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510 Kubota LX2980 Snow Blower. Installation mistakes I still make. LX2610. RB1672 Rear Blade. Winter

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  • Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
  • I pushed the envelope a bit this winter but finally installed my snow removal equipment on the Kubota LX2610 Compact Tractor. The video is long, as many asked for a detailed install, and I include the mistakes I still make after 5 winters, when installing my snow removal equipment. I hope it is helpful. I install the Kubota LX2980 Commercial Front Mount Snow Blower and Land Pride RB1672 Hydraulic Rear Blade. Happy Holidays and all the best for 2022!
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Комментарии • 120

  • @i.r.wayright1457
    @i.r.wayright1457 2 года назад +2

    One thing these tractors need is an emergency brake warning light. Also one for 4 wheel drive is engaged.

  • @donbrutcher4501
    @donbrutcher4501 2 года назад +1

    I have a L6060 with the front blower. The blower is 7ft. The blower and the frame are each so heavy I can only move them with the tractor loader. When I want to go from front loader to the blower, I first pre-position both the blower and the frame on my equipment trailer with the tractor. After I dismount the loader assembly on the ground, I then pull the tractor up onto the trailer and attach the frame and then the blower to the frame. Being able to use the trailer deck as a jacking surface and the side rail pockets for a come-along if necessary makes things much easier than working off the ground.

  • @MikeSouzaProjects
    @MikeSouzaProjects 4 месяца назад +1

    @GP Outdoors, I'd like to call your attention to the exhaust heat shield on the right side of your tractor's frame, seen at 17:00.
    The LX snow blowers come with 2 heat shields. One for the LX2610, which has its exhaust pipe on the left side. One for the LX3310, which has its exhaust pipe on the right side. You don't need both. You can remove that heat shield from the right side, which will give you a little more breathing room when routing your hydraulic lines.

    • @GPOutdoors
      @GPOutdoors  4 месяца назад

      Hey thanks kindly Mike! Have a great weekend!

  • @tomwinegar1371
    @tomwinegar1371 2 года назад +1

    Good video. Moose was a very nice touch. 😊

  • @troyroe6021
    @troyroe6021 2 года назад +1

    Hello, the calm, talking guy that you are makes the task of hooking up such tools seem fun, but I have had a heck of a time and a few choice words, and a few coffee breaks before completing , oh but I love “ playing”at moving snow, merry Christmas, and great new year,

    • @GPOutdoors
      @GPOutdoors  2 года назад

      LOL! Cheers Troy - Happy New Years!

  • @peacefieldfarm_mn
    @peacefieldfarm_mn 2 года назад +1

    As I write this it is snowing out my window! You should write a "note to self" to watch this video before you install the blower next year! Great job! Looking forward to you telling us about that headlamp! Happy New Year to you and Carol! Cheers!

  • @smorrell169
    @smorrell169 2 года назад +1

    Great video, just got a 2610 and your channel seems to address every question I have had so far. Appreciate it!

    • @GPOutdoors
      @GPOutdoors  2 года назад

      Congrats on your new tractor SM! Hope you enjoy it and happy to hear the vids help a little bit. Have a Happy New Years!

  • @garybenedict8513
    @garybenedict8513 2 года назад +1

    GP keep that snow up north Be safe

  • @jamesgaul1022
    @jamesgaul1022 2 года назад

    Very good "how to" video.

  • @mikefromwv1010
    @mikefromwv1010 2 года назад +1

    Thank you for sharing this information with us

  • @rejeanpivin4119
    @rejeanpivin4119 2 года назад +1

    Always love your videos Gord. The way you explain everything is always clear, even the things not to do. Happy Hallidays

    • @GPOutdoors
      @GPOutdoors  2 года назад

      Happy Holidays Rejean! Have a great New Years!

  • @C_J_81
    @C_J_81 2 года назад

    You are a far more patient person than I. I think the K connect system would drive me crazy compared to a 3 pt blower. But then backing up drives a lot of people crazy.

    • @colbiecolbie6979
      @colbiecolbie6979 2 года назад

      Have a look at inverted blowers. I have one ,works great.

  • @loveeveryone8057
    @loveeveryone8057 2 года назад +1

    Thank U ...so much appreciated

  • @BG-vq9fd
    @BG-vq9fd 2 года назад +1

    My green stuff is different but I still like seeing how yours works. I just took my mid mount mower off yesterday. I'll just put my front blade on unless we get a decent amount of snow.

  • @jameshalliday412
    @jameshalliday412 2 года назад +3

    Nice job, as usual. My only tip, if I may be so bold, is to suggest you grease those zerks as you put it away in the warmer weather in the spring as you take it off. I’ve found it’s a much more pleasant job in the spring and the grease flows just a bit easier. That’s also when I line the chute and give the chain etc. a nice coating of oil/lube to slow rust and get things ready for the fall/winter hook up.
    Keep up the great work!

    • @malcolmcavalier7849
      @malcolmcavalier7849 2 года назад +2

      That fresh grease will push out any moisture in those bearings and keep them from rusting in the summer, doing it before storage is the better idea like you said.

    • @GPOutdoors
      @GPOutdoors  2 года назад +1

      Morning James. Great advice. I usually do but I honestly could not remember if I actually did or not- man, I am getting old. LOL. But excellent suggestion for everyone. Thanks!

  • @normansuenaga6741
    @normansuenaga6741 2 года назад +1

    thank you for your hot tips it really helps.

  • @watershedoverlook
    @watershedoverlook 2 года назад +1

    I enjoyed this video and I don't even HAVE a blower! Cheers Gord!

  • @deanmoore420
    @deanmoore420 2 года назад +1

    Nice job hooking up your snowblower and merry Christmas 👍

  • @profdave2861
    @profdave2861 2 года назад +1

    Great video, Gord - watched the whole thing start to finish even though I don’t have a front blower LOL! Happy New Year to you, Carol, and the family!

    • @GPOutdoors
      @GPOutdoors  2 года назад +1

      Thanks Dave! Hope you had a wonderful Christmas!

  • @JohnSmith-tv5ep
    @JohnSmith-tv5ep 2 года назад +1

    GP, I guess I can say with Christmas over and the winter season upon us,....
    'and snow it begins!' ,the cold nights,...the groaning starters on vehicles,...the snow covered porch broom and shovel!
    Enjoy the season, it soon shall pass??? LOL Good stuff!

  • @mikemcalister9140
    @mikemcalister9140 2 года назад

    Hi Gord, Thanks for all the videos. I have a L3901. Even though I do not have a snow blower nor do I see much snow, I learned a few things watching your latest video.

  • @JasonSouthSoundSound
    @JasonSouthSoundSound 2 года назад +1

    My wife just bought me a kubota for Christmas… one of the new features is that all four of the hydraulic connections can be removed and reset in one take.

    • @GPOutdoors
      @GPOutdoors  2 года назад

      Merry Christmas to you - what a wonderful gal! Congrats on the new tractor. Yes, I have seen them. Much easier I'll bet. Enjoy your new tractor S3! She's going to have lots of chores for you come summer. :)) Cheers!

  • @DanielTorres-hu1zq
    @DanielTorres-hu1zq 2 года назад

    Xlnt descriptive video. I almost think I can do it. Thanks for sharing.

  • @GrampiesWorkshop
    @GrampiesWorkshop 2 года назад +2

    How's she goin'? Getting the winter gear on is always a good project. And as often as we do it, there are always some mistakes made eh!!! LOL Better to do this job in weather like you had than have to do it in a snow storm though!!! Thanks for positing and have a great winter and New Year!!!

    • @GPOutdoors
      @GPOutdoors  2 года назад +1

      LOL! That's what I was thinking Grampie. I figured I'd be regretting it if I didn't. Have a great New Years!

  • @jimputnam2044
    @jimputnam2044 2 года назад +1

    MERRY CHRISTMAS, GP.

    • @GPOutdoors
      @GPOutdoors  2 года назад

      Happy New Year Jim! All the best!

  • @franksmith3287
    @franksmith3287 2 года назад +1

    I have a Kubota l 3940. Started with front mounted SB. After surgery on my neck at age 74 can't get under tractor as easy as I used to. Went to 3pt SB and set of good mirrors. 400ft drive and no problem backing up. Saves lots of sore becks. Great video.

  • @kknvlewis
    @kknvlewis 2 года назад +1

    It has been a snowless winter here in Northwest PA USA too with only about 5" so far and none now or this week. I am going to take the blade and subframe off tomorrow and remount the loader to do a little work that I don't want to do by hand but then the sub frame and blade will go back on.

  • @beenaroundforawhile4809
    @beenaroundforawhile4809 2 года назад +1

    Hi Gord,
    Enjoy the unseasonably warm winter. In Calgary and the rest of Alberta it is unseasonably COLD -30 C. We typically are 15 to 20 C warmer.
    Interestingly enough if you took your blower off and put it on every month it would become a breeze for you. Twice a year just isn’t enough to form a routine in our memories.
    Have a great holiday season and don’t worry that snow is definitely coming.

    • @GPOutdoors
      @GPOutdoors  2 года назад

      Wow- keep your toque on! LOL. Yes so true. I was kind of thinking the same thing. Stay warm out there and Happy New Year!

  • @marksleeper9385
    @marksleeper9385 2 года назад +1

    Great vid

  • @Surferjo
    @Surferjo 2 года назад +1

    MERRY CHRISTMAS...................

  • @christhomas9837
    @christhomas9837 2 года назад +2

    I wish it would get cold and stay cold. Plus 6 Christmas day sure made a mess of my gravel driveway.

  • @HuserHelpers
    @HuserHelpers 2 года назад +1

    Nice job GP. Happy Holidays, Jason

    • @GPOutdoors
      @GPOutdoors  2 года назад +1

      Thanks Jason! ( H2). Happy New Year!

  • @ddelano7408
    @ddelano7408 2 года назад +1

    Holy cow GP! You leave a $100 sheet of plywood under the loader all winter! 🤣🤣😁😁 Cheers from MA!

    • @GPOutdoors
      @GPOutdoors  2 года назад

      LOL! No, if it was , it would have it's own easy chair in my living room. Just an old well used piece I recycled a while back. Cheers D!!

  • @FromSteelToWood
    @FromSteelToWood 2 года назад +1

    Making the same mistake year after year is typical of me! Now you are ready for major snowfalls! Thanks GP!

    • @GPOutdoors
      @GPOutdoors  2 года назад

      LOL! just need the snow Joe! Cheers!

  • @daveb5540
    @daveb5540 2 года назад +2

    Thank You sooo much for all the VERY informative videos. I just bought the same tractor and have a similar topographical setup and so bought the same attachments you have,
    These videos will make my learning curve a lot less stressful.
    Have a Happy New Year.

  • @ianpentney3008
    @ianpentney3008 2 года назад

    Excellent

  • @kickstandoutdoors1624
    @kickstandoutdoors1624 2 года назад +1

    Great video

  • @ernestkooistra1559
    @ernestkooistra1559 2 года назад

    . CHEERS!

  • @gillbujold1918
    @gillbujold1918 2 года назад +1

    It’s a great day with a new video from GP.
    With those hydraulic couplers I find if I get the tractor warmed up and cycle the implement the warm hydraulic fluid thaw’s the couplers out. I also also keep a torch in my truck.

  • @NHHalKnowsHow
    @NHHalKnowsHow 2 года назад +2

    That's a great piece of advise. Make sure when you remove an implement you do that on level ground. If you ever want a challenge, take your backhoe off in a side hill. Reattaching that was one of the most frustrating jobs I have ever done. Thanks Gord!

  • @ritterjon
    @ritterjon 2 года назад +3

    💥 Looks like you’re all set now! The 80 series BX does not have that detent you talked about. My old BX25 did however. 🤷‍♂️
    *Keep on tractoring!*

  • @dwoodog
    @dwoodog 2 года назад +1

    Happy new year Gord. Don't forget to make a quick video on your headlight.

  • @leehobin5132
    @leehobin5132 2 года назад +1

    Greetings Gord, Lee here, great video, I keep making mistakes after 18 years doing this. You mentioned about forgetting the parking brake on, I used to have that problem until I put a backup beeper wired to a micro switch on the brake release lever, so I never have that problem any longer. You and your family keep well and have a prosperous and magnificent new year, later

    • @GPOutdoors
      @GPOutdoors  2 года назад

      Great idea Lee! You too - Happy New Year!

  • @gordonthompson4376
    @gordonthompson4376 2 года назад +1

    Happy New Year Gord

    • @GPOutdoors
      @GPOutdoors  2 года назад

      And to you and yours Gordon!

  • @mooman86
    @mooman86 2 года назад +3

    The level ground is also important for putting the loader back on. I left my loader on a pad by my house BUT the tractor was on the grass and wasn’t level. It came off fine, but it was an inch or so too high on one side when going to put it back on. What a pain in the butt it was to get it back on after using blocks of wood to get the thing to twist right to latch in.

    • @GPOutdoors
      @GPOutdoors  2 года назад

      Hey Moo! I know the feeling - Have a Happy New Year and thanks for stopping by!

  • @casycasy5199
    @casycasy5199 2 года назад +2

    your blower is much easier to put on then the one on my kioti tractor

    • @GPOutdoors
      @GPOutdoors  2 года назад

      Good day C2! It is a pretty quick and easy process but takes a lot longer when you are filming it..:)) Have a good night C2!

    • @nelsonsr.jenking725
      @nelsonsr.jenking725 2 года назад

      You are right about that CC !! I installed mine on my Kioti and had no previous experience with one (My first year with a tractor ) . I have a Berkomac Blower and it came with very vague instructions and my dealer is 3 hours away!! Had to remove my grill guard as well and didn't know where to route my hoses . It also has electric controls for the chute and deflector . Lots of fun learning but i got it done !! Hve a Happy New Year everyone!!

  • @tylerd4522
    @tylerd4522 2 года назад

    Hi Gord! I always enjoyed the winter prep. 2 things I've learned over the years, and suggestions I have -
    1. After the loader is disconnected mechanically, run the support arms back in to protect your lift cylinders from many things, like dust and dirt, to corrosion or accidental damage.
    2. If you ever do have difficulty connecting your drive line to the mid PTO, position the PTO lever to the rear PTO position, which should put the mid PTO in a neutral state, making it easier to maneuver, if needed. I used to fight with mine, and after learning this, made it much easier!
    Thanks for the videos, and I hope you have a safe and Happy New Year!

  • @ASTANELAND
    @ASTANELAND 2 года назад +2

    I just removed my loader yesterday for the first time. Today I installed the sub frame and the blower on the LX3301 and all works perfectly.. Thanks for all your great videos on mounting the blower. I have watched them many times. Now I’m hoping for snow.

    • @GPOutdoors
      @GPOutdoors  2 года назад +2

      Me too Andrew! Can't wait!

    • @JohnSmith-tv5ep
      @JohnSmith-tv5ep 2 года назад +1

      @@GPOutdoors No snow here yet! 45°F Today! Pitts. PA.. but I'm sure we'll get pummeled eventually!

  • @iceroad416
    @iceroad416 2 года назад +1

    👍👍

  • @terryk3118
    @terryk3118 2 года назад +1

    Excellent video Gordon. Bought a snow thrower for my B2650 last year, but didn't have enough snow to even use it. Just had to go through the pain of removing the loader and putting it on again in the spring. Got a bunch of snow last week. Your hints will help me get it back on again.

  • @simonmartin9067
    @simonmartin9067 2 года назад +3

    Hi Gord, first time for me removing the FEL and installing the blower this year. I learned a few pointers for next time from your video. Thanks!
    Now we need some snow.
    Cheers from Kawartha Lakes

    • @GPOutdoors
      @GPOutdoors  2 года назад

      You bet Simon! We have only had a few inches here and there and I am just begging for a big snowfall too! Happy New Year!

  • @thegreatnorthwoodswithbb6513
    @thegreatnorthwoodswithbb6513 2 года назад +1

    G p just for reference you do not need to turn the key on to cycle the loader valve it is not powered 3rd function only have juice to it

    • @GPOutdoors
      @GPOutdoors  2 года назад +1

      Thanks so much Benjy!!

  • @TheHobbyShop1
    @TheHobbyShop1 2 года назад +1

    Hi Gord. Another great video. Seems like a flat and level concrete pad might be on your Christmas list for next year? 😃

  • @warped2875
    @warped2875 2 года назад +1

    w00t!
    Hey Gord, now you're ready for all that The Great White North will throw at you. Stay warm, my friend!

    • @GPOutdoors
      @GPOutdoors  2 года назад

      I got a w00t!! Happy New Year W!!

  • @MyClutteredGarage
    @MyClutteredGarage 2 года назад +4

    My B2601 has the swift-tach loader and I still struggle with it sometimes. You’re so right about dropping your implements on flat level ground. You need some concrete pads, haha. Good thinking to lubricate all those zerks before mounting the blower sub frame. Your calm voiceover probably doesn’t reflect how you were feeling while trying to align the blower 🤣
    Happy new year, Gord!

  • @NatesRandomVideo
    @NatesRandomVideo 2 года назад

    Great video GP. Your first video saved me a ton of mistakes on mine. Your blower doesn't have the little parking feet the residential blower has. They help with the angle. It also doesn't have chute elevation so no messing with those two extra hoses. I think my next implement might have to be that blade! I'm experimenting with some sturdy Velcro instead of the recommended zip ties. After watching your new video, I missed a couple of grease zerks! Guess I know what my next tractor chore is! I have the same problem with that right side pin on the blower. Interesting. Headlamps rock. My sister bought me a Petzl years ago and it gets used weekly. Your hanger on your k frame is different than mine, mine is a bright gold curly Q style and your square bars look smarter and simpler. If you want to keep the blower on the pallet a 2 x 4 in front will angle it I think for you better. Also a furniture dolly is the perfect thing to drop my k frame on to and then just roll it where I want it. Roll it back under the tractor and it goes right back on, easy. Anyway not a very organized response, but tips to add for folks. Oh... Use your bucket level indicator for level bucket when starting to remove the front end loader. Less stress on those legs, they're that exact height. Oh and we can't get those Kubota jackets here at all, and nowhere online. I have looked for one for a while now. That thing looks great. Finally, someone explained the dump detent to me in a way that made it make sense... The bucket has weight and normally right is just releasing pressure. Pushing past the detent actually reverses flow. The little hydraulic motor has no weight pushing against the "lift" direction so it needs true flow reversal to go that way. Cheers GP!

  • @olddawgdreaming5715
    @olddawgdreaming5715 2 года назад +2

    Thanks for sharing Gord, doesn't take you long even with the oop's thrown in . Glad you got it all ready. Good to see Bully Bull Winkle, hopefully he will reach full maturity before feeding something or someone. They are awesome to observe and make fine table fare and clothing too. Stay safe and have a Happy New Year. Did you get the Mug mugshot I sent? Fred

    • @GPOutdoors
      @GPOutdoors  2 года назад

      You bet - saw it today - thanks ! So nice to see you Fred! Have a good holiday week and all the best to your family, and for your son.

  • @MannistoCay
    @MannistoCay 2 года назад

    All set, ill come pick you up with the trailer and you can blow a couple feet of snow. Take care Gord! 🌴❄🍻

  • @kevinbrewer2141
    @kevinbrewer2141 2 года назад +2

    I wonder if you would place a two by four or a four by four under the front of the pallet to change the angle so it can hook up easier. Hope you had a great Christmas.

  • @tractorman4461
    @tractorman4461 2 года назад +1

    Good morning sir. Say, have you considered using spray de icer we use on car and truck door gaskets, windshields and mirrors ? Or is that possibly not recommended because of possible contamination. Very good information packed video my friend.

    • @GPOutdoors
      @GPOutdoors  2 года назад +1

      LOL! Honest , I never thought of it, T. The first time it happened, I thought the coupler was broken. Drove all the way to the dealer, bought a new one, changed it out, and then was standing holding it and fiddling with it, and it came off, with a little ice. Many emotions came over me but alas, there was only one thing I could do....I laughed...alot. Hey, I sent you an email. :)) Thanks!

    • @tractorman4461
      @tractorman4461 2 года назад

      @@GPOutdoors Hahahaha.... If we can't laugh at our anomalies of thought we better quit trying to learn, right? LOL. We all have done things like that. I'm pretty bad at checking email...I get there every couple weeks though. LOL

  • @colbiecolbie6979
    @colbiecolbie6979 2 года назад

    I forget my E brake all the time. Should have buzzer or something.

  • @larrykluckoutdoors8227
    @larrykluckoutdoors8227 2 года назад

    I had my blower on my riding mower for maybe 15 years, I still mess up putting it on every year

  • @jh9855
    @jh9855 2 года назад +1

    Thank you for this video. Very informative and very helpful. I am very lucky that I have people who are around who help me take implements on and off. Also, all of my equipment is in a garage on a pallet. Just makes life a lot easier. We just had an ice storm followed by 4 inches of snow that needed to be plowed. Not a big deal and seems like a waste of time and just wish it was 12 inches. If I have to plow, let it be a lot of snow. I hope you get some snow so all of the work is worthwhile. Happy New Year, GP. Thank you for your videos and the wealth of information you have given so freely to people. I know I will be looking up your video on how to replace a shear bolt. Looked at it last year and it was so very helpful. I know I'll need it again this coming year. Happy New Year!

    • @GPOutdoors
      @GPOutdoors  2 года назад

      Thanks kindly JH! I feel the same. I would love to see a big dump of snow ..but so far, only a tiny bit. Have a Happy New Year and thanks again!

  • @wtfbuddy1
    @wtfbuddy1 2 года назад +2

    Nice video GP - all ready for the snow, agree it's not the normal winter so far but that should change. Nice tips and tricks to removal and mounting that taking shot cuts is a receipt for trouble when it's -30. Cheers and enjoy the holidays and not doing the chores around the property

  • @alittleofthisandalittleofthat
    @alittleofthisandalittleofthat 2 года назад +1

    I use fluid film on my chute. So far so good. I’m pondering on changing my drive chain on my rear Frontier blower. As I roll over the auger I noticed last year the chain is tight with just the right amount of slack, as I move it. It goes singing tight then loosens up again as I move it more. Not sure if this is from me hitting something. I only snapped a shear pin once on the blowers gearbox shaft and that was a very light bump to do so.

  • @stephenayer8255
    @stephenayer8255 2 года назад +2

    Great video Gord, would like to see you arrange a test/comparison of an inverted blower when you get some real snow, would definitely be some great content!

    • @GPOutdoors
      @GPOutdoors  2 года назад

      Morning Stephen. I'd love to try one sometime if the opportunity comes along for sure.

  • @larryaubertin4226
    @larryaubertin4226 2 года назад +1

    GP, you don’t need to turn your key to acc or even on at all as the boom bucket control is mechanical and doesn’t require 12 volts to operate, only your third function valve requires the key to be on.

    • @GPOutdoors
      @GPOutdoors  2 года назад

      Thanks Larry. I am not sure I knew that. I just kind of do it the same every time now for all of them. Happy New Year!

    • @larryaubertin4226
      @larryaubertin4226 2 года назад

      @@GPOutdoors Love watching your content, I have a B3350 backhoe/loader and live in Sudbury.

  • @hoyks1
    @hoyks1 2 года назад +1

    When you're routing the roses through that hanger under the tractor, would it be possible to pull the aft support cross pin out an inch or two and make it easier to tuck the hoses in, then slide it across and put in the retainer pin?
    It looks like if the weight of the blower was on the front would take any load off that cross pin.

    • @GPOutdoors
      @GPOutdoors  2 года назад

      Morning Spooky. That's a good question and would help get those hoses through a little easier for sure. Worth a try next time. Thanks!

  • @tomashbaugh8891
    @tomashbaugh8891 2 года назад +1

    GP the lx loader is a little bit more work than the o2601 eh?

  • @frenchyqbec
    @frenchyqbec 2 года назад +1

    Please always cut ty-raps flush to the ty, if you leave a sharp excess, you can hurt your self badly... (as a 35 years CAE inspector, I recommande it) God bless !

    • @GPOutdoors
      @GPOutdoors  2 года назад +1

      Thanks Luc! Great advice!

    • @frenchyqbec
      @frenchyqbec 2 года назад +1

      Yep, still have the scars and it’s a bloody mess…

  • @josephkennedy4515
    @josephkennedy4515 2 года назад

    Who won the split,er for Christmas just wondering 😔

  • @phillip.9524
    @phillip.9524 2 года назад

    What is that funny white stuff on every thing? Only green stuff here. A very pleasant 25 to 30 Celsius.

  • @mp3625
    @mp3625 2 года назад +1

    Time for a garage Gord??

    • @GPOutdoors
      @GPOutdoors  2 года назад +1

      That will be one fine and memorable day Dave! :)) Cheers!

  • @benjybaldwin773
    @benjybaldwin773 2 года назад

    There is no need to turn your key on a acessories to relieve the pressure in your loader valve third function yes not loader valve it's not lectronic

  • @franksmith3287
    @franksmith3287 2 года назад

    Suppose to be sore necks