Is it a Problem for the NBA to Have 6 of the 10 Best Players be International? | THE ODD COUPLE
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- Опубликовано: 21 май 2024
- THE ODD COUPLE - Chris Broussard & Rob Parker continue their conversation on Jalen Rose thinking American basketball players could be out of job as international players get better.
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The media is the problem, with these Narratives. Everyone else is just enjoying great talent. It’s a Global Brand
“We need more guys like Rose” we also need less guys like Gil Arenas, that dude constantly underrates non Americans and downplays anything significant they do, but he’s in denial.
Kobe Bryant and Steve Kerr had said over 5 years ago that AAU is to blame for our development program and our kids not becoming elite at playing the game here in the states! And here we are, Jalen Rose probably saw it then too! ❤
Very little defense and fundamentals in those AAU games
@@lucky2gunnz309Tatum Embiid Ant are some the best defender in the NBA they played AAU Jokic and Luka are the worst defenders in the NBA they’re from Europe and dpoy gobert had to have the Kat guard his man because he was getting abused yall keep tryna push that false narrative…
@@daa_97those are just 3 out of thousands of AAU players…
@@liulbitew14 exactly name several more 😂
@@liulbitew14 ok what about 8 of the 10 all defensive team they don’t count do they?
The Media is the Problem, not the players.
How so?
Thank you 1000% agree media heads like Rob Parker, Chris, Bussard and Jaylen Rose along with Steven a Smith they’re the ones that are the problems could care less if someone’s international player or not
Congrats, dumbest comment I've read today
@@icarusc44 They do not use their voices and platforms to help market the league right away. It is such a disgrace that LeBron James has been talked about every day and he is not in the race. All the sports shows are too scared to cover players and teams that deserve it because their numbers will take a hit. Every topic they discuss is based solely on analytics and minute by minute numbers. They all are trying to cling to the way the NBA was. Not what it is now. They do not help market anything the right way. Some have a problem that they actually have to help market. They think they are just a news show. Greeny who I love said it and it made me so mad and highlights exactly why the media is the problem. He said Its not up to the media to come up with stories they just react to stories. That would be true if the sports shows were actual news telecasts. They are not. They are opinion based debate shows. Its entirely their responsibility to help market the NBA as a whole not just LeBron and the Legacy teams.
@@bryanmahoney3434 your frustration is misplaced. The media is a business first. They have an obligation to follow the numbers, the views, and the clicks. Otherwise, john and jane doe behind the scenes will be see an unemployment line. The numbers are consistently down when they try to talk or promote things that are not LeBron, Cowboys, Lakers, Brady, etc. Even before LeBron, the numbers for teams like the Spurs or the Pistons, who played team basketball, were very low. That's not the media's fault...that's the fans fault. Hell, even in the illegal streams of the games, certain teams and players draw far more numbers than everyone else. Once again, that's the fans. That's who your frustration should be directed at.
Just 8 months ago, noah lyles sparked up controversy saying of how NBA players call themselves best in the world even though they play in the US. Multiple NBA players and sports pundits came into the defense saying that the NBA is the best in the world, but now that there are international players that are proven to be world class players playing in the NBA, which makes the best league in the world, now Americans are crying about it.
Whose crying about it? If you had not heard story starved broadcasters bringing it up, you would not even have thought that anyone was crying.
Euroleague best player Mike James is an American that couldn’t see the court in the NBA…
@@daa_97and Americans can't hold a candle with this team..
PG-Luka
SG-SGA
SF-Giannis
PF-Wemby
C- Joker
6th- Murry
7th-Embidd
@@daa_97kemba Walker averages 8 points in the euro league, it’s a thing of adapting and what style of basketball can you play but why do I expect an American to understand anything about basketball
@@kirkcupido9730 embiid Murray and SGA grew up playing basketball in America idk y yall always include them I use to go watch sga and his cousins games down in Tennessee 😂
Whatever the reasons, NBA is a bad product. A glorified 3 pt. shooting contest. Boredom is killing the league.
Yeah I agree, its awful
Actually, playoffs are pretty good because of defense. Which makes me think, why don't we have teams playing defense during regular season.
It's the lack of stories and the media unable to sell the game for me. We have 4 teams in conference finals with no narratives, and players not even selling the game. They wanna be friends. I used to remember teams players and coaches beef with each other publicly and that sold the games especially in the 80's-90's
@@crigonalgaming1258forget narratives I just want to see consistent good basketball games which I haven’t seen for a while in the nba
@@davidcovington1046 And let's all try to forget that grease fire of an All-Star Game. I think I still have PTSD.
Man damn I swear these 2 are the only people who give a damn about this subject 😂😂 I can almost guarantee the vast majority doesn’t give a damn about them being foreign I really wish they’d stop this topic
Yes when you keep addressing it subconsciously it becomes a problem. The average spectator doesn’t care as long as they’re entertained I mean damn
You don't no what you are talking about this convo for years are being discussed in barbershops
You should see the other media, they been hating on international players
Seancrockett obviously u haven't been watching how other networks, other podcasts, & retired NBA players have been hatin on international players. At least The Odd Couple are exposing these hatin fools ✊🏽
@@lollol-zo9xy I watch many other networks and have nba discourse online and amongst friends. I promise you from my experience the only ppl who give a damn about the international takeover are these two and gilbert arenas
It's a good thing for the game. If you want the game to grow internationally, having star players from all over the world brings in new fans from their native countries and inspires the next generation to want to make the league.
Why is Tatum in the thumbnail??
Kobe warned ⚠️ about this long time again...
American Players need to play better, plain and simple
You mean like anthony Edward's jayson tatum ja morant devin booker tyrese Haliburton zion williamson jaylen Brunson jalen brown bam adebyo chet holmgren paolo banchero
@@sean24833 they are good but not on that elite level apart from maybe tatum and edwards in the future.
@@deanwolf6811Ant was the best player in the series with the mvp he is elite
They are that's why they are dominating playoffs
@@daa_97 He wasn't the best at all. Had a 21.3 GameScore compared to Jokic at 26.2. But for his age, he was very good as the second best player by far on the court. He has potential.
Yes, it is a problem that the "best" players are international players.
Many leagues overseas limit the number of American players each team can have. I'm not suggesting that the NBA go to that extreme. But, international players as the "faces" of the league is not good for business.
They do in Euro soccer leagues so it’s not a bad idea
I'd argue they should limit it based on whether they went to American college or not. I would say each team can only have 2 players who didn't play NCAA basketball. So Pascal Siakim and Joel Embiid would be allowed since they played college ball even though they are international.
In the last 10 championships 8 have been lead by Americans only 2 lead by European players their about accolades not winning championships we saw the American Anthony Edwards be the best player in the nuggets series and I haven’t seen giannis make a deep run in 4 years the media is hyping the euros when the play hasn’t warranted it on top of the Americans that go to the euroleague and be the best player I haven’t heard anyone mention how Mike James went over there after not getting on the court in the nba and become the best player are Americans not taking over Europe?
Facts
lol those championships were by 2 players , lebron and Steph. So besides lebron and Steph.
Edwards was good in that series but he clearly wasn’t the best. That was Jokic. Edwards had other players stepping up
NBA is going to be like Premier league, La Liga and Italian Serie A. You wanted basketball to be global sport? Guess what whole world is playing it, and American dominance is going to end like it ended for English players in Premier league.
Basketball will never be like football. Respectfully, it’s not even close
That will never happen
AAU has killed American basketball. What's going on now is that the elite foreign players outshine the American players. Our players are largely soft. Terms like 'load management ' don't exist in the foreign leagues. The foreign players are used to being coached and coached hard, while the American player can get a coach fired. The NBA game has became a two man game, with the other 3 players standing around. The 60s through 80s NBA was constant movement. Both the NBA, and the US National Basketball Federation have to put pressure on AAU, HS, and college basketball to change the way that they do things
Why? The NBA is now a full blown business. The Superstars who are coming into the league now can be billionaires when they retire. Entertainment and high profits is what the league is and the US players understands this more than the rest of the world. Competition is not even a top 3 priority anymore. It's about making money.
In the 80's and 90's, players killed themselves to be better than the next man and what did that get them? Most of those players now are feeling the physical effects of what they put their bodies through without the financial resources to continue a luxury lifestyle. Superstars today play less games, make over 75 million a year from players salaries and endorsements, don't take the game as personal, and have a better understanding that it's all about the bread. Even the average good player can make 25 million a year while making additional millions creating content for a podcast.
It's all about branding for everyone. The players are just better at it today. Not everyone can be LeBron or Steph who seem to have it all
Chris and Rob are the only ppl i see talking about this so often lol. and I feel like it’s more so Chris that cares than Rob tbh.
This will be our last gold medal at the Olympics for many summers.... Heck, even this year's Olympics is not a lock for USA
The NBA marketing is all over the place. Its a mess. The NBA was smart in the 90s and showcased young talent more. When Jordan retired the 1st time, you saw a lot of Orlando Magic,Charlotte Hornets, Denver Nuggets, Miami Heat younger teams being promoted. Now you have all these young teams thriving and they cant get on National Television. Id rather see Pelicans, Orlando,
OKC , Minnesota etc than Lakers vs Celtics or Warriors vs Suns.
Bingo.
The NBA has a marketing problem. In the 90's, they highlighted all the teams regardless of size of the markets they played in.
The biggest mistake the NBA has made over the last 10 years is keeping LeBron in the spotlight too long. Sports media is dominated by LeBron and the true NBA fans and the casual ones are tired of it. Now that LeBron is no longer making deep Playoff runs, the media doesn't have anything to talk about.
It’s marketing but it’s more than just how the teams are being ignored… it’s the poor ESPN presentation of the sport. The Jordan era was NBC, it was presented perfectly. The Bird/Magic era was presented by CBS and was presented perfectly after they came off of tape delay. Those Orlando Magic, Charlotte Hornet etc games that were on after Jordan retired the first time… were on a first rate network with first rate presentation. So that you saw Shaq and LJ and Alonzo Mourning the way that you were supposed to see and hear them. ESPN is the problem.
That USA vs. Spain game was possibly the best basketball game ever!!!
Only thing Embiid is taking over, is someone’s bed to recover from an injury… 😂 Sixers are stupid for not letting Maxxi lead that team.
Kobe, did say American need to get back to the fundamentals
Giannis has 1 Joker has 1. Yall need to slow down of this narrative of the Euros are taking over the NBA. MVP's or 1st team doesn't equate to "taking over" the NBA. Why can't we just enjoy the diversity???
Probably because the top 5 players in the nba are international. The best young players are international. The future is international. The present is international.
I’m not so sure if AD and Embiid should be playing in the Olympics, those guys can’t get through a week without injuries. Without bigs I don’t see how the USA team can win Gold.
Fam I used to watch sga play hs in Tennessee why yall always count him and Embiid when the grew up playing in the US?
why they keep talking like there an issue. its sports, if americans arent playing as well they need to train harder thats it
Man…I’ve been tired of media 🤡 and their “best player in the world” BS. How is that even measured? The Olympics?
I think it’s a good thing more international players mean more views instead of just the USA market you get viewers world
Wide could separate them
Yes international players have gotten a lot better and they have some of the best big men in the game but we are still the best basketball country by a mile. Most of these other countries produce 1or 2 great players every so often while we have tons all the time like: Anthony Edwards, Jason Tatum, Karl Anthony Towns, Jalen Brown, Donovan Mitchell, Devon Booker, De'Aaron Fox, Ja Morant, Zion, Brandon Ingram, Anthony Davis, Kyrie Irving, Chet Holmgren, Trae Young, Tyrese Halliburton, Tyrese Maxey, Dejounte Murray, Paolo Banchero, Jalen Green, etc., etc.
That is by choice. International players have to make a much larger sacrifice in their own lives to play and make it in the NBA. When you watch the Olympics or FIBA World Championships there are dozens of players that can easily play in the NBA if they wanted to. Players nobody has ever heard of stateside. It all depends on if their personal lives afforda them being away from home 6 months out of the year. The level of difficulty in that decision alone varies.
Is Kyrie Irving Australian, American or both?
@zvbx He might have australian citizenship but he's American. He went to high school & college in the US and his parents are both Americans and who went to Boston University.
It's the best thing that ever happened to the NBA.
Players with a different style.
Players with refined skills.
Players who add variety to the game.
Players who add a lot of talent to the league.
They are boring. That’s the problem. Jokic doesn’t care about basketball, Luka’s quiet off the court, SGA thing is fashion.
None of the international players do pro-ams, park runs like KD, or the drew league. They have boring personalities.
Ja sure isn’t boring off the court!
@@AjayiAgbebakuJr Maybe he'll figure out a way to make crime actually pay.😆
Yeah they should be more like that thug ja
Imagine saying they don’t care, yet they work on their health, body, fundamentals, and LEAD their teams every year whereas American players focus on tweets, random highlights dunks, being fancy and never working on their game.
No, it’s really cool
No I don’t no think it’s a issue
When it comes to an international player, he just goes home when his performance is terrible so no media touches how unimpressive he is which is meaningless for him to stay in the foreign soil. On the other hand, there have been many mediocre American players that the media always care about and are concerned about how they should move and do for the better. Americans and the media should ignore foreign players if they find them disturbing.
Wemrbeyama, will prob be the next face of the league, we love him in Europe
6 of the top 10, but also the top 5 are all international, ROTY is international, DPOY is international, MVP is and will be international for foreseeable future, best teams lead by international, we can go on.
Lopsdied league is more of a problem. Casual fans are checking out. Bring defense back...even these international players lack defense. Top young guys that play defense sometimes = bad product
Next season the media gonna compare Ja to Mj instead of westbrook 😂
I’d have to see the international numbers. I know viewership in the US is starting to lag but is this offset by growth internationally? Like WWE is way less popular in the US than it used to be but it’s never been bigger atm due to now being a Global brand which took years and years of targeting those new demographics.
4:44 he should have just said they sent Kobe cuz that was really the only difference
It's not a problem for the NBA and it isn't a problem for most American players either.
It seems to only be a problem for a very small minority who have this mindset that they and those like them typically along the grouping of race should have priority when it comes to achieving success in the NBA and reaping all he rewards that come with it.
Taking over with 2 total rings out of all the best international players? Naw 😂
Circus Shot Entertainment is the future of Basketball! Basketball 2.🏀
I think the media is hyping up the set just a tad bit. Yes the international stars are currently at the top but can they really be the face of the league probably not. The most is probably the face of nba international expansion and recruitment.
They also dont have a 3 in the key rule
The expand globally was the plan and it worked. A very lucrative 11 year tv deal will be signed soon and anyone associated with the NBA will benefit.
I still enjoy the league and don’t whine about the changes. The NBA does not care if I do because they are as rich as they have ever been.
I can’t help but wonder if Rob might’ve just said the quiet part out loud when he said black players instead of American players.
Luka and SGA bout to dominate the NBA for the next decade!!!!!
Europe never had NBA stars on this level. Soccer players from Europe are best in the world every other year, but European players dominating the NBA? That is something new. And it will make bunch of kids start playing Basketball. Region where Luka and Joker come from is filled with tall people. If up until now, coaches were picking from hundreds of 10 year olds, now they are choosing from thousands.
The international players are taught how to play basketball, and the Americans just simply can't play fundamental basketball.
Any team that has 2 legit NBA stars, good role players, and good tactical team play can beat the USA team in a one off game. Esp playing international rules. It happens in the NBA every week, why shouldn't it happen at the Olympics?
there are over 400 roster spots. the league has always had euro players. yes it so happens that we got 10 amazing euro players. but thats not a takeover. they going on a run true. but they taking the best talent from every country. it's not 1 country that's better. plus those euro teams played consistently together rather then throwing together an Allstars roster. only these guys want to stoke these flames.
Make the NBA All Star Game USA va The World and let’s see what happens.
I don’t think so, but we’ll have to see. Doubt most fans really care
Basketball is a global sport now. The NBA will increasingly have international players from many different nations. That will continue to grow the sport.
Labeling All of them “ Top Players “ when two of them are not adequate defenders…!! 🤷♂️
I wish people would relax about the age stuff. Magic Johnson won 2 titles and a FMVP before his 23rd birthday. Lets not act like we have seen anybody excel at this age before
It shouldn’t be the NBA wants the best players to play in the league if some of those players are from other countries so be it. Besides that team USA needs size and bulk.
Nah when your league get taken over by foreigners the popularity will die down like baseball like hockey
It not having immigrants players my problem is the rule changes to fit immigrants players the game has gotten so soft that I don't even watch the NBA I remember when that evening game with bill Walton was feeling talky and he broke the NBA down with rules changes and the style of play.
Why are there so many older players on Team USA's basketball roster, if the current generation of American players are supposedly so much better?
I disagree, Jokic isn’t the best player in the NBA.
Stop asking Rob about basketball topics. He doesn’t watch games. 😳
What the hell is Rob always doing looking down. I'd be pissed if I was brou it's like having a conversation with a person who's dicking around on their phone the whole time not paying attention.
The NBA should be the home for the absolute best in the world at playing basketball. How can anyone think it's bad. People will point to the marketability of international players. Well the National Media is behind the times point blank. Greeny and Doug Gottlieb made it clear in their ridiculous stances that it's not up to them to come up with the news. That was such utter crap when I heard that. The NBA has transitioned out of being personality and superstar centric. They fail to realize that their voices carry weight it's up to the media now to help these international players get over to a broad audience. You do that on focusing on the games and talking about teams and players that deserve it. Even if it means taking a step back. It's to them take 2 steps forward. The NBA is a world league now and will not change back. All the big time personalities that cover the game it's up to them to help market it because right now it's an outdated disgrace to the entirety of the league the way some teams and players are treated by the media
The EPL is the biggest soccer league in the world and basically all it's stars are foreign. Don't see where the big issue is here.
@@adtastic1533 The big issue is the way the National Media is covering the NBA as a whole. All the sports shows want to cling onto the way the NBA was in the past, not adapt to what it is now. Which means its up to all the big personalities to market the players and teams that cant market themselves. Instead they are trying force narratives. Its already happening with Anthony Edwards and its not his fault but tells you exactly where the problem lies. They think that the NBA needs a clear cut American face of the league for it to be relevant. They know that LeBron, Steph and KD are far away from winning another chip and they are all older now. So they are forcing narratives about Anthony Edwards to perch him up into that spot. Always failing to realize that marketing strategy does nothing but kill the rest of the league. Its outdated. There should be several faces of the NBA. Not just 1 above the rest.
Not really but I think AAU need to figure out a better system so these kids aren't burnt out at 23 years old
Who are these players burnt out at 23 it’s a reason Euro players get drafted go to training camp can’t hang them try again around 25 then found out they can’t hang those cone drills rarely translate to actual game play. High level AAU produces the best players in the NBA this is a fact euro is all about offense the best American players are great two way players
People who say it’s not a problem are in denial. The playing style makes them less marketable in the United States.
Michael Jordan was so popular because he was a superhuman athlete with incredible dunks, most international players aren’t built like that.
You don't need to be athletic to be legendary Tim duncan already proved it if wasn't for the Ray Allen shot he would have 6 chips just like Jordan.
@@djkido316 to be legendary, you don't need to be Athletic. To be the greatest of all time, you need to be the most imaginative player combined with athleticism and every award known to man, offensively and defensively + team awards. None other than one have ever had it all.
„Can’t pronounce players name, done like team“ is peak USA. Also that slip of the tongue „there are also good black … ahh American players!“ we know that you want this sport for this specific demographic
If a sport is less popular because the player has last name difficult to pronounce just means someone in the other end is just dumb
U can't polish a turd nor pick one up by the clean end.
You're missing the point over and over again.
Young US players are IG or Twitter "stars" from young age and just driven by social media and potential money.
You guys didn't mention Zion :)
Non US young players work on fundamentals, not hype. Change that one and you'll be back very soon
This was David stern dream. He rather have Larry bird than Michael Jordan. Make way more money worldwide vs America
FIBA doesn’t mean anything. That team didn’t have one All-NBA player at the time.
They Want to Go International remember? You get what you ask for
It's good for the game if USA losses it gets more countries involved more people will tune in
Basketball is only really a major sport in a few small European countries like Greece, Serbia or Lithuania. If it ever takes off at all in countries like the UK, France, or Brazil, who have large black populations, it could be goodnight USA.
Basketball is a major sport in Brazil… it’s just that it will never come close to overtaking soccer. The brothas in Brazil eat, sleep and drink soccer just like the brothas in the US do the same for basketball.
we are still waiting for US football players to dominate the world of football with their superior talents LOL
Conversations like these show the state of thought in the US. Not being able to pronounce foreign names as a reason for a decline in popularity of any North American sport is an indictment of the society you have. Crazy.
It's not a problem for the NBA. It's a problem for the US national basketball team.
This was always the problem with Americans having so little respect for the rest of the world. Believing that the U.S.-born players are the best in the world and that nobody anywhere else in the world can compete was always the delusion of “American exceptionalism.”
Baseball thought having 60 percent foreigners was a good thing also.
Problem is eventually the seats will be empty. Tv revenue will carry it. Baseball has been relegated to niche status.
Or maybe the game has become antiquated and now they are trying to address how long the game takes.
@@icarusc44It’s not antiquated… when your biggest star needs an interpreter.. your sport has a problem.
@@Dbo_Sports it’s antiquated when they have to change the rules because it’s too long and too analytics driven 🙄
This is such a tired argument. USA has Ant, Tatum, JB, Kyrie Haliburton, Brunson, Ja, and Zion. The League will be fine.
Jokic the great European hope just got eliminated SMH. USA will always produce superstar talent.
International? Shay and Tatum?? I thought those brothas was from Watts??
Again, why is this a problem? I fail to understand why international players out number U.S. born players at the top. Basketball is a global game. This is great for the game.
Tatum is international?
These guys need to start realising that, as a whole, the NBA is more popularly abroad than in the US. Having international players helps them exploit these markets.
Not at all. Nobody cares about this sport outside the US. That pretty much goes for all US sports tbh
@@adonisblake4905 That's why their best players are coming here. Not the other way around.
@@greggibson33 exactly, because nobody cares about the sport where they come from
@@greggibson33 Europe its all about football, tennis, rugby. Nobody watches or cares for NBA or NFL. I'm European and watch it but nobody who I work with watches either.
@@adonisblake4905False the NBA has numerous big global markets look it up
AAU killed American basketball the teams don’t coach basic fundamentals
American Players need to stop doing threes all the time as the game is a glorified three point game. It’s boring to watch. They need to do other things like the international players as the game isn’t just threes!
These dudes fishing for topics. They don't know what to talk about when NFL is not playing games. 5 of the 15 players on the all NBA teams are international players.
Jalen Rose is unemployed looking for a hot take. This is like saying Rugby players gone takeover NFL, complete nonsense.
They can't stay healthy for one
Media hilarious kryie is better than all those dudes it's all politics
Take the European players out and what have you got
In the last 10 championships 8 have been lead by Americans only 2 lead by European players their about accolades not winning championships we saw the American Anthony Edwards be the best player in the nuggets series and I haven’t seen giannis make a deep run in 4 years the media is hyping the euros when the play hasn’t warranted it
Who cares let’s enjoy basketball
He talking about black players this what happens when u tricking and care more about money than the sport
American players, men and women, have won the Olympic Gold Medal the following years:
2008
2012
2016
2020
And, they'll win it again to make you two haters mad
That’s not really the point why are smaller countries producing the crème of the crop even though USA produces the most NBA players but none are top 5
@isaiahh4108 And until this so call cream of the crop you talking win a Gold Medal for their COUNTRY I don't want to hear a mofo thang about them taking over! Or being the top!
A continuous hate for American players. Tell me, how many of those foreign players have won more than one championship in the last 6 years? 2. How many Americam have won? Countless. This is an obsession to dethron Americam players. This nonstop bitching. America has won the last 6 Olympic gold medals, men and women in basketball. T
You two continuously look for ways to say American players are bad. Stop it. Stop hating.
What’s crazy is that nobody even cares about this sport outside America. Imagine if they gave a damn
Please refrain from smoking meth before commenting.
@@deepvoicedude4749 Just a fact sir, I’m sorry that it doesn’t care about your feelings
@@adonisblake4905 People like you are why the first amendment was a mistake.
NBA is a dying sport in America, they need European players to market $$$
LeBalco ruined the NBA