Body Armor Defeating Compact Pistol? | FK BRNO PSD-C
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
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100% a 7-8" PDW would be very ideal. I suppose I should get on the ball about testing 7.5FK against armor, because it's likely not as good as FK is making it out to be. It's one thing to defeat a 100% Aramid IIIA as it tends to fail to velocity above 1600 fps, but many manufacturers are making hybrid IIIA panels that incorporate UHMWPE, and that material is able to stop a lot of velocity and some bullet construction.
Don’t all successfully adopted military PDWs share one characteristic? The ability to shoot subsonic.
And the pressure of the round is high enough so you can make it gas operated system and not direct blowback
The first to make it will EAT!
@ Respectfully, I don’t think so. It would primarily be a gun for enthusiasts. I don’t recall the last time a big professional contract was won by a PDW sized weapon that could not fire subsonic rounds.
@@lordhuck2689 Well it would all depend on how heavy of a bullet could be made and keep the action cycling.
The 7.5 FK is what the 5.7 wants to be when it grows up.
1000%
We need this in a PCC
1000%
great review, thanks boiz.
I've been asking for a PCC in 7.5 for years now....
Let keep the demand high!
You saying teir 1 doesn't have this with erp type rounds?
Come on PSA!
Get the Kel tec engineers more coke we need a weird ass 7.5 PDW stat
DO IT!
I remember when i first got into 10mm... the o.g. 7.5 just came out. The proto was just cleared for production and it was about 7 grand... i promised myself when i have the money from selling my house, i was gonna buy one... i absolutely still plan on it but i gotta sell the house first.
I cant wait tho.
Can't wait for a Highpoint pistol and carbine in this cartridge!
(sorry, I just had to!) :D
Was thinking KelTec Sub2000😂🎉
DO IT!
7.5 yeet cannon interesting 🤔
If there was a TP9 style pdw in this caliber it would be a game changer…also affordable ammo lol
Agreed 😅
Beretta.. Are you listening!
Forget PCC's I want RCP's! This reminds me of the .224 BOZ back in the 90's.
MP7.5 nuff said
That would be dope!
You know CMMG is gonna do it first though......
I love my original PSD. I want the C.
I have an 11" barreled AR pistol I'm working on, and I can confirm it makes a great PDW cartridge. 11" barrel gets the muzzle velocity up near 2400 fps
right now I am trying to figure out feeding [need either a magwell adapter for the PSD magazines OR some updated followers for PPS43 magazines]
Dude! I am jealous of that PCC build! I need updates!
@@ARFCOMReviews will keep you in the loop. Because 10mm and 6.8 SPC use the same case head, so does 7.5. Had a gas operated .30 caliber barrel blank cut for it.
Wow, the back of that grip looks really sharp cornered!
It's definitely less than ideal
In a PCC, PDW or SMG, this is awesome. Could also be useful as a bear gun or PDW replacement where space or concealment is critical. A use case could be as a tanker, helicopter or aircraft sidearm, where a person could have some serious punching power even against rifles. In general, I would still stick to the larger, longer barreled, older brother for such cases.
I completely missed the bear gun application of this 😅 you and a few other commenter are totally right!
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Hello brother!
I enjoy my psd-compact quite a bit. I’d like to find a way to make it work with my stribog 10mm. I’m working on it.
You would be a legend!
I've owned the full size PSD for afew years now and it's amazing. It's an absolute hand cannon. This thing can drill through 1/4 inch mild steel targets at 50 yards and is very easy to hit at that range. Having 17 rounds of 7.5fk at my disposal gives me a ton of confidence in my ability to accurately stop a threat as quickly as possible if, God forbid, I was ever thrust into such a situation where it became necessary.
While I can EDC the full size without issue, being able to get my hands on the PSD-C for better concealability would be nice.
However, I would absolutely LOVE to see a well done PDW, and even a PCC, chambered in 7.5fk. I think if a manufacturer can put out a quality version of both or either one of those then this round is gonna really take off in popularity. IMHO, it is the pinnacle of modern pistol calibers.
PDW! PDW! PDW!
Good video. Price is started to tempt me, but all in all I thing I'd go for the longer barrel.
Thanks 😁
The manual also states that the sights are not loctited and they recommend doing that before shooting.
We played ourselves 🤣
I’m so happy they aren’t dropping this caliber, like others have said, a PDW would be sweet.
If the PDW came out I would buy it in a heartbeat
Did you try shooting the 100yd target with those flat 7.5 wadcutter type bullets? I think you need a FMJ or JHP to get actual flat shooting rounds.
I think that was the issue. We can come revisit it later 😊
@@ARFCOMReviews PLEASE Do!
Stribog SP75A3 when?
Right!?!?!
Would be interesting to see this in a kriss vector and CMMG banshee.
The Kriss is a bit too heavy, but the Bandshee would be dope
@ARFCOMReviews indeed. Although the modification to the upper would be simple, just pull the barrel extinction from the barrel. Then turn down and chamber a 7.5-barrel for the round then install the barrel extinction.
The lower would be more challenging because, well, you have to manufacture a new lower to take the magazine.
I'd love to see a Beretta PX4 full size in 7.5FK.
😮 this would be kinda hot
It looks similar to a CZP01.
I just shot a P01 at the range earlier this month and the factory trigger on that thing was horrible.
It had a super long trigger reset.
Would be cool if a company like Cajun GW could do a trigger job and clean it up a bit.
This feels like a warhammer version of that in single action only lol
FK Brno has a much better SRT S/A trigger not even comparable.
I’m a CZ guy and the reset on the FPB platform doesn’t get much better without modding an internal component. You can get the non FPB triggers to 1911 levels with just Cajun parts though
This new round and pistol is the most exciting thing ive seen in a decade. They need to make 7.5fk carbine with a 7.5inch barrel n call it the 7.5FKU 😂. I mean 900ftlb handguns with 9mm capacity and closer to rifle speeds? Yes and thank you! Ide be saying of F##K you to seeing what it can do first hand lol. Im waiting for more people to adapt the 7.5fk if its doing what its doing out a 5inch barrel its probably gonna be a pretty fast powerfull round out of pcc or sbrs with 7 to 10inch barrels. I mean 900ftlb already only a couple hundred ftlb less than 556, a little more barrel length and you could have a pistol caliber sized package with pistol sized caliber recoil thats putting out full sized 556 rifle power which is really cool. Heck ide say theres a chance that 7.5fk out a 12 or 13inch barrel would be putting out more power than 556 out the same barrel length which is a hell of alot of energy in a pistol caliber
That's just crazy FPS out of such a short barrel.
It is pretty wild
It's one of the most aesthetic pistols of the decade
I definitely think it has some unique curb appeal 😊
The fullsize PSD already has a detachable brace option for doing PDW things, just needs somewhere better to put your supporting hand.
Yeah and it's also a billion dollars. I want a full on PDW
They make a folding stock for the PSD for $495, but FK says it will make it an SBR according to the ATF
7.5FK would be nasty as a hollow-point...
Yeah, it is definitely on another teir of lethality for a pistol cartridge
They advertised a light hp (I think 95 gr) when the OG FK Brno came out. Think it was over 2200 fps out of the longer barrel
Ive always been very interested in this caliber and honestly i always thought the gun looked pretty awesome as well. If there were more manufacturers making this cartridge i would definitely invest in the fk brno
It is surprisingly easy to shoot! And with the ammo getting made here, I have high hopes for further adoption 😁
@ARFCOMReviews like you guys said in the video the 7.5 in a pdw would be so nasty though. I think that's where this cartridge would be really amazing.
While I'm glad that it exists, I don't foresee it capturing too many hearts and minds. Offering it in tandem with a 10mm barrel helps some justification, but 7.5FK will probably end up in the same lot as 9x25 Dillon, a niche round that can zip a 9mm projectile to lower end rifle speed but never took the market like it could have. There's a precious few manufacturers making either conversions for 10mm AR parts or 10mm PDWs that would be more easily converted with the right support, but man, ammo prices are everything with wildcat calibers on whether a good idea gets legs or relegated to fun range cannon/safe queen.
It's definitely a possibility
Soooo. Maybe a Laugo Alien 6in in 7.5FK? Or i would take a STizon in 7.5FK
We need to go in the opposite direction 🤣🤣🤣
Definitely would love PCC’s in this caliber!! Would also like to see other manufacturers jump on this round by making firearms and ammunition for it! Same goes for the 6mm Max!!! I know it’s a rifle round but it is OUTSTANDING!
Yes please!
Hell yeah
If it's a polymer lower, all it would take is a 3d printed lower to make a pdw
It is indeed a plastic lower 😁
I think if guys want a badass PCC, chamber a 10mm Stribog in 9 Dillon.
That's not a bad idea either
the gun will proly become a niche collectable, but never used seriously.
although the round will probably stay, novelty can get a few people to try new rounds but, math and performance will keep the round a goin long past the niche phase.
getting m1 carbine ballistics out of a pistol, will definitely keep the round goin, but its prolly gonna need it own flux raider brace for stabilization, if stable its definitely a 150-200 yard gun.
If the dimensions are comparable, I bet this'd do nice feeding a Kriss Vector
Finally! A true replacement for 30 carbine!
Edit:
PDWs get a bad rap due to the limitations of the 9mm round. 9mm is pretty darn useful in handguns, suppressed guns, and being a cost effective round. But pretending you will reach out and tap something at 200 yds is kinda a bad idea. But there is decent reason to have something that can do that: when you dont have the legal ability to own a banned rifle platform. Something like this in a m1 carbine or ruger mini 14 type chassis would be a life saver for people who want something small, relatively innocuous, but packs more punch without being harder to shoot, and not having an aggressive defensive posture. Better yet, its less intimidating than a shotgun while being more ergonomic to novice gun owners who want something a bit easier to handle and confidence inspiring than their handgun. The only downside is that it would SUCK to suppress. The speed is key to its performance and i doubt subsonic loads would retain the ballistic advantages for nearly as far.
Also, someone PLEASE make a version of this that accepts 357 moulds. Would be a bit of a bear to shoot in such a small package, but damn, you could probably make it a truck gun to take out small to maybe even medium game in a pinch, as long as you were close enough.
The only company’s that would be bold enough to give us PCC / PDW IN 7.5fk would be CMMG and Palmetto Armory. I would love one if it really does defeat body armor.
Maybe Kel Tec? Either way I want to see one!
Always interested in improved performance pistol cartridges like the 7.5 FK. Also, there's an interesting 6.5x25 CBJ based on the 9mm case.
I'm interested!
If the cost of ammo comes down, I hope Ruger, PSA, and dare I say Keltec look into more affordable pistols and PDWs.
I have hope with it being domestically produced!
Why would they give it an acro footprint and not the multi footprint cut that the full size psd has?
Cost savings likely. It is like 8k less 🤣
@@ARFCOMReviews the full size polymer frame psd thats only a few dollars more has the multi footprint cut
We need two things. Affordable ammo, and a carbine.
*pdw
@@ARFCOMReviews I meant what I said.
Who wants to bet Kel-Tec is gonna make a P90 with the 7.5 Brno?
That would be dope!
I always liked this
Well now it's cheaper 🥰
I’m not a gunguy, but it looks like a rifle round
It's utilizing similar tech
A 100 yrd hit with a defensive pistol is a hard sell as a s'elf-defense' shoot in a court room. Not impossible, just improbable.
1000%, we were just testing it for the sake of the review
How does it compare to 10mm (in round count per mag and terminal ballistics)?
It's pretty close in rounds per mag and WAY out performs 10mm in terminal ballistics
There was a round back in the day. 223 Boss or 223 Boz or something. I think they pushed 5.7 out to the public in part to take attention away from this round. I think it needs to be remembered. It was a pistol round.
7.5 fku got me😂
If 7.5 had better bullet geometry, it’d be incredible
The PSD is the better version of this gun, it has a solid use case. It'd makes a good trail gun to carry on long hikes in places that MIGHT have mean things that travel on 2 legs AND 4. Lugging along a long-gun in the highly unlikely chance you need it is just bulk and weight. I think it'd also make a fine option as a woodland hunting pistol, if that's your thing. That's not me, but some people like it. But the C version, I don't know.
Sure, it's a little more compact for daily carrying, but not dramatically more compact, and the use case for most people, probably isn't there. Think about what the typically daily carry gun might need to do. Does this fill the bill? Sure, but there are better guns for this use case.
As pointed out, my biggest concern should a bad situation get "badder," is worrying about what might be behind my target. The potential of hurting someone who I don't want to be hurt is always a concern. This round at self-defense ranges just adds one more variable to that equation. Can I know what might be hidden from sight behind him? That's more of a concern to me than worrying about whether the bad guy has body armor on.
This is a great comment! I never think about a trail gun here in DFW because we don't have dangerous game where I live 😅
I am also with you on over penetration issue this round could have at typical handgun distances!
I think I would have been more impressed if it could have performed in longer distances.....
I think was a mix of us possibly sucking and us using the wrong projectiles for the attempt
Always skeptical of high velocity light grain handguns. G9 has a 80 grain 9mm pushing 1500 fps? And you don't need a new gun to do it. But if you dont tune the twist rate perfectly, or if there too much variety in grains (300 BO issue with subs and supers), you could ruin the accuracy of the gun. The G9 ammo is known for throwing rounds completely differently than standard 9mm because of its much lighter design. I'm worried that this might have caused your accuracy issues at range.
Stiff safty can be nice so you dont catch it, the crapy trigger is a little unforgivable tho, i rearly like the concept tho
Why does this remind me of the Unity from Cyberpunk 2077...
It really does!
You guys didn't mention why most people would really want one of these... besides just one upmanship, the biggest practical reason is for carry in grizzly or polar bear country, one of the only applications that really needs both massive penetration and energy delivered to the target. A small pdw with a 9" bbl, no stock or brace, but front and rear sling mounts under 4bs with a p90 style high cap top mag, would either fit in a holster, or carrying nicely on a sling while still being able to carry a pack and use hiking poles. The extra weight they put under the barrel to compensate for recoil is just dumb, they should use that weight for more bbl llength, and more mag cap with a top mag. Make it ultra low bore axis like the laugo alien too. All that is possible, would be the perfect gun for bear defense excepting longguns, and would also create a gun that would have a lot of cool factor and wider appeal to hunters, and the tacti cool crowd. THe only part that seems like a huge jump is the high cap top mag. That would be cool, but not a dealbreaker to just have normal mags in the grip.
This is a great point!
Hmmm...random curiousity...I gotta wonder if these cartridges would fit and fire decently from My Zastava M57. It's already using the usial FMJ 7.62×25 czech milsurp...again, hmmmm...
SOMEONE NEEDS TO MAKE IT HAPPEN!
Did you test the 9mm +p+ 115 extreme penatrators
No, unfortunately we don't have the time and resources to test everything. But just based on our research it still falls a bit short of what 7.5 is ballistically capable of
@ARFCOMReviews 👍🏽
I would like to know, how it would handle for like wild pigs or maybe even dear.
People just need to make holsters for it. Really hard to find.
Yeah, that's a whole other issue all together
Quick question, are the Surefire X300 series compatible with the PSD-C?
Not without an adapter of some sort (we tried it)
@@ARFCOMReviews That's quite disappointing, I will try a Streamlight TLR-7 HL-X instead.
How’s the accuracy with the red dot?
It was average for a pistol
@@ARFCOMReviews so is it better close range? 7-25 yards
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Thanks for the love!
I wonder how useful this caliber would be in a “SD” type PDW?
The loss in velocity would diminish it's penetrative power. But it would still be better than 9mm or 45
Body Armor Defeating Compact Pistol? | FK BRNO PSD-C
Body armor is only effective where the armor is, not where it isn't.
I couldn't care less what 7.5 FK can do when it starts at $1.60 a round.
I am poor to 🥲
So $1600 for a CZ75 in a fancy crazy expensive round for "armor penetration". I think it might defeat 2a but not 3a armor. Also who needs a 200 yard range for a handgun? Handguns are and have always been designed to use sub 50 yards.
It's a pretty decent departure from the CZ but it's definitely "inspired by". It's likely going to be closer to $1300 or $1400 but I agree that it's a very niche pistol
I think a 5 inch ambi pistol in this caliber with MOS capabilities would be premium and I hope to see it in the gen3 also hopefully some big game loads for those of us that go backpacking in places like Yellowstone and the smokies
That would be legit! I hope they read this comment!
What about g9 ammo in 9mm 80 and 90 grain options
Why G9 when Underwood blows it out of the water with Lehigh Extreme defenders( 65 and 90 grain)
The 65grain 357sig out of my 5" M&P Pro produce well over 600ft.lbs energy.
Not enough weight to really be a comparison. It's going faster and is heavier
50k PSI handgun rounds aren't common, but are otherwise non-existent in semi-auto handguns.
Even the 429DE maxes out at 46Kpsi. In a 10" barrel it runs right at 1800fps & 1900fps (210gr, 240gr). I can't remember what it runs out of a 6" barrel, but about 100 to 120 fps less I think.
The point is that typical handgun rounds don't run the pressures necessary to make this gun what it is.
I wonder what 357 Sig could have done running 50k psi for instance. (It runs about 40K I think...)
I wonder if I cound chamber a Desert Eagle in this caliber... Hmm.
Yeah, 7.5 is a pretty crazy cartridge, I definitely think it has the potential to make PDWs great again
Is this out or for sale?
This is indeed available
7.5 is armor piercing through a carbine length barrel
According to ballistics, it doesn't it out of only a 6in barrel
Honestly, I'd rather see a pistol sized version of the 8.6 blackout concept (high twist rate, subsonic focused).
I can see where you're coming from, but you could get this to be much more compact and in the long run likely cheaper per round
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Oh not 8.6 actual, just the concept of high energy via rotational energy with low velocity and high (fragmenting) mass. Excellent terminal ballistic results and significantly limited over penetration through off-target barriers, similar to the best parts of .223/5.56 without the concussive blast.
Agreed that even .338 Spectre or .338 ARC is too long, and we'd probably want a straight wall case design to maximize the thrust surface. So probably some variant of 10mm or .45 Super cut down to minimize case volume.
The two main problems, as I see it are:
1. Finding pure copper bullets short and heavy enough.
2. Generating sufficient force for it to reliably hit maximum subsonic velocity in a 4"-5" barrel without excessive unburned power. Ideally, not resorting to semi-exotic solutions (steel hybrid or all steel cases).
Stick a short (1 or 2 baffle) whisper pickle and brace chassis and you'd have a very practical PCC for people not in a proper war zone.
Good old .45 ACP is already that round. When you are limited to subsonic velocities, you have to make up for it in bullet weight and 220 grains in .45 ACP comparable to .300 blackout subs.
Yeah its not a sleek boat tail super long bullet, but it has to fit inside the pistol grip, and have reasonable magazine capacity. If BC and bullet drop become a factor, you should be shooting supers in a long rifle anyway.
@keltec Bullpup me a pdw 7.5 asap or like a side mounted sten variant out of space dust and ductape.
Right?!? 🤣🤣🤣
(whisper- send them more psychedelics)
I need a OWB holster that compatible this gun and a TLR-1 HL-X.
The blackhawk omnivore could probably do it
Thanks!
Please explore and note the reason why this cartridge came about. The subsequent guns to handle it are marketing decisions.
I love this pistol
But allegedly it will fuck the glass up
We didn't have any issues with out ACRO, but we only ran around 400 rounds through ours
@ARFCOMReviews fair enough. I saw it happen to some guntuber guy I think it was Civilian Tactical. He said that the shells flew straight back into the glass and demonstrated it happening in a short
What about 22 TCM
It's got very different ballistic properties
7.5 FK is just a modernized 7.62x25
Most definitely, with it being made here in Texas now as well (and having a newer pistol able to utilize it), we might just get what it promised all those years ago.
Also upon looking up some ballistic data, it required an 11in barrel to get to 1800fps, so it's actually pretty far away from a 1 to 1
@@ARFCOMReviews Some guys were (allegedly) pushing 2100fps with extra spicy handloads with their old tokarev guns, and since the FK Brno is derived from older CZ designs, I like to think of 7.5 FK to be just an evolution of Bubba's spicy hand loads.
I remember when rhese guns were 4 grand
Shout out to the price coming WAY down!
Looks like they tried yo lower the mass of the slide, but tbh its ugly af. I know I know im just that kind of guy. The round sounds interestng tho. Maybe in a small pcc would be more interesting. even a chasis system like the make for glocks and sigs. Needs a good trigger tho.
The 5.7 can do this if it's not nerfed. Why are we creating a whole new cartridge and firearm instead of just allowing the 5.7 to be what it used to be?
US government says no because you might get a slight gimp of a leg up on them.
5.7 needs WAY longer barrels to get similar performance and it still lacks the weight for terminal ballistic performance at those distances
I mean sure, it'll defeat IIa, but no one really wears that anymore.
The reason it works is mostly due to bullet construction - it's got monolithic copper bullets. Which are naturally much harder than lead.
This, in combination with the high velocity, makes it very penetrative.
But the compact version loses a lot of that velocity with its shorter barrel compared to the full size. I would not count on it consistently defeating IIIa with the compact.
I think there is also a discussion around it performing better though barriers, but I see where you're coming from
Goofy looking pistol
It was already designed for a stock attachment, at least there’s one for the full size model. ruclips.net/video/omUbwHERvrs/видео.htmlsi=b_FbGrhdLL69pdCh
It's just a billion dollars
45AARP😂😂😅
I say it will full respect 😅
Mortaring shots at 100yards with .45acp? BS, I have shot my 1911 5” out to 90 yards and it doesn’t drop that much. (I no longer own a .45 but still hearing this… dude is exaggerating big time)
You are easily holding over the target by a foot or so (on a 5in 1911) I know because we tried during the same range session
Its over twice the weight of a P365. If they can make it lighter and cheaper, it might do well. (by they I mean gun makers)
🤣🤣🤣🤣 these are completely different guns and goals
@@ARFCOMReviews I didnt say they were the same. I was just using the P365 as a unit of measurement most ccw people would get. I like what the round can do, and I hope there are other models or makers in the future.
should have made it a 1911 trigger, full stop. also civil defense 10mm 60gr at 2400fps, makes this ammo less relevant. they need to fix the trigger and get ammo costs down.. otherwise, for pistol work, 357 mag, 45 winmag, 44mag, works just fine.
It's an equation, when you have to give up that much weight to get that kind of velocity, you lose terminal ballistics. But I'm with you on the trigger
How is this different from a 357? I understand the obvious but conceptually it seems the same.
If I have to take aim at anything pass 100 yards, I have time to get the backpack Rattler out.
This ones a no go.
Being that it's a rimless cartridge, it makes it much easier to get it to work in a magazine fed semi auto gun. And this is more for if you don't have your rattler with you
Bad trigger? No ambi? Overpriced? Only available with one red dot mount currently ? Over priced? under used ammo? Buy buy buy! All joking aside. Pretty sweet new arrival to the US market.
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That's the cost of unbiased information unfortunately. You will be missed fam
6x28mm, wider case than 5.7 for more power. This round is too heavy, the gun recoils too much. This will never catch on
This gun is about the same as a 45 🤣 I don't often accuse people of being recoil sensitive, but this is not in the realm of "heavy recoil"
@ Vof always wins, especially twenty feet away from eachother with handhuns. 3rds/second always beats 1rd/second, doesn’t matter what caliber. Any real department where shootings are common they carry nine, and one day they’ll be carrying something even smaller but it won’t be some double magnum space blaster like this shit. This will NEVER catch on. Smaller bore advanced pistol cartridges will become the standard but 7.5 is dog shit and will never be taken seriously, dummy