Ben's found footage movies of showing us where he hides the bodies. But in all seriousness this was a very interesting video. I always like learning and seeing the old cameras in work.
The completed film looks bright, clear & sharp and I liked the way the camera captured the sun's rays. 😀 As an added bonus, this slice of the nature's bounty didn't end up as a segment of Oddity Archive - After Dark. 😉 I hope you put in a complaint to the company about the staples in your film reels as that sort of thing is not on.
While other creators are getting burnt out appeasing the algorithm, Ben is making full amateur (the good kind of amateur) experimental films to music and rainsound because he wants to. I have worked with 16mm before, so I don't miss editing film manually, but it's good you seemed to have fun with it.
Super 8 can look great! The problems you see in old home movies is usually "camera dad" didn't really understand exposure. My step grandfather was the KING of the closed aperture. I remember being bathed in 14,000 watts of intense (and hot) lights, but the films STILL looked like they were filmed in a cave by candlelight! LOL. I learned (still) photography on an Argus C3 as a kid. Entirely manual! By the time I got my hands on a movie camera later on I had learned that the settings actually had meaning! LOL. Also the color is usually "off" on old films. The didn't looks that way when they were newer, The dies shift in color over the years (a lot of that has to do with storage conditions.).
And now from the Criterion collection: Ben's super 8 footage. Now at 18 and 24 film rate, critics thrill at the Blair witch like picture like quality at this breathtaking visuals. Birdemic director says "I wish my stuff looked this good. " Now on 4K and blu ray. If it is a lock off it should be able to be put on a pedestal lock off, and maybe roll back and mix to fade things in a out and do some rudimentary special effects live incamera. Or am I getting my hopes up? But my God does it eat batteries like I do pizza. Great work Ben. At keast it is betrer than Manos.
It's well worth watching this whole episode. The ending is very satisfying this way. The scan is excellent, though I admit to feeling nostalgic pangs while watching the clips shown on the "Benecine". Seriously, your music and the film was relaxing to me, especially when taken in context to struggles/frustrations of its making. Your hard work for this whole episode shows. Well done!!!!
That film that you shot was absolutely scrumptious for the eyes, the bodies of water were especially beautiful to look at. It goes to prove how superior film is in many respects, I mean, digital is fantastic but nothing will ever replace the luxurious look and ambient feel of film. Great work, Ben. I hope you can continue to pursue shooting on film, those two reels you shot could be marketed as nature films.
Actually, the finished film looked way nicer than I thought it would. I was thinking it would be really blurry/grainy/etc., but the colors looked pretty sharp. It sounded like you tested those batteries after using them, to make sure they were really run down and it wasn't just the camera messing up at the end of the roll - if that's the case, then yes that thing REALLY eats batteries! And finally, I'm glad this worked out better than the last time you tried to show us a nature film. 😃
The batteries continued to test good in the camera, but replacing them seemed to help. I’ve pretty well thrown up my hands at that camera at this point.
I shot "straight" 8mm AND Super 8mm stuff in "the day". Super 8 was a huge improvement due to the larger size of the frame. The bigger they are projected the more pronounced the image quality difference. There are pistol grips that mount in the tripod socket (Of just about ANY camera) I even used one on a 1950s Brownie movie camera (The boxiest of boxy 8mm cameras!) of course theres not "trigger" or battery compartment, But some prefer the ergonomics of such a grip (I even use on my modern Canon digital camcorders)
COOL ❤CAMERA THANKS FOR SHARING LETTING US KNOW WE CAN STILL USE A SUPER 8 FILM I LOVE ALL OF YOUR VIDEOS KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK I TYPE IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE OF MY BAD EYESIGHT 😊
Ah, back when you had to prepare your shot, since wasting film is out of the question, $ wise. These days it's just shoot 50 hours of cheap digital video, and then try to paste something together to get a finished film. See all the garbage on netflix, etc.
Despite being from present year, the whole look of this super 8 cine footage feels very 60's-70's, simply because of the type of media it is. It's nostalgic and yet, not at all nostalgic, especially when the smart phone is captured. Nature, of course, never changes so, if you'd shown the trees and leaves in the parks exclusively, then they could easily have been convincing enough to have been shot 50+ years ago. Assuming it was a film that was hardly ever shown and didn't have any scratches or blemishes on it through the effects of time.
Ok after this episode, I will NEVER complain again about spending $30 dollars for 110 Lomo film (12exp) and $20 dollars for "possibly" working Magicubes (pre electronic flash) for my vintage photography hobby. There is just something about good old fashioned Super 8 that no amount of videotape or digital can quite mimic. Sure they can let you see breathtaking colors at amazing resolutions, but there is an essence, a "purity" if you will. A magic about vintage film that while it doesn't capture the sharpness, it doesn't need to! You know what it is you are viewing, and it seems to capture that moment, that "frame" in time with a detail that makes it feel like a past memory, a moment of happiness or fondness that you remember. An "image of eternity" of you will. Ben don't give up the vintage filming project. It's one of those things that truly make "Oddity Archive" not just odd, but memorable.
You have to believe that in the decades of non-stabilized, dark 8mm footage, more than a few people said, "One day we will have something better." In terms of capturing detail, we absolutely do. Better resolution, better frame rates, better low-light capture - everything. And now, people are chasing the grainy aesthetic of inferior image capture technology, either by filming in 8mm or trying to find filters for their phones which will simulate it. Others enjoy using old VHS, which, given my age, is a strange aesthetic choice. VHS was a "good enough" technology for its time but nothing I ever had any particular aesthetic love for, but now you have all of these analog horror channels which use it to amazing effect. My brain goes haywire, as I am old enough to have experienced the VHS age as a contemporary "now" phenomenon, but even I - somehow - can recognize the uncanny quality of simulated or actual VHS now. (I really like analog horror. A lot.) I think about this a lot when watching your channel. Even more recent stuff like 80s television - I am old enough to know there was nothing aesthetically pleasing about it at the time; it felt modern and crisp only by the standards of what came before it. Time passes and now simple cable television local news/events chyrons grab my attention, as does this 8mm footage. I used to stare at those chyrons for school closings and didn't think much of it. It has taken on a strange quality with time. If I could make my phone shoot footage with convincing 8mm aesthetics, I'd probably shoot 1/3 of the stuff I normally shoot in it. How very odd. "No, I'd like the record of this time and place to be less precise than modern digital video. I cannot explain exactly why." Because I really do like 8mm. There's no getting around it.
Other names for px23 battery are 4LR42, 4SR42 and 4NR42, so I guess you can cobble it up from 4 stacked button cell batteries of aforementioned form factors. Dimensions check out - about 3.6 mm smaller, but you can reduce the difference by taping around the stack and adding bit of foil to + side
I knew 35mm film was back in production, but very surprised super 8 is. Is 16mm also, or does it fall in a gap where movie studios don't want it, and hobbyists can't afford it? Could be very artistically satisfying to shoot an OA episode for a relevant special occasion/topic on super 8.... Also, I think this shows the effect of time on film. This looks like vintage 8/super 8 films, except that the colors are so much mote vibrant.
I think your bad pseudo-artsy horror film should be like the Slenderman Marble Hornets videos and you should title it "The Supernatural Archivist." You've sold all your analog equipment to try to stop the Emergency Alert System voice from making you cross-dress on Halloween but now there's a strange man that shows up randomly as you spend endless days by the park. Anytime you see him there's an Emergency Action Notification on your phone. You look down, and suddenly you awake back in your house. Strange people wearing Rejuvenique masks begin stalking you. Also the footage looks nice. I feel like it's indeed a good intro to an ARG.
You might want to contract yourself out to anyone making (serious) Analog Horror. You have all the tools that most content creators try to fake with digital video filters. The shakiness alone of the super 8 is a great, spooky backdrop. Like watching Zapruder over and over.
Cool stuff! Don't know if you had found this, but there is a downloadable scan of an old magazine article on the photomemorablila site from uk which explains the camera in prettn good detail, including the "L" setting on that dial.
Your Elmo C-200 will not take the Double 8 magazine that will only go into the C-300. The 200 can only take Super 8 and Single 8 mags. The original light meter battery had 3.9V so 6V is quite a lot more. I tried using three 675 1.45V batteries.
Hi got a couple of questions here goes. Q1 what scanner did u use? Q2 does it do standard and super 8? Want to transfer my mum's family reels to a more modern format. So she can enjoy them again...
I shot cine film in the early 2000. A roll of D8 or Super 8 film and processing was about $25. I got it processed through Wal mart, who sent it to "Dwayne's", the last kodachome lab in North America. Kodak pulled kodachrome, replaced it with the 50D Ekta and prices went through the roof. Such a shame, reversal film is so beautiful For the money, you are better off just running 16mm.
Unfortunately it sounds like the counter on your camera is broken as they usually reset when you remove a cart of film. Also Kodak was having problems with the Ektachrome carts jamming although I thought they had fixed them so your camera may be to weak to easy pull them through.
Not 100% sure, but I think the L position on the FPS selector stands for 'Locked' - a la off. (Pressing the (start?) button while in that position should confirm this.)
I thought the film Super 8 was pretty good but I also felt I could've directed it better, much like the other Cloverfield and Cloverfield-adjacent cannon.
The Episode I’ve been looking forward to!
Ben's found footage movies of showing us where he hides the bodies. But in all seriousness this was a very interesting video. I always like learning and seeing the old cameras in work.
The completed film looks bright, clear & sharp and I liked the way the camera captured the sun's rays. 😀
As an added bonus, this slice of the nature's bounty didn't end up as a segment of Oddity Archive - After Dark. 😉
I hope you put in a complaint to the company about the staples in your film reels as that sort of thing is not on.
Especially the coloring, So beautiful. 2022 in 70s edition.
While other creators are getting burnt out appeasing the algorithm, Ben is making full amateur (the good kind of amateur) experimental films to music and rainsound because he wants to.
I have worked with 16mm before, so I don't miss editing film manually, but it's good you seemed to have fun with it.
Absolutely love the way 8mm ( super 8) looks ! It looks like it was filmed in the 60s ,at least till the smartphone came into view lol!
Anachronism much? lol
Happy Oddity Thursday! Once again Thursday is back my favorite day of the week. :)
Damn, that actually looked way good.
Super 8 can look great! The problems you see in old home movies is usually "camera dad" didn't really understand exposure. My step grandfather was the KING of the closed aperture. I remember being bathed in 14,000 watts of intense (and hot) lights, but the films STILL looked like they were filmed in a cave by candlelight! LOL. I learned (still) photography on an Argus C3 as a kid. Entirely manual! By the time I got my hands on a movie camera later on I had learned that the settings actually had meaning! LOL. Also the color is usually "off" on old films. The didn't looks that way when they were newer, The dies shift in color over the years (a lot of that has to do with storage conditions.).
And now from the Criterion collection: Ben's super 8 footage. Now at 18 and 24 film rate, critics thrill at the Blair witch like picture like quality at this breathtaking visuals. Birdemic director says "I wish my stuff looked this good. " Now on 4K and blu ray.
If it is a lock off it should be able to be put on a pedestal lock off, and maybe roll back and mix to fade things in a out and do some rudimentary special effects live incamera. Or am I getting my hopes up?
But my God does it eat batteries like I do pizza. Great work Ben. At keast it is betrer than Manos.
Great stuff as always! The new Ektachrome emulsion really is something else.
It's well worth watching this whole episode. The ending is very satisfying this way.
The scan is excellent, though I admit to feeling nostalgic pangs while watching the clips shown on the "Benecine".
Seriously, your music and the film was relaxing to me, especially when taken in context to struggles/frustrations of its making. Your hard work for this whole episode shows. Well done!!!!
Ben is clearly an EDM Artist and Great at B-Roll Filmmaking!
Oddity Archive combined with my hobby of film photography! Excellent.
A subtle yet profound little horror movie if I ever saw one, Ben.
The 'T' stands for *Telephoto* which means "getting in close to the subject without physically walking right up to it/him/her.
That film that you shot was absolutely scrumptious for the eyes, the bodies of water were especially beautiful to look at. It goes to prove how superior film is in many respects, I mean, digital is fantastic but nothing will ever replace the luxurious look and ambient feel of film.
Great work, Ben. I hope you can continue to pursue shooting on film, those two reels you shot could be marketed as nature films.
i'm just glad this thing didn't giggle like a dumbass and insist that you tickle it
Actually, the finished film looked way nicer than I thought it would. I was thinking it would be really blurry/grainy/etc., but the colors looked pretty sharp. It sounded like you tested those batteries after using them, to make sure they were really run down and it wasn't just the camera messing up at the end of the roll - if that's the case, then yes that thing REALLY eats batteries!
And finally, I'm glad this worked out better than the last time you tried to show us a nature film. 😃
The batteries continued to test good in the camera, but replacing them seemed to help. I’ve pretty well thrown up my hands at that camera at this point.
Ah yes, the moment in OA annals, memorable for Ben's unscripted, live reaction to things going sideways. I doubt I'll ever forget it.
I agree, the footage looked really good I thought! Makes me wanna use my Kodak Brownie camera already! If only I can get any movement out of it...
I shot "straight" 8mm AND Super 8mm stuff in "the day". Super 8 was a huge improvement due to the larger size of the frame. The bigger they are projected the more pronounced the image quality difference. There are pistol grips that mount in the tripod socket (Of just about ANY camera) I even used one on a 1950s Brownie movie camera (The boxiest of boxy 8mm cameras!) of course theres not "trigger" or battery compartment, But some prefer the ergonomics of such a grip (I even use on my modern Canon digital camcorders)
COOL ❤CAMERA THANKS FOR SHARING LETTING US KNOW WE CAN STILL USE A SUPER 8 FILM I LOVE ALL OF YOUR VIDEOS KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK I TYPE IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE OF MY BAD EYESIGHT 😊
Ah, back when you had to prepare your shot, since wasting film is out of the question, $ wise. These days it's just shoot 50 hours of cheap digital video, and then try to paste something together to get a finished film. See all the garbage on netflix, etc.
Despite being from present year, the whole look of this super 8 cine footage feels very 60's-70's, simply because of the type of media it is. It's nostalgic and yet, not at all nostalgic, especially when the smart phone is captured. Nature, of course, never changes so, if you'd shown the trees and leaves in the parks exclusively, then they could easily have been convincing enough to have been shot 50+ years ago. Assuming it was a film that was hardly ever shown and didn't have any scratches or blemishes on it through the effects of time.
Ok after this episode, I will NEVER complain again about spending $30 dollars for 110 Lomo film (12exp) and $20 dollars for "possibly" working Magicubes (pre electronic flash) for my vintage photography hobby. There is just something about good old fashioned Super 8 that no amount of videotape or digital can quite mimic.
Sure they can let you see breathtaking colors at amazing resolutions, but there is an essence, a "purity" if you will. A magic about vintage film that while it doesn't capture the sharpness, it doesn't need to! You know what it is you are viewing, and it seems to capture that moment, that "frame" in time with a detail that makes it feel like a past memory, a moment of happiness or fondness that you remember. An "image of eternity" of you will.
Ben don't give up the vintage filming project. It's one of those things that truly make "Oddity Archive" not just odd, but memorable.
Thanks for the video
You have to believe that in the decades of non-stabilized, dark 8mm footage, more than a few people said, "One day we will have something better." In terms of capturing detail, we absolutely do. Better resolution, better frame rates, better low-light capture - everything.
And now, people are chasing the grainy aesthetic of inferior image capture technology, either by filming in 8mm or trying to find filters for their phones which will simulate it. Others enjoy using old VHS, which, given my age, is a strange aesthetic choice. VHS was a "good enough" technology for its time but nothing I ever had any particular aesthetic love for, but now you have all of these analog horror channels which use it to amazing effect. My brain goes haywire, as I am old enough to have experienced the VHS age as a contemporary "now" phenomenon, but even I - somehow - can recognize the uncanny quality of simulated or actual VHS now. (I really like analog horror. A lot.)
I think about this a lot when watching your channel. Even more recent stuff like 80s television - I am old enough to know there was nothing aesthetically pleasing about it at the time; it felt modern and crisp only by the standards of what came before it. Time passes and now simple cable television local news/events chyrons grab my attention, as does this 8mm footage. I used to stare at those chyrons for school closings and didn't think much of it. It has taken on a strange quality with time.
If I could make my phone shoot footage with convincing 8mm aesthetics, I'd probably shoot 1/3 of the stuff I normally shoot in it.
How very odd. "No, I'd like the record of this time and place to be less precise than modern digital video. I cannot explain exactly why."
Because I really do like 8mm. There's no getting around it.
Other names for px23 battery are 4LR42, 4SR42 and 4NR42, so I guess you can cobble it up from 4 stacked button cell batteries of aforementioned form factors. Dimensions check out - about 3.6 mm smaller, but you can reduce the difference by taping around the stack and adding bit of foil to + side
Inspirational!
I knew 35mm film was back in production, but very surprised super 8 is. Is 16mm also, or does it fall in a gap where movie studios don't want it, and hobbyists can't afford it?
Could be very artistically satisfying to shoot an OA episode for a relevant special occasion/topic on super 8....
Also, I think this shows the effect of time on film. This looks like vintage 8/super 8 films, except that the colors are so much mote vibrant.
16mm is being made again, but, as of my making this, it was almost three times the cost of Super 8.
Seems appropriate... twice as wide, twice as long for the same time.
The art of 8mm filming has been lost for a while. Hopefully you can bring it back, and make it popular again Ben. 🤞🏻
5:55 Yeah I fell for the later trendy Canon models. (Still want a XLS version of the 1014) Even more so for the 16mm too. (Bolex H16 Rex 5 anyone?)
I think your bad pseudo-artsy horror film should be like the Slenderman Marble Hornets videos and you should title it "The Supernatural Archivist." You've sold all your analog equipment to try to stop the Emergency Alert System voice from making you cross-dress on Halloween but now there's a strange man that shows up randomly as you spend endless days by the park. Anytime you see him there's an Emergency Action Notification on your phone. You look down, and suddenly you awake back in your house. Strange people wearing Rejuvenique masks begin stalking you.
Also the footage looks nice. I feel like it's indeed a good intro to an ARG.
You might want to contract yourself out to anyone making (serious) Analog Horror. You have all the tools that most content creators try to fake with digital video filters. The shakiness alone of the super 8 is a great, spooky backdrop. Like watching Zapruder over and over.
We have just put on ebay the same camera with 2 instruction booklets in English and other accessories including a filter and a close up lens number 1.
Cool stuff! Don't know if you had found this, but there is a downloadable scan of an old magazine article on the photomemorablila site from uk which explains the camera in prettn good detail, including the "L" setting on that dial.
That is the article I'd found. Guess I just missed that bit amongst all the other info.
Your Elmo C-200 will not take the Double 8 magazine that will only go into the C-300. The 200 can only take Super 8 and Single 8 mags. The original light meter battery had 3.9V so 6V is quite a lot more. I tried using three 675 1.45V batteries.
Benny Boy is going to have to have some Adventures with Steadicam in the future.
The film has a creepy look to it... I kept expecting a clown armed with a bloody chainsaw to come around the corner.
Kind of reminded me of the movie Sinister
This is sort of the aesthetic I want for my films.
@@oldradiosnphonographs What kind of films do you make?
@@Atticus118 right now I’m only in the learning process so nothing too Professional at all
Benny-boy is the next Stan Brakhage with that footage. 🎥
Hi got a couple of questions here goes. Q1 what scanner did u use? Q2 does it do standard and super 8? Want to transfer my mum's family reels to a more modern format. So she can enjoy them again...
I shot cine film in the early 2000. A roll of D8 or Super 8 film and processing was about $25. I got it processed through Wal mart, who sent it to "Dwayne's", the last kodachome lab in North America. Kodak pulled kodachrome, replaced it with the 50D Ekta and prices went through the roof. Such a shame, reversal film is so beautiful For the money, you are better off just running 16mm.
Not the worst student film I've ever seen.
Unfortunately it sounds like the counter on your camera is broken as they usually reset when you remove a cart of film. Also Kodak was having problems with the Ektachrome carts jamming although I thought they had fixed them so your camera may be to weak to easy pull them through.
Enough lens flares for 3 and a half j.j. abramses.
Seriously, absolutely beautifully colors and tone.
Super 8 Film in 2022, well at least among retro-tech nerds like Ol' Benny boy.
Not 100% sure, but I think the L position on the FPS selector stands for 'Locked' - a la off. (Pressing the (start?) button while in that position should confirm this.)
that sky looks tasty as hell
Not bad for film stock that was probably older than you. Put some spooky music and some wolf howls in there and you're off to a good start.
That was new, contemporary film stock.
@@OddityArchive I am shocked that they still make the film for that. Wow.
I thought the film Super 8 was pretty good but I also felt I could've directed it better, much like the other Cloverfield and Cloverfield-adjacent cannon.
Where is the SD card slot?
In the camcorder I used to shoot most of the episode.
Auetur ❤❤❤