During Breakfast (2023-04-11), BBC News accidentally broadcast a whole set of graphics that belonged to a completely different channel. How did this happen?
Ok, so the conclusion is, the chaos only happens for UK feed of BBC News, not the World one or the Main one. Can't wait for the news compilation again.
Assuming these wouldn't have been visible on the PGM monitor in the gallery if the graphics came from outside Salford? And instead would only have been picked up on the channel multiviewer (if that really gets paid attention to very much during a live broadcast). I would have expected it to be an automated switch
Pretty much! Because London opts in to Salford for Breakfast, Salford would have no idea this was happening unless they had previews for BBC One and the UK News Feed.
What's with the different BBC URLs on the ticker between the BBC News UK feed and World feed though? Does the graphics engine change that automatically for the two feeds as well? @tevebits
Yes, they are two separate Viz engines that can display different things for their dedicated outputs. If you feed the same data to both of them (usually from a running order in OpenMedia), they will display the same headlines but can use a slightly different template (e.g. "BBC World News" vs. "BBC News" back when both existed). The same goes for the URL.
Literally BBC ONE Output Showing Non BBC News Headlines But On The Wrong Side On BBC NEWS (UK Feed) Showing A Confused BBC NEWS & BBC BREAKFAST Headlines But On The Right Side BBC NEWS (World Feed) Showing A BBC News Headlines And An Intro Of BBC NEWS
The thing is, as a part of a cost cutting measure, the BBC's domestic and international news channel divisions are now housed in one, with some differences (i.e. international version has commercial break, UK version has something else like a pre-taped interview).
(0:22) "BBC Bits" 🤣🤣 In seriousness though, I'm surprised someone in the News Channel control room wouldn't have realised that they had accidentally routed the wrong signal, considering that each monitor would've been labelled with the name of the feed connected to it.
Yes, genererally that's how mistakes like this should get spotted rather quickly. But... the UK feed of BBC News does not have a dedicated presentation suite. It's just different galleries that switch themselves into circuit as needed (for now).
@@tevebits Shouldn't the person looking after the graphics (and indeed anyone else working in the same gallery) for the world feed still have a monitor showing the UK feed though, precisely because blunders like this are possible? Also, do the viz engines need to be available to multiple feeds though? One dedicated to each feed would mitigate this issue.
@@donaloflynn from working at a regional tv station I’m guessing that at 6am you had a BBC one crew in and a BBC News (world) crew and BBC news (UK) was automatic. We see that at the start News(uk) is getting video from News (world) even including a nice flash frame on the lady in blue until we got video from BBC one I’m guessing that the down stream keys (which normally brings the astons/lower thirds in or out) didn’t. Now let’s think of the time it takes to get them off and the run up with no added delay the time it takes to go out to you is about 8 seconds (call that 10) takes about 10 for the guy in the other room watching it go “oh fudge” and ring gallery bout 10 seconds for the person to then realise what they are going on about yell “Steve it’s for you” (there’s always a Steve or Mark) 5 seconds to get the phone down to Steve (now you are doing you job with a phone cord over you), another 10 for steve to work out what’s going on (we are 45 seconds in and the person who can do something has been informed), from mistakenly bumping fade after a show I know it takes up to 30 to remote in and sort out the source, so that gives Steve about 35 seconds to have moved to a computer that would allow him to remote in if we then include the out delay of 10
It's a shame we don't get BBC Breakfast on the World feed. I know it wouldn't be breakfast time elsewhere but I'd rather see more of the UK feed than custom programming.
The world feed (and BBC World News before it) isn't supposed to be about domestic UK affairs though. The whole point is to be an international news channel. What annoys me is the opposite. You can't watch the world feed within the UK unless you've got a big enough satellite dish to pick up channels beamed to mainland Europe. I'd like to be able to watch World News America (maybe the name has changed now?) but you can't even stream it legally. All I've found is a really low quality pirate stream.
@@donaloflynn Yes, they're an international news channel that is designed to provide information about what is happening back "home." Great for expats and those wanting the British perspective. That said I only know about World News America from it airing on PBS. Part of the problem is that they expect viewers to watch such via cable or satellite. I'm guessing the providers maybe contribute to carry it?
How does the clock in the bottom right stay on top though? 🤔 It seems to come frome the breakfast channel but is actually in front of the blank white ticker banner?
The clock on top of the white banner (called "ticker") is the News channel's clock. It is separate from the Breakfast's clock (if you pay close attention the Breakfast's clock is slightly larger). In this case, the Breakfast clock is covered up by the NC's ticker and clock. Only the UK feed of the News channel has the clock on top of the ticker. The world feed does not.
So all UK feed only programmes are opt-outs from the world feed which takes primacy? That's what I'd already understood from the press release about the merger, but until seeing this I'd have assumed that the graphics were part and parcel of the world feed and would thus disappear when the UK feed opts out to Breakfast, Nicky Campell, BBC News at One etc. Wouldn't it make more sense for that to be the case? So that the world feed that the UK feed opts into would be output one stage later in the broadcast chain, i.e. after the viz engine has overlaid the graphics. That's what seems to be the case here as BBC One and the UK feed opt into the Salford feed for Breakfast. Incidentally, do Breakfast share their viz engine with North West Today? If some BBC region failed to opt out for their local news would their viewers get the news headlines for the North West or does BBC North West itself opt out to another feed from whichever studio NWT use while Breakfast is on?
Breakfast shares the same hardware and studio as North West Today/Tonight, Salford will do their own Viz engine stuff and then just send one feed direct to London, who opt in to Salford. The way London handles their Viz is certainly a little more complicated, it would make far more sense to just downstream key the graphics at the source instead of at pres. Not sure on how they handle opt failures. I presume you'd just see the full NWT regional news output?
The UK feed can't just take the World feed with pre-overlaid graphics because some graphics are shown differently even when they simulcast (the tickers are completely separate with different headlines, different links, and ofc the UK time clock which is only on the UK feed; and the live location graphics has a live location clock on World feed and not on the UK feed). This is the same Viz-linking system they've been using for ages to simulcast on both former domestic BBC News and former BBC World News, which also had different logos.
Thanks for walking us through this. It's always fascinating to see how technical glitches like this happen.
Interesting to see glitches like this explained! 😄
oh hei dude...
Ok, so the conclusion is, the chaos only happens for UK feed of BBC News, not the World one or the Main one. Can't wait for the news compilation again.
And thats how BBC Breakfast and BBC News crew gone to a fight
Assuming these wouldn't have been visible on the PGM monitor in the gallery if the graphics came from outside Salford? And instead would only have been picked up on the channel multiviewer (if that really gets paid attention to very much during a live broadcast).
I would have expected it to be an automated switch
Pretty much! Because London opts in to Salford for Breakfast, Salford would have no idea this was happening unless they had previews for BBC One and the UK News Feed.
either many more people have started documenting these bloopers, or the bbc has really been having a rough year
They recently (as in a week or so ago?) merged the BBC News channel and BBC World News into one, and since then several issues have occurred
Frankly, it's both.
So, it was an I/O problem and not a technical problem.
something kids these days call a "skill issue"
ah yes, BBC News Bloopers are getting more interesting each day...
As a Filipino myself, when I see the word "Filipino" on any thumbnails, I clicked it.
Start your breakfast off with Ukraine Landmines.
Useful breakdown - thanks for explaining!
What's with the different BBC URLs on the ticker between the BBC News UK feed and World feed though? Does the graphics engine change that automatically for the two feeds as well? @tevebits
Yes, they are two separate Viz engines that can display different things for their dedicated outputs. If you feed the same data to both of them (usually from a running order in OpenMedia), they will display the same headlines but can use a slightly different template (e.g. "BBC World News" vs. "BBC News" back when both existed). The same goes for the URL.
@@tevebits Interesting, thanks!
Literally BBC ONE Output Showing Non BBC News Headlines But On The Wrong Side On BBC NEWS (UK Feed) Showing A Confused BBC NEWS & BBC BREAKFAST Headlines But On The Right Side BBC NEWS (World Feed) Showing A BBC News Headlines And An Intro Of BBC NEWS
I was expecting the World feed to not have any graphics at all, with how silly it is.
Bro bbc world news just invaded uk feed 💀💀💀
The thing is, as a part of a cost cutting measure, the BBC's domestic and international news channel divisions are now housed in one, with some differences (i.e. international version has commercial break, UK version has something else like a pre-taped interview).
@@JamieMurphy25 oh thats intresting
No frickin' way that just went wrong in here...
(0:22) "BBC Bits" 🤣🤣
In seriousness though, I'm surprised someone in the News Channel control room wouldn't have realised that they had accidentally routed the wrong signal, considering that each monitor would've been labelled with the name of the feed connected to it.
Yes, genererally that's how mistakes like this should get spotted rather quickly. But... the UK feed of BBC News does not have a dedicated presentation suite. It's just different galleries that switch themselves into circuit as needed (for now).
@@tevebits Shouldn't the person looking after the graphics (and indeed anyone else working in the same gallery) for the world feed still have a monitor showing the UK feed though, precisely because blunders like this are possible? Also, do the viz engines need to be available to multiple feeds though? One dedicated to each feed would mitigate this issue.
@@donaloflynn from working at a regional tv station I’m guessing that at 6am you had a BBC one crew in and a BBC News (world) crew and BBC news (UK) was automatic. We see that at the start News(uk) is getting video from News (world) even including a nice flash frame on the lady in blue until we got video from BBC one I’m guessing that the down stream keys (which normally brings the astons/lower thirds in or out) didn’t. Now let’s think of the time it takes to get them off and the run up
with no added delay the time it takes to go out to you is about 8 seconds (call that 10)
takes about 10 for the guy in the other room watching it go “oh fudge” and ring gallery
bout 10 seconds for the person to then realise what they are going on about yell “Steve it’s for you” (there’s always a Steve or Mark)
5 seconds to get the phone down to Steve (now you are doing you job with a phone cord over you),
another 10 for steve to work out what’s going on (we are 45 seconds in and the person who can do something has been informed), from mistakenly bumping fade after a show I know it takes up to 30 to remote in and sort out the source, so that gives Steve about 35 seconds to have moved to a computer that would allow him to remote in if we then include the out delay of 10
It's a shame we don't get BBC Breakfast on the World feed. I know it wouldn't be breakfast time elsewhere but I'd rather see more of the UK feed than custom programming.
The world feed (and BBC World News before it) isn't supposed to be about domestic UK affairs though. The whole point is to be an international news channel. What annoys me is the opposite. You can't watch the world feed within the UK unless you've got a big enough satellite dish to pick up channels beamed to mainland Europe. I'd like to be able to watch World News America (maybe the name has changed now?) but you can't even stream it legally. All I've found is a really low quality pirate stream.
@@donaloflynn Yes, they're an international news channel that is designed to provide information about what is happening back "home." Great for expats and those wanting the British perspective. That said I only know about World News America from it airing on PBS. Part of the problem is that they expect viewers to watch such via cable or satellite. I'm guessing the providers maybe contribute to carry it?
The vision mixer hadn't had their coffee 😂
How does the clock in the bottom right stay on top though? 🤔
It seems to come frome the breakfast channel but is actually in front of the blank white ticker banner?
The clock on top of the white banner (called "ticker") is the News channel's clock. It is separate from the Breakfast's clock (if you pay close attention the Breakfast's clock is slightly larger). In this case, the Breakfast clock is covered up by the NC's ticker and clock.
Only the UK feed of the News channel has the clock on top of the ticker. The world feed does not.
Interesting find. Thank you for sharing
omg captions are so funny 😭
So all UK feed only programmes are opt-outs from the world feed which takes primacy? That's what I'd already understood from the press release about the merger, but until seeing this I'd have assumed that the graphics were part and parcel of the world feed and would thus disappear when the UK feed opts out to Breakfast, Nicky Campell, BBC News at One etc.
Wouldn't it make more sense for that to be the case? So that the world feed that the UK feed opts into would be output one stage later in the broadcast chain, i.e. after the viz engine has overlaid the graphics.
That's what seems to be the case here as BBC One and the UK feed opt into the Salford feed for Breakfast. Incidentally, do Breakfast share their viz engine with North West Today? If some BBC region failed to opt out for their local news would their viewers get the news headlines for the North West or does BBC North West itself opt out to another feed from whichever studio NWT use while Breakfast is on?
Breakfast shares the same hardware and studio as North West Today/Tonight, Salford will do their own Viz engine stuff and then just send one feed direct to London, who opt in to Salford.
The way London handles their Viz is certainly a little more complicated, it would make far more sense to just downstream key the graphics at the source instead of at pres.
Not sure on how they handle opt failures. I presume you'd just see the full NWT regional news output?
The UK feed can't just take the World feed with pre-overlaid graphics because some graphics are shown differently even when they simulcast (the tickers are completely separate with different headlines, different links, and ofc the UK time clock which is only on the UK feed; and the live location graphics has a live location clock on World feed and not on the UK feed).
This is the same Viz-linking system they've been using for ages to simulcast on both former domestic BBC News and former BBC World News, which also had different logos.
2 in the price of 1 😂
Really good content!
This Graphic is A Channel Mess-Up from BBC News
Caspar CG-magic
It's Vizrt-magic ;-) The BBC are using Vizrt for national and international output. CasparCG is only used in some regional centres.
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