Hubless Electric Roadster 24990€ Detailed Review!
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- This may be the most advanced electric bike today.
Integrated Rim Motor delivering 80 kW of power and 1000 Nm of torque. Our motor is an industry first, fully integrated electric motor.
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Looks like a new era is here to stay. Wonderful engineering!
Yes you're right
@@ElectricVehicleSpace I think we sometimes overlook there are so many people out there doing good for our society. Never forget we have come so far and learned do much about ourselves. The world will never be perfect but that's never stopped us from trying.
I definitely plan on getting this awesome bike!
@@ElectricVehicleSpace where does the motor come from? extremely skeptical of the claimed specs considering that a full hub motor doesn't deliver anywhere close to those specs. there's no room for most of the stator iron since there's no hub. what gauge are the windings? how many turns? lamination thickness? number? poles?
there is also no definitive proof for their claims of power and torque
@@ElectricVehicleSpace 👁👄👁 You’ve just earned yourself new subscriber. When can I buy? Do you also make cruiser style too?
I like Kawasaki Vulcan Sport cruiser style with the 2 saddlebags and the cargo space on the back. Kinda reminds me of the legendary Honda Goldwind Valkyrie Enginecycle.
Love your design.
Lot of people still use old school AGM Lead Acid batteries or the old school Lithium Ion batteries.
The new standard is Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries with the upcoming future chemistry being carbon Graphene batteries.
What battery chemistry do you guys use for your batteries?
Can I invest too as investor? I’m american Spanish.
this is old tech
I'm always amazed at the brilliance of the engineering that goes into these new designs.
Megola motorcycles (1921 to 1925) had the engine inside the front wheel.
This was futuristic
You all are going to change the world of Electric Motorcycles forever. Would love to visit Finland for a month to learn and create my very own Electric Motorcycle. Keep up the good work and thank for the video post.
Thank you but you don't need to be in Finland to build one.
@@ElectricVehicleSpace I don’t have the resources to build my own hub less motorcycles. At less in Finland; I would have like-minded individuals that are looking to teach. Nevertheless; you all keep doing what you are doing and I hope to purchase one of your bikes.
looks like theyd make a perfect TRON bike
This has to be the best looking, safest, and most innovative electric motor bike I've seen 👌 Good luck 👍
To all the Verge Team : great job guys! Your bike rocks and you as well 🤘!!
Awesome 👌
@@ElectricVehicleSpace will it perform well off road ??and if it hit bumper or pot holes is that an issue??
This would be a perfect pairing to my electric unicycle! Lets go! Electric future here we come!
Hubless wheels are insanely cool looking. That bike looks fantastic. I’ve been riding Sport Bikes for 38 years and I love the thought of a electric sport bike…hell electric any bike.
I cannot wait until I see this bike on the road. Beautiful!!! Exciting!!!!
Yes you are 100% right. That design is awesome!
You va test it now !! I did and it more than expected !!!
Never thought I'd want an electric, but I like where this is going.
I honestly think putting the motor in the wheel hub is the way to go for motorcycles possibly cars as well, Compare this to a Harley Davidson live wireAnd look at how much additional real estate is opened up for a bigger battery pack. Now if we could just get the energy densities for batteries in a place where we can get long range touring bikes
This is why this company is pushing the envelope and testing, prototyping and producing this amazing tech!
Hubs are only good for smooth road driving
It's nice to see all the experts in the comment section, laying all the facts out there, gathered from years of researched and development in the field. Had a lot of time with this products and throughly tested it. Thank you all so much. /s
These guys are definitely on the Verge. 👏 Amazing work 👏
Well said
So different from the rest, far out the best e-bike I have seen
Pretty excited to see where this tech goes. My typical bike outing is usually 150-300 miles though. Can't wait to see them getting more power and mileage out of these things!!!
Miles yes power why? Are you looking to take off and fly?
@@ElectricVehicleSpace 0-100kmh in 4 seconds is not impressive for a sport bike especially considering it has 1000tq at its disposal. The top speed is also pretty lack luster. I was expecting to see performance at least equal to a 600cc bike.
@@chester82gtstang look at their website ..i ve driven their verge pro it was a total hoot fast and way smoother than a 600cc bike . Their verge ultra is 1.9 second to 100kmph . So fast enough but remember its effortless !!! Its not comparable to ice . It has way more tork .. its most fun bike i drove in 30 years
It would be more cooler if the front wheel was also hubless.
By the way great project
Yes I agree
@@ElectricVehicleSpace f
Especially if you can build regen into the front wheel, this would almost make the brakes redundant.
If they can get funding, more can be invested in research to make that viable. Hubless wheel concepts have been a dream for industrial designers since the 80s.
A two wheel drive bike would be surely interesting, but I'm still worried about the high suspended weight issue for the suspension and the angular momentum of a wheel with an integrated engine, especially on the front wheel that's directional. We all know how huge diameter wheels that are so fashionable in the custom world make the bikes that mount them tricky to handle and they are slow hogs...
Great design for a electric motorcycle! Wanna have one!
this actually very revolutionary product ...
yes indeed.
It looks like an incredible bike but if there's any honesty in this 'review', there's been no proving of hubless design durability in the environment most of us exist in where it's exposed to sand, dust and other things that grind contact surfaces into oblivion.
I'm wondering how fast dirt will build up in the fins !
@@SuperYellowsubmarin Ha ha! In the fins! From Finland!
I would hopefully assume that this is a sealed motor design in which case there theoretically would be no areas for dirt or water to enter. If that's not the case then this product is doomed. Unless they can power this motorcycle with the rear wheel fully submerged I can't see this being reliable
@@caseymurray7722 I think it's doomed from the beginning even if it worked practically. A rear hub motor like you get on a typical e-bike is far lighter, has less moving parts, easier to dismount and costs a whole lot less. When you have a technology that does the same thing but better, who would even bother buying this except to prove they got a lot of money?
What about the fit and Finnish.
Please export this awesome bike to india in future ❤️ from india
Bike looks great ! I still think silent bikes are dangerous cause you don't hear them coming
Very remarkable and intriguing bike. Of course implementing a revolutionary shift from over 100 years of time-tested and applied design without introducing compromises in complexity, reliability and cost typically require a paradigm shift in thinking, technology and manufacturing. Let's hope they have achieved this!
I think no one will start a brand a company without a concept that works 100%. Would you?
@@ElectricVehicleSpace Well, it seems that people do start a brand company with concepts that fail, often because the concept or implementation does not deliver as promised or simply can't bootstrap beyond the investment and development required to compete in a market. Notable examples might be the DeLorean Motor Car Company, Aptera, Segway, SAAB, Monteverdi, General Motors. TVR, BSA., Bultaco, Britten, Rupp, and etc.
I've been involved with a few startups, including a motorcycle startup launched by one of the top iconic names in auto racing with backing by big names in manufacturing, They offered a marketing leading product that delivered 120% beyond the competition but in the end could not develop enough brand identity to compete against established market leaders.
I love and am intrigued by what Verge has developed and promises to offer. It looks well conceived and implemented, but I'm familiar with what it takes to bootstrap from an innovative startup to delivering to niche and mass markets, and how it takes more than a great concept, innovation and passion alone.
Verge might just be able to pull it off, if they have a product that can deliver and excels in one or more areas, over market leaders, with no failures in quality, reliability and product support.
@@ElectricVehicleSpace happens all the time!
This is an exciting new product. Thank you for opening this option to us riders!!
Absolutely 💯 💯 💯 but still if you look at the comments there are still individuals that doubt or don't like EV progression.
Super hyped ....... To see in person.......
It’s gorgeous. Look forward to seeing something more in the local commuter size from you.
Oh my that looks amazing 👏 we'll done team Verge.. 👍🏻
Overall a great looking bike, even if it comes through a bit plastic.
Why don you spec the battery in your webpage?
Cant wait to see all the cool things you guys come up wit soon!!
Beautiful...
I know not everyone loves this. People are turning back to classic model well that's good because ... Only few people shall have this 'unique, futuristic Bold, cruiser ergonomic'..
I love the rare final drive with those 3 beautiful control cables detailing the bike... It's sooooo SEXY
Would be great to you guys do e-bikes and dirt bikes as well.
Also, implementing an AWD system like the one made by a company called Christini, where the front wheel is engaged by the back wheel engine through sprockets only when necessary.
That electric bike with a digital setup looks awesome and handsome as damn as hell. But the big problem, it was not universal for maintenance, especially in specialized auto shops, unlike conventional auto shops.
Any bike shop can do mechanical maintanance on this bike !!
Interesting concept.
How is the unsprung weight compared to a bike with a rear hub?
This is the comment i was looking for, copper is very heavy, this rear wheel assembly is probably around 20kg, a big no no for handling
It is crap. Look at how much the tire is bouncing on the rollers in the beginning of the video
The overwidth rear tyre means it will handle like shite ,anyway.
Leave that garbage for chopper crap.
It's a Marvel. Straight from the future.
The open wheel or hubless design really reminds of yuhioh 5Ds Yusei's bike
I'm wondering how much this wheel weighs... looks absolutely massive.
The faster you go the greater the gyroscopic effect? What happens to it in a crash from 100mph? Do bike, battery & rear wheel motor all stay together? That rotational energy has got to somewhere it doesn't want to?
@@kevinburke6743 bro...he's not the inventor😶🤣
As an engineer I love it!
This electric bike looks very promising! Well done Finland.
Good thing, we all have been waiting for electric bikes!
The number of people who wait for touchscreens in bikes:-1
Ride it like a hooligan, drag it against a 600cc 15 year old bike, wheelie it, burnout the back tyre...
Questions that everybody asks.
Wow its beautiful bike sir, what a bike for me its a big wow., ang a wonderful master piece
Adventure bike please.
It’s a growing market! Personally I’d never buy a dedicated road bike again.
Beautiful machine though, well done!
Honestly great job, great vision brought to life, keep up the awesome work man
great stuff, bro !
Appreciate it!
Great ideas (first time an hubless design actually makes sense), but I would like to know about the unsuspended weight, inertia and angular momentum of the rear wheel with the integrated engine and their effects on handling, especially on bumps.
Also with the wheel convenience thingy, come on, you don't take out the tyre of yours (and just dismounting the wheel is even simpler in, let's say, an old BMW R90S: loosen a bolt, remove another and out), which would be interesting, as it does not seem to fit tyre mounting machines that require a wheel with a hub...
So the subject, your bike, is very interesting indeed, but the video is poor, especially for us bikers who like to know about nuts and bolts and can see through the pub...
Megola motorcycles (1921 to 1925) had the engine inside the front wheel.
This was futuristic
Bike is on sale now !!! Its super fast waterproof and easy to change tires .. unsorung weight is very do able as they made it light .. best of all low center of gravity .. i ve tested it it was better than all i had !!! Including a ninja and yzfsp750
LoL "keyless" 3:53
Awesome machine though, can't wait to see one on the road.
Great work man, really in love with this beauty with a hidden beast inside. Looking forward to see you in India.
Moved to Finland 2 weeks ago and YT started recommending me Finnish content, Nice bike though!
Looks like I'm seeing something from the future. Awesome bike. I salute the engineering team behind this marvel.
One thing i don't get is why does it only have 300kms of range despite having 20kw battery
That's a good question 🤔 how much range would you expect?
There's an electric bike called Prana here in India, it has got about 4.3kw battery and has a range of about 100km. It's about 80kgs lighter than the Verge but still..
@@anaskb1798 difference in power and speed ! Also with the current battery technology, more battery gives you diminishing returns.
Drag is a big limiting factor for motorcycles. Their drag coefficient is usually between 0.5-1.0. That's double a typical car.
@@anaskb1798 I guess a claimed range of 100km (like NIU and SuperSoco) - tested with a driver that weighs 70kg at a speed of 35km/h and nowhere near any real standards like a driver that weighs 100kg and goes 85km/h on the way home. Then the range quickly drops below 60km
All I can say wow good luck nice techno ebike
The 140K Tesla Plaid is now faster, more efficient, more reliable, more durable and almost no maintenance/repairs than anything produced from ferrari, lambo, mclaren, porsche and even bugatti. EV tech has overtaken 100 year of ICE tech. The same will happen with electric motorcycles in the very near future! Enjoy!
Larry well said!
so cool and powerful, but the problems are the same:
how much does it cost to change the batteries? how will the batteries be disposed of?
Would be nice to see how to change the rear tire.
just ... woooow .. that is a electric bike Sr
Follow up video coming soon
I love that one, great job😃
Would love to see a custom with this tecnology!
Nice bike! I hope there will be 2x2 hubless option. I think Keanu Reeves gonna love this if you show it to him, given his cyberpunk and bike sympathy)
I would love to ride with him....any ebike he is one my favorite 😍 movie starts. The matrix 😎 is still so cool after 20 years!
Wow!
That is AMAZING!!!
Looking forward to street, track & and dyno testing.
🍻 🍻
Damn, that would be a bike i would probably buy if i had a licence
Wow... Great job Guys. Seriously very nice motorcycle. I'm so impressed. And these will only get better.
Looks cool. Front fork...for looks, the next model needs to be hub steering, see Bimota or Vyrus.
Looks amazing what bike licence do you need to ride it
hopefully in one year ill have one
Nice!
A Master Piece !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Imagine a monster truck using motors on every wheel;
enormous torque and a lot of capacity for the battery pack;
changing its suspensions from all terrains to the race position near the ground...
that would be a fantasy car;
charging with dc 50kw supercharger...
--> and to dream more... :
1. wi-fi cameras all around...
2. a remote control engine ...
3. an anti-gravity chamber with transparent half filled water storage boxes, the cabin should be separated from the engine in case you roll over and fall in a normal position, not upside down;
4. or with magnets and a controller that push you where you want to;
5. the ideal case it would be if the wheels are bigger than the cabin ...something like rollcage gameplay from 1999;
6. i think the ideal example is for the chamber needs to be just for one person to rotate him in case he goes upside down...
If i make more money i would do a mini kart with 4 Brushless Motors For Go Kart 72v 3000w... bigger wheels than the cabin...
Fantastic bike mate.
Cheers from a bloody owner Frenchman of a zero premium SR\F. FANTASTIC STUFF. humble respect for your design. 👍👍
It looks amazing. Fantastic work Guys.
Amazing !!! Beautifull !!!
Thank you! Cheers!
What you just made man?? This is not a Bike...!! It's Engineering Marvel..!! 1000nm Torque that's unimaginable thing..!! Super Insane..!! Try to Increase the range considering its 20 kw, it must be clocked 500 odd Kms..!! Highly appreciate your hard work..!!
Pretty sweet, I'll wait for the 5th generation when it's improved and better technology. Not ro mention brake pads needing replacement etc not maintenance free lol
they're talking about the motor, numbnuts
Love it! Hubless wheels very cool, hubmotors also very cool, but put those two together!
I think this is cooler
Yes put those two together in a place where dirt, corrosion and grit don't exist.. It's magical..
What? This thing has more torque than my Tesla? Crazy. Someday I will also want an electric motorcycle.
Bravo, one of the best naked looking bike I've seen, I'm not the el bikes guy - I support Akrapovic movement :) but this is maybe the one that changes my mind just cause of the look and maybe torque :)) If you ever come to deliver to slovenia, give me a call. Bravo again
Incredible work!!!! Grandeeeee!!!
yes indeed
Amazing design 👏 congrats 👏 🙌
I can only imagine what hard work you have done.
Thank you! Cheers!
waiting brother fantastic start am from india
Excellent idea looks it’s heading toward the future, but wait and see the reliability and dependability for such a price??
Looks cool but you should really add a speaker for optional riding noises, i wouldn't buy a road bike the didnt make enough noise so cars could sense my presence. Every near miss i have had on the road has been because a car has merged into me or assumed im stopping because they cant hear my engine.
Soon as i got a louder pipe i havent had any issue with this and ill never go back to a quiet bike.
i hope they`re planning on making a 2wheel drive version
Dude it looks amazing. I would buy it just for the cyberpunk look alone. But it's a HEAVY bike. My zx6r is 100lbs less, faster and can go further. Would love to test it tho, maybe change my mind.
Yes give it a try if you are near by the company. Would love to see your feedback after the test ride.
This bike is a absolute hoot to ride . You ll love it . Dont worry about the weight it has double the tork of your little machine ;-)
Super elektro motorka přátelé, wau ta nemá chybu. Krásný den a srdečný pozdrav z ČR.
Wow!! Beautiful machine indeed!! I wonder if you already have a dealer here in west Europe for it?
Totally inlove with this rn.😍
I’d love to have one in a small vacation country like Jamaica.
Go Finland! I'd buy one, but with my salary it's only eye candy for the forseeable future 🤷
Absolutly Beautiful.
Thank you! Cheers!
Thank you so much for detailed video.
Daang thats awesome,nice specs😎 i would love to try this bad boy
Really a fan of your work this design is really impressive and futuristic...
Good job guys, and good luck onwards.
As for me, I'll buy my first electric motorcycle when the battery will last for at least 700km of touring.
That’s one beautiful bike. If I had the funds at the moment I would purchase it ASAP.
Is there a design for an ebike in the very near future? One that I could bring in with me into stores, and ride without unwanted stares on the bike paths etc while still being capable of going on the highway.
Vraiment vivement que ça soit en vente c trop beau et c une vrai moto et ces roues...merci
En plus deux styles de conduite moi suis plus cruise
Looks sweet but a few inputs..
1) The rear yellow electric wires going to the hub would look better in a tube tucked away
2) Keyless go without touching with a card like some Hondas and Harleys have would be better
3) The mirrors look outdated and out of place on this modern tech and a couple of bullet cams on the sides with thoughtfully placed monitors would clean up the front and look much sleeker and modern
4) Motorized up&down windscreen in the middle would give some kind of wind protection
5) Integrated sequential led rear turn signals into the brake light. For the front led sequential turn, singlas could be integrated into the gas tank area square black parts next to the headlight, looking at it from the front
6) Heated grips, seat and cruise control always are welcomed bonuses
they're polish, mate. not exactly known for being style icons lol
I really love this bike. Such a Great concept ! Congratulations!
Honest question: would it be possible to charge with higher power like 150kW? What are the constraints here? Full charge in less then 10min would be the deal breaker.
And second question: battery technology will steeply develop in the upcoming years. Do you consider an option to exchange the Lithium-ion battery pack by something with more capacity in future?
Lithium Ion batteries have a specific energy of 1% of fossil fuels. The theoretical maximum is 50% higher than current tech, or 1.5% of fossil fuel specific energy. Maybe in 10-20 years this vehicle could have a 30kWh pack in the same chassis volume. C rate is the ratio of battery capacity to power over time(charge or discharge). Different cell chemistries offer different C rates. There are also multiple C rates typically rated for the cells. Usually there is a continuous rating for discharge and recharge; with pulse ratings for bursts of much higher power. This vehicle has a 20kWh battery, 150kw charging would need a C rate of 7.5C continuous. That is very high, an 8 minute charge if charging where to occur at full power(never happens). I'm going to guess that this is a 60S battery pack with a voltage around 250 volts so it can do CCS charging efficiently. That would make it an 80Ah pack. At the rated 80kW of the motor, that's only 15 minutes of operation time at 4C. If you want faster "fill up" time, battery swaps are the way to go. There is also lower wear on the battery when you aren't charging at high C rates.
@@davisbradford7438 indeed, that high of a c rate is not gonna work with our current battery chemistery without frying the battery.
@@ElmarBon Maybe for a few seconds, but not continuously. There is a lot of demand for features that aren't physically possible with BEV's. People need to adjust their expectations and realize that fossil fuels are like magic.
I guess there is really big bearings in there, I’m thinking that they would wear way way faster Because of the higher speeds than a smaller bearing?
Lets say a ball bearing with an outer diameter of 100mm and an inner diameter of 50mm when the bearing turns one turn, each ball bearing spins 10 turns. Now lets up that to outer diameter of 500mm and an inner diameter of 450mm. For 1 rotation each ball now has to spin 100 turns.
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Looks great. Loved the details.
COOL NOW I CAN JOIN THE BIKERS THANKS ELECTRIC WIZARD ❗
Fantastic design.
Love this machine from INDIA tamilnadu
Come to india
Đây là xe của những cuộc đua xe motorcycle tương lai.
Does it have traction control? That much torque is going to create a lot of wheelspins without it.
well a fully fledged top tier functional tron bike is the near future .Look at the bike woooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Looks nice, ride nice. R u planning to make a tourist motorcycles? Like bmw r1200rt - r1250rt?
cant wait for a fully fared super sport