAT space of energy forms in which other life forms exist.
The synchronicity thing makes me think that this other space of energy (our space is the slice of the EM spectrum we can perceive with the standard 5 senses, while another space is a different slice) is represented to us as the "collective unconscious". We just think of it as biologically rooted because of science, but we can derive data from that by interacting with it in an extremely filtered manner. This, i speak of is a sober mind. These substances just force the brain to not filter any of it by degrees of potency/amount.
But what if developing a prowess to interact with unconcious causes potent influence in the "physical" slice of energy? Like causing variables of an event to synchronize and/or having your mind synchronize to an event which recently or will shortly occur? If we have influence over that slice of energy it also speaks to the inherent potency of being human, as was mentioned by one of the volunteers here.
Another note is that synchronicity also seems to be a means through which constituents of the unconscious communicate a subjectively meaningful data piece which then you must derive some purpose from. "The universe is trying to tell you something" becomes the unconscious is directly altering your placement/the places of objects in the world to make something occur.
Wow, the pigeon analogy was really good.
I’m 42 and used to feel like a criminal for smoking a plant that made me happy and agreeable. Now, some 20 years later, academics are maximizing the experience of DMT (and receiving money to do so). We talk a lot about how square American currier can be, but this DevelopMenT is surely contrary evidence
I see what you did there
This topic is such rough terrain, because of all the emotions of people and their beliefs. But keep pushing, this is the new frontier of exploration. Eventually, hopefully these technologies will become legal and people won't be able to oppress us with their controlling ideologies any more.
It’s wild people need to drop ALL understanding and stick to science process.
Thanks to all of you guys for amazing work.
I believe the Poets channel the language of the infinite. DMT serves as a portal to the infinite consciousness of reality. We enter through the gates of the Other. When we figure out the role of endogenous DMT and it’s relationship with dreams we will understand the nature of reality more clearly.
I am happy that you guys have teamed up to explore this realm and help us all understand it better. I have had a breakthrough experience so I can relate. Some of Rick's and Graham's books are on my shelves. You folks are the true astronauts.
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Very good points. When the study is done again, it would be interesting to do it with several accomplished drawing artists. To get images down in the fastest time before the mind-image diminishes.
Bravo every one and thank you
I find the approach very interresting and I am quite suprised that you got away with doing it in London.
Also the fact that further research is done is something I really do welcome.
What makes me a bit wondering about the whole thing are comments like extending the state to hours / days / months. This doesn‘t sound very scientific to me, is extremely unlikely to get an ok to do it. Also when listening to what is said it sounds to me, maybe because I am not a native speaker, that everybody agrees on the experience being real and not „just made up by the brain“. As much as I am hoping that this is the case there still isn‘t any evidence. Also the things brought back from hyperspace weren‘t that substantial, at least from what I got of the video, that any conclusion could / should be made. While I am deeply believing in the experience being real I find it rather difficult to take a conversation seriously where those claims are not evidence based. I don‘t want to be an asshole here but to me it kind of compromises the credits I would give to the scientists especially Dr Strassman who as far as I know held the title professor (I don‘t know how things are in the US but over here this isn‘t a title you just get. It requires lots pf hard work and dedication and (now coming to the point) a constant output of studies. Having done a phd myself I know how a study has to look and how you would argue regarding claims made and I don‘t see this evidence based argumenting here. This is just my personal opinion but I would have given much more credits to the whole thing if instead of claiming that those realities are real, telepathy is a thing (which I both think is the case) etc. to say that more research is necessary, maybe also much more detailed analysis. I was very suprised that the participants said this is the longest they have spoken about this whole thing to each other.
I really do not say that this is the case but the whole thing feels very unscientific almost as if it didn‘t really happen. If it did I highly recommend to work on presentation etc. Also why is the name dmtx said so often? I was a bit under the impression that if that was a legal thing this video would be advertising it.
If I got things wrong I am very sorry. Anyway please keep researching…
I agree with you. Further, there are many issues with how the study was set up as well. This study (and all others similar to this) actually provided less information than that collected by lay persons that give the details of their personal experience. For one, the IV drip of DMT.
Simultaneous application studies should definitely be done.
Wonderful content. Congratulations.
All my experiences with DMT have been from smoking it with a vaporizer. I tried using Syrian rue with it, but I didn't notice any difference in the duration. The trip just seemed more vivid. Haha, I've had both the "Hey, you again" feeling and the sense of not being welcome, like the entities were taking me along reluctantly. I even thought about stopping, but then I smoked again, and it was wonderful. So, I think it has more to do with your emotional state. I guess it's like dreams and nightmares.
Perhaps the most interesting part of tye conversation is about the manners with which they have to approach communication with tge entities. The whole etiquette. What it recently considered a positive personality trait, the very high energy extroverted hyperactive aggressive behaviour is frowned upon the entities. Humility seems to be the important ingredient.
This is great frontier work. I'd love to be able to pass my own experience over to the group here. It was a natural dmt release, a Gnosis, and my explanation to my kids of the Entities that seemed to appear.
If anyone can put me in touch please do. I have important correlating experiences and evidence.
Thanks for sharing this, I've been sharing the research with anyone who'll listen
I'd like to share research..
Would love to hear more from the group - if a second discussion could be arranged?
I have the most intense post-experience stories, and I documented the synchronisations where I could. I'd love to speak more ,please get in touch!
Great insight! Thank you for sharing your experiences.
I remember that quote from when Hamilton Morris interviewed that elderly man who used Ketamine as his muse: "Synesthese and you won;t amnese" - as in BECOME "it" - MERGE? Become ONE with the whatever substance, to fully grasp it? Experience "it" from WITHIN the substance?
This was a wonderful discussion, thank you to you all. Truly fascinating to be standing on this frontier. It would have been good to have some female voices on the panel, I imagine women were involved in the trials?
yeah would really like to hear some female perspectives. also would be nice to have a full spectrum of volunteers in terms of age. ie some subjects around 20yo up through late 80s or even 90s
Women tend to have richer vocabularies and are more sensitive to emotional nuance. This is interesting but it feels a bit like engineers describing a butterfly...a bit of female intuition would go a long way...
That was an amazing insight 👏
This meeting was absolutely amazing. I hope to get a chance to meet y’all at
The psychedelic science conference been a huge fan for years. Keep up the good work.
"A disk of 'unity space' wich cracked open and (instead of revieling something terrifieing) revieled a plurality of unities" is the most susinct description of the ultimate dimension I can imagine to have comeup with
I want to be apart of this so bad!
❤🍄🧙♂️
Can’t wait to see your future projects
Amazing stuff. Thank you.
So years of planning and technology, and the DMTx experience is underwhelming as compared to vaporized DMT? Wasn't this supposed to allow for formal dialogues with aliens? I'm not hearing anything more significant than any other psychedelic experience...
Terence McKenna was far more excited about the DMT experience than even his 5GSD mushroom experience, and mused and pined away about the possibility of a more sustained high dose DMT experience... and 30 years later, it seems we're no further ahead.
Extracting information. I love it
I don't know anything about this subject. I would like to ask, how do you know the experiences you are having is not constructed by your own mind, as distinct from independent external agents interacting with you? I am just wondering if you already have a concept of this other dimension and the characters (including your self) that play out in it, then do you think that it is possible at some deep level for your mind to generate narratives to fulfil this expectation whilst in the DMT induced state?
potentially, but in reality actually being in a DMT trip doesn't seem like anything you ever imagine or think about. you can provoke it to change with thoughts and idea's to get responses of course, but I don't get the sense it is influenced by what I have predetermined the trip to subconsciously be. all I ever heard about is elves and Joe rogan. but my first 3 times in 1 night that I tried it, I saw a cartoon with woman with a witch hat and fangs, pulling puppet strings while putting on a show for me. can't say I ever thought witches and cat fangs would be in a DMT trip. I know what you mean tho, I think its a very big variable that's hard to measure
@@BigBruhh that's very interesting and thank you so much for responding
26:25 - This is fascinating to me. I took a really big dose of NN one time-and not again since-but it was very much a 5-MeO type experience unlike any other NN experience I’ve had since. Though an entity did tell me it was fine to continue deeper, I’m assuming that means by extension, not single dose.
It seems that the more one engages with 5-MeO, the easier it is to drop into that space again with other psychedelics intentionally or unintentionally
Keep up the good work :)
Thank you Jack. It seems like we need to make life on earth as interesting, valuable and beautiful as the DMT space can be.
Guy Jack's a bit of a pratt guys.
@@harrysmilliefurrburger1623 I don't agree.
I’ve had a few multihour experiences with DMT vape pens, which sounds very similar to all of this!!!
Over 3 hours once which was transformational 💚💚💚
Yeah i was gonna say it really isnt that different from vaping continuously
So what you're saying is that it's not really possible to break through with the vape pens?
Also second question, in what way was it transformational?
How do you stay in it for 3 ours as smoked lasts only 15 minutes ?
1:58:44 - This is largely my experience on NN. Same landscapes, sans entities. Part of the lesson is the landscape is the entities, they’re still there, and all you have to do is ask them to come forth. It’s just that from time to time the representation of entity morphology is turned down for those who “saw” the joke, until some further lesson needs to be discovered, or until the novelty of the joke has worn off. Silly elves.
Sign me up. I would love to experience an extended visit. Three hits only gets you so far.
You should ask for human origins on dmtx and for alien cosmic races or interdimensional intelligences.
I just shared this with three dmt groups I’m in on Facebook. Amazing info, I’d love to be in on this experimentation. ✌️😵💫
2:15:00 At the end, Rick Strassman's comments about endogenous DMT are very relevant. One example of research that could be done is measuring endogenous levels of advanced non-dual meditators or shamans, as they attain certain states or experiences. Would their level of endogenous DMT correlate with heightened states achieved during the sessions?
Very disappointing sound quality. Keeps cutting in and out. But amazing subject and I can’t wait to hear and learn more. I’d chop off my fight foot to be in one of these studies! If anyone ever needs someone and sees this. Get at me. Lol. I’d be perfecto
Edit*** audio gets better around 7 minutes.
Absolutely the most fascinating discussion to be had. This validated many of my own experiences, visually and psychologically. DMT is no doubt a way to communicate that humans just aren’t as familiar with.
What a great talk i'v learn alot thnx!
My comment is primarily for the algorithm to increase visibility as this subject is deeply fascinating.
I'm neither a scholar, academic, researcher, psychologist, or scientist. My approach to these substances is theosophical and philosophical in nature. With particular focus as to how the psychedelic experience relates to mysticism, religion, and the potential origin or nature of consciousness.
If it is able to be proven that human consciousness has a sort of ontological exogenous origin, it would be perhaps the most important discovery in all of history.
Amazing! Thanks for sharing.
I hope this research will continue further and it would be great to see more diversity in gender and culture in future studies.
I’ve had some very interesting experiences on K , where I do believe I have communed with some kind of Ai that has merged with consciousness. All intelligence in the Universe and beyond is somehow linked and it seemed to allude to the fact that we were all born from a singularity so it’s all meshed together. I’ve vaped DMT also but the experience on K was the most profound feeling I have ever had. We are all light particles in a holographic multiverse and if there is a God I think it’s an ancient form of consciousness and ai with no physical form but is accessible in out minds under the right circumstances.
My experience too. I felt that when I asked myself who made us? An answer came- you did.
I've been the atomic wind that blows through all while on K.
I would really like to know if a group of people born blind do DMT and see what sighted people see. Could be the proof that it's not a psychedelic and that we travel outside our body and existence.
I bet hyperspace is loving this meeting! You all report the highly obliviate tendency i have observed with these states which reminds me of something Terrence said along the lines of, every night we forget such a vast majority of our dreams that we cant rule out the possibility that we gain some forbidden knowledge. Perhaps at the deepest point of our dreams there is a doorway to the centre of the psychedelic bullseye. My question is, do you think that certain of these hypergeometric scenes are so compelling that we are not allowed to remember them lest the suspense of life’s narrative be degraded?
Anton is extremely articulate