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Комментарии • 43

  • @bot24032
    @bot24032 11 месяцев назад +70

    minor mistake at the end, it's alna-a+0.5ln(2π)

  • @arahatchikkatur1906
    @arahatchikkatur1906 11 месяцев назад +42

    Another way of approaching this integral is to think of the integral as a function of a and take the derivative. From the fundamental theorem of calculus, f'(a) = ln(G(a+1)) - ln(G(a)) = ln(a), where G(a) denotes the gamma function at a. Integrating, we see that f(a) = a ln(a)-a+C. To find the constant, note that f(0) = C = int [0,1] ln(G(x)) dx. By making the substitution x -> 1-x, we see that 2C = int [0,1] ln(G(x)) + ln(G(1-x)) dx. Since ln(G(x))+ln(G(1-x)) = ln(G(x)G(1-x)), we can make use of the reflection formula, making the integral become int [0,1] ln(pi)-ln(sin(pi x)) dx, which is evaluated in the video.

  • @zalut_sky
    @zalut_sky 11 месяцев назад +10

    raabe 4K indeed
    just kidding, thank you for the video

  • @neomooooo
    @neomooooo 11 месяцев назад +1

    I really like the idea of the zeroth integral. It’s a nice hallmark.

  • @wolframhuttermann7519
    @wolframhuttermann7519 11 месяцев назад +1

    If someone can prove that a certain integral value where the borders are computable numbers (including +- infinity) is non-computable, that would be great.

  • @manucitomx
    @manucitomx 11 месяцев назад +2

    Gnarly and fun. Just what I wanted for my Saturday morning.
    Thank you, professor.

  • @rainerzufall42
    @rainerzufall42 11 месяцев назад +2

    Isn't that ln[sqrt(2Pi) (a/e)^a)] ? Using log rules, this is = ln a^a - ln e^a + ln sqrt(2Pi) = a ln a - a + 0.5 ln(2Pi) (the corrected result from above)

  • @coc235
    @coc235 11 месяцев назад +18

    4:45 this argument is fundamentally wrong. For example x^2+y^2 also has 'nice symmetry built into it', but its partial derivatives are 2x and 2y respectively, which makes them not equal. What's crucial here is the linearity of the term x+y

    • @Happy_Abe
      @Happy_Abe 11 месяцев назад +2

      I was confused by this statement too

    • @davidutoob
      @davidutoob 11 месяцев назад +9

      A clearer argument is that ∂x and ∂y are equal for any function of the form f(x+y) because they're both equal to f'(x+y).

    • @Jacob.Peyser
      @Jacob.Peyser 11 месяцев назад +2

      He was obviously referring to the symmetry upon differentiation. Don't berate the guy because you don't comply with his (valid) notion of symmetry.

    • @Happy_Abe
      @Happy_Abe 11 месяцев назад

      @@davidutoob thank you this helps explain this a lot!

    • @khoozu7802
      @khoozu7802 9 месяцев назад

      I didn't understand. I think he just change y to x and change x to y

  • @anonym95642
    @anonym95642 11 месяцев назад +2

    this reminds me of the Stirling approximation

  • @s4623
    @s4623 11 месяцев назад +2

    1:31 to 6:24 - a much simpler way of doing all of that would be the integral of something from a to a+1 = (integral of same function from 1 to a+1) - (integral of same function from 1 to a), and then substitute the terms, then use the fact the gamma function has the same value at 0 and at 1 to line up everything.

  • @ManyWaysMA
    @ManyWaysMA 11 месяцев назад +10

    Interesting how the square root of 2pi shows up in the answer. I wonder if this has got something to do with Stirling’s approximation…?

    • @skylardeslypere9909
      @skylardeslypere9909 11 месяцев назад

      As you can switch the two integrals around, I think you can also switch limits and integrals, meaning you could probably replace Gamma(x) by Stirlings approximation, and pull the limit outside (ln is continuous).

    • @Noam_.Menashe
      @Noam_.Menashe 11 месяцев назад

      I think it's just because you get that a lot from the Gamma function (see Wallis product). So it's more so a different symptom of the same thing.

  • @goodplacetostop2973
    @goodplacetostop2973 11 месяцев назад +8

    12:26

  • @demenion3521
    @demenion3521 11 месяцев назад +1

    that's actually a really neat integral problem. i enjoyed that the most in a while

  • @riadsouissi
    @riadsouissi 11 месяцев назад

    Or more directly, substitute x by x+a, use Feynman trick to derive the integral in respect to a, then integrate within the integral in respect to x to get log(gamma(a+1)/gamma(a))=log(a).
    Integrate to get back thrle original integral to get alog(a) - a + c.
    Constant c is defined when a=0 which is a known integral that can be solved using inversion formula of the gamma function.

  • @Happy_Abe
    @Happy_Abe 11 месяцев назад +2

    Michael, just wanted to ask when the Math Major videos will continue?

  • @DmitriStarostin
    @DmitriStarostin 11 месяцев назад

    for a = 2 the value is 1.61, close to the value of i in the integral of (1 / ((1 + x power i) power i)) dx on 0 to infinity (which you did earlier) in power 2/3, as if it were the Kepler's law for the lunar ellipse axis' libration. So this Raabe integral is a measure of temporal distance between the two subsequent harmonics of the lunar librations showing up over time (but quite a long time, several centuries).

  • @enire8477
    @enire8477 11 месяцев назад +1

    Doesn't this only show its true for a>=1, and still need to be done for the case: 0

  • @minwithoutintroduction
    @minwithoutintroduction 11 месяцев назад

    رائع جدا كالعادة

  • @eytansuchard8640
    @eytansuchard8640 11 месяцев назад +2

    It should be a*ln(a)-a = Integral(ln(y)dy) from 0 to a. The limit of y*ln(y)-y -> 0 when y->0.

  • @Redfox0928
    @Redfox0928 11 месяцев назад

    Isn't that method also called Feynman's trick ? Or am I getting confused ?

    • @riadsouissi
      @riadsouissi 11 месяцев назад

      Yes, euivalent more or less.

  • @Noam_.Menashe
    @Noam_.Menashe 11 месяцев назад

    Don't you love symmetric functions?

  • @VaradMahashabde
    @VaradMahashabde 11 месяцев назад +2

    Raabe 4K

  • @BurningShipFractal
    @BurningShipFractal 11 месяцев назад

    On the thumbnail, it says “Rabbe’s Formula”, not “Raabe’s Formula”. it’s probably a mistake

  • @nasseerkassim1771
    @nasseerkassim1771 11 месяцев назад

    V good

  • @LeonhardEulerShades
    @LeonhardEulerShades 11 месяцев назад

    Is that how you pronounce Raabe? I've been saying Ra-bay for a while 😅

    • @MDMajor
      @MDMajor 11 месяцев назад +1

      Raabe was Swiss so it's probably more like "Rah-buh"

  • @abdoshaat3304
    @abdoshaat3304 11 месяцев назад

    You are difficult teacher you jumping the steps of the solution not algorithmize the steps
    It is better for you to watch how math 505 develops his solutions

    • @patricius6378
      @patricius6378 11 месяцев назад +1

      As a huge fan of both Penn and maths505, I personally don't see either of them "jumping the steps" harder than the other, it's just that they use different methods (I can't recall maths505 ever using pictures for switching up double integrals, or using many double integrals at all) and sometimes assume different prerequesites, which is fine.